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Like it or not---thats how I see it.
If anything can possibly be used to make Quinn look bad or make DA look good, there really isn't any question as to how you are going to see it.
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At least I can see that clearly BQ is not a viable NFL QB.
At least I can admit that him getting hit in face leaves questions as to why it happened. And I am willing to ask those questions rather than just assume that smith just hit him for no real reason.
And it does pose questions about how his team perceives him in the locker room.
People have speculated that players prefer DA, and on the field--it certainly appears that way.
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Like it or not---thats how I see it.
If anything can possibly be used to make Quinn look bad or make DA look good, there really isn't any question as to how you are going to see it.
Careful dc.....the same might be said about you, except vice versa on the names.
Just saying. I've read many of your posts about da......again, just saying. Maybe you aren't as blatant as tyler, but you do have a bias. At least from what I can tell.
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IMO, you don't get punched in the FACE for no reason.
And what kind of "leader" gets himself in this situation?
The kind that calls out the players that are slacking in the locker room, and then the player loses it and takes a swing. A "troublemaker" as you want to make him out to be without proof, is usually the one that does the swinging.
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Smith is pretty much a non-issue on the other hand cuz he is gone.
And swinging is part of the reason he is gone.
I've been in fist fights with friends over heated debates that got out of control.
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Me, too FF... lol. And the Smith/BQ incident is irrelevant now, a very small matter on a big ship. No one here can say what led to it, the dynamics involved... it doesn't matter either way.
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The kind that calls out the players that are slacking in the locker room, and then the player loses it and takes a swing. A "troublemaker" as you want to make him out to be without proof, is usually the one that does the swinging.
You know, calling out a guy for not working hard enough doesn't warrant taking a swing. And in Smiths long and illustrious career I'm sure he has heard that plenty of times-----as its a staple with him. But you don't ever hear of him punching people out.
Now with Brady---I'm not trying to say that he is a troublemaker--just pointing out that he put himself in a situation where he ended up with egg on his face. And if he is the intelligent leader he is supposed to be---then how come he puts himself in this situation.
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And swinging is part of the reason he is gone.
If I'm not mistaken, he played for us for awhile after that. And it wasn't until he started arguing with a coach that he got shipped.
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All I can say is IF Quinn is being dangled as trade bait, the Browns had better put a nice juicy worm around his neck as well as a couple spinners and maybe a spoon. That's the only way they'll get a bite from any other team. And bite is bit over kill. It would be a nibble.
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And you, nor I know what really transpired. For all we know, Smith had a bad day, Quinn called him out for slacking during practice, and Smith lost it. I've seen worse rage on the road driving home. It's easy for people to lose it. And it probably happens more often in the locker room than we know, it just doesn't always make headlines like every little thing in Cleveland does. Personally, I don't care, I just find it funny that you know very little about a situation, but yet you can place blame. You'd be great on a jury. 
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yet, for all you know, tyler could be right. the main point is many, including yourself, refuse to believe that it's possible for quinn to have been even partially in the wrong.
face it. for as much of a loudmouth smith is, he's still a professional (term used loosely). he is not stupid enough to hit a teammate, let alone the fan-favorite franchise qb. again, why is it that, even after smith's release, NO details come out?
this thing reeks of an organization making a conscious effort to cover this thing up and you can sure as heck bet that they wouldn't do that if smith was in the wrong.
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I am not placing blame!!!!  I am pointing out that usually when you get punched in the face, you play some role in that. And it brings into question just how and why Quinn put himself in that position. It also makes you wonder about BQ's skills dealing with people, especially people with turbulent personalities. I guess I am just looking for reasons why it seems Quinn has fallen out of favor with majority of guys in the locker room. Its odd that people on here just seem to think Brady made some slight gesture and Smith hauled off and punched him in the face. That makes ZERO sense. He obviously said someting and obviously went to far.
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But keep talking about his failed scoring opportunities or his 2/17 or his interceptions or whatever it is you are doing in an attempt to pump up BQ ... and the argument that he needs more time. Since BQ's play was so bad, that argument DOES NOT trump the fact that DA gives us the best chance to win and that's what the goal of the team is ... to win. Consequently, that's why DA's starting.
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Come on Tyler...... DA is the starter....Quinn isn't Quinn was the starter...DA wasn't One has stunk up the joint as much as the other when given the chance. SORRY that is a FAT FACT!!!!!  If you feel DA is the long term answer....even short term (a year or two) you are setting up your self for the belly ache you had when Quinn was under center. I am not saying than Quinn is the answer...he failed. What i am saying is even if DA finishes off the year.....we will see some turn over on the QB position and dont be surprised if both are gone. He has proven his only consistancy is inconsistancy. THAT wont cut it in this league no more than Quinn not being able to stretch a defense.  Dont set your self up croak after the year is over and DA (even if he finished average wise) isn't given the opportunity again next year. 
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I honestly think Mangini will stick with DA over this season and next season. DA isn't as bad as many suppose he is. He has shown more progress than people give him credit for, and he deserves his shot at being the guy over multiple seasons. He played great his first year---the second year the organization was in disarray and yet he still showed flashes---even though defenses supposedly had him figured out by then. DA is a guy that can play QB well enough to have a successful offense. But if guys don't catch the ball, and we have false starts, and the offense misfires in other areas; he isn't going to win the game all by himself. Few QB's can do that. The playcalling and execution have to be working and DA can do his part. But if the offense as a whole comes out and sputters--don't look at him to magically pull a first down out of his shoe.
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Careful dc.....the same might be said about you, except vice versa on the names.
Just saying. I've read many of your posts about da......again, just saying. Maybe you aren't as blatant as tyler, but you do have a bias.
No... I've hoped beyond hope that Derek Anderson WAS the answer... 3 times now. But what he is now, a third of the way through 2009, is the same inconsistent, poor decision maker that he was for 4 games in 2006....
My only "bias" toward Quinn is that I also had hope that he WOULD BE the guy since I'm pretty convinced that DA is not. My only "bias" is that I want SOMEONE to step up and be the guy because I'm tired of this... and it AIN'T DA no matter how badly some people want to believe it can be.
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I'm neither a DA Hater or a Quinn humper,,
Whats the differance?
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What is the total saved on next years cap if Quinn doesnt reach his escalators as a starting QB?
Mangini said hes going to pick a starter a stick with it. He didnt. Im wondering if he figures hes going to lose he might as well save some cap room. I didnt read anything about rebuilding until after the switch.
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CLEVELAND -- Former Cleveland Browns starting quarterback Brady Quinn is looking to move. But his destination remains a mystery.
An industry source confirmed to ESPN.com that Quinn put his Avon Lake, Ohio, home up for sale Tuesday. Although the reason is unknown, the timing is very peculiar considering Quinn lost his starting job to Derek Anderson two weeks ago and the trade deadline is looming on Oct. 20.
According to the industry source, with the struggling economy it could take up to six months or a year to sell upper-end homes in the Cleveland area. The asking price is $775,000 for the five-bedroom, five-bathroom house, which is 4,561 square feet.
Quinn bought the Avon Lake property in June of 2007, just two months after he was drafted in the first round by Cleveland, the source confirmed.
Quinn entered this season as Cleveland's starting quarterback but was benched after 2½ games by Browns head coach Eric Mangini. Quinn threw for 400 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions as the Browns were 0-3 in that span. He has two years left on his current contract with the Browns.
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I wish Quinn played well, because if he did it would be one less hole we would have to fill. But if our current regime doesn't think he capable of being a quality starting QB then he shouldn't be on the team, especially because he probably still sees himself as a starter.
On the flip side, I wish he was given more time to see what he can do. We aren't going anywhere this season, Anderson has games on tape. Quinn has significantly less games on tape.
Anderson is boom or bust. I still don't think we know what Quinn is.
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I still don't think we know what Quinn is.
that may be how he still retains some trade value. it certainly isn't from what he showed in 09 thus far.
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well the bottom line is this....they both have stunk up the joint...
with that said, anderson gives us the best chance to win because he goes downfield...that opens up the running game....that is what wins games....controlling the clock...running the ball
that wasen't happening with quinn...they dared him to go deep, and he wouldn't do it...or he couldn't do it...
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well the bottom line is this....they both have stunk up the joint...
with that said, anderson gives us the best chance to win because he goes downfield...that opens up the running game....that is what wins games....controlling the clock...running the ball
that wasen't happening with quinn...they dared him to go deep, and he wouldn't do it...or he couldn't do it...
Thats the best argument for DA Ive heard. Quinn looked good last year in person when he had a couple weopens in that Denver game.
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j/c i know the house sale thread was moved to the tailgate section but this article holds "pure football" info in addition to the house sale: Quote:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Brady Quinn's home in Avon Lake was listed for sale on Tuesday, according to multiple reports.
The deposed Browns quarterback feels his time with the team is nearing an end. Since being replaced by Derek Anderson, Quinn has been at odds with coach Eric Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, said a source.
Quinn's practice reps have dried up and he has challenged Mangini about his demotion after 2 1/2 games as the Browns' starting quarterback.
Quinn is missing out on about $11 million in salary escalators in his contract by not being on the field for 70 percent of the snaps this season. His is signed through 2011.
The source said that Quinn was weighing whether to formally ask the team to trade him. Some in the league believe the Browns will not pull the trigger on a trade because Quinn's value has plummeted.
The NFL trading deadline is Oct. 20.
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I fell asleepmutiple times during the game and erased it without bothering to watch it.
I would like to hear from Ddubia on his takes regarding drops. GM as well. I think both of these guy have different opinions on our QBs but since they take the time too watch the games over and over I trust their judgment.
At this point I can't comprehend anything but DA sucking. The thing with DA is going 10-17 is a typical type game. He can't afford too many drops because his lack of accuracy.
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I am not placing blame!!!!
I am pointing out that usually when you get punched in the face, you play some role in that.
And it brings into question just how and why Quinn put himself in that position. It also makes you wonder about BQ's skills dealing with people, especially people with turbulent personalities.
I guess I am just looking for reasons why it seems Quinn has fallen out of favor with majority of guys in the locker room.
Its odd that people on here just seem to think Brady made some slight gesture and Smith hauled off and punched him in the face. That makes ZERO sense. He obviously said someting and obviously went to far.
Keep in mind Smith, after he got dumped by the Lions ended up getting suspended for testing positive for chemical maskers.. which very well could mean he is taking steriods.... roid rage can be a tiger..
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If I'm not mistaken, he played for us for awhile after that. And it wasn't until he started arguing with a coach that he got shipped.
So he sounds like an all around good guy who was inticed into taking a swing at his teammate. Oh yeah, and he was also inticed into arguing with his coach. Oh yeah, and you say it's been a staple with him to be called out for not working hard.
I guess considering all that it is pretty hard to imagine that Smith is the trouble maker in any regard whatsoever and that it was his teammate and coach, (and others who've called him out in his illustrious career for being lazy), who must be at fault in their dealings with him.
Now I see the logic in your thinking. For a minute there I thought you were just trying to make BQ look wrong.
My bad.
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My point in bringing up Brady's altercation is that it says something about his character doesn't it?
No, right now it only says something about yours..because you can't stand the guy now all you have is to bring that up ..who got shipped out?
Smith..what happened when he went to the laughing stock of the league?
Got cut..dude has a punk mouth and attitude, and is a joke..
And the fact you want to beat that incident doesn't give you any ringing endorsements..you always think you're making a huge point when all you do is overrate your opinions..and think someone foolish enough will actually buy it.. when the reality is you're more of a spam artist..
At least I can see that clearly BQ is not a viable NFL QB.
At least you can type from a keyboard..if you could actually know anything about BQ you'd know he's not a finished product and yer boy DA pretty much is..now lets see what you have in your little bag of skills that can refute anything ..you've been done from the first post you ever typed..
Rishuz.. let me say this..you wonder why I don't give DA much slack..games like the last two weeks only cement my thoughts on him from two years ago..and youif you've noticed I have added or taken anything away..he is what he is ..he has a low ceiling..the one area I have been watching to see if I was wrong is his football IQ..he doesn't have it..outside of playing ball he may be very bright..but on the field he isn't..if you told DA to get from one down marker to the next, and I don't care how you do it, it would be fine..but when DA has to check the DB's, check the hot reads, go through progressions, look off one side of the field,those things don't take place..
His hot arm means he can take a play thats going to point A..and just throw it..when it should be, look off the other side of the field see where the DB's are roaming and then come back to your intital target if it's there, if not go elsewhere..
Next many posters in here will tell you that a reciever should be ready to catch the ball regardless..well they wouldn't make good coaches at all..QB's with strong arms learn to throw and when to throw balls with touch..especially shorter throws..giving a reciever a good ball that they make some YAC on it..thats Yards After Catch..not having to dive, twist, reach back etc..
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You are probably right.
This team is just exhausting. The whole QB situation is sad. Everything that is happening with Quinn is sad. 1st round pick, hometown boy ... although I've been less than impressed I'll be sad to see him traded ... officially extinguishing any and all hope that we once had.
I don't really care anymore who the QB is or who plays at any of the other positions.
Every year is like deja vu with this team.
Someone wake me when we can consistently put a winning product on the field.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Well with Quinn it's been mishandled as I said..but let me pose a thought..how do Bills fan feel about Trent Edwards?
I doubt many of them are doing backflips over him..so over here we have a former 1st round pick wasting away when we should really be finding out whats up with him..
Get the kid out there and see..
If he's jettisoned out at the tradeline it means the Browns gave up on him and/or Gini felt he just isn't a fit here..if it's he wasn't ready, then I wouldn't understand why you'd move him..
One thing is certain, we'll see it play out..
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Cleveland Browns' Eric Mangini: "We're not looking to move Brady Quinn'' By Mary Kay Cabot
October 14, 2009, 10:41AM
Tracy Boulian, The Plain Dealer Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn, here being hit by the Denver Broncos' Ryan McBean, was lifted in favor of Derek Anderson at halftime of the Browns 34-3 Game 3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens.BEREA, Ohio -- Browns coach Eric Mangini said during his press conference this morning, "We're not looking to move Brady Quinn.'' He said he's talked to Quinn and "He's focused on Pittsburgh.'' Mangini also said, "We get calls all the time that we listen to, but Brady is a Cleveland Brown and it's not anything we're looking to do.''
The question to Mangini about Quinn's status was prompted by growing speculation that Quinn would like to go somewhere where he can start. The trading deadline is next Tuesday at 4 p.m. Quinn's house was put up for sale on Tuesday, fueling speculation that he might be on the move.
Quinn is expected to address the media during the open locker room period on Wednesday. Quinn stands to lose $11 million this season if he doesn't start and finish about 11 games. He's played 2 1/2 games this season, and Mangini has expressed his commitment to Derek Anderson, at least for the time being Linkwell, we will see where it goes from here.... If I woke up tommorrow and heard they traded Quinn it would not suprise me.. I seem to remember Mangini after the Bengals game at the press conference praising Braylon...then shipping him off 48 hours later
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Tracy Boulian, The Plain Dealer Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn, here being hit by the Denver Broncos' Ryan McBean, was lifted in favor of Derek Anderson at halftime of the Browns 34-3 Game 3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens.BEREA, Ohio -- Browns coach Eric Mangini said during his press conference this morning, "We're not looking to move Brady Quinn.'' He said he's talked to Quinn and "He's focused on Pittsburgh.'' Mangini also said, "We get calls all the time that we listen to, but Brady is a Cleveland Brown and it's not anything we're looking to do.''
The question to Mangini about Quinn's status was prompted by growing speculation that Quinn would like to go somewhere where he can start. The trading deadline is next Tuesday at 4 p.m. Quinn's house was put up for sale on Tuesday, fueling speculation that he might be on the move.
Quinn is expected to address the media during the open locker room period on Wednesday. Quinn stands to lose $11 million this season if he doesn't start and finish about 11 games. He's played 2 1/2 games this season, and Mangini has expressed his commitment to Derek Anderson, at least for the time being
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well, we will see where it goes from here.... If I woke up tommorrow and heard they traded Quinn it would not suprise me.. I seem to remember Mangini after the Bengals game at the press conference praising Braylon...then shipping him off 48 hours later
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Quinn is expected to address the media during the open locker room period on Wednesday. Quinn stands to lose $11 million this season if he doesn't start and finish about 11 games. He's played 2 1/2 games this season, and Mangini has expressed his commitment to Derek Anderson, at least for the time being
That right there is why I think Mangini is going with Anderson over Quinn. It has to play some kind of factor. If your going to lose, you might as well save some money not paying Quinn. We starting hearing about this being a rebuilding year right around the time the QB switch was made.
Mangini said he was going to pick a QB and stick with him. He picked the QB that won the preseason battle and didnt stick with him. He brings in DA to start against the easiest defense the Browns have faced this year and they finally moved the ball.
I guess if Quinn wants out, he going to have to go look for Lebrons smallest friend and drop him like a football 
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What + Quinn would get the browns David Carr from the Giants?( I would think maybe our fifth rnd pick we received for B.E. from the Jets) It would seem with Eli's start streak a back up QB in NY would be a similar situation as with Peyton in Indy( Not all that important). I didn't think Carr looked to bad in th Giants-Raiders game.
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I loved Carr at Frenso. Unfortunately for him he played behind a horrible o-line like Couch. The guy has heart and wants to win. I think he would be an upgrade over Anderson. He could make the short throws and he can throw downfield.
But this team has no consistant playmakers that have been there done that. Alot of learning to do from the WRs on this team. A TE that could catch wouldnt hurt. At least put Heidon in every once in a while. Royal aint bad I just dont see why the coaches have this huge man crush on him where they think he is an every down player that can do everything needed from a TE on a consistant basis.
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there's a reason that when a QB develops the yips after playing behind a horrible OL and cannot regain his poise or accuracy, they call it the Couch-Carr Syndrome.
are we really discussing David Carr? As an upgrade?
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He sure looked like an upgrade Sunday. Tho that was not a major accomplishment. Just throwing out ideas.
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I don't believe there is anyway that Quinn gets traded before the deadline. The fact is Anderson has done nothing to guarantee his job is safe. It would be differant if he had come in and played lights out but he didn't. Not even close. We are still debating who will be the future QB of this team.
If DA continues to play the way he has for the past 2 seasons then once Quinn can't hit those incentives in his contract he will be reinserted as the starter to see what we have in him. He needed to play roughly 11 games. He has already played 2 1/2. Now it's just a matter of time. DA has these next couple of games to come out and prove that he is the undoubted QB of the future or we will see Quinn in week 8 or 9.
Personally I don't care which guy does it but I want one of them to step up and take over without leaving any doubt that they are the future.
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That would certainly save us an early pick,... That's what I am most concerned about, and that decision cannot be made before this year is out. Right NOW ?? Today ?? We need a QB.
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New video on that link posted.. Nothing but class.
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