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That's a conditional 5th in 2010 for KW2, isn't it?
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Its obvious to me we were keeping BE around for this season as our playmaker. As we can guess now the season is now about the future not 09...that's what 0-4 makes you.
The way the season is going we were not going to even sniff at Franchising BE...we would be the laughing stock of the NFL Franchising somebody who will lead the NFL again in drops and catch about 50 passes. no way. I could have seen us offering him a Tender as a RFA if we did not have a CBA done.
So here we got somebody who was partying with Stallworth when he made his error in judgment. Just got into a Bar room brawl...where arrests were made (him not on the arrest report) and rumored to be one grieving the disciplinary fines. I'm thinking that bottle of water was his... 
Draft picks...I was thinking we would be lucky to get a 2nd and 5th rounder - we'll find out soon enough.
Stuckey...7th round pick in 07 was with Mangini his entire career 07 n 08. Kid has talent and tough as well. Blue Collar WR, I'm pretty sure most will like him.
Trusnik...UDFA in 07 and stuck with Mangini in 07 n 08... Don't know what promise he has as a LB....probably some potential there. But he's a ST extraordinaire. Hey right now we got the best ST units in the NFL. Keep getting better.
BE's heart was not in with our team and our Building Process...he was in it for himself and with him not getting the STATs he wanted for his payday...he was not happy. BE says the right things in front of the cameras but who know what he does behind closed doors.
We're getting a kid in Stucky that doesn't have BE's talent but will give his heart n soul for us! One gets you some stats...the other gets you a Championship 
JMHO - go figure a guy who can run routes and catch passes...who need him 
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That's a conditional 5th in 2010 for KW2, isn't it?
I don't believe it was conditional, it was set in stone (at least that is how I remember it back at the time it was made).
Statistics are like a bikini; what they show is interesting, but what they hide is vital.
Drive for show (1st round), Putt for dough (rest of draft).
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Is there not a League limit imposed on the total # of picks you can have in any single draft ?
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I can't remember for sure, dude.
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THATS RIGHT i forgot about the KW2 pick this year I remember the Lions if its 11 thats even better 
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Well it is to the best of my recollection, and its early so... 
To oorah - Nope no limit on how many picks you can have.
To eo - True about heart versus stats, give me the player with heart everytime.
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PWNED While I hated BE like most on here....we got owned...again....we would have gotten much more BEFORE the draft...now only a (most probably) late 3rd and 5th, a dime a dozen UDFA ST-LB and late 7th round WR (at least I mocked him for us back then, lol...so yeah, I like him but he's no starter NOW and a marginal one as upside) soooo....2 more backups and 2 project picks for a ProBowl Talent and former Top 5 pick.....Im happy he's gone but should have fetched more....much more and yeah, we're now officially the Cleveland Jets-Scrubs 
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those 2 WR picks are looking a lot better. too bad we couldn't get Oline for him.
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Another thought....
I wonder how this affects the negotiations with Cribbs. Josh and Braylon are pretty good friends. Hopefully, it should have no affect at all. Just something to consider.
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Josh and Braylon are pretty good friends. Hopefully, it should have no affect at all. Just something to consider.
Well at least the odds of Cribbs going out on a drunken bender went way down ... yet another benefit of this trade!
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gotta give the Oline time to gel they moved fraley put mack under center and have switched up RT give it time they only been together for like a month.... majority of teams get a mini camp and training camp to gel....
I saw it come together a little in the cincy game after all Harrison did have 29 carries for 121 yrds and we gave up 2 sacks one of which I blame anderson so I think we will be fine on O line
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While I hated BE like most on here....we got owned...again....we would have gotten much more BEFORE the draft.  C'on...it was never confirmed what was offered..we just know it wasn't a first..we had nobody in the stables..and Stallworth was in doubt..JJ retired..if the offers were for high picks(which I doubt) than perhaps you could look it that way..but since I don't know, I can't say.
Regardless you'd be breathing automic fire regardless... Dawgmanincincy ... notice.. Mack is getting better... 
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django just needed another reason to complain.
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While I hated BE like most on here....we got owned...again....we would have gotten much more BEFORE the draft...now only a (most probably) late 3rd and 5th, a dime a dozen UDFA ST-LB and late 7th round WR (at least I mocked him for us back then, lol...so yeah, I like him but he's no starter NOW and a marginal one as upside)
soooo....2 more backups and 2 project picks for a ProBowl Talent and former Top 5 pick.....Im happy he's gone but should have fetched more....much more
and yeah, we're now officially the Cleveland Jets-Scrubs
Is Dissagree DJango:
I have been as critical of Mangini as many on here, BUT in this situation....Mangini robbed the N.Y Jets...robbed them Blind
IF we got Stucki, a Good Special Teamer, AND 2 draft picks (2nd and 4th, OR a 3rd and a 5th)...we robbed them blind
I was "very high" on Stucki the year the kid came out. Brett Farve loved the guy, he is a hard nosed player, runs good routes, great blocker, and is physical...he is a very good WR
I would go as far as to say at this point in their careers, Stucki is the better of the two Wr between him and Edwards...All Edwards does is drop passes except for 07....Edwards is a prima donna..Edwards will never reach his potential
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Check ya later Braylon - wish you nothing but the worst.
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Shocking, but a very smart move IMO. Really,..it's all about the future right now,let's get an early start, accumalate some draft picks while cutting ties with the dead weight. I'm all for seeing what we have now in Momass and Robiskie.
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Mort was on Mike & Mike this morning and said that the parking in other peoples spaces, the water bottle, it was all Braylon... He also said that the parking in other peoples spaces was a secretary at the facility, it was her spot and Mangini's point was, everybody is important, from the coach down to the secretarys but evidently Braylon thought he was more important than that.
Well DC he needed to go..of course Braylon just so you know, you were traded because you went to Michigan, not because you are a receiver who can't catch the ball who acts like a complete jerk all the time.
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While I hated BE like most on here....we got owned...again....we would have gotten much more BEFORE the draft...now only a (most probably) late 3rd and 5th, a dime a dozen UDFA ST-LB and late 7th round WR (at least I mocked him for us back then, lol...so yeah, I like him but he's no starter NOW and a marginal one as upside)
soooo....2 more backups and 2 project picks for a ProBowl Talent and former Top 5 pick.....Im happy he's gone but should have fetched more....much more
and yeah, we're now officially the Cleveland Jets-Scrubs
and I could have made a whole lot more If I sold all my stock in August of 2008 as well.
At the time I did not know that the Stock market was going to crash. Just like the FO did not know how much of a malcontent and under performer BE was going to be this season before the draft.
There were rumblings in both cases, but no concrete proof, and there was plenty of upside that made it seem like a good investment to hold onto both of them.
Hindsight is 20/20, but if you judge every action by the best possible scenario(regardless of the mitigating circumstances), you are going to be left bitter and disappointed 99 times out of 100.
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No, not Quinn next. We still need a decent backup. Been thinking,,, even if BE goes to the Jets and lights it up (which he might but we KNOW he'll drop some), I'm still glad we dumped him. I don't think he was every truly happy to be a Brown. Remember when we drafted him, and all he could do was complain because he thought the Dolphins were gonna take him? Screw Edwards. Bye.
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I've been saying all season that it looks like Braylon is Vince Carter-ing (vancouver), Randy Moss-ing it (Oak). He wasn't running hard, wasn't trying hard to break up ints, wasn't running correct routes, wasn't catching the ball. He has had 1 good season in 5, what are you guys seeing that makes you think we would have gotten or deserved a 1st round for him? Someone mentioned Roy Williams deal as a barometer, well he consistently caught the ball. Braylon did not. To me its good-bye so long. Even if he "lights" it up in NY, thats not what he was doing here, and not what he was going to do here. He was terrible here outside of 2007 season.
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Just like the FO did not know how much of a malcontent and under performer BE was going to be this season before the draft.
I hear they had been shopping BE for a while just no good deal emerged..
Now I think the mindset was that Edwards, being in a contract year would return to his old form..but as Chris Carter just said..he's got to change his attitude and focus on being a pro athlete and not the benefits of being one.
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Well we can all collectively come out now and admit that we always hated BE because he played for the team up north. 
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to put it differently...would you accept Veikune, Maiava, Trusnik and Stuckey for BE? I wouldn't ...it's just another useless quantity for quality move...will be interesting to see who he cuts for Trusnik...Costanzo? lol either him or Hall and I know who's "his" guy 2 backups and 2 project picks isn't near enough for ANY starter in the league who has PB potential and is in his age prime...oh well, the Raiders traded Moss for a project pick...that's the class we're at now anyway...hurray  Again, I love BE being gone...but Cartman misplayed yet another hand.....timing and value are terrible...and he adds another argument to his excuse list to Randy after this terrible season to get another year... I really do hate films I can see the ending coming after 5min....it's like watching a bad hollywood movie and Im surrounded by guys who keep telling me this film is decent and worth looking through 
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This is NOT a QB thread, and you will NOT turn another thread into one.
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to put it differently...would you accept Veikune, Maiava, Trusnik and Stuckey for BE? I wouldn't
I would trade Braylon for Stuckey straight up, actually.
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I'm fine with this move, especially knowing now that Braylon was at fault for all of those disciplinary issues. That being said, I really hope we get a 2nd in the deal.
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Well we can all collectively come out now and admit that we always hated BE because he played for the team up north.
I'm a huge tOSU fan and right now I have a severley worn out #17 Browns Jersey I bought in 2005 that I don't know what to do with.
Then again it can sit in my closet with my Tim Couch, William Green, Dennis Northcutt, Kenny Lofton, Bartolo Colon, Victor Martinez and Charles Nagy jersies.
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I really do hate films I can see the ending coming after 5min....it's like watching a bad hollywood movie and Im surrounded by guys who keep telling me this film is decent and worth looking through
You have the option of leaving the theatre if you wish. the door is there.
Although I don't think you are happy unless you have something to bitch about.
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Tell us who we should have got that would have satisfied you.
We weren't getting a # 1 for him ..not for getting a starter back from them.
We needed a WR coming back in the deal..
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to put it differently...would you accept Veikune, Maiava, Trusnik and Stuckey for BE? I wouldn't.
Why not? Veikune, Maiava, & Trusnik all had the same number of catches that BE did last Sunday.
BE was a mental midget that was bringing down the locker-room, refusing to produce on the field and was leaving next year anyway. A straight up trade for Stuckey is worth it, as he'll actually put in some effort and probably put up more production than BE was giving us this year. Not to mention, he'll probably be with us again next year.
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Good riddance to the headaches. Somebody help him with his baggage. Good luck elsewhere. Like Christmas came early. NOW he can go to the PB . . . .
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Stuckey MARGINAL?? he's 11 rec for 120 yrd and caught Sanchez first ever TD pass.. the kid runs tight routes and he DOESN'T DROP THE BALL 0 fumbles so far
I was going to say,, if it were a straight up deal, how much of a difference would this guy be in production to Edwards who has 10 catches for 139 years and NO TD'S this year..
LOL, I hate to say it, but that looks like a decent deal just based on stats.. I know,, Stats don't mean anyting.... 
I know nothing of the LB we picked up.. but someone compared him to Constanzo.. What's so bad about that. Constanzo is playing fairly well on ST's....
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to put it differently...would you accept Veikune, Maiava, Trusnik and Stuckey for BE? I wouldn't
I would trade Braylon for Stuckey straight up, actually.
Oh well, if that's the consensus among fans than we really don't deserve better, if you're really happy to trade a top 5 pick talent for a late 7th, so be it...that's what I was saying to Raider fans over those years
just ask yourself 1 question: why were the Jets desperately looking for WR help with Cotchery and 1st round TE Keller on their roster if Stuckey was that good? They wanted Crabtree...now he has signed and they traded for BE...coincidence? No, they were looking for WR upgrade...and got it because BE >>> Stuckey
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Hmmm....can't say I'm thrilled. This smells like a Mark Shapiro trade. Ship out someone who has elite talent for a collection of uninspiring players / picks. Only the Browns aren't doing it because they have no money Not sure how anyone could be excited about Stuckey at this point. He's just a throw in for the Jets. A 7th round pick who has played one season. A special teamer.....doesn't really need a comment. 2nd and a 5th. Not bad but if NYJ keeps winning, it's more like a 3rd and a 6th. 2 players and 2 draft picks would tell me the Jets were desperate for a legit #1 wideout....especially when you consider the Crabtree rumors. If that was the case, why not tell them to keep the 2 players and take something like a 1st and 4th instead? I can't imagine DP's were going to hold this deal up.
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