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Are you or is your family going to get the shot?

I know based on everything I have seen and read there is no way I am nor will I allow my 7 year old son to take it.

What are your thoughts about this mess?


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I'm not going to get the vaccine...for many reasons.


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here is one article on many I have seen out there....

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/080709_swine_flu_hype.shtml

Despite any consequences, there's always a tremendous push by government and medical establishments to blindly vaccinate the public in the face of any outbreak of flu or disease. There is also the admission (from these same establishments) that every vaccine carries its own element of health risks. So if the intention is to protect public health by vaccinating, why is there never any intervention or policy on how to protect people from the vaccines themselves?

The U.S. has already purchased at least 312 million doses of two proprietary, patented adjuvants: MF59 from Novartis and ASO3 from GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). These purchases took place despite the fact that neither chemical has been FDA approved for use in a vaccine. The manufacturers have not yet even obtained FDA approval for Phase I clinical trials in the U.S., the first step toward approval of any new drug, vaccine or adjuvant.


On average, in both Canada and the U.S., it takes a little over a decade for a drug to move from preclinical development to the marketplace. Before a vaccine enters human testing, the developer conducts laboratory (in vitro) and laboratory animal (in vivo) testing to determine whether the product will be safe enough for researchers to proceed to clinical trials.

It appears that both the U.S. and Canada are prepared to skip all of the normally required safety and efficacy procedures and allow for the massive testing of this novel adjuvant on thousands of paid clinical trial participants in tests of the new H1N1 vaccine. This is despite documented government warnings that adjuvanted vaccines can induce more pronounced side effects than ordinary vaccines, a definite downside because vaccines, unlike most other pharmaceuticals, are given to healthy people.

There has been no confirmation, but many vaccine experts have speculated that the H1N1 flu vaccine ingredients will be very similar if not identical to the H5N1 flu vaccine which was also developed by GlaxoSmithKline. The biological index of that vaccine includes chicken embryos, formaldehyde, squalene adjuvant, thiomersal (mercury derivative), polysorbate 80 (preservative) and aluminum adjuvant among others listed on the Biotechnology Information Institute website.

* A full list of h1n1 vaccine ingredients, alerts and warnings.



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Vaccines Are One Big Experiment Causing
Hundreds of Diseases In The Modern World


The Effects of Squalene Adjuvant

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time according to a 2000 article in The American Journal of Pathology. The study demonstrated that a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered a chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation, also known as rheumatoid arthritis. The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.


Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between "good" and a "bad" squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system, according to award-winning investigative journalist Gary Matsumoto, who explains there is a "close match between the squalene-induced diseases in animals and those observed in humans injected with this oil: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus erythematosus."

"There are now data in more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers, from ten different laboratories in the US, Europe, Asia and Australia, documenting that squalene-based adjuvants can induce autoimmune diseases in animals, observed in mice, rats, guinea pigs and rabbits. Sweden's Karolinska Institute has demonstrated that squalene alone can induce the animal version of rheumatoid arthritis. The Polish Academy of Sciences has shown that in animals, squalene alone can produce catastrophic injury to the nervous system and the brain. The University of Florida Medical School has shown that in animals, squalene alone can induce production of antibodies specifically associated with systemic lupus erythematosus" writes Matsumoto.

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene. MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets according to data published in the February 2000 and August 2002 issues of Experimental and Molecular Pathology.

The Washington Post also confirmed last week that the H1N1 flu vaccine will contain mercury, a toxin linked with autism and neurological disorders. Epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten and Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado, both concluded that thimerosal was responsible for the dramatic rise in cases of autism but their findings were dismissed by the CDC.

Vaccines Just Don't Work And Never Have

The CDC estimates that only 10% of serious adverse reactions to vaccines are actually reported. Other government agencies state the actual figure is less than 1% since many Physicians have been trained not to report them.

International studies show vaccines cause up to thousands of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) deaths annually, many more are never reported.

Vaccinations cause high numbers of severe reactions, permanent disabilities, and deaths as well as an enormous personal and public cost. Virtually none of this gets reported.

As reported in a 2004 publication of the Archives of Disease in Childhood, a study of 800 children with asthma concluded those receiving a flu vaccine had a significantly increased risk of asthma-related doctor and emergency room visits.

A more recent study released at the 2009 American Thoracic Society International Conference showed children with asthma who received FluMist had a 3-fold increased risk for hospitalization.

Medical literature documents significant numbers of vaccine failures for measles, mumps, small pox, pertussis, polio and Hib-causing bacterial meningitis and pneumonia. In 1989, Oman experienced a widespread polio outbreak six months after completing a population-wide immunization program. In Kansas (in 1986), 90% of 1300 reported pertussis cases were “adequately vaccinated,” and 72% of Chicago pertussis incidents in 1993 had been as well.

From 1850 – 1940, well before mandatory vaccination programs, the British Association for the Advancement of Science reported a 90% decrease in childhood diseases due to improved sanitation and hygiene practices. By 1945, US medical authorities noted a 95% drop in deaths from the leading childhood infectious diseases (diphtheria, pertussis, scarlet fever and measles), well before mass-immunizations began.

A recent WHO report found that third world disease and mortality rates had no direct correlation with immunization programs, but closely relate to hygiene and diet standards.

Documented long-term health problems include arthritis, chronic headaches, rashes indicative of disease, non-healing skin lesions, seizures, autism, anemia, multiple sclerosis, ALS, cancer, and many others. Ingredients common to all vaccines are at issue. Squalene adjuvants are a biological time bomb that can harm or destroy the human immune system.

Dr. Bart Classen's epidemiological research found vaccines as the cause of 79% of insulin type I diabetes cases in children under 10. The sharp rise in numerous other diseases may also be linked with mass-immunizations. California's autism rate skyrocketed 1000% in the last 20 years. In the 1990s, MMR vaccine usage in Britain (for measles, mumps and rubella) occurred at the same time autism rose sharply. The January 2000 Journal of Adverse Drug Reactions reported that no adequate testing was done, so the vaccine never should have been licensed.

Vaccination history shows documented instances of deceit portraying vaccines as mighty disease conquerors, when in fact vaccines have had little or no discernible impact or have even delayed or reversed pre-existing disease declines. Conflicts of interest are the norm in the vaccine industry. Government agencies like the FDA and CDC are stacked with corporate officials who return to high-paying industry jobs provided they place profit considerations over public health and safety.

Health Canada fired Dr. Shiv Chopra, a vaccine and drug regulator, for blowing the whistle on the ineffectiveness and harm of vaccines. Chopra points out that vaccination did successfully eradicate smallpox and observes that all the other childhood diseases have been unsuccessfully fought with vaccination campaigns involving millions of children every year. Worst of all, these diseases are appearing with increasing frequency in the very populations that have been vaccinated for several generations. Clearly, something is wrong with these programs, the vaccines themselves, and he finds it alarming that “the list of vaccines being administered to young children has been enlarged to include many more viral and bacterial infections with little or no scientific rationale.”

Protecting Children From The Vaccine

Many international governments have already stated that children will likely to be among the first groups to get the H1N1 flu shot during the vaccination campaign's this fall.

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is asking whether the United States is prepared to obey vaccine safety provisions in the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which include: 1. Giving parents written information about vaccine benefits and risks before children are vaccinated; 2. Keeping a record of which vaccines the children get, including the manufacturer's name and lot number; 3. Recording which vaccines were given in the child's medical record; and 4. Recording serious health problems that develop after vaccination in the child's medical record and immediately making a report to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

NVIC also wants to know if the states are prepared to provide financial compensation to children injured by the swine flu vaccines, whether parents will be given complete, truthful information about swine flu vaccine risks, and have the right to say NO to vaccination.

Co-founder and president of NVIC Barbara Loe Fisher said "Parents and legislators should be asking themselves right now: Why are children the first to get experimental swine flu vaccines? Are schools equipped to get signed informed consent from parents before vaccination, keep accurate vaccination records and screen out children biologically at high risk for suffering vaccine reactions? Will people giving these vaccines know how to monitor children afterwards and immediately record, report and treat serious health problems that develop? And will states have the financial resources to compensate children who are injured?"

"Citizens around the world can be easily manipulated by doctors and politicians engaging in fear mongering in the name of disease controls to forward agendas that have more to do with ideology, power and corporate profits than health" Fisher stated.

Protecting Yourself

There are simple steps to protect yourself from any flu. These include precautionary hygiene measures and immune boosters.

1. Wash your hands often. Most germs are spread from touching things that are infected then touching our eyes and mouths.
2. Sanitize your hands often with warm water and a healthy natural soap.
3. If you work in an office or school disinfect the desks, phones, seats, door knobs, and everything else that a lot of people touch.with a natural sanitizer (i.e. vinegar, lemon), as long as other workers don't mind that is.
4. Stay out of crowded situations if possible such as malls, restaurants, subways, trains or any congested area during flu peaks.
5. Do not cough with your mouth open, use a Kleenex to cover your mouth when you cough then immediately wash your hands.
6. Use herbs like echinaea, olive leaf, elderberries, astragalus, ginseng
7. Use daily vitamins A,C and E (from reputable sources) and minerals such as zinc, selenium.
8. Use probiotics daily as well as glutamine, garlic, and the phytoalexin reservatrol.
9. Hydrate, get plenty of sleep, exercise and spend as much time outdoors as possible to optimize vitamin D levels from the sun.
10. Check out our aging and immunity page.

* Additional Resources for Protecting Yourself:
- Natural Protection from H1N1
- Solutions To Help Those Forced To Take The H1N1 Vaccines



How They Manipulate The Data


There is ample evidence, documented in numerous reports, that the WHO's level 6 pandemic alert is based on fabricated evidence and a manipulation of the figures on mortality and morbidity resulting from the H1N1 swine flu.

The data initially used to justify the WHO's Worldwide level 5 alert in April 2009 was extremely scanty. The WHO asserted without evidence that a "global outbreak of the disease is imminent". It distorted Mexico's mortality data pertaining to the swine flu pandemic. According to the WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan in her official April 29 statement: "So far, 176 people have been killed in Mexico". From what? Where does she get these numbers? 159 died from influenza out of which only seven deaths, corroborated by lab analysis, resulted from the H1N1 swine flu strain, according to the Mexican Ministry of Health.

Similarly in New York city in April, several hundred children were categorized as having the H1N1 influenza, yet in none of these cases, was the diagnosis corroborated on a laboratory test.

Influenza is a common disease. Unless there is a thorough lab examination, the identity if the virus cannot be established.

There are numerous cases of seasonal influenza across America, on an annual basis. "According to the Canadian Medical Association Journal, the flu kills up to 2,500 Canadians and about 36,000 Americans annually. Worldwide, the number of deaths attributed to the flu each year is between 250,000 and 500,000" (Thomas Walkom, The Toronto Star, May 1, 2009).

What the CDCP and the WHO are doing is routinely re-categorizing a large number of cases of common influenza as H1N1 swine flu. The WHO stated in a briefing note that the "...increasing number of cases in many countries with sustained community transmission is making it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for countries to try and confirm them through laboratory testing. Moreover, the counting of individual cases is now no longer essential in such countries for monitoring either the level or nature of the risk posed by the pandemic virus or to guide implementation of the most appropriate response measures. "

The WHO has admitted that:

1) they will not collect data on the spread of H1N1 based on systematic lab confirmation.

2) they will discourage national health officials to conduct detection and laboratory confirmation, while also pressuring the countries' public health authorities to duly deliver to the WHO on a weekly basis the data on H1N1 cases.

3) they will only refer to "confirmed cases". They do not distinguish between confirmed and non-confirmed case. It would appear that the "non-confirmed" cases are categorized as confirmed cases and the numbers are then used by the WHO to prove that the disease is spreading. (See WHO tables: http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_06/en/index.html)

The swine flu has the same symptoms as seasonal influenza: fever, cough and sore throat. What is happening is that the widespread incidence of the common flu is being used to generate the reports delivered to the WHO pertaining to the H1N1 swine flu. Nonetheless, in the tabulated release of country level data, the WHO uses the term: "number of laboratory-confirmed cases", while also admitting that the cases are, in many cases, not confirmed.

Biological Weapons

All vaccines (literally 100%) are biological weapons. They have never been designed or intended to prevent disease. They are the true weapons of mass destruction.


Dr. Viera Scheibner is internationally known as perhaps the leading expert on adverse vaccine reactions. Her analysis concluded that there is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases. To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects.

Nonetheless, immunization programs proliferate because the profit potential is enormous despite growing numbers of reputable scientific figures citing concerns. Moreover, vaccines serve as an excellent platform to destroy human health and global populations.

New delivery systems are also being developed that include nasal sprays, mosquitoes, and genetically engineered fruits containing vaccine viruses. With every country in the world a potential buyer, health and safety considerations are suppressed for the sake of profits. Unless somehow this madness is stopped, the harm to our children and society will be catastrophic.


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I had my annual physical yesterday.. everything seems fine by the way..

I asked my doc if I should and he said no. That I was not in the at risk group.

So, no,, Not gonna get one.


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I'll get my regular shot and skip the H1N1 because of information overload and not in a higher risk group for it.


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I personally think the Prez and his family should take the shot... to prove it is safe

I'm sure the white house would come up with a reason why no one in the family can take it.


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Why,, are there any facts saying it isn't safe?


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I heard that the CDC is telling people it's as safe as a regular flu vaccine. I'm not sure I buy that...it's brand new and hardly anyone has received it yet. If the regular flu vaccine can give you the flu (which it has done to many people), can the H1N1 vaccine give you swine flu? I'll pass.


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Knowing I wasn't in an at risk group, I kinda didn't pay much attention to this stuff. You have an interesting take Michelle.. Thanks for answering


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from article above:

Squalene Adjuvant - Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene. MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets according to data published in the February 2000 and August 2002 issues of Experimental and Molecular Pathology.

This: Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system, according to award-winning investigative journalist Gary Matsumoto, who explains there is a "close match between the squalene-induced diseases in animals and those observed in humans injected with this oil: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus erythematosus."


there is also talk about the Mercury levels being suspended to go over the "safe limits" with thimerosal see link: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/sep/25/in-brief-health-district-suspends-mercury-limits/

I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do but... I don't feel safe with it


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I am and wife is. We are in some at risk groups. Good luck either way.


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Nope. Not getting it. No one in my family is either afaik.


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We are both over 50, so I am assuming that is in the "risk" range. Both got the standard $25 flu shot from her provider at work,...and honestly don't know if it was an H1N1 shot or not.

We always get a flu shot every year, and have never been taken down.

And of course in the service, we were dealt the shot(s) whether it was a good idea or not and I never got sick, but have had some minor side effects (3-day arm pain, headachey, the blahs, etc.)

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Nope not a chance. But then again I NEVER get the Flu shot either.


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I have a 2-year old in daycare....in Chicago. If one kid has it, every kid is getting it.

Soooooooooooooo......should she be getting it?

I guess we'll ask our doctor at her 24-month visit.


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I don't get any flu shots period.

Here's why:

1) When I did get the flu shot, I would inevitably get a very bad case of the very thing I thought I was preventing - the flu. And bad. After a couple years, I finally said enough. Now, I get a cold here and there, but zero flus since STOPPING the flu shot.

2) Have you ever done a little googling to see what's in those things? Not just a semi-dead flu bug. It's rather interesting what they put in those things and then inject into your body.

So, no flu shots here for me, I'll take my chances of catching it and then my body fighting it. Thus far it's proven it can handle what's out there all by itself.


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Not just no, but Hell No.


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Nope! Never have, never will.

I get the flu like once every 15 years and the last time I had it was 7 years ago. I should be good for another 8 years.

As fort he H1N1 vaccine, HELL NO! Not enough studies to show it's safe.




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I talked to my doctor the other day about the flu shots, and he advised against both for me.

He said that if we see an outbreak of flu it might be something to consider ..... but right now they really don't even know for certain if they have the right strain vaccinated.

As far as H1N1, he said that there haven't really been many cases in this general part of the country ..... and since I'm not in a risk group it would be better to forego that vaccine.


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I work in healthcare, so I'm exposed to it.

I always get the flu shot, and never get sick from it at all. Some of the people who say they do probably just happen to get sick.

My daughter is sick all of the time, and she is in daycare. She probably needs to have it, so yes, we'll be getting vaccinated.


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As far as H1N1, he said that there haven't really been many cases in this general part of the country ..... and since I'm not in a risk group it would be better to forego that vaccine.




You live in Youngstown with me.... I will tell you at a bed meeting today, we were told that a certain local hospital has a full pediatric unit, and a lot of the kids have it.

Take it for what it's worth.


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I live in NW Ohio, and we have 3 confirmed cases in my son's school district. At work we care for the homeless, drug addicts, mentally ill, etc. I think I'm taking more of a chance in not taking it. Has anyone heard from reliable source that the vaccine has serious risks?


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I get e-mails from the CDC at work regarding the H1N1 update. Of course it's the same stuff you hear everywhere- it's safe. I know they tested 600 people last month with no adverse reactions, and thus far, we haven't heard of any known reactions from the vaccinations that started up last week so far. Hard to say this soon really.

I know there have been tons of advancements in medicine since the 70's version of the vaccine, so you have to take that into consideration.


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I live in NW Ohio, and we have 3 confirmed cases in my son's school district. At work we care for the homeless, drug addicts, mentally ill, etc. I think I'm taking more of a chance in not taking it. Has anyone heard from reliable source that the vaccine has serious risks?




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Sorry, but that website looks like a cheap version of "Prevention" magazine. And to say that "vaccines don't work and never have" just triggered my BS sensors from the get go. Are they actually arguing that mumps, rubella, measles and polio vaccines haven't "worked"?


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Some of the people who say they do probably just happen to get sick.






And I'm one that the flu shot apparently weakens my system so much that it then actually gives me the flu and/or makes me incredibly open to getting it. As soon as I stopped put that chemical cocktail in me, I haven't had the flu since. Not once.

So there's either a very odd coincidence going on here or the flu shot can make a person very sick - directly or indirectly.




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Sorry, but that website looks like a cheap version of "Prevention" magazine. And to say that "vaccines don't work and never have" just triggered my BS sensors from the get go. Are they actually arguing that mumps, rubella, measles and polio vaccines haven't "worked"?




ok well,,, suit yourself... I mean Idk what to tell you...

it was a website I used to post the info because it had all of the content on one page. if you want a more credible soure...

www.google.com

search: what is in the flu H1N1 vaccine

I'm sure you will find a source that will have the name recognition than the one I posted.


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With the amount of Woo being peddled here, thought I'd crash the anti-vaxx party. I've already gone through this once before in another post, but here's some more recent info.

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Swine flu vaccine myths ‘busted’ by experts
NICK MILLER
October 1, 2009

Fear and misinformation have clouded the need for widepread swine flu vaccination, experts said today, at a ‘mythbusting’ seminar convened by vaccine manufacturer CSL.

Though the pandemic has faded for now, it could return to Australia’s shores as early as February next year and the country ideally needs more than half the population vaccinated by that time, said Professor Robert Booy of the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance.

Immunisation and influenza experts including Professor Booy, Professor Alan Hampson of the WHO’s Influenza Specialist Group and Professor Terry Nolan of the University of Melbourne said they wanted to dispel some of the myths that had sprouted around the vaccine, through underinformed media reports and anti-vaccination campaigners.

They emphasised the risk, especially to young people and pregnant women, if the virus returns in force next year.

And they speculated that it was only the expertise and new techniques in Australia’s hospital intensive care wards that prevented a much higher death toll this year.

MYTH:

The swine flu vaccine has been rushed through without the normal tests.

FACT:

The vaccine took just as long to prepare as the usual seasonal flu vaccine, has been approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration, and has been subjected to greater scrutiny than the usual flu vaccine.

MYTH:

Swine flu is so mild that you might as well just catch it and not bother with the vaccine.

FACT:

The number of deaths caused by swine flu could be up to ten times those that we know about, because it might have exacerbated other underlying diseases. It is particularly dangerous in young people and pregnant women.

MYTH:

I had the flu this year, so it was probably the swine flu and I’m immune.

FACT:

With a new pandemic, especially in children, the immune response may not be strong enough to prevent another infection.

MYTH:

In 1976 a swine flu vaccine in the USA caused paralysis (Guillian-Barre Syndrome) and it could do again.

FACT:

It was a one-off. The original effect was only an additional one case of GBS per 100,000 people vaccinated. The modern vaccine is very different, and no subsequent vaccines have been linked to GBS. In fact, research suggests vaccination may REDUCE the likelihood of getting GBS, which can be caused by an infection.

MYTH:

The use of multi-dose vials poses an infection risk.

FACT:

Not if GPs follow standard infection control procedures. Previous cases of MDV-related infection are decades old. The only real risk is the potential for some of the vaccine to be wasted, because the vials must be thrown away a day after opening.

MYTH:

The vaccine contains dangerous amounts of mercury.

FACT:

The multi-dose vials contain a small amount of thiomersal, a mercury-based preservative. It is in such small trace amounts — similar to the amount of mercury in some foods — that there is no credible evidence it poses any risk whatsoever.

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The vaccine is unsafe for pregnant women to use.

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There is no reason to believe there would be unusual risks for pregnant women. In fact, because the flu is most dangerous to that group, they should be encouraged to vaccinate.

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The vaccine is not safe for children.

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Tests to establish the appropriate dose for children are still under way, but there is no reason to think they will turn up any problems.

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People with egg allergies should not have the vaccine.

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Most egg allergies are only mild, and the vaccine will be safe for these people.



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An experimental vaccine for something that isn't even killing people as much as the regular flu... I'll pass.


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I won't get it. I don't see the need to. While it may be horrible to have, it doesn't appear to be any worse than a regular flu and yet the mortality rate is but a blip.


I think our government is priming the pump of fear in us. Some places I have read are MANDATING it. WHY????

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My 14 year old has a form of it right now...sore body, headache and some chills at times but is eating everything in sight!!! Not really sick at all.

No shots here though. It's a racket IMO.

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An experimental vaccine for something that isn't even killing people as much as the regular flu... I'll pass.




I'm sorry, what exactly is experimental about it? It's made the exact same way as previous vaccines.


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Because certain people will be higher risk not just for getting it, but further spreading it. The best reason to get a vaccination isn't just for your own well-being, but for those in a higher risk group around you who may get it from you catching and spreading it. Vaccinating a large number of people creates a hurdle for the flu to get over, which dampens it's effects on our civilization.

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The same could be said of this thread. People are promoting this idea that vaccination is bad and somehow hurts people more than helps. This is not only untrue, but spreading this idea also potentially fatal to people. Over the past few years we've seen an increase in not only preventable diseases, but also an increase in vaccine-preventable deaths over that of a decade ago. The reasons why we're seeing these increases are due to these repeatedly debunked theories that vaccines are harmful and cause everything from autism to death. It's demonstrably untrue.


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there is also talk about the Mercury levels being suspended to go over the "safe limits" with thimerosal see link: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/sep/25/in-brief-health-district-suspends-mercury-limits/




Yes, but you should read further. Thimerosol. and the author states this, has been shown to be completely safe is not just being present in the vaccinces, but also in differing amounts. In the past two years at least four studies ranging from hundreds to tens of thousands of documented thimerosol containing vaccine injections have shown no effect over controls on kids or adults. Mercury is a part of thimersol, true. However, you get more mercury from eating predatory fish for dinner than you do from one vaccination. The body gets rid of it quickly and efficiently. The reason that someone spoke on this, and the government caved as a result, is because regardless of the evidence, people insist on non-thimerisol vaccines. So yes, there are safe limits, much the same as there are safe limits for fish consumption, golfing, watching TV, staying out of direct sunlight, eating your veggies, etc.

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Squalene Adjuvant - Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time




The definition of an adjuvant is that it is immunologically inert when introduced into the body by itself, however when injected in conjunction with an antigen(anything the bodies immune system recognizes as "not self"), or anything that creates an immune response, it heightens the immune systems response, making it more like getting introduced to a full viral load like you would see as a result of a full-blown infection. Adjuvants do nothing by themselves. They usually mimic certain evolutionary conserved (things that our predecessor's immune systems were repeatedly exposed to millions of years ago and have changed little since then) parts of antigens like bacterial cell walls, double stranded RNA, and single stranded DNA that while not antigens themselves, are usually found in the presence of specific antigens.


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So, are you getting, or have you gotten, the h1n1 shot?

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No, and probably won't during the primary roll out of vaccine because I'm not in any high risk group. I'd prefer to wait until those that need it get it first, then, if any is leftover, I'll get it.


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I'm sorry, what exactly is experimental about it? It's made the exact same way as previous vaccines.




Anything that JUST comes out is experimental. I'm sorry 600 testers is not a complete study in my book. It's probably harmless... but so is the swine flu.


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It's probably harmless... but so is the swine flu.




Tell that to the families of those that have died from it. Were not talking about the common cold here, this is still a deadly preventable disease.

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If this were a new method by which a new type of vaccine were to be produced I would understand your skepticism and probably join in this shin dig.However, that's not the case. But, it's made exactly the same way as all previous seasonal flu vaccines have been made. The only difference being the strain of virus used. So why is more testing than normal necessary?


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What has killed more people: the regular flu, or the h1n1 flu?

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