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Finally!... a reason to think things might turn around instead of being sure they were going right down the crapper!
For all those who say "DA threw 3 INTs against the Ravens- he is going to suck", I can offer these observations:
1. he was put into the game when we were already down 20-0. By this point, the rest of the offense is already in their well-known "dejected once the other team has momentum" state. Maybe having DA come in to START a game will lead to putting some points up- so that he also...
2. ...Doesn't have to come in under *enormous* pressure to keep throwing downfield because we're already in a 20-0 hole. Anderson DOES tend to get a INT-happy when he's forced to play catch-up from way behind. But, unlike Quinn, he's capable of helping this team put points up- so maybe he won't *have* to play from behind and feel pressured to make risky throws.
(And speaking of turnovers, I love how the Quinnbots are using turnovers as a reason to NOT let DA play- as if Quinn wasn't personally responsible for 4 of them himself in the span of 2.5 games. Are you Quinnbots *sure* you want to use the *turnover argument* , of all things, to make your case?) 
3. DA threw 3 INTs against a punishing defense who is KNOWN for getting more INTs than just about anyone. Especially with a not-warmed-up QB coming in and throwing to try to come back from 3 TDs down. What's that, Quinnbots? You don't wanna hear excuses about how the Ravens defense is so great? Then why were you making all those excuses about how we practically *should* have lost to the Vikings with their vaunted defense??? And btw, weren't we LEADING at halftime in *that* game? 
4. DA in 2008 probably ain't as bad as you think you remember: After the bye week last year (when the teams take the opportunity to adjust), the Browns played 4 games before DA got benched. You know how many INTs he threw over the course of those 4 games? ONE. You know how many TDs he threw in those 4 games? SIX. You know how many times he was sacked in those 4 games? ZERO. The Browns also won 2 of those 4 games. And keep in mind that this was when BE was dropping everything thrown his way- and so was Steptoe, and there was no JJ, and Stallworth was useless, and our running game was not really any better than it is right now, and our line was no better than it is now (it was arguably even worse).
Hmmmm... 6 TDs, 1 INT, no sacks, 2 wins out of 4- and he got benched. Think the decision was based on QB play? Or do you (correctly) think it was Lerner and the fans finally pressuring RAC (and Mangini during the offseason and camp) to go with the one they all find "so cute"?
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Prp, I forgot to add that in the thought process that says Quinn should sit and decompress, that can't happen over the course of a week. He needs to actually watch a game from the sidelines and let things settle in.
A full week+ of film and rest away from the pressure of what was happening is what he needs. That doesn't stand much of a chance if he was benched in-game then named the starter three days later.
Gotta head to work. I'm sure there'll be plenty of debate left about this topic *L*
No debate, you're just spouting stuff to try to back up a pointless statement and I regard your entire paragraph quoted above and b.s. ramblings to that effect.
He could have said Quinn, he didn't. End of story.
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You got some of that accurate..first of all there are plays that some of us don't know who was at fault..but there are plays that some can actually tell where the blame falls.. a coach on ther NFL level needs a body of work to evaluate a QB properly..and Gini is no different..if this were week 10 it 'd be easier to say but after week 3 ..no..sorry ..that don't fly..Quinn is rattled and it's up to the coaches and him to figure out why.
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I think Browns fans around the world should be happy Mangini finally made a good decision. Hopefully this is a sign that he isn't a big idiot afterall.
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i can tell you why. it's because the style of game quinn played for 6 years suddenly isn't good enough to cut it in the nfl. mangini is helping him by telling him in private and through the media that he needs to keep his eyes downfield and connect on those passes (did you follow the espn link i posted in one of these threads? schefter talked to his people and they said the same. quinn doesn't keep eyes downfield like a manning or tom brady, instead tucking and scrambling at first signs of pressure). quinn is rattled because he can't do it and he's afraid of ints. he understands the ONLY reaosn he's in there is because he's supposed to throw less ints than DA so once he starts doing it, his job is done. mangini isn't threatening to pull quinn, quinn is smart enough to understand why it is he's the starting qb and he's trying to protect his job. so he won't "force" a pass but the problem is, it's "forcing" to him unless the receiver is completely open, which they won't be.
that is why quinn is rattled and that is why mangini pulled him and that is why quinn has no business starting at this time.
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I think Browns fans around the world should be happy Mangini finally made a good decision. Hopefully this is a sign that he isn't a big idiot afterall.
It's a decision. That's all it is. The results going forward will determine whether or not it was a good one.
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Regardless of who should start at QB, Mangini has mishandled the situation. Having decided on Quinn, he owed it to the organization to give him a fair amount of time before pulling the rug out from under him. I think Quinn is now badly damaged goods in the eyes of his teammates - the ones he's supposed to (eventually) lead - after just 10 quarters of football.
And that is from a guy that preferred Anderson in the "competition".
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He definitely had a choice, he could have just said the other name instead of Anderson's and it would have been in keeping with his stated purpose for yanking Quinn to start with - that he was "just trying to get a spark".
So what you are saying is that it was originally just trying to get a spark, but DA's performance in the second half is what caused Mangini to start him?
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He definitely had a choice, he could have just said the other name instead of Anderson's and it would have been in keeping with his stated purpose for yanking Quinn to start with - that he was "just trying to get a spark".
So what you are saying is that it was originally just trying to get a spark, but DA's performance in the second half is what caused Mangini to start him?
No. Now set aside whatever preconceived notions you have and read me again: I'm saying that Mangini had a choice when making this decision. I am making no commentary whatsoever, none at all, on what occurred or didn't occur in the game.
I am purely stating that Mangini's hand was not somehow coerced or forced by circumstance into naming Anderson the starter as if it was the only option. He could have indeed named Quinn the starter for this coming week and it would have been equally understandable as naming Anderson the starter.
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Sorry you had to write all of that just because I inadvertently selected the wrong smiley...  meant to use that one. Because I was joking.
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what a positive way to look at it. are you sure you've been a browns fan for long?
I gotta stay positive.. the alternative has something to do with a gun to my head 
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Not for nothin, but didn't it just seem that things got a little more upbeat when DA came in on Sunday.. I mean, we were getting a beat down. No matter what, it was going to be a tough road back from that brink.
But, while I'm sickened over the INT's, I couldn't help but notice that there was a spark with DA in that wasn't present with Quinn.
I can't tell you why, but that's what I sensed....
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Not for nothin, but didn't it just seem that things got a little more upbeat when DA came in on Sunday.. I mean, we were getting a beat down. No matter what, it was going to be a tough road back from that brink.
But, while I'm sickened over the INT's, I couldn't help but notice that there was a spark with DA in that wasn't present with Quinn.
I can't tell you why, but that's what I sensed....
I'll say this losing with DA is more "fun" to watch than losing with Quinn. DA slings the rock around with wild abandon. Anything could happen... like a lot of int's. Looking back on his ENTIRE career that has been his m.o. He threw 51 int's in college. 51!! FIFTY ONE.
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So far the Browns are off to a 0-3 start with QBs that can't do anything but throw INTs!
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Well guys.. with our right side and DA's lead feet, We may see Quinn again sooner than you think.
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But, while I'm sickened over the INT's, I couldn't help but notice that there was a spark with DA in that wasn't present with Quinn.
I can't tell you why, but that's what I sensed....
that's the change in confidence in the offense/qb that you sensed. players like edwards, thomas, steinbach, d'qwell, wright, mcdonald, pool, they all remember 07. when they saw DA back in, they felt the offense could move again and that lifted their spirits. you're not the only one that noticed it and you can bet mangini knew about it both before and after making that move.
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Which begs the question, Mangini is the HC..he's a pro, he's been in the job now for a while.. How come he didn't see that in camp and Preseason...
not really knocking him for it, cause I didn't get that feeling back then either. But I'm no HC.. I'm not supposed to see that stuff.. he's paid to.
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1. Confession time: I don't know who should be the Browns starting quarterback. I've seen enough of Derek Anderson to know that he's like riding a roller coaster without a seat belt. It will be wild and sometimes fun, but is this really the best way to handle all the ups and downs of a football season? But I also know Anderson can get hot and win a game with his arm. Why do I have a feeling that coach Eric Mangini is thinking the same thing?
2. Dumping Brady Quinn as the starter after 10 quarters really bothers me. But I also have to confess that I spent those 10 quarters looking for a reason to believe in Quinn -- seeking any spark in the 24-hour-a-day darkness that has set over the Browns' offense. Quinn seemed to be getting worse rather than better, more timid and quicker to throw the ball to the safety value receiver with each quarter.
3. The problem was the offense with Quinn looked like the offense last season with Ken Dorsey, etc. Scoring a meaningful touchdown seemed harder than climbing Pikes Peak with an elephant strapped to your back. Quinn is a better player than that. But if this pattern persists with Anderson, then the problems are even deeper than anyone dares to think.
4. I refuse to believe Quinn lacks the arm strength to be a viable NFL quarterback. That's because he showed a decent ability to throw the ball down field last year, when he also played a grand total of 10 quarters. But you couldn't prove that comment by what I've seen this season -- Brady didn't even try to throw the ball with any zip down field. Of his 74 passing attempts, 51 were for 10 or fewer yards. And 15 were behind the line of scrimmage. Defenses were stacking the line, drawing Quinn to throw long and shutting down the Browns running game in the process.
5. Some fans have asked if this is the end of Quinn's career in Cleveland. Be real. The way the quarterbacks change with the Browns, he could be starting in a few weeks. It's no secret that Mangini hates turnovers, and it's no surprise when Anderson throws an interception. This will be an uneasy romance, unless Anderson suddenly shows more discretion with some of his passes.
6. Anderson does have a knack of getting rid of the ball quickly and avoiding sacks. He does that better than Quinn. That may also have pushed Mangini to change starters.
7. When Anderson had a big season in 2007, he had more than a deep threat in Braylon Edwards. He had a tremendous possession receiver and first-down maker in Joe Jurevicius. The Browns need someone like that. Mike Furrey is a veteran who has filled that role in the past. But wasn't Brian Robiskie drafted to be this guy?
8. Will this work? I have no idea. My guess is the coaches sensed the offense was losing confidence in Quinn -- and Quinn was also questioning himself. How much does coaching have to do with that? The coaches should ask themselves that question. But they know that Anderson is more free-wheeling. He'll get out there and let the ball fly. If the coaches don't like it -- too bad. Will that be good for the team? Won't know until Sunday.
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But, while I'm sickened over the INT's, I couldn't help but notice that there was a spark with DA in that wasn't present with Quinn.
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that's the change in confidence in the offense/qb that you sensed.
I disagree. It has nothing to do with a change of confidence. That's the kind of thinking to be expected from a fan when his favorite QB enters the game.
In reality, it's the renewed sense of urgency the players feel because of the wake up call of having the starting QB benched that he sensed.
Benching the QB is a monumental move. Some of the blame falls on poor blocking at times, untimely penalties, poorly run routes as well as the QB's issues. Since you can't bench everyone who is playing lackluster you bench the QB. It's a wake up call to the entire team. At that point those left behind, (everyone but the benched QB), gain a sense of urgency that they were not playing with up to that point.
It's no different than on your regular job if everyone is putting in less than a complete effort. When everyone witnesses one of their fellow employees get his ass reamed for it, the whole crew buckles down and increases their efforts. Their sense of urgency, responsibility and duty is renewed. That's what it is. That's what happened and hopefully it will continue as a turning point.
You see it most times the backup comes in. Yeah, the defense has to make adjustments for a different QB and that helps the offense somewhat. But what really helps is the offensive players waking the hell up and playing harder. They realize that what they've done so far is help get their QB benched. They have to man-up and renew their sense of urgency and they know it.
Now that's not blaming the benching on the entire offense and ignoring the QB's own problems. Lord knows he made plenty of mistakes on his own. But everyone buckles down after a move like that because they know they share in the responsibility of it.
It has nothing to do with the players preferring one guy over the other. Like some others I expect the team as a whole to play better on both sides of the ball because of this.
Whatever Mangini and the coaches were not doing to make the players play with more effort this will change that. The players may not like Mangini, resent his dictatorship and play less than their best because of it. But now they're likely to play more physical and put in the extra effort which they haven't been doing so far.
Reality slaps them pretty hard when such a drastic move is made.
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At this point....who the hell cares....with DA, maybe we'll score a TD, maybe even win a game or two....This team blows....the draft is even more depressing as there is no one that great coming out if you are picking top 3
The sad thing is that with Botch, Romeo, etc....you gave them 2-3 years because the team, the coaching showed something....I wasn't against Mangini being hired, but I have seen absolutely nothing that has me saying let's give him another year or two (maybe that's a good thing?...lol). The players are going through the motions by the time the third quarter comes around
I know I'm over-reacting, but I honestly have not talked to a Browns fan that isn't totally, utterly at a loss a words....there is no emotion - good or bad....people are just fed up
People were leaving the Browns Backers bar in the 2nd quarter b/c it was that bad....by the end of the third quarter, it was me and my buddy. It wasn't that game specific it was the never ending cycle of disappointment, despair, apathy, and nothing (NOTHING) to look forward to.
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At this point....who the hell cares....with DA, maybe we'll score a TD, maybe even win a game or two....This team blows....
This is the kind of thing that REALLY pisses me off. If Quinn were in and managed by the stroke of God to actually score a TD he'd be praised for life for doing the impossible with such a horrible team. If DA comes in and does the same thing though (hypothetically) it's "who the hell cares". Yeah maybe we'll actually score a TD and win a few games....but it's DA so we don't give a rip. Disgusting.
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It wasn't that game specific it was the never ending cycle of disappointment, despair, apathy, and nothing (NOTHING) to look forward to.
Actually, I'm more excited today as a Browns fan than I have been in about....8 or 9 regular season games? We actually have a competent NFL QB again instead of running out the Ken Dorsey's, Bruce Gradkowski's and Brady Quinn's of the world where it wasn't a question of if we were going to lose, it was just a matter of by how much. We might actually score a TD or two and see some completions over 10 yards to a WR. That's a lot more than I had to look forward to just a short week ago.
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This is the kind of thing that REALLY pisses me off. If Quinn were in and managed by the stroke of God to actually score a TD he'd be praised for life for doing the impossible with such a horrible team. If DA comes in and does the same thing though (hypothetically) it's "who the hell cares". Yeah maybe we'll actually score a TD and win a few games....but it's DA so we don't give a rip. Disgusting.
My disgust/lack of confidence has nothing to do with DA. I hope he does well, I hope he does score a TD....My point is that it probably won't matter much in terms of wins/losses. I'm not as high on DA as you obviously are, but I guess I don't get excited about winning a game or two (for a season)....I guess that is encouraging to you....I'm kind of sick of it, no matter who the QB is.....
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Why not give the Team a chance? I am disgusted too, and not as into football as normal...........but hey so what? I WILL be fired up if DA scores a TD.
I was wanting to see Quinn.............and we've done that. While he may not end up being as bad as he looked............well DA can't be worse.
Ever think Mangini took so long to chose b/c they both suck? And I did think the team was more fired up with DA in there.
I'm still hopeful. I might be stupid, but I'm not apathetic.
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The sky is not falling thread, where is that?
This bad and a healthy team, mostly healthy.
It's time to mix it up on offense and score some points, maybe put Rucker in there and see what he can do.
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Rucker as in Martin Rucker .....the guy that was cut last week?
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i also do think mangini played quinn and had a bit of the "see, this is what you've been asking for, cleveland" attitude. now we can put DA in and know that, regardless of what DA does, it can't be worse than what we saw in the first 2.5 games of inept qb play by quinn.
If this was true then he would have named DA the starter on Monday, there would have been no point in waiting until today. Oh, that was part of his plan also, sorry my bad 
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i also do think mangini played quinn and had a bit of the "see, this is what you've been asking for, cleveland" attitude
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While I believe DA should have been the guy from day 1, this was just one big mess. I don't agree w/ how Mangini managed it and now we jump on the DA train once again.
Between the two, I think DA is far superior to Quinn and for that reason he should start and should have started from the beginning.
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I never thought DA should have been benched LAST year.
IMO, he is at least a capable QB, and at best he is top 5-10 in the league.
We need to stick with him and build this team over the next few years. Draft OL, LB, S, CB, RB. Aquire some solid role-playing jets, I mean vets, if we need too.
Stick with DA and start building a solid foundation. And if we still need a QB 2-3 years from now, get one once everything else is coming together.
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I am purely stating that Mangini's hand was not somehow coerced or forced by circumstance into naming Anderson the starter as if it was the only option. He could have indeed named Quinn the starter for this coming week and it would have been equally understandable as naming Anderson the starter.
Except there are legit reasons for why he had to name Anderson the starter, even if you're so blind that you can't see'em.
Now while I doubt seeing the opinion from someone else will help you open your eyes to the possibilities of what I'm saying, there's an outside chance, so here goes......
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1. Confession time: I don't know who should be the Browns starting quarterback. I've seen enough of Derek Anderson to know that he's like riding a roller coaster without a seat belt. It will be wild and sometimes fun, but is this really the best way to handle all the ups and downs of a football season? But I also know Anderson can get hot and win a game with his arm. Why do I have a feeling that coach Eric Mangini is thinking the same thing?
Sometimes a team gets to a point where they have to actually win a game, and this team is at that point.
If the players get frustrated in-game and start gettin' smoked, then the most important thing to do is to try and win one, because teams CAN and DO get to the point where they are playing so bad no amount of actual "development" can happen, even on a rebuilding team.
The Browns are at that point, and switching to Anderson is the spark required to get the players to get up for it again, REGARDLESS of whether or not Anderson actually performs. The FIRST thing required is to get the players to be positive. They are anything but with Quinn.
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2. Dumping Brady Quinn as the starter after 10 quarters really bothers me. But I also have to confess that I spent those 10 quarters looking for a reason to believe in Quinn -- seeking any spark in the 24-hour-a-day darkness that has set over the Browns' offense. Quinn seemed to be getting worse rather than better, more timid and quicker to throw the ball to the safety value receiver with each quarter.
Whether they are willing to admit it or not.........even to themselves........many around here feel the same way.
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8. Will this work? I have no idea. My guess is the coaches sensed the offense was losing confidence in Quinn -- and Quinn was also questioning himself. How much does coaching have to do with that? The coaches should ask themselves that question. But they know that Anderson is more free-wheeling. He'll get out there and let the ball fly. If the coaches don't like it -- too bad. Will that be good for the team? Won't know until Sunday.
So when you have a team that doesn't believe in a QB, and the QB doesn't even believe in the QB, you MUST MUST MUST make a change.
So what's that mean? They had no choice BUT to name Anderson the starter, because marching Quinn right back out there with his mind in the place it's at does the team, and himself, no good.
Choose to believe it or don't, but that isn't my problem. The decision was obvious to try and get the team back on track.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Yeah, hes totally desperate.
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So now that the starter is named I hope everthing goes well for DA because if it dont, we are going to hear it from the announcers to the fans that DA STILL STARES DOWN HIS RECIEVERS!!!!
Before I erased the game I dvrd I went back to watch it without emotions to see what I thought about the QBs. With DA, I saw him dump it off to the RB and TE. He had one screen for a loss and one incomplete. He had 3 ints., another one dropped, and another almost when his arm was hit. i saw him moving out of the pocket when he didnt need to but he completed the 3rd down. I saw people wide open on 2 of the ints. but DA would never know STARING DOWN HIS RECIEVERS. This is a problem DA had after a full year starting. He will make a few completions then the defense will adjust when they see him staring down the recievers. On his completions last game, he stared down every one. The defense adjusted and made 3 ints. and almost 2 more. So you better watch what you wish for because even when DA has time, and I HOPE IT GETS CORRECTED with a weeks worth of practice knowing he is the starter and preparing for the Bengals. Now we wont have that excuse while watching him this week. And the excuse that DA was trying to win the game on his own because a capable QB shouldnt think that way anyways. When he does he tries to do it with his feet, not trying to thread the needle between 3 defenders. I think DA was just trying to come in and move the chains, not trying to win the game by himself, down by 20 at the half against one of the top defenses year in and year out.
So even if DA stares down his recievers this week and looks just as bad, can we all admit that its not a DA vs Quinn debate and a debate on when Daboll should be fired!!!!!
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I think DA was just trying to come in and move the chains, not trying to win the game by himself, down by 20 at the half against one of the top defenses year in and year out.
I couldn't disagree more, and even Anderson admitted as such.
Furthermore, I'm not professing confidence in Anderson, but rather stating with the way Quinn is playing, Anderson is the logical choice to get back into the game.
He's most-likely too flawed to be a viable starter, but even with his deficiencies, he's light years beyond Quinn right now, and THAT makes him the best guy for the gig at this moment.
So...........should Daboll be fired? It's WAY too soon to say that. There isn't an OC in this league that could make heads-or-tails out of what Quinn was giving him. That isn't to say Dabol, is innocent. Until we get a QB who can actually run an offense, we can't determine if Daboll is the problem or not. The TRUTH that we all now know is that he had zero confidence in Quinn, and when that happens, of course the offensive gameplan is gonna look like crap.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Bud Shaw made a funny in an article in the PD today. Mangini's recommended self-improvement reading for his players.... "Who Moved My Cheese (That'll Cost You $1,701)"
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I always found Shaw's sense of humor to be too high-brow for a blue-collar town like Cleveland. I think he's on the wrong coast.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I always found Shaw's sense of humor to be too high-brow for a blue-collar town like Cleveland. I think he's on the wrong coast.
Yeah, we prefer writers that use knock-knock jokes here in Hicksville; irony, and other "high-brow humor", is way beyond our mental capacity, being all blue-collar working-class and such. That must be why we have so many colleges and universities, teaching hospitals, corporate headquarters, etc. It must also be why Shaw has had a 10-12 year run here.
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he understands the ONLY reaosn he's in there is because he's supposed to throw less ints than DA so once he starts doing it, his job is done Do you just sit and let your mind just do a whirlwind  ..(brainstorm if you don't get it) and even though you really don't undertstand what the heck you're talking about, actually believe it then say it??
I tell my daughter all the time..if you don't understand a subject don't reach and then say something as if it's a fact..
Guess you're in the same boat..you try to expound on things you don't know..
Quinn was in here because he supposedly has the qualities to run a offense..knows how to read a defense , can make the throws, can manage a offense...smart..has leadership qualities..accuracy was the biggest ???? mark..not because he would throw fewer picks than DA..Thats absolute nonsense..and thats what U and a handful of people are throwing up in here..nonsense..
Now get insulted and cry foul..and Lamp if you read this..U don't get me yet..cranky  ..I'm sarcastic..and don't mind speaking what I think..
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Ok,
I can see the argument for having to start DA, and it even makes sense that EM is more focused on getting this offense, and team to stop the downward spiral and start moving forward. My question becomes what set them in this direction in the first place, is it lack of talent, spending too much time running laps and not enough time practicing football, the coaching, lack of philosophy, all of the above and more?
What is left if DA doesn't succeed, I can't believe these guys who have shown that they can play are playing this bad. I think it is mostly a mental thing, but what and how do we get out of this funk?
I really hope the slide stops, and they can start playing with some fire and be competitive, even if they don't win.
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