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1) Berry
2) T-E-B-O-W
3) an absolute burner at receiver similar to Mike Wallace
3) OL or front seven
The rest I need to wait to see how it shakes out.
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2) T-E-B-O-W
3) an absolute burner at receiver similar to Mike Wallace
3) OL or front seven
The rest I need to wait to see how it shakes out.
If we take Tebow in the 2nd ahead of a good RT I will puke.
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I've got the RT in the 3rd.
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2) T-E-B-O-W
3) an absolute burner at receiver similar to Mike Wallace
3) OL or front seven
The rest I need to wait to see how it shakes out.
If we take Tebow in the 2nd ahead of a good RT I will puke.
If we draft Tebow at all I'll punch a hole in my wall! 
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I've got the RT in the 3rd.
You have a WR in the 3rd.
And a 4th round RT probably won't be good enough to start. We need a starter. A 3rd rounder may not be good enough to start.
And I honestly think Tebow will be a terrible pro. He doesn't have a pro position.
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We have 2 thirds.
True, and I forgot, but you have nothing about a RT in your little mock.
But either way, no way do you spend a high 2nd on Tebow when you could probably get a bonafide starter quality RT.
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True, and I forgot, but you have nothing about a RT in your little mock.
But either way, no way do you spend a high 2nd on Tebow when you could probably get a bonafide starter quality RT.
Honestly, this team needs some speed and playmakers. And a franchise QB.
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True, and I forgot, but you have nothing about a RT in your little mock.
But either way, no way do you spend a high 2nd on Tebow when you could probably get a bonafide starter quality RT.
Honestly, this team needs some speed and playmakers. And a franchise QB.
Honestelly I think you should just stay away from mock drafting until this draft is over. There's a better chance of Deepthreat being a franchise QB then Tebow.
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True, and I forgot, but you have nothing about a RT in your little mock.
But either way, no way do you spend a high 2nd on Tebow when you could probably get a bonafide starter quality RT.
Honestly, this team needs some speed and playmakers. And a franchise QB.
And Tebow is somewhat fast for the QB position, but he isn't a playmaker, and he isn't a franchise QB.
Tebow is an awesome college player, but nothing he does is all that spectacular. He throws the ball, but honestly isn't that good of a passer. He is a powerful runner at the QB position, but he would get hurt within 6 games in the NFL running like that, which takes away a lot of his ability.
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Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy, two Superbowl winning coaches, disagree.
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Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy, two Superbowl winning coaches, disagree.
Jon Gruden loves Tebow as a wildcat QB. That isn't a franchise QB, that is a situational player, something we can't afford to spend a high 2nd rounder on.
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Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy, two Superbowl winning coaches, disagree.
Jon Gruden loves Tebow as a wildcat QB. That isn't a franchise QB, that is a situational player, something we can't afford to spend a high 2nd rounder on.
Dolphins did it with Pat White.
Dolphins also spent a 2nd round pick on a QB the year before with Chad Henne. They were 1-15 the year earlier.
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Jon Gruden loves Tebow as a wildcat QB. That isn't a franchise QB, that is a situational player, something we can't afford to spend a high 2nd rounder on.
Dolphins did it with Pat White.
Dolphins also spent a 2nd round pick on a QB the year before with Chad Henne. They were 1-15 the year earlier.
The Dolphins were 11-5 the year before they took White, and are a lot more talented than we are right now and use the Wildcat more than anyone else.
And Henne has the ability to be a franchise QB. If Tebow had Henne's passing ability and potential at the QB postition then I wouldn't be opposed to taking him, but he doesn't.
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Using: http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010.php1 - Eric Berry, S, UTenn - Suh went first to TB...that was before this past win though...I think Suh will be the first pick though unless he gets injured. That said, Berry is one heck of a consolation prize even though I can't remember a S being drafted #2 overall. 2. - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisc - Anthony Davis is my favorite RT prospect in this class (Rutgers) but he was gone here. I like Carimi better than Ciron Black, who I have seen some put as this pick for us. Carimi has a better initial power punch and also has good lateral movement on pass blocking. 3a - Eric Decker, WR, Minn - I hate the prospect of drafting another WR this year....and yeah, Decker is hurt.....but anyone that has seen this kid play knows that if he somehow, inexplicably falls to the 3rd round, that it would be a no-brainer, run to the stand with the card to grab him. 3b - Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, USoCar - Walter Football gave us a good 3rd round....I ended up taking both of the picks they gave us as these are players who have dropped much farther than I would have thought. That's as far as their mock goes, so I'll leave it there.
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1 - Eric Berry, S, UTenn - Suh went first to TB...that was before this past win though...I think Suh will be the first pick though unless he gets injured. That said, Berry is one heck of a consolation prize even though I can't remember a S being drafted #2 overall.
2. - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisc - Anthony Davis is my favorite RT prospect in this class (Rutgers) but he was gone here. I like Carimi better than Ciron Black, who I have seen some put as this pick for us. Carimi has a better initial power punch and also has good lateral movement on pass blocking.
3a - Eric Decker, WR, Minn - I hate the prospect of drafting another WR this year....and yeah, Decker is hurt.....but anyone that has seen this kid play knows that if he somehow, inexplicably falls to the 3rd round, that it would be a no-brainer, run to the stand with the card to grab him.
3b - Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, USoCar - Walter Football gave us a good 3rd round....I ended up taking both of the picks they gave us as these are players who have dropped much farther than I would have thought.
That's as far as their mock goes, so I'll leave it there.
To a S being taken #2 overall... Eric Turner, he turned out to be pretty good. Sad end for him, but overall a solid person and player.
Using that mock I'd take...
1. Berry
2. Vince Oghobaase, DE/DT, Duke (I'd also try to trade Corey Williams for an additional 3rd or better). If I couldn't pull off the trade then I would pick: Jason Fox, OT, Miami. Although Carimi would be OK as well.
3a. Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina (only pick I agree with the site)
3b. Thomas Austin, G, Clemson
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To all of you clamering for a first day pick being wasted on a QB just
stop it. No more picks on a QB until the rest of the offense is established. With what we have right now, weak right side of o-line, no TE, no deep threat at WR and no running back, all you would do is ruin whom ever you put back there.
1. rb with speed low 4's. Someone that can take it the distance, screw ground and pound.
2. ORT - St. Claire has to go, shoulda taken Loadholt this year.
2 or 3. ORG - draft him, play and let them learn together.
3. OLB - someone under 6 foot, they get better leverage, ala Woodley and Dumerville. A decent pass rush makes our sorry-dary look better.
Also, I've been thinking about this for awhile, what about DA and a 2nd day pick to Carolina for Jonathan Stewart. Carolina has D. Williams and Delhome is probably done down there ( can you say career backup ). They could fall for his big arm and big play potential of DA to S. Smith. Oh yeah and is Davidson still there O.C. If so, DA would be familiar with that system! Sounds good anyway. If this dream trade happened then I would look at one of those saftey prospects, Berry or Mays.
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QB is the most important position on any team in any sport.
Spare me the "build the offense, then get the QB" crap. Good QB play means everything to an offense.
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Spare me the "build the offense, then get the QB" crap. Good QB play means everything to an offense.
And good O-line play means everything to a QB.
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1. Berry, S, Tenn- Instant upgrade in the secondary
2. Tate, WR., Notre Dame- I never liked any of the Browns many second round WRs. Tate will be better then all of them and his hands are better than any WR on the Browns current roster.
3a. George Selvie DE/OLB USF- This mock has the Browns passing on him twice in the 3rd round. I doubt he makes the 3rd round. Will be better than Bowens, Hall and Wimbley.
3b. Barry Church, S, Toledo- Bye Bye Sorenson. Hard hitting safety is all over the field. He can block FGs and help out on specail teams right away. Might be starting with Berry before the season is over....with possibilty of uncapped year, Browns will have their best Safety tandem for years.
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If we draft Tebow at all I'll punch a hole in my wall!
whats wrong with drafting a football player at the QB position. Sure Tebow isnt gonna compare to a sure picks like Brady Quinn or Tim Couch or even a Alex Smith in SF, but remember this guy is a smart Football player, a tuff player and all he does is win.
Tim might not be a picture perfect QB, but the guy get it done, he wins and is a Football player whats wrong with having a football player at the QB position.
I for one would love to get Tebow in the 2nd, I agree with Berry in the 1st.
1. E. Berry
2. Tebow
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whats wrong with drafting a football player at the QB position. Sure Tebow isnt gonna compare to a sure picks like Brady Quinn or Tim Couch or even a Alex Smith in SF, but remember this guy is a smart Football player, a tuff player and all he does is win.
Whats wrong is he sucks. He has a 30 sec release time on his throws, isn't accurate, doesn't have a strong arm, doesnt play in a pro stlye offense, wont get hurt in two games playing the way he does in college, doesn't have good mechanics, left handed,doesn't have great anticipation, etc. He seriously lacks everything I want in a QB except leadership. You guys seriously need to get over your tebow love fest. He ins't even a good college qb, being in love with him is like being in love with Colt Brennan.
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Spare me the "build the offense, then get the QB" crap. Good QB play means everything to an offense.
And good O-line play means everything to a QB.
Tell that to Ben Roethlisberger. Dude has one of the worst lines in the league but still plays at a Pro Bowl level.
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You guys seriously need to get over your tebow love fest.
Is this the same kind of love fest, we see others having for our current great All-Pro leaders at QB's we currently have in Anderson & Quinn,
If it's anything we've learned over the years with the QB position is there is no set skills one needs to be successful, Nobody including you dont know if Tebow will be a NFL QB....Many people were singing the prasies of Couch, Akili Smith, Dan Mcgwire, Cant miss QB's like Alex Smith, David Carr, but if I had to pick one, I'd start with someone who was a football player first and one who has leadership qualities and guess what Tebow has both, so is he worth taking a shot with, I'd say just as much as some of the other All pro's we've signed or drafted, and as long as there isnt another Manning coming out, why not.
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Well well well...a mock thread...well time for me to to give some input...and this one I'm not including a QB..
1- Ndamukong Suh NT/DE Nebraska
2-Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
3a-Mike Iupati - OG Idaho
b-Eric Norwood DE/OLB SC
4-Justin Woodall SS Alabama
5a- Myron Lewis CB Vandy
b- Micah Johnson LB Kentucky
c- Cameron Sheffield LB Troy
6a- Riar Geer TE Colorado
b-Chris Scott OT Tennessee
7-Edward Britton WR Texas Tech
Now for a second one..
1-Ndamukong Suh NT/DE Nebraska
2-Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
3a-Blair White WR Michigan State
b-Brandon Lang DE Troy
4- Tim Hiller QB Western Michigan
5a-Kurt Coleman SS Ohio State
b- Jamar Chaney ILB Mississippi
c-Mike Johnson OG Alabama
6a- Colin Peek TE Alabama
b- Will Barker OT Virginia
7- A.J. Jefferson CB Fresno State
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Yeah and Rothlisbooger has a ground game, a good TE and 3 count'em 3 good recievers. What does Cleveland have. I'll say again, you will ruin anyone we put back there. We have huge holes. Out of the 11 positions on offense I'd say 7 need upgraded. Since it's easier; I'll name what we do have; LOT,LOG,Center and a decent #2 reciever, thats it. Every other position needs addressed!
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Well well well...a mock thread...well time for me to to give some input...and this one I'm not including a QB..
1- Ndamukong Suh NT/DE Nebraska
2-Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
3a-Mike Iupati - OG Idaho
b-Eric Norwood DE/OLB SC
4-Justin Woodall SS Alabama
5a- Myron Lewis CB Vandy
b- Micah Johnson LB Kentucky
c- Cameron Sheffield LB Troy
6a- Riar Geer TE Colorado
b-Chris Scott OT Tennessee
7-Edward Britton WR Texas Tech
Now for a second one..
1-Ndamukong Suh NT/DE Nebraska
2-Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
3a-Blair White WR Michigan State
b-Brandon Lang DE Troy
4- Tim Hiller QB Western Michigan
5a-Kurt Coleman SS Ohio State
b- Jamar Chaney ILB Mississippi
c-Mike Johnson OG Alabama
6a- Colin Peek TE Alabama
b- Will Barker OT Virginia
7- A.J. Jefferson CB Fresno State
In the first : I really like
1- Ndamukong Suh NT/DE Nebraska
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3a-Mike Iupati - OG Idaho
b-Eric Norwood DE/OLB SC
In your second : Very interesting picks
3a-Blair White WR Michigan State
b-Brandon Lang DE Troy
4- Tim Hiller QB Western Michigan
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Yeah and Rothlisbooger has a ground game, a good TE and 3 count'em 3 good recievers. What does Cleveland have. I'll say again, you will ruin anyone we put back there. We have huge holes. Out of the 11 positions on offense I'd say 7 need upgraded. Since it's easier; I'll name what we do have; LOT,LOG,Center and a decent #2 reciever, thats it. Every other position needs addressed!
I think Rothlisberger makes the WRs more then they make him....
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Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy, two Superbowl winning coaches, disagree.
Gruden is an idiot who makes a mess in his pants whenever he sees the wildcat formation. He also has never met a QB he didn't like. Dungy is a really devout, religiously involved person. Think THOSE factors might have something to do with that? I like the guy, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a franchise quarterback who can make the necessary throws and doesn't take the snaps needed from center. It does NOT translate well. Please, slow down the overzealous garbage about Tebow for another couple of months for the sake of your dwindling credibility as a poster and my sanity. I bring in my sanity because if I see "every time Tim Tebow completes a pass an angel gets its wings" one more time I'm going to flip.
Don't use two men's opinions as the largest source of your argument when those are biased, tainted views from their parts.
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Yeah and Rothlisbooger has a ground game, a good TE and 3 count'em 3 good recievers. What does Cleveland have. I'll say again, you will ruin anyone we put back there. We have huge holes. Out of the 11 positions on offense I'd say 7 need upgraded. Since it's easier; I'll name what we do have; LOT,LOG,Center and a decent #2 reciever, thats it. Every other position needs addressed!
I think Rothlisberger makes the WRs more then they make him....
This.
The NFL is a QB driven league. None of this "build of the OL and D" crap people say holds water with me.
Former Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah, now owner of MoveTheSticks.com agrees.
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whats wrong with drafting a football player at the QB position. Sure Tebow isnt gonna compare to a sure picks like Brady Quinn or Tim Couch or even a Alex Smith in SF, but remember this guy is a smart Football player, a tuff player and all he does is win.
Tim might not be a picture perfect QB, but the guy get it done, he wins and is a Football player whats wrong with having a football player at the QB position.
Based on that logic Tyler Hansbrough will be a an all star in the NBA because "he's so tough and has so much heart!" 
You Tebow supporters refuse to listen to me, Deep, Toad and Attackdawg. The guy probabally won't even be a QB let alone a decent one.
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Throw me in that mix, too. I know I don't have the star power as those other names but I've been against it from day one.
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Former Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah, now owner of MoveTheSticks.com agrees.
You really want to quote a former Browns scout as a credible source?
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Former Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah, now owner of MoveTheSticks.com agrees.
You really want to quote a former Browns scout as a credible source?
Follow this guy's Twitter feed (MoveTheSticks)...he gives some good knowledge.
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Former Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah, now owner of MoveTheSticks.com agrees.
You really want to quote a former Browns scout as a credible source?
Follow this guy's Twitter feed (MoveTheSticks)...he gives some good knowledge.
I was just kidding...I've never heard of the guy.
But to downplay the importance of the offensive line and the defense like that? Nah...can't buy in.
A QB matters...but only so much. I can't think of a QB in the NFL who could win ball games with us right now. Win a few more than one? Sure. Make the team competitive? No way.
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Tim might not be a picture perfect QB, but the guy get it done, he wins and is a Football player whats wrong with having a football player at the QB position.
If your only requirement is having a QB that can "win" at the college level, we might as well start Ken Dorsey ... he was 38-2 in college. 
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I've said all my negatives on Tebow. You guys come back with his intangibles, leadership, winning games and having God on his side. Charlie Frye had great intangibles and leadership. Brady Quinn supposedly had great intangibles and leadership. Ken Dorsey won games and had great leadership. How'd they work again? All the intangibles and leadership in the world won't make you a good quarterback. I have a great work ethic, great desire, and all that, but it doesn't change the fact that I suck at throwing the ball.
Now here's another early Browns mock from me:
1. Eric Berry - He's kind of good.
2a. Jonathan Dwyer - Sweet athlete and running back who can pound the ball.
2b. Eric Norwood OLB South Carolina
3. Ciron Black OT Louisiana St.
4. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
5a. Michah Johnson LB Kentucky
5b. Tim Hiller QB Western Michigan
6a. Riley Cooper WR Florida
7. Tim Tebow FB Florida
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