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It leave open the possibility a strong hire is near.
Ok, so let's think about who's available and possible candidates...
I'd have to assume Lerner wants a Parcells or Accorsi type.
Former tenured coaches with success who may be done with the daily grind of coaching, but could run the team as a GM -
Holmgren... Shanahan... Cowher... Marty... Dungy?
I have to believe Lerner wants someone in here now to start reviewing the roster and preparing for the draft.
This is going to be an interesting week in Berea... And one they HAVE to get right. I can't take it anymore... 
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I admire your tenacity.
Your reading comprehension leaves alot to be desired tho.
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I realize that you probably don't want to hear from me, but this situation is awful. Cleveland fans deserve so much more than Mangini/Kokinis. Hoping that some better decisions are made soon, and that the Browns are competitive again.
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To me there is only one guy out there that has the credentials in knowing what it takes to make a winner and recognizing talent. And that person is Marty.
To me he is the only clear cut choice serving in the same role that Parcells does for Miami.
Everybody loves Marty and Marty mentioned it would be real interesting if he was a President and Cowher the coach, which would be amazing but unlikely. If I remember right other than that possibility Marty pretty much said he wasn't coming back to football.
Yeah I remember all of that but for the sake of this franchise Randy better offer him a real sweet deal. Hell I would even go as far as offering the guy a stake in ownership.
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Nope. Lerner did through Ernie's advice. But the problem was, Koko didn't like playing Pioli to Mangini's Belicheck and quit doing his job. This would effect Browns on gameday, ESPECIALLY offensively. Starting to get a little clear?
Lerner deserves the blame. Mangini may be a power monger, but he was not treated fairly. If Lerner didn't understand Mangini's contentions, he should have never hired him.
What? The failed schemes we see on Sunday are direct results of Mangini's Coaching hires. Daboll was brought along with him immediately after he was hired and Kokinis had nothing to do with that hiring. Kokinis doesn't decidre which QB plays, Mangini did/does. You are drunk if you think Mangini did not decide the final 53 man roster.
Besides if Kokinis did quit then it means that Mangini is even more responsible for this mess as he was making all the decisions solo.
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Nope. Lerner did through Ernie's advice. But the problem was, Koko didn't like playing Pioli to Mangini's Belicheck and quit doing his job. This would effect Browns on gameday, ESPECIALLY offensively. Starting to get a little clear?
WTF?  What has Koko or Pioli to do ESPECIALLY with offense? Man you'Re the worst apologist I may have ever encountered
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Mangini never wanted Koko.
Mangini HIRED Kokinis.
Nope. Lerner did through Ernie's advice. But the problem was, Koko didn't like playing Pioli to Mangini's Belicheck and quit doing his job. This would effect Browns on gameday, ESPECIALLY offensively. Starting to get a little clear?
Lerner deserves the blame. Mangini may be a power monger, but he was not treated fairly. If Lerner didn't understand Mangini's contentions, he should have never hired him.
If your "theory" is correct, then why in the world did Lerner hire Mangini before Kokinis? Why didn't he hire Kokinis and then let him select his head coach?
Here's what happened. Lerner heard Mangini was available. He interviewed him and fell in love. He hired him. Then Mangini said he would like Kokinis as GM. So he hired him, too. Kokinis thought he'd wind up having more power (and should have if you look at his contract) than he actually did. So he was miserable and pretty much stopped working. When Lerner found out, he was canned.
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Anyone worth a lick, will most likely get rid of Mangina next year. Godspeed
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I will say that if there is a full out coaching change next year I hope that the new coaching staff chooses to retain our special teams coach (name slips me at the moment) and Rob Ryan. I really like what Ryan has done with the defense this year, if we had a little more talent and an offense that could do ANYTHING I think our defense could be something special.
I agree with the special teams coach cause our special teams our amazing. Also I would be okay with Rob Ryan staying. Unless Wade Phillips, Rex Ryan, or Dick LeBeau became available as DCs.
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My Theory,
Lerner realized there might be a problem and watches the Browns game.
The next day he mobilizes the front office, coaching staff, and Bernie to watch a replay of the Aston Villa vs. Everton game. He knows Everton have been beset with injuries and are ripe for the picking which will lift his mood.
Once Everton scores, Kokinis (a closet Everton fan) can't help himself and jumps out of his chair. Beer spills all over. Aston Villa loses two more points in the EPL race and Lerner goes ballistic. Kokinis starts singing "We are Superior, Down with the Villa"
Lerner decides he's finally crossed the line and something must be done.
That's my theory and I stand by it.
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I will say that if there is a full out coaching change next year I hope that the new coaching staff chooses to retain our special teams coach (name slips me at the moment) and Rob Ryan. I really like what Ryan has done with the defense this year, if we had a little more talent and an offense that could do ANYTHING I think our defense could be something special.
I agree with the special teams coach cause our special teams our amazing. Also I would be okay with Rob Ryan staying. Unless Wade Phillips, Rex Ryan, or Dick LeBeau became available as DCs.
I dunno man LeBeau is the only one I can't argue with but I think if you put Rob Ryan on any of those teams Phillips or Rex coached there wouldn't be much drop off, if any.
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IMO the guy to go get is Holmgren....
I couldn't agree more!
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Guys, guys. Mangini was NOT hired before Koko in all sense of reality. Ernie advised that Mangini/Koko would make a good team BEFORE Mangini was even fired from the Jets.
But Koko was still with the Ravens and they were in the playoffs. So we didn't get him as quick.
Lets remember, bad journalism said that "Mangini rec'd Koko in his interview" is dead wrong. We all know now it was Ernie that rec'd him. He also rec'd Mangini. But Koko couldn't handle that Mangini had the power and he wanted to be more than a Pioli(and Pioli wanted more than Pioli as well) himself.
My guess is now Ernie comes in as Team President and we hire a "Pioli" for Mangini. If Mangie fails to turnaround the team next year, he is gone and Lerner is gone.
Maybe we don't want Mangini to succeed lol.
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Crazy that Koke was fired.
i agree with you Hack, I would LOVE Holmgren..he is a very smart and bright fellow, much smarter then the average Bear
I could easily sit back 5 years and let Holmgren build here...atleast this team would have a clear direction with Holmgren...
Holmgren may be able to salvage Quinn or Anderson as well...
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From what I've heard, Accrosi seems to be Lerner's man.
you had a good run Hank.
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Didn't Accorsi have a good stint here back in the day with Marty?
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ESPN just reported that Kok was picked by Mangini. Case closed.
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Didn't Accorsi have a good stint here back in the day with Marty?
GM from 85-92 and then went to the Giants.
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ESPN just reported that Kok was picked by Mangini. Case closed.
We all knew that, spoonfed is apparently one of Mangini's young children sticking up for his father, you can't blame the little guy he loves his dad.
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Ok just to show the real facts and not the remnants of bull grazing you have mentioned. But Mangini was hired before Kokinis.
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The Cleveland Browns announced that the club hired Eric Mangini to become the 12th full-time head coach in franchise history on January 8, 2009.
Mangini Hire Date 1/8/9
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George Kokinis was named the Cleveland Browns’ general manager on January 23, 2009. He brings 18 years of front office experience to the organization, including the last 13 with the Baltimore Ravens, the final six of which he served as director of pro personnel.
Kokinis Hire Date 1/23/9
As to your 'and Lerner will be gone'. Do you understand the dynamics of team ownership? Are you really mangini, or his wife or kid because you are defending him with outrageous claims or theories when the evidence is coming to light showing he is more culpable than even django would accuse him of being. 
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I have already used it but my mind is still stained with the disgust of reading that nonsense,
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What does your post say? I have you on ignore.
Good idea though. spoon is obviously got some twisted take on reading the sky is blue, but he reads that its a technicolor dreamcoat color.
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PFT says Kokinis fired "with cause," which is initially reported by FOX's Jay Glazer. Here's the link: Kokinis Fired With Cause The Browns have also issued a statement, which is below: "Cleveland Browns general manager George Kokinis is no longer actively involved with the organization. In response to rumors and reports that Kokinis was escorted out of the building today, the Browns deny those reports. In the interest of protecting the parties involved we will withhold further comment."
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"With Cause", "escorted from the building"?
Something had to have happened here. Something major, wonder what it was exactly.
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j/c New Herald says Accorsi is our GM... Sources: Browns GM Kokinis out, Ernie Accorsi in George Kokinis was fired Monday as general manager and escorted from Browns headquarters, according to league sources. The Browns are not confirming the reports. Hours later, sources said Ernie Accorsi was hired as the team's GM. The move is a blast from the past for Browns' fans. Accorsi was the Browns' GM from 1985 to 1992. He also served as GM of the Colts from 1982 to 83, and also worked in the Giants' front office from 1994 to 2004, including a stint as New York's GM from 1998 and on. In 2004, he spearheaded a trade to get No. 1 pick Eli Manning from the Chargers. Kokinis has been on the hot seat for more than three weeks, the source said. The ax falls one day after Browns owner Randy Lerner said he plans on hiring a strong football personality to run the Browns. The firing comes at the start of the bye week. Kokinis was hired Jan. 23 at the urging of Browns coach Eric Mangini. Lerner has said Mangini's job is safe for now. More to come as details become available. Tuesday's print editions will have a full report.
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That development deserves a new thread, IMO. sorry refs if you disagree. ummmm we still have refs, right? 
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Wow, talk about swift.
That had to be in the works prior to Lerner going off yesterday.
Good to see we have EXPERIENCE in the front office now. Now work TOGETHER with the head coach, but have control of the team.
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Wow I like this hire. I didn't think we could get Ernie to come back. If this is true this is the best hire the Browns have had since rebirth. I trust Ernie to do what is right........especially on draft day.
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the cleveland news station wkyc says bernie will be the new Gm in time. Accorsi to mentor him.
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LOL dunno if he'd be any good as a GM, but Bernie sure knows how to come in, see what's up and and kick some ass. 
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Smart move by the Browns. I love Bernie, but want someone to make sure he knows what he is doing. I also think this could mean that Mangini might get to stay into next season...........as coach. He will not be a big voice on draft day, and that is HUGE. He will also not be running the organization with an iron fist anymore.
I trust Accorsi more than anyone we've ever hired to this point, and to have him be the guy that mentors Bernie is a big deal, because it means Bernie is learning from one of the best.
I know the season sucks guys, but this is a very big 1st step in the right direction for our Browns.
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Please tell me this Bernie and Accorsi stuff isn't true.
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Smart move by the Browns. I love Bernie, but want someone to make sure he knows what he is doing. I also think this could mean that Mangini might get to stay into next season...........as coach. He will not be a big voice on draft day, and that is HUGE. He will also not be running the organization with an iron fist anymore.
I trust Accorsi more than anyone we've ever hired to this point, and to have him be the guy that mentors Bernie is a big deal, because it means Bernie is learning from one of the best.
I know the season sucks guys, but this is a very big 1st step in the right direction for our Browns.
It's only good if Mangini goes as well, his complete mismanagement of this team in preparation as well as game day adjustments proves he is not HC material, especially considering the potential for so many legitimate Head Coaches that may be available at years end.
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I think Accorsi stays throughout the rest of the season to "mentor" Kosar. I'm not sure if he stays longer than that, but it's nice to have him on board.
I like mentoring Kosar and grooming him to be the next GM.
My concern, however, is scouting. Was Kokinis in charge of the scouting department? Did he do nothing? Are these guys even scouting at all? This is a pretty important draft, and I'd hope that someone can step in and right the ship in regards to recruiting. Accorsi's been out of that for a while, and Kosar has no experience with it. That concerns me.
Other than that, it's nice to have Accorsi involved. Not sure if that's good or bad news for Mangini. I'm sure if and when Kosar takes over, he'll do an evaluation based on his encounters with Mangini, as well as the results on the field.
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Who knows, maybe Accorsi is in for longer than just to be an interim for half a season? Or maybe he'll just keep the seat warm for whoever they hire this off-season.
I can't imagine Kosar as GM in 2010, I'd be skeptical to say the least of that turning out well.
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