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Interesting read Kash. Thanks.
I'm not sure how much stock I put into it since it's just some guy writing it. And, I'm not really on the "get rid of Mangini immediately" bandwagon.
But I just have to think that if things continue getting worse and the media and fans continue to grow increasingly hostile, I won't be surprised to see Lerner make a move after one year. Will it be something I support? I don't know, I'll have to see where we're at at that time. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised to see it.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Wow!!!! Tell us how you really feel.  I think we should have stuck with RAC, but I am all for leting Mangini do his thing----since that seems to be the boat we are in. Start DA next week and put some points on the board and see if the defense plays a little better with an offense that does its part in winning the game.
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I agree. No one with any ethics or any ambition would write an article like that. It is the biggest career killer someone can have. Much bigger than being wrong.
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LOL!!
I had to click on the link to make sure it was legit! Kind of shocked me at first!
Not very professional? No doubt.
True: Seemingly, pretty much.
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Well at least he didn't sugar coat it.
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.... there isn't a RESPECTED writer in the entire sports world who calls a head coach a "jackass" and an "ass" in the same story.
Could not agree more.
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That struck me as so pathetic that I replied to him as follows:
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Dear Mr. Doyel,
I've seen more professional columns written on bar-napkins after $1 pitcher night at the local D-level strip-bar. While nobody would tell you Mangini is a likable guy, the language you used in describing the "jackass" the "ass" and the "morons" in the front office reeks of a complete lack of professionalism.
Whatever you may call yourself or be paid to do, a "professional columnist" is the one thing you are not.
This kind of approach didn't work for a stiff named Roger Brown, and it won't work for you, either.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Mangini doesn't suspect a damn thing, of course. I asked him straight out: Did the players quit on you?
And he said: "No. No. And if at any point I do identify anything like that, they won't be playing in the weeks to come."
This is one quote that I have to think everyone agrees with.
Love Mangini or hate him, there is absolutely no possible excuse for players to quit on a coach. They can loathe him, they can hope that he gets fired, but if any of them intentionally does something to help us lose with the hopes of Mangini getting fired, I'd want that guy shipped out fast.
I mean, hell, they don't have to intentionally do it. They seem to be doing it just fine when they're trying their hardest.
But I could never condone quitting on the coach. Never.
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Well I seriously don't know what people expect out of Mangini in his 1st year. This team was crap when he got here, and not much has changed so far. With zero playmakers, how are we supposed to win?
To be calling for his head after 3 games is just ridiculous.
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For me, it's not that I expect him to win, I do expect him to compete. I do expect touchdown(s) to be scored. I do expect him to look like improvements are being made. Instead, we are the laughing stock of the NFL because games are over after the 1st quarter. How's it going to feel when we beat the Lions 19 game losing streak?
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That struck me as so pathetic that I replied to him as follows:
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Dear Mr. Doyel,
I've seen more professional columns written on bar-napkins after $1 pitcher night at the local D-level strip-bar. While nobody would tell you Mangini is a likable guy, the language you used in describing the "jackass" the "ass" and the "morons" in the front office reeks of a complete lack of professionalism.
Whatever you may call yourself or be paid to do, a "professional columnist" is the one thing you are not.
This kind of approach didn't work for a stiff named Roger Brown, and it won't work for you, either.
Good for you. While the article hit home a little with the performances we have had the last 2 games, I totally agree that this "writer" was out of line.
Mangini is not the problem right now, but I really would like to know what he saw from Quinn that made him believe starting BQ gave us the best chance of winning. At this point, BQ might be the WORST QB in the league.
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I found that article humorous,thx for posting it.
Of coarse he's wrong about the team quitting.Quitting implies that they started playing and then gave up.I've not seen any evidence that even remotely suggests this team ever started.
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While the writer is certainly crossing the line of professionalism in this piece, are we simply going to dismiss that the writer might be correct is his assertions because of his presentation? Is there a chance that Mangini is at the very least losing the team?
In the chat during the game today, Danielle offered up that Hank feels like he's in high school again. This is certainly a red flag as one would have to conclude if Hank is feeling this disrespected he isn't the only player feeling this way.
I have no inside knowledge, I don't get to follow the local talk shows or hear the players radio shows, I'm just a guy in a state far away who loves the Browns; the players and the play I've seen on the field this year, well "team" isn't what's coming to mind.
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Question: what should Mangini have done differently today?
Wow, you just don't get it...  Your wife could cheat right in front of you and you wouldn't get it, congrats....I wish you could give me some of this naivety
"What should he have done differently?" Jeeeezus 
...and btw: I applaud the writer of that article for having some ONIONS....it's appropriate in CONTENT AND STYLE...Cartman really doesn't deserve any better
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Name a couple, django - even just one or two.
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For me, it's not that I expect him to win, I do expect him to compete. I do expect touchdown(s) to be scored. I do expect him to look like improvements are being made. Instead, we are the laughing stock of the NFL because games are over after the 1st quarter. How's it going to feel when we beat the Lions 19 game losing streak?
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Name a couple, django - even just one or two.
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Read my last freaking 250 posts or so....he brought in total scrubs both in FA and draft....half the roster is ALL his (and as a hint: not the good half)....we were below average to bad last season with those same guys, we're pathetic now...we've actually managed to downgrade our roster and have become the new Lions/Chiefs/Raiders....all those losers have looked WAY better than us at least in 1 (!!) game
Stupid *** Lerner gave this bigoted lunatic total control of this team AND organization....
who can't see that the players ARE GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS, doesn't know football...I'm not even willing to discuss at that level to be honest...who can't see this, is just too stupid, sorry for teh rudeness but that's what I really think....RAC was clueless but the guys played for him...and therefore the results weren't as pathetic
I already feel like it's week 17 and can't wait the season to be over with...
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.he brought in total scrubs both in FA and draft....half the roster is ALL his (and as a hint: not the good half)
WHOA WHOA WHOA...
We have a good half to this roster?
you had a good run Hank.
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Curious as to how mangini is bigoted? You will explain that statement, right?
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Read my last freaking 250 posts or so....
he was asking you what Mangini could have done differently TODAY.
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You there django? How is mangini bigoted? You said it, please explain.
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Read my last freaking 250 posts or so....
he was asking you what Mangini could have done differently TODAY.
and I replied with what LEAD to the "play" TODAY...
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Your wife could cheat right in front of you and you wouldn't get it, congrats....
Was this necessary? Seriously man grow up
Also I have to laugh at how people are treating Mangini like he's the devil trying to drive Cleveland into hell. Look at guys like Tom Coughlin. He's probabally the biggest a-hole coach in the NFL but he led his team to a superbowl but it took time! This franchise is a joke with out contiunity. Get this team a good RT and a solid veteran QB and maybe just maybe the offense will look like an NFL offense.
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I think Django is *insert insult here*. If you want to know WHY I think that, you're obviously too stupid to understand my answer anyway.
That's a fun game to play isn't it? No reason or accountability...just throwing out names and accusations.
Now, back to grown up talk. Care to answer the question?
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I agree. Does that mean Mangini is doing everything right? No, I don't think so. But I just laugh at people who are calling for his head after 3 games. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm sorry, but last I check and it was this pathetic coaching/GM staff that basically tore apart our offense. Give me back DA as the starter, K2 at Tight End, JJ in the slot (a 1 legged JJ is better than the ish we have play WR right now), and put Tucker back out there instead of putting him on IR. I would like to know the truth, did Tucker really need to be put on IR, or was this EM's easy way out of getting his roster to his liking?
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Whatever happened to Roger Brown? Does anyone know any unnamed sources who know where he is?
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Seriously man...go read my last 100 posts...they weren't even 1 liners like most posts on here....I'm just too freaking tired of repeating the same ... every 2nd day to homers who obviously just don't get it
this pathetic ... is so obvious....I can't but laugh at guys who seriously ask "what I would have done differently...TODAY" rofl....what I would have done differently woudl simply not have led to "TODAY"...TODAY was just the result I predicted since March and more vehemently after the draft....I have been thrown a lot of garbage my way since then...now I serve you guys that same garbage on a silver platter and dare you to eat ...there's no other way to make you REALIZE what's going on with his org
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Lord I can't believe I'm even partially coming to Django's defense... goes against pretty much everything I believe in... but... In case you haven't noticed, today looked like the last 2 Sundays.. maybe Mangini couldn't have done anything different TODAY, though I think the QB sneak on first down of what started out as our one decent drive of the first half might not have been the best move.... the problem isn't what could he have done TODAY, the problem is what could he have done from January to September that laid the groundwork for today... And for those that don't know, this the first definition of "bigot" in Webster... tell me it doesn't describe Mangini... Quote:
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
Calling him a bigot is far different than calling him a racist.. which is where most of you were going with it.
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Whatever happened to Roger Brown? Does anyone know any unnamed sources who know where he is?
Word is.... he made a brief shift to working in TV on Cleveland's Channel 19.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I swear I'm not sure why everybody is so sold on Ryan yet... maybe he is a great DC, maybe he would be a fine HC.. but I'm not sure why some seem so freakin' sure of it. I've never seen a defense that can make a play on 1st down, make a play on 2nd down, then on 3rd and 8... watch a TE or WR run 10 yards downfield and turn around wide open.. every damn time.
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go ahead and get rid of Kokinis while we are at it for letting Mangini get rid of so many of our players..
just venting right now.. lol.
I just don't understand why Cleveland can't be at the top of the division for ONCE!!??
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I swear I'm not sure why everybody is so sold on Ryan yet...
Because his last name is "Ryan" and his brother is currently experiencing some success with a rookie QB on the last team that Mangini had.... so it's gotta work here. 
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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For me, it's not that I expect him to win, I do expect him to compete. I do expect touchdown(s) to be scored. I do expect him to look like improvements are being made. Instead, we are the laughing stock of the NFL because games are over after the 1st quarter. How's it going to feel when we beat the Lions 19 game losing streak?
Once again. You can't compete if you don't have any playmakers.
I seem to recall Mangini getting rid of our playmakers.
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web page This is messed up ... just finished reading Grossi's posting on the Plain dealers website..they are asking DA about being inserted into the game... Quote:
Despite the score, Anderson said he was surprised he was given the ball. Why? For one thing, he said he wasn't told until the players left for the field following intermission.
He didn't announce the change to the whole team? They didn't know DA was entering the game until the first offensive series, or they saw DA warming up?
Wow, this is surprising to me as I feel it would distract the team as the news spread along the sideline.
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Wake me up when the season is over..sundays are now dedicated to yard work and anything else that needs to get fixed around the house..football saturdays this season!!
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Your wife could cheat right in front of you and you wouldn't get it, congrats....I wish you could give me some of this naivety
That got a laugh out of me. Nice work.
I guess I just wanted to know what Mangini should have done today that he didn't do that warrants him being fired.
It's tough to really read you with any kind of credibility, Django, because you've been on this Mangini hate orgy since the day he was hired. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you just come across as so bitter about something, and I'm not sure you've ever clarified why.
So, when you come back to pat yourself on the back and come across as so gleeful that our Browns suck, it's tough to really take you too seriously.
Yeah, we get it. You hate Mangini. Now, add something substantive to the conversation.
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Actually, Django's stuff has been quite substantive when he outlines his reasons for not liking Mangini as a coach, his personnel moves, and the draft. And all of it is coming to fruition.
I'm not saying this to stand up for Django ... I'm sure he can do that himself. But he has stated numerous times why he's felt this regime was going to fail from the get go, and he has been right on the money. He's basically batting 1.000.
Which sucks for all of us because it's really, really bad.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah, we get it. You hate Mangini. Now, add something substantive to the conversation.
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Ok, I will go all bottom line on you...can't get any more "substantial"
0-3 record
PF 29
PA 95
I won't even look up the yds numbers as I may catch eye cancer...trust me: they are even worse than PF-PA
Rookie impact?
FA class impact?
anyone...I mean ANYONE Mangini brought in that comes CLOSE to league average? (half the roster was signed by EM) cmon, give me one name to get some more good laughs out of this because it's not even debatable that 1 of those clowns is AVERAGE (by that I mean an equal number of better and worse starters at the same position in the league)....there's NONE
but yeah "I hate Mangini"...NOT...I hate when my beloved Browns are being run and coached by a moron with social skills of Robocop or Terminator....I could care less about Mangini, I want my Browns to be competitive and not run into the laughing stock of the NFL again FFW-style.....it took this guy little less than half a year to destroy the little good Savage and RAC build and left over here...I know, I know it's the same old bashing the previous regime crap going through your homer's minds now...but we were WAY better in ANY season under RAC with LESS talent...think about it for 1min, I mean it's not rocket science
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Why do you think the jets got rid of him? because he was doing a good job? NO!! Its because he is a sorry head coach. Now look what the Jets are doing... WINNING!! Yes the guys that say we dont have the talent to win are right, but we also dont have the coach to win either. And i'm with the guy who said he wont be watching. i dont expect them to win every game, i do however expect them to compete. they are an embaressment to the city of Cleveland, and to the Browns name and history 
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