DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum So what QB would you like to have next season and why?

The truth is... no team is perfect, every team has a weakness... I like what Mangini is doing with building the draft picks. The more times you have to pick the more times you have picking out the diamonds in the rough. It's all about just plugging in holes until the holes are reduced.

The way I see it, the team needs a playmaker... An AP or what Steve Smith was to the Panthers. It would personally make the whole team look better. We could've had that with BE but the fool didn't want to play for us...

As for QB... The O-line is not nearly the problem it was with Frye. Yes, an upgrade is needed on the right side... but, you could possibly plug in a QB with the line that we have now.

The one and only QB we should be targeting is Kevin Kolb... Dude could easily come in and produce.

As for Timmah, if he fell to the second round... sure.

JC

I think we all know the kind of QB DA is and will continue to be. Even though I have no special love for Quinn he has not been given a fair shot. He has a crappy coach ( Mangini ) a crappy OC ( Daboll ) and crappy receivers, Stuckey, ROYAL, MoMass, Cribs and if Robo ever finds his uniform he will probably suck too. The college group coming out is not impressive. Tebow is NOT an NFL QB, and switching him to TE is crazy. What I'm saying guys is "we are in trouble", Mangini has taken this team and traded the few players that amounted to anything to the Jets for old and slow and young and bad 2nd teamers.Quinn will probably be gone in the next week so thats 3 1st rounders traded for what? 3rd rounders? I'm not calling for Mangini to be fired because he deserves a shot same as Quinn.

Vince Young if he becomes available somehow.

Seriously?

After work I listened to 1 1/2 hour of the LaVar Arrington Show about how BQ might be traded to the Deadskins

Anybody know how Brian Brohm has looked in GB? I know him and Flynn were in a battle for the backup spot but I didn't really follow it.

I wonder if we decided to bring in another QB next year if we could get him cheap fairly cheap. He is a guy I liked coming out of college but haven't really had the chance to follow him through the NFL.

Sounds like he could be gone soon. He has been awful.

My Packer buddies have told me Brohm has looked pretty awful

Also your sig is beasty!

Hmmm. I thought he woulda been a pretty good QB coming outta college.

I would like to keep who we have and build around them like I said earlier, but if we do decide to go another route I would definately like to try and trade for a QB rather than draft one with our first pick.

That stinks.

I'm sitting here trying to think of Qb's that might have some potential that are stuck in a backup role and Brohm was one of the first names that popped into my head.

Another is Colt Brennan. Man he looked spectacular in pre-season last year. It was only pre-season but he played amazing.


And thx. can't take much credit for it, found a sweet picture and shrunk it, touched up the lighting, color and added some txt but most of the hard work was laready done.

I dont want a QB in FA. But heres a story for those of you who would want one in the draft. I dont like Notre Dame or USC but I will be watching to see what Clausen can do against USCs defense.

If the Browns do go QB in next years draft, I hope they at least wait until the 2nd round.

Stop living in denial: Get used to Clausen as No. 1
Oct. 12, 2009
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12353023




Under the radar, flying where no Notre Dame quarterback has flown before, Jimmy Clausen is the top-rated in college football.

I know, I know. That sentence is startling in about five different places, starting with the very first words. Under the radar? The quarterback at Notre Dame? Over the years, Catholic guilt or the media machine or the pope or Beano Cook made sure the quarterback at Notre Dame had more hype than anyone. Four Notre Dame quarterbacks have won the Heisman, including Paul Hornung, the only winner from a losing team. Notre Dame was a lowly 2-8 in 1956, so what Herculean numbers did Hornung put up to win the Heisman over a field that included Johnny Majors and Jim Brown? He, um, ran for 420 yards. And he threw for 917 yards. All season. Yeesh.

Whether it was Hornung winning the Heisman or Ron Powlus being anointed (by Cook) as a multiple Heisman winner before playing his first game at Notre Dame or unimpressive Tony Rice almost winning the Heisman in 1989 or Joe Theismann changing the pronunciation of his name to rhyme with Heisman ... the quarterback at Notre Dame has been, historically speaking, the most overrated player in college football.

Key word in that last sentence: Historically.

History changes, and we've moved into a different era. The media has changed. Catholic guilt and the pope have lost their influence. So has Beano Cook. After years of getting more TV time, headlines and awards than his play deserved -- whoever he was -- the quarterback at Notre Dame no longer has the wind at his back. Now the wind is in his face, and it's a wet wind. From everyone spitting at him.

Which is why I'm sticking up for Jimmy Clausen, even if he has made some major tactical errors over the years. He's the guy who committed to Notre Dame in 2006 and was so impressed with himself that he held the commitment ceremony at the College Football Hall of Fame. Clausen showed up in a stretch Hummer limousine. Full of himself? You could say that.

Notre Dame has had a lot of great recruits over the years -- combine the words "Parade All-American" and "verbal commitment" and "Notre Dame" and watch it rain hyperbole -- but nothing like Clausen. He was showing up just as Brady Quinn was leaving for the NFL, and less than two years after Charlie Weis had descended to South Bend and gone 19-6 in his first two seasons with the Irish. Clausen was Weis' first superstar quarterback recruit.

It was the perfect storm of hype, and we pretty much rebelled against it. The media rebelled. Blogs. Radio shows. Fans. And then when the games began in 2007 and Clausen was overmatched that first season -- like most true freshman quarterbacks are overmatched that first season -- we rejoiced. Full of yourself now, Jimmy?

And then we turned the page. All of us did.

And we missed a hell of a story. Because Jimmy Clausen has become the best passer in college football.


Jimmy Clausen is completing 67.6 percent of his passes and has a passer rating of 179.25. (Getty Images)
Did I say "the best quarterback"? I did not. Florida's Tim Tebow can't throw like Clausen, but he can run and lead and make speeches. Texas' Colt McCoy is a smaller, sleeker Tebow. Neither is a better passer than Clausen, but you could make the argument that they're a better quarterback. Nationally, there is no argument. Last year's three Heisman finalists were Tebow, McCoy and eventual winner Sam Bradford of Oklahoma. All returned this season, and they have plenty of quarterback company jockeying for Heisman position this season: Cincinnati's Tony Pike, Kansas' Todd Reesing, Arkansas' Ryan Mallett, Miami's Jacory Harris ...

There are some fabulous quarterbacks in college football.

None of them throws the football better than the guy at Notre Dame.

This is not an easy position for me to take. All that stuff about the arrogance of Clausen and the hype of Notre Dame? That was me three years ago. Clausen stepped out of that Hummer limo in 2006 and I despised him for it. I might even have written a few words about it at the time. Did I take some glee in his early struggles? It's possible. And I wasn't the only one, believe that.

But stories change. Clausen isn't the overmatched freshman of 2007 putting up putrid numbers like a 56.3 completion percentage or a 7-to-6 ratio of touchdowns to interceptions or a 103.85 passer rating that would rank No. 102 in the country this season.

Nor is he the solid sophomore of 2008: 60.9 completion percentage, 25 touchdowns and 17 interceptions, and a 132.5 passer rating (would be 57th nationally this season).

Nope. Clausen has blossomed into an absolute stud. He is completing 67.6 percent of his passes. He averages 315 passing yards per game. He has 12 touchdowns. Just two interceptions. And his passer rating of 179.25?

It leads the country.

Clausen deserves every bit of praise normally afforded the quarterback at Notre Dame -- only, he's not getting it. And neither is Notre Dame. The Irish don't deserve a spot in the BCS title conversation, but at 4-1 with a loss only in the final seconds at Michigan, they deserve better than the No. 25 ranking in both major polls this week.

And Clausen deserves a place in the Heisman Trophy ballot. I mean, high up the ballot -- maybe on that line next to the No. 1. He has led Notre Dame to a series of close victories, and in the fourth quarter (and overtime) he has gone 29 for 45 for 396 yards and four touchdowns. No interceptions.

Clausen is on pace to throw for almost 3,800 yards, 29 touchdowns and five picks. Those are Heisman numbers, and not just because he plays at Notre Dame, where Angelo Bertelli won the Heisman over Otto Graham in 1943, and where Johnny Lujack won over Doak Walker, Bobby Layne and Chuck Bednarik in 1947, and where John Huarte won the Heisman over Dick Butkus in 1964.

Jimmy Clausen has Heisman numbers because he's the top-rated quarterback in college football. Whether you like it or not.

I'm hoping we don't go QB with our #1 overall (which I'm assuming we will probably have). I think there are more pressing needs RT, LB, S for starters. However, if Tebow is lingering late in the 2nd/3rd, he's a guy that can make plays happen.

The argument that his game doesn't translate to the NFL isn't one I buy into. BQ's game supposedly was going to make him an NFL superstar and we've seen how that turned out.

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So, we drafted Quinn to replace Frye, then the dummy held out.

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I see this every once in a while and it still amazes me when I see it.

A couple of things come to mind, here.......To begin with, it wasn't that long a hold out. 10 days I believe. We're not talking Crabtree time. 10 days is not that much to overcome. If you have the coaching and the talent around you. Quinn really had neither for the most part.

Secondly, why are the Browns always left off scott free when we talk about a hold out? If they really wanted Quinn in on time they could have negotiated earlier and harder. Nope, I think they thought that Frye and DA would be good enough for a year or two then Quinn would take over. So they negotiated like there was no big hurry. They were partially right, I guess.

Anyway, just wanted to throw that in. I just get so tired of people blaming anything to do with this QB mess on a holdout that occurred 2.5 years ago. A lot of things led up to this mess with a lot of people assisting in the debacle. The hold out was the least of the elements, IMO.

Pure spec on my part,...we even don't know if RAC would have started Quinn right away, so why get busted up about it. All I'm saying is that if he HAD, it would be another reason to not be "having this discussion" because it would be over. That he heldout wasn't a reason he didn't start ? Doubtful,...IMO.

i'm only speaking for others but i don't think it's the duration of the hold out that was upsetting. it was the news that the reason for the hold out was for as little as 500k in performance escalators. it's a very small thing given the excalators set in place based on number of snaps that he was very likely to get due to being the franchise.

you're right though, this has nothing to do with the holdout. the argume is potential vs what we've seen on the field.

The ironic thing is that they fought so hard for those escalators because they fully expected Quinn to be entrenched as the starter by now ........

However, I still say that if Quinn had been in camp from the start ..... played in all 4 pre-season games ...... hit every practice from the start ...... and showed a modest amount of ability to handle the pro game starting with the 1st pre-season game .... that he very well might have been the choice to replace Frye when he imploded.

I absolutely positively agree to that... because if you remember at that time, almost all fans (and I have to believe those in the organization as well) believed that whether it was Frye or Anderson that started was irrelevant, it was Quinns when he wanted it. So if Quinn had been ready, one of two things would have happened, he would have replaced Frye at that point or they would have just given Frye another week or two then given it to Quinn... And Quinn would have had a LONG grace period to overcome his issues.

i have no link that would be allowed, but there has been speculation that Quinn's finger isn't right, and hasn't been.

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This is a load of bs

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You are right about Philly,, my bad,,but the rest of your comments about Giants, Denver, Pittsburgh and NE are just a bit skewed..

None.

1st Berry
2nd RT
2nd RB
3rd LB / best player availible

I watched a lot of the Cincy game against S.Florida..ehhh..Pike was unimpressive..

j/k


My opinon....We keep the QB's we have and address other areas.

1. Improve our Running game bye drafting or signing a younger RB,

2. Improve the right side of our O-Line

3. improve our defence thru the draft E.Berry or FA.

A running Game a solid o-line & a good defence and put our QB into a better position not to have to win the game week in & week out. Take the presure off the Qb by improving these areas and we can be competetive.

Just my .02

While that will help, if the QB's we don't have the ability to use upgrades all around we still won't get consistant production.
The Browns still IMO will have to bring in a new QB in the offseason.

Pretty sure Eli has already signed a long term contract. ???

Ben Roth...he gets on the market...Give anything and everything for HIM!!!

But I don't see the Steelers doing that - Oh if they wanted a complete fresh start they would FRANCHISE him and get 2 first round picks from anyone signing him...I don't think we would do that???

This leaves the draft.

1. prior to or after we make our pick...we trade our most trade able QB who ever that may be...DA or BQ

2. draft a QB will state who later.

3. Start the QB remaining DA or BQ...of course if the Rookie progresses above expectations and is ready...PLAY HIM!

4. 2011 will be the year of M/K to make a run at the Playoffs and a Championship!
With their QB!! If we are not in a playoff hunt at the end of 2010 expect the rookie to get some valuable starts (maybe 5).

Who?

I'll give two...just a note due to the injuries I expect Bradford to return to OK for his Sr. year - and be the overall #1 pick in 2011.

Here are the prospects... * signify Jrs. that should be coming in the draft. Compiled by Great blue north:

QB
*Sam Bradford, 6-4, 225, Oklahoma
Tim Tebow, 6-3, 245, Florida
Colt McCoy, 6-3, 210, Texas
Tim Hiller, 6-4, 230, Western Michigan (XKa)
Zac Robinson, 6-3, 220, Oklahoma State
*Jevan Snead, 6-3, 215, Mississippi
*Colin Kaepernick, 6-5, 215, Nevada
Dan LeFevour, 6-3, 225, Central Michigan
Rusty Smith, 6-5, 230, Florida Atlantic
Ryan Perriloux, 6-2, 230, Jacksonville State (O)
Andy Schmitt, 6-3, 240, Eastern Michigan
Greg Alexander, 6-2, 230, Hawai'i
Chris Turner, 6-3, 220, Maryland
Joe Cox, 6-1, 210, Georgia
*Case Keenum, 6-0, 210, Houston
Tony Pike, 6-5, 225, Cincinnati
Donovan Porterie, 6-2, 210, New Mexico
Max Hall, 6-1, 200, BYU
Bill Stull, 6-2, 215, Pittsburgh
Darryl Clark, 6-2, 235, Penn State
Sean Canfield, 6-4, 220, Oregon State (XSh)
Kyle Reed, 6-3, 215, San Jose State (XF)
Todd Reesing, 5-10, 200, Kansas
Juice Williams, 6-2, 235, Illinois
Lyle Moevae, Oregon State (XSh)
Jarrett Brown, 6-3, 220, West Virginia
Tyler Sheehan, 6-3, 225, Bowling Green
Levi Brown, 6-3, 225, Troy
Tavita Pritchard, 6-3, 215 Stanford
Joe Webb, 6-3, 220, Alabama-Birmingham (WR)
Matt Grothe, 6-0, 208, South Florida
Riley Skinner, 6-1, 205, Wake Forest
Arklelon Hall, 6-3, 225, Memphis (XTh)
Billy Cundiff, 6-2, 215, Ashland
Daniel Rauabuagh, 6-4, 230, Miami (Ohio)
Jonathan Crompton, 6-3, 230, Tennessee
Thaddeus Lewis, 6-1, 200, Duke
Noah Shephard, 6-2, 225, South Dakota
Chris Jacquemain, 6-2, 215, Akron
Cameron Dantley, 6-1, 220, Syracuse
Dominic Randolph, 6-2, 225, Holy Cross
Alex Opelt, 6-2, 225, Toledo (XSh)
Armanti Edwards, 5-11, 185, Appalachian State (WR)
Corey Leonard, 6-1, 210, Arkansas State
John Skelton, 6-5, 260, Fordham
Karsten Sween, 6-2, 230, Wyoming
Matt Nichols, 6-2, 220, Eastern Washington
Dustin Sherer, 6-3, 220, Wisconsin
Theo Scott, 6-1, 210, Ohio
Curtis Pulley, Florida A&M
Andrew Robinson, 6-3, 225, Syracuse
Billy Tapp, 6-4, 230, Mississippi
Danny Sullivan, 6-3, 242, Arizona State
Chris Todd, 6-3, 215, Auburn
Bryant Lee, 6-2, 195, Southern
Paul McCall, 6-1, 205, Florida International
Mike Kafka, 6-2, 215, Northwestern (XC)
Sebastian Trujillo, 6-2, 225, San Diego
Joey Elliott, 6-2, 215, Purdue
Kevin Craft, 6-3, 215, UCLA
Jameel Sewell, 6-2, 225, Virginia
Brian Babin, 6-3, 225, Southeastern Louisiana
Tyson Lee, 5-10, 200, Mississippi State
Jabu Lovelace, 6-2, 215, Rutgers
Grant Stucker, 61, 210, Colorado State
Patrick Pinkney, 6-0, 200, East Carolina
Boo Jackson, 6-0, 200, Ohio
Andrew Krewatch, 6-3, 225, Indiana (Pa)
Rob Kass, 6-3, 235, East Carolina
Andrew Beam, 6-3, 230, Bowling Green
Kevin Lopina, 6-2, 235, Washington State
Mackenzi Adams, 6-2, 215, Vanderbilt
Trevor Harris, 6-2, 212, Edinboro
Will Hudgens, 6-3, 235, Memphis (X/FB)
Brendan Gaskins, 6-3, 215, BYU
Brett Toney, 6-0, 190, Memphis
Greg Paulus, 6-1, 185, Syracuse (DB/WR)
Kellen Lewis, 6-1, 185, Valdosta State (WR/O)

First rounder...also pending where we end up...got a feeling it won't be in the top 5. McCoy will be GONE!

TEBOW...So many talk about him being a bust. The kid is a winner - He's Coachable, He can make things happen and is accurate in the pocket and on the run. He also could run Draws near the Goal Line and just give Defenses fits, similar to how big n strong BenR does for the Steelers. I do think he would prosper with a ONE year learning period. But the kid is a Champion Football player, I think its his destiny.

I also like the prospects of Jevon Snead and he might deserve further looks (possibly early 2nd round)

Late round Investement...

I just LOVE Todd Reesing of Kansas...sure he's 5'11" but I am a stickler for ACCURACY...and that kid is ONE HECK of an ACCURATE QB. I really like him.

On that list of FA QBs...I really wouldn't mind getting Troy Smith again I like his accuracy. But I think I might become a Tebow Pimp...too early to tell. But the only thing that might get me off of his band wagon is if he becomes spoiled goods. Man they are abusing the crap out of him!!! I hate college in that aspect...just 4 years of MEAT...put them through the grinder...who cares!

JMHO

Big Ben has like a 7 year contract.

And Colt McCooy a top 5 pick? He may not even be a first rounder.

There are two QB's I'd think about taking in the first. Jake Locker and Jimmy Clausen.

I would be surprised if Locker came out. This is his only 2nd full year starting quarterback. I remember his freshman year he was more of a runner than passer. THere are some games where he barely completes more than 50% of his passes. Even this year he's only at 57%. I'm sorry but no way would I spend a top 10 pick on a guy that is still learning, and very unpolished. I do agree on Clausen. He is light years ahead of Locker as far as I'm concerned.

He runs a pro style offense and has greatly improved. Sam Bradford knows all too well to come out when your stock is high. I think Locker and Clausen are both gonna declare.

We'll see. I just don't think his resume as of right now merits a top 10 pick. Guy has 6 wins in his career. Not all his fault, but that's something Gm's look at. You know parcells wants 23.

Gotta agree to disagree here, but I think he will be a top 10 pick. Maybe even higher.

Colt McCoy has looked bad so far this year. Just say no.

I'd take a flyer on the best guy left after the 4th round or so, maybe later.

Find a FA QB capable of decent play until we build the D and O which should be somewhere around 2016 give or a take a year!

Rothlisberger signed a ten year contract extension making him a Squeelter for life...not sure where the info came from...