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Did anyone catch WKNR this morning? Apparently, the Dawgpound Mike guy gave a recap of his meeting with Lerner this morning. I missed it, and can't find any story on how it went.
Just curious as to what the guy had to say about the meeting. Probably nothing substantial, but it would be nice to get his thoughts on what the heck is going on, since he just met with the only person that knows.
Video from DP Mike about Meeting w/ Lerner
 Dawgpound Mike for telling Lerner how the teams history needs to be displayed at the field and how fans should be allowed to stand and cheer without being thrown out. You my friend get a huge barkout WOOF WOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They obviosley go to other stadiums and see how much opposing fans are having fun and having their history displayed. I remember Edwards saying how the team had a boring mega scoreboard. As much as I disliked Braylon Edwards comments I agreed with him there. There is just so much that needs to be done with this team and not just the players and coaches.
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What does this Dawgpound Mike guy do for a living? I'm glad he's "getting our voices heard". But geeze... meetings with the owner, traveling everywhere with the team, expensive Fry suits, on talk shows, etc...
Oh well, I feel bad for mobile dawg though. He kind of just sits there and nods once an awhile.
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I was wondering what Mobile Dawg was doing...he just kinda stood there and spit a little.
 I caught that too... I was like, did he just spit at the camera?
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I have no problem with Holmgreen as Pres. I think he would do a good job of finding the right HC and GM combo. All with the same philosophy in mind.
Until someone else comes up with a better qualified individual than Mike Holmgren, he would be my #1 choice to fill the executive VP position, running the football operations.
Holmgren has done it all and knows the NFL inside and out taking two different franchises to the Super Bowl. I've read that Holmgren intends to return to football in 2010 and in what capacity, HC or front office is not known at this time.
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What does this Dawgpound Mike guy do for a living?
His Mom was Randy's babysitter???  Hell if I know is that where he gets his money?
seriously he's at every game, I saw him in AZ last yr & in Miami before
he tries to get on TV everygame
But just about every stadium has a ring of honor GB,AZ,Dallas etc
Hell didn't Mangini hav'em take down that mural of the old guys in the tunnel to lockerroom. Which we only got a 30 sec. video of why didn't they put 1 up on concourse somewhere
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Toad, as a HC, I'd have NO PROBLEM whatsoever with Holmgren.. NONE
As a GM, I dunno.., I suppose worse things could happen. If we hit good with him like Miami did with Parcells,,, terrific.. I'd love it.
But as I said, I don't see a long line of Successful HC's that have moved up to be Successful GM's.
What makes a successful GM? Whats more impressive on a resume, than a TE...a scout...whatever Garcia did in Miami U?
I think right now, hiring Holmgreen to do anything, would bring respectabilty to this franchise. He could be hired as a GM, look over the roster, and possibley name himself as head coach. Possibley hire someone after that to help with the roster.
We have our fans saying "this team is almost as dysfunctional then Oakland."
And Oakland fans saying vice versa. Holmgreen would bring immediate respectability to this team. From the media to the fans and possibley to the players and agents. Yeah, we might not care how the agents think of our team, but it might mean the differance of a player coming here or not. Some agents have a thing or 2 to do with where the players go in the draft.
Butch, at the time, gave us immediate respectabiltiy. I think Savage and Romeo gave us respectability - at least likeability. The allmighty Chris Berman even stopped dissing us every chance he got.
Are we looking for immediate respectability from this hire? Is that what you want? Need?
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Hell didn't Mangini hav'em take down that mural of the old guys in the tunnel to lockerroom.
I remember getting blasted for wondering why Mangini would do that and not just let it be. I was getting the "who cares as long as he gets wins!" Lecharles Bentley even brought this up in regards to Mangini. I just didnt see why a coach needs to waste time covering up history especially when he has none of his own.
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Hell didn't Mangini hav'em take down that mural of the old guys in the tunnel to lockerroom.
Mangini took it down from the locker room.
He also had it re done in a more prominent place - where, I don't remember.
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j/c Interesting tidbit.....Kokinis' father was Mangini's wrestling coach in high school. Not that this has anything to do with anything.
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Hell didn't Mangini hav'em take down that mural of the old guys in the tunnel to lockerroom.
Mangini took it down from the locker room.
He also had it re done in a more prominent place - where, I don't remember.
It was repainted in the lobby. I've seen it and it's amazingly well done.
There is a lot to blast Mangini on, but he did that one right.
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Are we looking for immediate respectability from this hire? Is that what you want? Need?
I dont need anything. Im just talking about the team and speaking my mind. I wouldnt be disappointed about immediate respectability. as of now the team dont have much. I agree with you that Romeo brought respectability. Butch?..... maybe from you but not in NFL circles. I think Holmgreen would bring more than just respectability. I think with his respectibility and lifetime experiance in the NFL, his hire to any position on the team would benefit the team and be a step in the right direction IMO
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Hell didn't Mangini hav'em take down that mural of the old guys in the tunnel to lockerroom.
Mangini took it down from the locker room.
He also had it re done in a more prominent place - where, I don't remember.
It was repainted in the lobby. I've seen it and it's amazingly well done.
There is a lot to blast Mangini on, but he did that one right.
I dont think that was the plan from the beggining though. I think he put it up after he got questioned for it. I remember seeing Lecharles Bentley on STO a few weeks back and he was saying that he didnt think Jim Brown liked the fact that Mangini covered up the mural of Jim Brown with white paint. Just a former players perspective on the subject.
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To make changes 9 months into a regime is unprecedented.
The only one I can even think of that is relatively close is when the Dolphins fired Cam Cameron after his first season was over.
But he was only the head coach. But, he was hired by Randy Mueller, who was fired, by Bill Parcells.
So the GM was fired by a President who was hired to get things under control. Then the President hired his own GM (Jeff Irelend), that then fired the coach (Cameron.) And hired his own guy (Tony Sparano.)
Does that make any sense? Anyway, I hope or situation plays out similarly.
Wasnt that also after Saban was only in Miami for a year prior to that? Also, Atlanta was feeling pretty dysfunctional after Vick then Petrino quit about 9 games into the season.
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Legal,, I can't argue with that, like I said, I'm just looking at it as not many came from the coaching ranks.. Just thinking out loud
man, is anyone hearing that there is an investigation into alligations if improper behavior on Kokinis? they were talking about it on All bets are off a little while ago.
I guess there are some articles out there..
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Are we looking for immediate respectability from this hire? Is that what you want? Need?
I dont need anything. Im just talking about the team and speaking my mind. I wouldnt be disappointed about immediate respectability. as of now the team dont have much. I agree with you that Romeo brought respectability. Butch?..... maybe from you but not in NFL circles. I think Holmgreen would bring more than just respectability. I think with his respectibility and lifetime experiance in the NFL, his hire to any position on the team would benefit the team and be a step in the right direction IMO
My memory of the atmosphere when Butch first came in must be totally wrong then.
Respectability my *&^%
Lerner needs to get it right.
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Back on topic ... somewhat .....
Call me suspicious and/or a degenerate perverted scum ....... but I see a team fire their female director of team operations or some such ...... then fire their GM .... both right in the middle of the season ,...... and word comes out that the team is looking at expense records ..... phone records ... and the like ....... and that both were fired "for cause" ......
I see 2 people doing some inappropriate stuff on company time and/or at company expense.
Just my senseless ramblings ......
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Back on topic ... somewhat .....
Call me suspicious and/or a degenerate perverted scum ....... but I see a team fire their female director of team operations or some such ...... then fire their GM .... both right in the middle of the season ,...... and word comes out that the team is looking at expense records ..... phone records ... and the like ....... and that both were fired "for cause" ......
I see 2 people doing some inappropriate stuff on company time and/or at company expense.
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That and the statements released by the Browns and Mangini usually contain extremely subtle hints.
Like...
"To protect the parties involved"
or when Mangini wishes the guy's family well...
Or Mangini's presser after one of the games where he hinted at FO turmoil/change
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Back on topic ... somewhat .....
Call me suspicious and/or a degenerate perverted scum ....... but I see a team fire their female director of team operations or some such ...... then fire their GM .... both right in the middle of the season ,...... and word comes out that the team is looking at expense records ..... phone records ... and the like ....... and that both were fired "for cause" ......
I see 2 people doing some inappropriate stuff on company time and/or at company expense.
Just my senseless ramblings ......
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I think it has more to do with the fact that these people weren't doing their jobs and the end result of that was the terrible team we see on the field.
I expect to see a lot more changes in the near future.
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Back on topic ... somewhat .....
Call me suspicious and/or a degenerate perverted scum ....... but I see a team fire their female director of team operations or some such ...... then fire their GM .... both right in the middle of the season ,...... and word comes out that the team is looking at expense records ..... phone records ... and the like ....... and that both were fired "for cause" ......
I see 2 people doing some inappropriate stuff on company time and/or at company expense.
Just my senseless ramblings ......
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It is possible...
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That and the statements released by the Browns and Mangini usually contain extremely subtle hints.
Like...
"To protect the parties involved"
or when Mangini wishes the guy's family well...
Or Mangini's presser after one of the games where he hinted at FO turmoil/change
Honestly, I don't think Kokinis was doing any "dipsticking" with the O'Brien girl. Here's my best estimated guess as to what's happening:
Lerner obviously wasn't around for the first few months of the Mangini/Kokinis regime. I say this because he's publicly said now that he had no clue as to what was going on, and he didn't even know the role of Kokinis. Wow.
The week that Lerner inserted Kosar into Berea was the when he finally started to get fed up. When the Plain Dealer's Grossi reported this, he mentioned that it irked Mangini, because he wasn't consulted during the decision (which is hilarious to me ... Lerner is the BOSS Eric, he signs your paychecks ... get used to it)!
So, Kosar goes in, realizes that this O'Brien lady is burning some serious bridges. He tells Lerner about it, and she's gone.
Then there's Kokinis.
I think Kosar realized fairly quickly that Kokinis wasn't doing his job. I also think he found out that Mangini and Kokinis were having a power struggle, one in which Mangini was clearly winning. Lerner was then faced with a decision after the awful Bears game, in which he snapped afterwards and pretty much promised the fans a change: Do I have more faith in Kokinis or Mangini? The obvious answer was Mangini, based on what occurred. But I also think Lerner was hesitant to fire the head coach who was controlling everything. Even if he doesn't agree with it, and even if Mangini deliberately misled him about the way he was going to run the organization, it would be more damaging in the short-term to get rid of Mangini, simply based on all the power he's accumulated. Sure, Rob Ryan would take over, but now you're leaving Daboll on an island offensively. Just not a good scenario for the rest of the year.
So........ Lerner cans Kokinis, and sends a pretty strong message to Mangini through the media that I'm bringing in a football guy that's going to A: watch you like a hawk and/or B: decide your fate. Any credible football person that's hired in the long-term will likely fire Mangini, and I think Mangini knows this.
Long story short, I don't think Kokinis and O'Brien did anything together that got them both fired. I think they were separate incidents in which Lerner was ridding the organization of two individuals that were either terrible at their jobs, or not working period.
Most importantly, once a long-term football president is hired, I think Mangini is gone.
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yea but the story has less intrigue with your viewpoint 
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Haha that's true. If only we could see a picture of O'Brien. Must not be much there if she was interested in Kokinis.......... 
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aben´s version is not Hollywood that is for sure. The more I think about it the more I think Kokinis had to be just mailing the job in, writing blank checks and if he did want out in August then he probably looked at Lerner and said the dreaded three words all bosses hate to hear from an employee.
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Maybe Koke and that O'Brien chick were having an affair or something? They were both canned and they have talked about pulling Koke's phone records...
What else would cause a GM removal this early in the season? It has to be something big..
I don't know. A guy and a gal find a mutual attraction and decide to boink every now and then...I don't find that a crime any employer should find overly unusual or incriminating.
It's human nature.
Any employer can work around that if they want .
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Seems reasonable. I bet it was a combination of things..... there are a lot of rumors out there.
One thing I'm certain of is that firing a guy for cause in the NFL is a very big deal, and I doubt Lerner would do it without a VERY good reason or reasons. Specifically, I don't think he got canned for cause and escorted out just for doing a crappy job.
Maybe he quit the job and wasn't doing anything, maybe he backstabbed the browns in some way, maybe he was doing 'something' on company time, maybe something else, maybe all of the above, who knows.
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I'd be interested in seeing a picture of Erin O'Brien. Cause after all if she's a 500lb sea cow I think we could almost rule out a sexual relation. But who knows I don't know Kokinis, he very well could be a chubby chaser.
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I'd be interested in seeing a picture of Erin O'Brien. Cause after all if she's a 500lb sea cow I think we could almost rule out a sexual relation. But who knows I don't know Kokinis, he very well could be a chubby chaser.
I'm not going to lie. I laughed out loud reading that.
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I'd be interested in seeing a picture of Erin O'Brien. Cause after all if she's a 500lb sea cow I think we could almost rule out a sexual relation. But who knows I don't know Kokinis, he very well could be a chubby chaser.
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What does this Dawgpound Mike guy do for a living? I'm glad he's "getting our voices heard". But geeze... meetings with the owner, traveling everywhere with the team, expensive Fry suits, on talk shows, etc...
Oh well, I feel bad for mobile dawg though. He kind of just sits there and nods once an awhile.
Dawgpound Mike = Mangini, Mobile Dawg = Kokinis.
If I remember right, he works in sports marketing. Most of you probably know this already but he has a website. This is where I remember what he does for a living came from.
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What does this Dawgpound Mike guy do for a living? I'm glad he's "getting our voices heard". But geeze... meetings with the owner, traveling everywhere with the team, expensive Fry suits, on talk shows, etc...
Oh well, I feel bad for mobile dawg though. He kind of just sits there and nods once an awhile.
Dawgpound Mike = Mangini, Mobile Dawg = Kokinis.
If I remember right, he works in sports marketing. Most of you probably know this already but he has a website. This is where I remember what he does for a living came from.
He just started that job not too long ago... like I said I used to work with him. He isn't loaded or anything by any means. I never really liked him but I'm not going to say too much about him except no one where I worked liked him
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I would hope it's the usual places.
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I don't find that a crime any employer should find overly unusual or incriminating.
Most employers would take it very serious because if one is in the chain of command of the other, it could very easily lead to ugly sexual harrassment suits and all kinds of other bad stuff...
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Are we looking for immediate respectability from this hire? Is that what you want? Need?
I personally don't "need" anything. I think somebody with a name and a track record that could garner immediate respect from the players would be important rather than some schmoe they've never heard of whose only claim to fame is that he was the assistant to the assistant on somebody's super bowl team.
Less important, but important none the less, is somebody that the fans can rally around and believe in...
Aside from talent, aside from the mess that has been created here... there is a HUGE attitude and confidence problem on this team... The folks inside the organization, especially the players, need something to believe in.... over the long haul that comes from winning, but to start winning, it will have to come from somewhere else... and the only place I can see it coming from, is a name at the top that has proven he can do it.
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I'd be interested in seeing a picture of Erin O'Brien. Cause after all if she's a 500lb sea cow I think we could almost rule out a sexual relation. But who knows I don't know Kokinis, he very well could be a chubby chaser.
Are you saying Kokinis likes to ride mopeds, he just dont like to be caught?
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so Kokinis is the GM
Mangini trades BE and Kokinis isn't even aware.
Isn't it the GM's job, to make personnel moves?
If Mangini is doing the GM duties as well as HC then why pay a GM? Is Mangini that much of a micro-manager that he did not allow Kokinis to do his job?
and why not fire the HC for going behind the GM's back?
So was it the same situation with Erin O'Brien? Did she have a job without any actual duties?
Maybe Randy does not want to pay a salary to someone who does no actual work.If Randy is trying to fire someone "with cause" it means he does not want to pay them their remaining contract, for whatever reason.
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Sounds to me like Kokinis was TRYING to do his job but EM was constantly undercutting him... That is why some of us keep saying, we need STRUCTURE with clearly defined roles and everybody knows their role and does their job... and that starts with a strong leader of operations.
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