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Yep, that's how I feel.

I'll give DA the fact that he sparked the O. But in game 4 the cast was re-alligned. Can't help but wonder how Quinn might have faired. DA got this handed to him... He better earn it.

I don't care if we trade Quinn or not. If we do I hope he goes somewhere and kicks butt. He sure hasn't had a fair shake here.

And toad; you are starting to sound like a broken record. Please give it a rest. I have always got along with you and hope to continue... but you know Quinn wasn't given enough game time to shake this trouble he's having. Hell we rode DA right into the drain last year. This year is just Deja Vu...

I like Quinn's attitude and him as a person. Call me names, flame me , or whatever... I'm not making excuses. I think he is much smarter and could be the better QB if given the same LEVEL playing field.

As to BE... Glad he's gone, wish him well... I hold no ill will towards him, he just wasn't right for us. He needs to be on a team that is a contender. He can't handle the constant losing. We need to find guys who don't mind losing because they're coming to the Browns.

I blame all of this on Art Modell.

Have you heard that Brayin' Edwards has a new endorsement deal waiting for him in the Big Apple? True up!
Butterfingers candy bar maybe?

Might not care for Robiskie yet, but be honet: 1) No dropped passes; 2) no flags. He hasn't had a motorcycle incident and hasn't injured himself mysteriously. All good. Let him practice routes on the field. Put him in the slot or number four. If character and proper conduct count for so much, he earns a shot. Didn;t draft him to sit. I want to see him go after it, just to run people off and stretch the field. He needs game film to be game ready. We didn't do BQ any favors handing him to Dorsey.

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Wow.. you guys are tough.. Quinn has towed the party line and said all the right things since coming here, endured how many coaches, systems and personal changes and you want to throw him under the bus after how many games ? Jeesh.

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I can't speak for anyone else,, but all those things that you say Quinn did,, well, he did them,. you are correct. But what's so unique about that. So did Anderson, DQ, Wimbley, Thomas, Lewis, Stienbach, etc etc.. And most of them endured all the changes as well.

the difference is, those guys are producing, Quinn hasn't. In fact, look around, He wasn't able beat out any QB for the starting job until this year. I happen to think it had to be a close call at that.

So while I am not enamoured with Quinn, I'm not willing to just give up on him just yet either.

If it turned out to be that Quinn does want out, then I'd rather we get what we can for him, let him go somewhere where maybe he'll catch on.

Then like someone else said, Just run with DA until you get all the pieces surrounding our QB and then go after a top talent.. Why ruin another 1st round QB pick.....

who wants to bet the Jets play Monday night.. and then on Tuesday.. Braylon gets traded again...

Anderson, DQ, Wimbley sure got more time to prove themselves. Quinn did not... just not right comparison

I wish well to DA and Browns, but I wish well to BQ too, he deserves his shot.

Well Toad like browns and everyone else, BQ is in this NFL business too. At some point of time you have to look for yourself, why would he want to stay here if he knows he is not going to get fair shot. In a way its good for DA too, he dose not have to look over his shoulder.

Mangini is being very shrewd in his business, his philosophies, and he has as big ego as his bally. Its business, everything is fair. I don’t see anything wrong if Quinn’s camp is seeking trade. I don't see anything wrong if he is supporting BE, most of these players will do same

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is a backup receiver who could not break into the NY Jets sorry receiving core!

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Stucki was the #2 reciever in NY. He broke into the line-up long ago. Maybe you should check your facts before ranting.

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Anderson, DQ, Wimbley sure got more time to prove themselves. Quinn did not... just not right comparison

I wish well to DA and Browns, but I wish well to BQ too, he deserves his shot.

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Ya know, I understand that thinking.. I agree that, on the surface, that argument makes sense. But here's the rub.. A first round guy should, if he's capable, beat out supposed lesser candidates for the job..

And Quinn didn't. even last year when we started out with DA and went to Quinn.

Quinn didn't win the job away from DA,, DA lost the job.

This year,, yeah, Quinn won the job. But look at the production over camp and preseason,, not a whole lotta difference between the two guys really..

Not a lot of seperation.. so, maybe he's not going to be better no matter how much time he gets.. the way he played through 2.5 games this season,, well, that doesn't exactly excite me either...

I was open,, completely open to whoever won.. still don't care who is behind center,, I just wanna win,. Right now, Quinn doesn't appear to be the answer

What has Quinn done to engender all these negative posts???

By all accounts:

1. He is a hard worker.
2. He knows the playbook.
3. He works hard physically to be the best he can be.
4. He doesn't shy away from the media when things go poorly.

Me:

1. I think he has the tools to be a successful NFL QB. But that's just what I see.

Now to his detriment:

1. He held out during his rookie season. I would say it certainly wasn't a longer than average, mid 1st round QB holdout. But it may have cost him the opportunity to start Day 1. Bad decision.

2. He went to Notre Dame. People don't like the fact that they signed a huge contract with NBC and are given a national status not on par with their current success. I don't understand it but there are definitely more than a few ND haters.

3. He got punched by Shaun Smith, who by all accounts is a jackball. Is this a bad thing? It could be construed that it is I guess.

4. His performance has been mixed, but mostly poor, over the 20 or so quarters of football he's played to this point. He's checked down too often and played things too safe. He needs to play better.

5. He wore BE's shoes. I can't help but think this is an inside joke, but that's me.

So......

Why are people riding this guy to this extent? Can someone explain it to me or have I left things out?

To me the people that get me riled up are:

1. People that actively bring teams down. TO types. BE types. Rule breakers. Chaos makers. Media mongrels. Etc.

2. Fat athletes. You're getting paid millions to play a game. You owe it to your team to make the most of your physical gifts. Watching Fat Jhonny Peralta range for a ground ball that gets by him makes my blood boil.

3. Athletes that constantly make mental errors. Know your playbook. Know your craft.

4. Mouths. Guys that write checks they can't possibly cash. Earl Little comes to mind.

5. Slackers. BE certainly wasn't running his routes crisply and he wasn't giving it his all on a consistent basis. He was just going through the motions. Couldn't stand to watch the last few games of his.

Now back to Quinn.....

He's trying. And he sucks. Which sucks. So he's on the bench.

But I don't see where the hate is coming from. At least the voracity. Oh well.

I'm with ya on this one, Held. You'd think Quinn had personally gone to most of these guy's houses and peed in their cereal.

And frankly, while BQ may never be a star he's got more talent than most of his detractors are willing to admit. Not only do I think he'll be successful on his next team I'd be surprised if he isn't.

He hasn't gotten much of a real chance with the Browns but I suspect he'll get a chance soon with someone else. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if every Pre-Mangini player on the Browns is off the roster by the end of next year if not sooner.

Mangini just better hope that the Browns start winning because he won't be able to blame anyone else at the rate we're turning over the roster.

You took some abuse because like a few other guys you never shut up about it.

Along about your 250th post about DA's superior ability most of us got the gist of your opinions.........

Speaking of guys who never shut up about their fav. qb, where did diam run off and hide at? i noticed he disappeared, and now that 'his boy' stunk it up his crow is sitting there getting cold

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But I don't see where the hate is coming from. At least the voracity. Oh well.

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Can't and won't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate Quinn at all..

I'm pretty disappointed in his (as well as the teams) performance this year.

I'm disapppointed that he didn't or couldn't take control and run with it in a convincing manner.

I'm disappointed that we've waited, as did he, for his day to come, only to find out that he has issues as big as those DA was said to have.


But hate,, No, I don't hate the kid..

One that put everyone over the edge...When I suggested trading Quinn.. That didn't go over very well. We could have got two firsts..There was actually a sucker bigger than us out there and we passed.....That would have changed history...or maybe not. I believe it was Minnesota that offered them. They selected Harvin with their pick. That was the pick after we selected Mack. We wouldn't have had to trade down to get Mack...We could have Traded down From 5 into the teens to get any number of players...like a Knowshon or Jenkins or Cushing or Monroe.

The Vikings didn't offer us a thing, and we were only offered one first.

And if we traded back into the teens we couldn't have exactly drafted Monroe (8) or Knowshon (12) and only one spot in the "teens" could have gotten Jenkins (14).

Braylon Edwards Speaks on ‘Fresh Start’ as a Jet
By New York Times

New York Jets

A transcript of Braylon Edwards’s talk with reporters on Wednesday upon learning of his trade to the Jets. Among other things, he spoke about being painted as a troublemaker, about how he can help Mark Sanchez and about criticism of his dropped passes:



Opening Statement…

First and foremost, how are you all doing? Second of all, I’d just like to take this time to thank the Cleveland Browns, owner Randy Lerner (and) Romeo Crennel, who was the head coach at the time I was drafted. I just appreciated them for giving me the opportunity to play in Cleveland (and) taking a chance on me third over all in 2005. It’s a great organization over there and I wish them nothing but the best. I really appreciate them giving me the opportunity. Third of all, as it relates to the incident I was allegedly a part of this past Sunday, right now, it is a legal matter. There is nothing I can talk about. In terms of questions for that, it’s (a) legal (matter), I’m going to stay away from that.




On how it feels to be in New York City…

It feels great. I’ve always loved New York since the first time I came here. It’s a great city, a great sports tradition. It’s a great town and obviously what’s going on here with the Jets and Coach Ryan, they’re doing a great thing so far. To be a part of that feels good.




On what he’s heard about Coach Ryan…

Well, his brother (Rob Ryan) is the defensive coordinator in Cleveland. (Rex is) a fun guy, serious when he’s supposed to be, knows his game, comes from Coach Ryan, the original Buddy Ryan, so he knows the game and knows how to win and treats his players accordingly. I’ve talked to a couple of players here before I even was talked about being traded here. They like him. They like playing for him. They like going out there for him and they work hard for him and it’s showing.




On if knowing some of the Jets players will help ease his transition…

I think so, as it related to players. Knowing those guys, being able to talk to those guys, ask questions, I feel like there’s already some type of camaraderie as it relates to me and those players. I think it will be easier to meet and get along with other players and be transitioning as opposed to going somewhere where I don’t know anybody.




On if he needs a change of scenery…

I believe so. I believe that coming here to a team that’s doing well and a new head coach that has them going in the right direction and just freeing myself of the situation and coming to another situation. I think it’s a fresh start and a clean slate. I just really appreciate Coach Ryan. I appreciate those guys taking another chance on me and believing that I can help this team out.




On why he thinks he was given a second chance…

First of all, I work hard. I come and play every day. I’m a good teammate. I go out there and do everything I’m supposed to do on the field, sell out and do what I can. I pick up offenses and study. At the end of the day, I’m really just trying to be a guy. I’m trying to help this team out. They’re going in the direction already without me, before I even got here. If I can help that direction any, that would be great. I think that them taking a chance on me will pay off in the long run because I know what I’m capable of and what I can do.




On what went wrong in Cleveland…

It’s a situation where there a lot of changing parts. There’s always change going on in Cleveland and for a team to win, things need to stay the same. You see the teams that are winning in the NFL, they are a consistent part. You look at the Colts, they have consistency. You look at the Patriots, they have consistency. The teams that win are consistent and we were always constantly changing variables and it leads to new beginnings and some sticks in the mud.




On if he was surprised by the trade…

I didn’t know, to be honest. I got the call from Coach Mangini at 7:45 a.m. (Wednesday morning). He called when I was on my way to the facility. He called me and told me to come up and see him when I got in. I went up there and he told me that the trade had happened. He and I had a good talk. He wished me nothing but the best and I wished for him the same. I had no clue I was going to be traded.




On being able to contribute to the team’s offense right away…

It feels good. They’ve got a lot going on right now. (Mark) Sanchez is doing a good job as a rookie and just playing on the opposite side of Jerricho (Cotchery). Jerricho is a great receiver. I’ve watched him some time obviously being a friend of Kerry Rhodes and watching the Jets. He makes some plays and he makes things happen. You’ve got Thomas Jones in the backfield and a good offensive line. There’s a lot going on with this team that I feel like I can be a key to help. I appreciate Coach Ryan saying that I would be the starter. Now, I’ve just got to get in that playbook.



On his production dropping after his Pro Bowl season in 2007…

There’s a couple of parts. First off, guys weren’t healthy. Big D.A., our quarterback at the time, Derek Anderson, was fighting something. I was fighting to come back. I didn’t participate in preseason because of the injury. Then when I got back, I feel like I had lapses in concentration. I feel like I wasn’t always focusing 100 percent. It’s something that I talked to the media about openly. I never blamed anybody. I said it was just me going out there and staying focused and that’s what I tried to get back to this past off-season. I feel like I had a good off-season. I feel as though I had a good preseason. I feel like I started the season well in Cleveland this year. It’s just getting back to the basics and focusing.




On if he would like to start contract negotiations since he is in the last year of his current contract…

I don’t want to be a distraction. Right now, all I want to do is play football. They’ve got a machine moving in the right direction, so to sit here and try to talk about a new contract would be pretty petty. I’m happy with where I’m at now. I’m happy with my contract. It doesn’t bother me. I really just want to get out there and play football.




On if it is a relief that he won’t have to listen to trade rumors anymore…

In some regards, yes. You get tired of hearing your name out there and possibly this, possibly that. You learn to block it out, but at the end of the day, it’s still there. To have been traded and it’s officially over with, it feels good. Now I can just move forward and try to do everything in my power to help this team.




On if critics are nitpicking when they say he has a lot of drops…

(They’re) not necessarily nitpicking. There are some times where I do drop passes. Every receiver does it. I read the stat on my way in here, so I was ready for that one (laughter). I prepared myself for that one. Every receiver does it at times. Us being the athletes that we are, a lot of times we try to make moves without the ball. You tend to make your next move before you have the ball. This is something you take back to college. My college receiver always told me, “One, two, three. Catch, tuck it, then run.” That’s something that I’ve been doing lately and it’s been working out for me. At the end of the day, it’s just slowing down. A lot of times, things happen so fast or it’s pressing or you’re trying to do too much. Slow down and do the easy stuff.




On what he brings to the Jets offense…

I’m a little taller than Jerricho. Don’t tell him I said that. I’m just a little bit taller, a big guy, a physical wide out. Thomas Jones is a great running back and I Ûelieve that I can get on those defensive backs on the outside for him. I can get to those safeties so he can have those big runs. That’s something that I bring to the team. Defense so far this year have respected my capabilities at least, so by doing that, that will open up the run a little bit more. The ball comes, I catch it. Now you’ve got single-upped Jerricho. You’ve got Dustin (Keller). You’ve got Thomas Jones, so you have to decide who you want to stop.




On past transgressions…

At the end of the day, who I am, who I believe I am and who I know am is a great guy. I know a lot of the guys on the team. I have a foundation. I have charities. I do a lot of work off the field. I was actually in New York a year ago as part of the JB (CBS James Brown) Awards, which is a great honor for me. I know who I am. Sometimes, I think things get blown out of proportion at times. An incident might happen, and I’m not even talking about recently, where people hear it and start banking off that as opposed to the good stuff. I don’t necessarily think it’s about maturity. Things happen at times and get blown out of proportion.




On being painted as a “troubled”…

It does tick you off. My mom and I have this conversation all the time. My mother knows me and she gets more angry about it than I do. I do feel like I’m trying to create, not a new image, but I’m trying to just brush it up a little bit in order to be that good guy you’re speaking of. I’ve done some good things. I believe there are some other incidents there, so know you have some people who say, “Is he this or is he that?” Some people are still on this side and some people that are still on that side. That’s what I mean by fresh start. I can come with all the negativity that’s out there about me and I can come here and perform well on Sundays, on Mondays, practice hard and prove to my teammates and coaches that I’m a good guy and let everything else play its course. Eventually, I’ll get that good guy tag undoubtedly.




On if he felt welcomed by his teammates today…

It was interesting getting off the plane and rushing right to the team photo. The guys in the locker room are where it stems from when you walk into a good locker room. This is my first experience. This is what I hear. You try to feel guys around as your presence. Is it negative? Is it positive? The first thing when I came in the locker room there was jokes going on. A couple of guys cracked on the pants I had on. A couple of guys made some comments and raised some other things that were funny. It was joking and I took that as a good sign. I was happy that they joked on me because I’m a joker. I have plenty of jokes. I think they received me well and I’m happy to be here.




On going from a struggling team in Cleveland to the Jets who are 3-1…

They definitely are playing well at 3-1 and Cleveland isn’t playing so well. To come to a team at 3-1, I’m happy that I get a fresh start on that as well. I can start to work towards the playoffs and to stay tops in the division, AFC East. Whereas over there, it was another thing. I’m very excited. I’m very happy and I think I was pretty lucky with that situation.




On the pants he was wearing that his teammates made fun of…

I was wearing a suit. I thought it was a nice suit. Some guys called them high waters (laughter). No, no, no. I’m not typically a high water wearer.




On how he will help Sanchez…

I think how I can help Sanchez is I’ve played with different quarterbacks. I’ve played with your veteran, which is Trent Dilfer, a Super Bowl winner in Baltimore. I’ve played with Charlie Frye, who’s another incoming rookie, not drafted as high as Sanchez. I’ve played with a first-rounder in Brady Quinn. I’ve played with a quarterback in Derek Anderson that went to a Pro Bowl in ’07. I’ve played with a different range of quarterbacks and I can just get in on his page and see what type of guy he is. I can mold my game around him. It’s called being selfless. Mold my game around him and I think he and I can get a good rapport, as well as Jerricho and see what guys like to do. We’ll switch up, play Z, X. How he wants to throw to Jerricho vs. throw to me. I think we can get after it. I think we can have a good time. I think the biggest thing is to have fun. That’s kind of what I tried to do this year in Cleveland, take a fun approach. I think a lot of time that’s where you start playing football when your 12 or 14, it’s fun. Along the way it gets un-fun. Just have fun and I think he’ll be a great quarterback.




On what part of him wants to prove that his 2007 Pro Bowl season wasn’t a fluke…

The whole part of me. I feel like numbers speak for themselves. To have a great play but not a great season or to sit here and try to tell people who you are and what you’re capable of is much different than going out there and doing it consistently, like I spoke about those good teams. It’s definitely all of me that wants to go out there and do it week-in and week-out. I believe I’m in a place now where I can do that. I believe I’m in a place that’s headed in that direction where it can’t help me as much as I can help them. I definitely would like to go out there and prove I am that type of receiver every day.




On Coach Ryan saying that he won’t need to carry the team on his shoulders…

There is a lot going on on this team that is good. I feel like people focus on the good and I think the more you’re around a good situation, it allows everybody to move forward. I believe it allows everybody to move in a good direction. Coming here, where everything is going well, I believe it will help me because you get tired of talking about the negative. The negative builds up and it builds up and that’s all you hear about. It frustrates you and you go home. I’m not married so I can’t vent to my wife or my kids that I don’t have. It just builds on you. Now, being in a different situation, I’ve been there, which means I know how to handle that situation, as well as this is a completely different one because they are moving forward.




On what his day has been like…

Exciting. It’s been very exciting. I’m extremely happy to be here. I can’t really make that aware enough, how happy I am to be here. Now that I’ve talked to you guys, I’ll take a look around the building and then try to get with the coaches and Mark right away so we can get that offense down. Now that I’m here and I’m a Jet, the cute part is over with. I’ve got to go out there and produce, starting tomorrow in practice. I would like to know what I am doing.




On if there are any similarities with the offense in Cleveland…

There’s not necessarily this season in Cleveland, but with Rob Chudzinski, who was our offensive coordinator two years ago. He was in San Diego with Schotty, I’m going to say Coach (Brian) Schottenheimer. I haven’t really met him yet (laughter), before I come up with nicknames. From what I understand, their offenses are similar. By that being the case, I have worked in that offense for two years and I believe that I’ll know and there are some things to refresh your memory, so I’ll be ok.




On if the negativity in Cleveland contributed to his problems…

I’ll just say it weighs on you. I don’t want to blame frustration on issues. I’m a grown man. I admit to my faults. When I make a mistake, I make the mistake because I made the mistake. Frustrations can weigh on you. That’s what I was saying. Frustrations weigh on you when things are consistently negative. Every day it’s different questions, different interviews, different things you see, you read, you live, you go out to eat and you hear and you see. I’ve never been around anything like that in my life, so it’s interesting. I’m removed from that part of my life and I believe that part will make me stronger for the rest of my life.




On if the media in New York will be less difficult to deal with than the Cleveland media…

No, I don’t. This is a huge sports town. It’s the media mecca of the world as they say. I just feel that I was prepared in Cleveland. Obviously, Cleveland is not nearly as big as New York, but I was prepared. Now I’m older and more mature that I can deal with. I’ve got good people, like Bruce (Speight), to help me if I need any help, but I believe I can handle myself pretty well.




On if losing made him a different player…

Everything that comes with losing when you’re not accustomed to it and it’s consistent, it can definitely take the joy out of a game. You’re coming in week to week and you’re giving 100 percent, putting your body on the line. This isn’t just me, this was everybody on the team and you’re consistently putting your body on the line and giving all you can and you’re consistently losing. It weighs on you. You go home and you get frustrated with all that comes with losing.



NYTimes

That was later debunked.

Edwards slips on No. 17 Jets jersey, gets to work
Oct. 8, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12332110


FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Braylon Edwards spent most of his first few hours with the New York Jets meeting his new teammates and coaches and digging into the playbook.

Just over 24 hours after being traded from Cleveland, the wide receiver was on the practice field for the Jets and already feeling like one of the guys.

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"It's just a fresh start for me being in a situation where everything is moving in the right direction," Edwards said Thursday. "It's great for me to be a part of something like this. It's good for me, for my mental, for my physical, and I'm expecting to play well in this system."

Edwards, wearing a white No. 17 jersey, caught passes from rookie Mark Sanchez, as well as backups Erik Ainge and Kevin O'Connell in early drills.

"He looked tall," coach Rex Ryan said of the 6-foot-3 Edwards. "He's big, fast; he's everything."

He's at least everything the Jets had been missing in their receiving corps. Sorely in need of a big deep threat, New York acquired Edwards on Wednesday for wide receiver Chansi Stuckey, linebacker Jason Trusnik and two undisclosed draft choices.

Edwards will start opposite Jerricho Cotchery in New York's next game Monday night at Miami. Ryan is excited about how his new receiver's presence will open things up for the entire offense.

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"If you're going to put nine guys down there or eight guys down there, then we have a chance to run Cotchery and him straight down the field," Ryan said. "We've got one-on-one matchups and we like them on both sides."

Edwards, in his fifth season, had 10 receptions for 139 yards and no scores for the winless Browns. He has familiarity with the Jets' offensive system because it's similar to what former Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski ran. Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer worked for a few years in San Diego with Chudzinski.

"It went well with the terminology," Edwards said. "That's the big thing coming over to a new system. Can you get it? Can you learn it? It went real well today. I feel pretty confident."

Schottenheimer said he has no concerns that Edwards will be ready to go against the Dolphins.

"He's a really sharp guy," Schottenheimer said. "He's ahead, just because a lot of the stuff that we call things he's heard it called the same thing before. It's not 100 percent, but there's quite a bit of carryover."






And, that comfort level showed.

"He was really pretty smooth, to be honest with you, for a first day," tight end Dustin Keller said. "It seemed like he had been doing this for a little while. We know he's just going to get that much better and open things up for us."

Edwards' best season came in 2007, when he had 80 catches for 1,289 yards and 16 touchdowns. He hopes to return to that elite status, and thinks the first step is developing a solid rapport with Sanchez.

"Mark is the guy here," he said. "Mark's calling the shots. The big thing for me is to just stay on his page, see how he likes to call plays, how he likes to throw passes, his hots, his sights. I really want to get a feel for him."

Edwards said he met Indianapolis wide receiver Reggie Wayne at the Pro Bowl following the 2007 season and asked him what the key to his success with Peyton Manning was. Wayne told him that he and Manning spent so much time together they "know each other like the back of our hands."

"For us two young guys," Edwards said, "that's what we need to do."

Edwards has one year remaining on his existing contract, and the Jets have said they won't offer a new deal during this season. Edwards said that's fine with him.

"I think the biggest thing for me is knowing that right now I'm just playing through the end of this season," he said. "There's nothing guaranteed. It's not about a contract. It's about going out there and proving every play that I deserve to be here and I deserve to be the guy that he's throwing the ball to."

Edwards' character has come under fire because of a series of off-field problems, including his alleged involvement in a nightclub fight early Monday morning in Cleveland. His unhappiness with losing with the Browns, and questions about his desire to play football also dogged him.

"I don't even want to talk about what I've experienced because that's over with," he said. "Cleveland is Cleveland and now I'm in New York. It's just fun."

Lapses in concentration also led to Edwards dropping some passes in games, a reputation he's trying to eliminate.

"He had one drop today, so I'm sure we'll focus on that," Ryan said with a laugh. "He caught about 50 balls and dropped one. It was funny because right when he did drop one, I was like, 'Oh, boy.' He's going to drop some passes. He's human, just like anybody else, but I don't think we need to be overly concerned if he drops a ball."

I need to address this first...even had Minny offered that..Phil wasn't trading Quinn without playing him...fact...
Even if the Dallas rumors were correct ...Phil said he wasn't trading DA to a team that WAS GOING TO USE HIM TO MOVE up in the draft..either way Phil wasn't trading either QB..
Don't believe everything U read..or just post something from a while ago that was proven false.

Actually, if you were paying attention to anyone's opinion other than your own you'd know that what you just wrote doesn't apply to me at all.

I never (catch that word?) said Quinn had superior abilty. Look back.........time's up....see you couldn't find one instance of me saying anything like that. What I did say was that I felt DA was a glorified Tim Couch and that Quinn should get a chance. Which he did. Barely.

Bringing up coachb when trying to belittle my opinions is indeed laughable. I'll fill you in on a little secret......I was the first one to call the Ref's attention to the fact that he was probably a fraud. This was a couple of years ago. Long before his "son" dropped by to fill us in on the coach's "condition". Frankly, anyone who believed a word the guy said was a fool. Trust me....I wasn't one of them.

Lastly, I would say that I reply to some of your posts with what you call a "smart" remark because that's usually all they deserve. Post something that isn't rippin' Quinn or glorifying DA and perhaps you'll get a different response. Although, honestly, I doubt that you're capable of doing that. But, hey, I suppose it's possible. I mean, if there's water on the moon I guess your stuff could improve......

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I mean, if there's water on the moon I guess your stuff could improve......

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Careful, they haven't proven that yet

mac,

I completely agree on what you are saying, by any stretch I am not saying Quinn played good enough in those 2.5 games. All qbs get treated same way by defense, and qbs have to overcome this stacking up box by going deep. I am still not clear weather

-its just Quinn’s inability to go deep
-in first 3 games no one was open downfield
-Quinn was missing window to throw deep
-OL blocking, specially right side
-Gamelan, play calling
-Josh cribs at no 2 receiver

As we saw BE did not have single catch in game 4, sure he dropped one but he was double teamed or not open. Momass helped in passing game.

My point is mangini did not handle it right, either he failed in his evaluation in qb or he played dirty game to put DA as starter. Both ways it hurt browns.

Also I it seems we have dummy GM. Everything is controlled by Mangini. Don’t know that’s good or bad

We will find out soon …. I guess

just clicking ...

Does anyone else find it curious that most of the player reaction coming out of Berea is one of indifference? No doom and gloom, no panic, ... I wonder if we are going to see a workmanlike, yet cohesive effort this weekend and maybe surprise some folks.

In your opinion just getting 2nd rounder and few bodies is good value for 5th overall (franchise QB)… then we agree to disagree

Not just that, the way we picked in 2nd round even decreased the value of pick as I said 2 of our 3 players not contributed yet. And we are 0-4