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The more I think about this I tend to think the browns needed a spark....so try Anderson for a while, but that doesn't mean they have written Quinn off the books.
At this point Quinn doesn't look worth the big bonus he would earn if he takes 70% of the snaps, so this is a perfect chance to ride DA for 5-6 games to keep Quinn at his current salary level.
It may have also been a shot to hope DA had a good game or two to help boost his value for the deadline...I doubt that worked, but who knows....maybe teams were calling about Anderson.
I don't mind keeping Quinn, but I don't just want to hand him a huge salary increase. If we are going to get inferior QB play this year, it might as well be with Anderson who is gone after this season and keep Quinn in a manageable salary, and hope maybe next year or later this season he steps in and does better in his second chance.
I am sure Brady doesn't like it, but too bad. I am sure it is something he can overcome.
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IMO the bonuses are a huge part of it..perhaps even Gini felt his team was slipping..but you've seen teams stick with bad play from QB's before...but I feel salary is part of it..
The answer no one knows is whats up with the kid..wonder if that finger is truely healed...U know how things are reveiled after some time..
Or is he just rattled ?
Dude..I'm just tired of putrid QB play..I've seen enough of it for 10 years with this franchise..then I watch other games and see competent QB 's playing..sickening..this new regime needs to get it right..even if they take one in the draft(which I doubt they do with their first pick..I'll explain at another time)..it's time someone gets it right.
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The more I think about this I tend to think the browns needed a spark....so try Anderson for a while, but that doesn't mean they have written Quinn off the books.
I agree, but Quinn has been given opportunities in practice and as a game day starter and has shown very little in both situations. IMO he's going to have to turn the corner on the practice field only before I ever let him walk out on the field during a game again.
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I agree, but Quinn has been given opportunities in practice and as a game day starter and has shown very little in both situations. IMO he's going to have to turn the corner on the practice field only before I ever let him walk out on the field during a game again.
Yes, Anderson has shown us so much more that this debate is dumb. 
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I agree, but Quinn has been given opportunities in practice and as a game day starter and has shown very little in both situations. IMO he's going to have to turn the corner on the practice field only before I ever let him walk out on the field during a game again.
Yes, Anderson has shown us so much more that this debate is dumb.
the only reason why this debate is dumb is because, for some reason, cleveland fans forget that as a group, we're, what, 0-10 in qb choices? the history lesson is to go with the qb the fans DON'T want and you have a better shot of picking a good qb.
ironic that the qb no one ever liked is the qb that had any semblance of success in recent history.
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Posted by Mike Florio on October 15, 2009 11:23 AM ET
Brady Quinn might not be a great NFL quarterback. But he's not stupid.
He'd like to be traded, but he's not going to ask for a trade -- especially since he was born and raised only 100 miles and some change from Cleveland.
So he instead put his house up for sale, and then he has pretended that it wasn't aimed at sending a message or, at a minimum, getting his name into the conversation regarding possible pre-deadline trade bait.
"I'm a guy who doesn't want to drive 30 minutes to the facility every day, I'm a bachelor, I live in a house that's too much upkeep for me,'' Quinn said Wednesday, coming to a realization that should have been obvious when he bought the house more than two years ago. ''It's a private issue.''
And then Quinn played dumb regarding the fact that people might have interpreted the decision of a quarterback who has been benched to put his house up for sale as an indication that the benched quarterback might want out.
''I don't know where that came from. I have not asked to be traded,'' Quinn said. ''That's not my nature to do something like that. I've got a contract here with the Browns and I intend to play that out.''
So he's a team player. He's a good guy. He's doing it the right way.
But he still wants out.
If he were a true team player, he would have been sensitive to the impression that putting his house up for sale two weeks after losing the starting job would have created.
As a league source put it more concisely, "This is Quinn's way of being a bitch."
Whether he gets his way remains to be seen. If he doesn't, he'll continue to act like he never wanted to leave.
Regardless of whether he does.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/15/quinn-wants-out-but-he-wont-say-so/
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I agree, but Quinn has been given opportunities in practice and as a game day starter and has shown very little in both situations. IMO he's going to have to turn the corner on the practice field only before I ever let him walk out on the field during a game again.
Yes, Anderson has shown us so much more that this debate is dumb.
And when Anderson gets hurt? If Manigni start Ratcliff who was outplayed by Bartell in preseason, then Quinn is still sitting. Then I believe Quinn is sitting because of contract escalators. Before anyone argues the point, lets see what happens if DA gets injured.
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I agree, but Quinn has been given opportunities in practice and as a game day starter and has shown very little in both situations. IMO he's going to have to turn the corner on the practice field only before I ever let him walk out on the field during a game again.
Yes, Anderson has shown us so much more that this debate is dumb.
And when Anderson gets hurt? If Manigni start Ratcliff who was outplayed by Bartell in preseason, then Quinn is still sitting. Then I believe Quinn is sitting because of contract escalators. Before anyone argues the point, lets see what happens if DA gets injured.
I'm not gonna wait,  If Ratliff or Bartell are playing better than Quinn, is still about money?
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If we are going to get inferior QB play this year, it might as well be with Anderson who is gone after this season and keep Quinn in a manageable salary, and hope maybe next year or later this season he steps in and does better in his second chance.
Anderson's contract is through the 2010 season.
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It couldn't be because Quinn decided that since he played poorly and lost the starting job that maybe he needed to put in extra time to study and practice and thus decided he needed to move closer to the facility. Naw that makes to much sense.
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It couldn't be because Quinn decided that since he played poorly and lost the starting job that maybe he needed to put in extra time to study and practice and thus decided he needed to move closer to the facility. Naw that makes to much sense.
Doubtful. Quinn has no NFL caliber tools worth any further development or training. We need to see Anderson for the next 3 years because he is Favre-like.
(I should get an A from Derden on that,....)
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It couldn't be because Quinn decided that since he played poorly and lost the starting job that maybe he needed to put in extra time to study and practice and thus decided he needed to move closer to the facility. Naw that makes to much sense.
considering that's all he's done in the off-season and in practice, i find it hard to believe he could work harder than he has.
further, he and mangini have said recently that his snaps at practice are now purely limited to the snaps for the scout team.
so no, that makes no sense at all. this and quinn wearing edwards' cleats after he was traded is the "smart" way to being a turd.
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It couldn't be because Quinn decided that since he played poorly and lost the starting job that maybe he needed to put in extra time to study and practice and thus decided he needed to move closer to the facility. Naw that makes to much sense.
Doubtful. Quinn has no NFL caliber tools worth any further development or training. We need to see Anderson for the next 3 years because he is Favre-like.
(I should get an A from Derden on that,....)
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If Manigni start Ratcliff who was outplayed by Bartell in preseason, then Quinn is still sitting.
Now there's another small move I didn't quite get...Bartell clearly showed more than Rat did in the games.. Oh I know about Ratcliff knowing both coaches blah blah..but I doubt if he was the better QB.
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I still back Quinn.
He has to play in actual games to get better....this season is the perfect season IMO to develop him on a team in rebuilding mode. Find out what you have..see if he is better in Dec. than he was in Sept. You have a 1st year HC...who automatically gets a pass no matter what as its a turnover year...Ride your 1st rounder...see who he can become.
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LOL Of course you do. If I were a Steelers fan, I'd want the Browns to play Quinn also
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LOL Of course you do. If I were a Steelers fan, I'd want the Browns to play Quinn also
Just giving you some lip Hack
I fully expected it as I typed....LOL
The weakness of the Steelers Defense...is the short underneath routes....which from I have read is all Quinn throws....the Steelers drop their coverage deep...keep WR's in front of them...and hope the pass rush gets there....they have been beaten by the dink and dunk style of play.
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but, as with any team we've faced, you drop back in coverage if you believe your opponent has the ability to beat you there.
further, how much of that is the result of not having polamalu in the backfield for you?
if you get troy back, play the short pass, and quinn were in...that'd be a massacre.
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If Manigni start Ratcliff who was outplayed by Bartell in preseason, then Quinn is still sitting.
Now there's another small move I didn't quite get...Bartell clearly showed more than Rat did in the games.. Oh I know about Ratcliff knowing both coaches blah blah..but I doubt if he was the better QB.
I think that Mangini HAD to keep Ratliff because of the draft day trade. Without a solid 2nd or 3rd string QB in that trade, it would amount to highway robbery what the Jets did to us. He had to give "Ratty" a roster spot or that Jets trade would have looked even more comical than it was.
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but, as with any team we've faced, you drop back in coverage if you believe your opponent has the ability to beat you there.
further, how much of that is the result of not having polamalu in the backfield for you?
if you get troy back, play the short pass, and quinn were in...that'd be a massacre.
Fair enough...but thats only half the QB...you have to cover the deep route....does not matter if he gets thrown to or not...you can't just let 3 guys run fly patterns and not cover them.
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Just cause he's not getting practice snaps doesn't mean he can't be putting in extra time in the film room or practicing on his own or staying late with coaches.
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Fair enough...but thats only half the QB...you have to cover the deep route....does not matter if he gets thrown to or not...you can't just let 3 guys run fly patterns and not cover them.
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Actually, you can. If Quinn plays the way he played those first few games, you can keep your deepest safety 10 yards off the line and not worry about getting beat. It's that bad.
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Fair enough...but thats only half the QB...you have to cover the dßep route....does not matter if he gets thrown to or not...you can't just let 3 guys run fly patterns and not cover them.
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Actually, you can. If Quinn plays the way he played those first few games, you can keep your deepest safety 10 yards off the line and not worry about getting beat. It's that bad.
No it's not that bad
There was a time when I thought people were unfair in the opinions of DA. He never deserved all of the unfair blame he got. While he was bad most of the time he wasn't as bad as many tried to make him out to be. Now I feel the same way about Quinn.
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If we could extrapolate Quinn's "bad" over the same allowable amount of time Anderson has been some good, some bad, then maybe we could make a more educated comparison. I'm not saying Quinn is better, and never have. I would agree to having laid unfair blame on Anderson though, and that's mostly because he hasn't won anything yet.
They may both be terrible, but one has had a full chance to get better. That's all any Anderson doubters have asked credence for.
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Is he the answer? Dunno. However, it certainly appears that Quinn is not even close to being the answer.
I guess this is where we differ ytown.. you appear to view DA as the unknown and Quinn as the known... I view DA as the known and Quinn as the unknown.
Right now, if I had to start a QB to win me a game this Sunday and those were my only 2 options  , I'd start DA because I believe he gives me the best chance to do that.
But if I was a young team building pieces for the long term.. then I think I have a much better grasp of where DAs ceiling is and it's not what I want in a long term solution... While BQ showed some promise in a couple games last year, looked decent in preseason, then appears to have gone off the reservations for a couple games this season for whatever reason... I think I'd want to see more of Quinn before making that determination for the long term.
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Agreed.
Like I said, There was a time when I thought many too harsh when it came to DA. Now I think many see him for what he is except for a few who believe he can walk on water. He is really somewhere in the middle. He isn't the worst QB in the league like many made him out to be in the past but he may not be the best QB on this team right now either.
Nobody can know that until the other guy gets some significant time to show what he can do. 2 games isn't nearly enough.
I believe that the men in charge saw the way Quinn was playing and it wasn't the kind of play that deserved the big roster bonus he was going to get. They decided to give DA the chance to prove himself. He has about 6 games to show what he can do. That would mean he has about 4 more and his last effort couldn't have helped his cause.
If he doesn't come out and prove that he is a legitimate starter in this league I think we will see Quinn the rest of the season. The front office needs to know what they have before we go into the offseason. Either way we can't have both of these guys on the team next year.
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There was a time when I thought many too harsh when it came to DA. Now I think many see him for what he is except for a few who believe he can walk on water. He is really somewhere in the middle. He isn't the worst QB in the league like many made him out to be in the past but he may not be the best QB on this team right now either.
I've said this before, but DA is Jake Plummer... Jake played 10 years in the NFL and people kept giving him another chance because once in a while he'd show flashes of brilliance but then he'd rip your heart out.. He did this year after year after year... then he got traded to the Broncos because they saw the same flair for the dramatic.. he did a little better with much better talent, finally had a really solid season in his 9th year.... That is how I see DA's career going to be perfectly honest. He's going to struggle here for a 4 or 5 years, (already in his 3rd), he's going to go somewhere else, if they have more talent he might a solid season or two, then he's done. It's not a bad career, it's nothing to be ashamed of, especially for a UDFA, but it's not what we should be building our team around.
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Plummer wasn't traded, he was a free agent.
Plummer's problem was a result of his own. He was on some horrid Arizona teams. Because of that he thought it was his mission to try to win the game all by himself.
His best year came when Shanahan came in and showed Jake all of his interceptions the year before. Because of that he had like one of the longest streaks of pass attempts w/o an interception. The next year, the team faltered some because Trevor Price left and Al Wilson retired. Heat on Jake Came up because Shanahan drafted Cutler and then thats the story from ther.
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DA will continue to start because he is the better QB---get used to it...
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maybe it wasn't,but man it sure gets old. DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,
DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,DA,
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Hey,, it's america,, he can be obsessed about whatever he wants.. 
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I don't mind the fact he thinks DA is the answer. It's just that he has become the Diam for DA. At some point you have to admit the faults along with the praise or no one can take you seriously. I mean really? The guy thinks DA is the greatest thing walking. We all know who he is and what he can do. Some just want to push a differant spin on his ability.
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