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Cleveland Browns' Eric Mangini will help pick new GM
By Mary Kay Cabot
November 04, 2009, 2:20PM
Cleveland Plain Dealer
BEREA, Ohio -- Browns coach Eric Mangini said he'll have input into the hiring of the new general manager of the Browns.
Mangini's first hand-picked general manager, George Kokinis, parted ways with the Browns on Monday, with no word from either side on whether he was fired or resigned.
“Yea, Randy and I talk a lot, so I’m sure we’ll be very engaged in that (decision),'' said Mangini.
Asked if it would hard to add a GM midway through the NFL season, he said, "we're just going through the process, so I’m not sure how that will all play out. We have to really see what’s there, see what’s available.”
He indicated that the Browns have strong enough pro and college departments to function without a GM for the rest of the season.
"I'm not sure what the timetable will be, but I do feel good about the process we have in place and the different departments we have in place,'' he said.
He said he has no doubt the team can operate efficiently right now without a GM. According to several league sources, Kokinis' role was reduced so much that things won't operate much differently than they did with him here over the past few months.
“I do feel good about all the things that we have in place, in terms of the pro department, the college department, the structures, the systems there,'' said Mangini. "The things mechanically, in terms of dealing with agents or transactions, I think (Vice President of Football Administration) Dawn Aponte is excellent at those things, so I feel strongly about our ability to function effectively in all of those areas.”
Aponte, who worked directly under Kokinis, joined the Browns this season after spending the last three in the NFL office, where she served on the League's Management Council as the Vice President of Labor Finance. With the Browns, Aponte negotiates player contracts, manages the salary cap and handles other legal matters. She huddled with Browns owner Randy Lerner for awhile after Sunday's 30-6 loss to the Bears, the night before Kokinis left the building for good.
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“Yea, Randy and I talk a lot, so I’m sure we’ll be very engaged in that (decision),'' said Mangini.
Denial is a bitch.
Sounds more like wishful thinking than "We're in the process of finding one right now."
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if I hear Mangini say "process" one more time, I'm gonna f-in scream.
His "processes" haven't really wow'd anyone over.
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This is where, if I were Lerner, I would IMMEDIATELY release a statement through the Browns, saying that the ONLY people involved in deciding a new general manager would be Lerner and his advisors. No one else will have any input.
This is such a joke.
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What in the world makes this guy think he should have any role in choosing his boss? Talk about arrogant ... he really doesn't get it, does he?
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Lerner if you really care about this franchise then kick this walrus to the curb already 
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According to several league sources, Kokinis' role was reduced so much that things won't operate much differently than they did with him here over the past few months
Isn't that just ducky 
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This is where, if I were Lerner, I would IMMEDIATELY release a statement through the Browns, saying that the ONLY people involved in deciding a new general manager would be Lerner and his advisors. No one else will have any input.
Either that, or I should have titled this thread "A lesson NOT learned in Cleveland". If Mangini has any role in picking a GM, then the Browns will have become the embodiment of that famous definition of insanity - when a person keeps doing the same thing, expecting different results.
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Probably the funniest thing I've read all day.
Bernie's gonna have more input in the GM than Mangini.
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You know what I got out of the article???? Quote:
According to several league sources, Kokinis' role was reduced so much that things won't operate much differently than they did with him here over the past few months.
My question is Why?
I already know the answer most of the hate mongers ,who won't use their brains, will give.....and it starts off "Because Mangini....."
But if people would like to take a step back and take a few deep breaths and actually use their brains....this definitely bears some thought. Especially since the guy was fired "With Cause" and since the guy isn't making any appearances to even flash part of his side of the story...and we have rumors of the Browns keeping things quiet partly for legal reasons and partly to not "embarass Kokinis' family".......
Was the guy incompetant? Was he giving out too much info to other Teams, so they wanted to limit his information? Was Mangini too much of a control freak?
There is allot more going on with this Kokinis guy than is meeting the eye....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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If this is true, then I am done.
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OK this title is a bit misleading.
Sure he will have input. But he aint picken the guy.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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If this is true, then I am done.
If this is true, I'll be convinced that Mangini has incriminating photos of Lerner!
I'm hoping that Mangini is just that deluded, but I'm not holding my breath at all on this one.
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You know what I got out of the article????
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According to several league sources, Kokinis' role was reduced so much that things won't operate much differently than they did with him here over the past few months.
My question is Why?
I already know the answer most of the hate mongers ,who won't use their brains, will give.....and it starts off "Because Mangini....."
But if people would like to take a step back and take a few deep breaths and actually use their brains....this definitely bears some thought. Especially since the guy was fired "With Cause" and since the guy isn't making any appearances to even flash part of his side of the story...and we have rumors of the Browns keeping things quiet partly for legal reasons and partly to not "embarass Kokinis' family".......
Was the guy incompetant? Was he giving out too much info to other Teams, so they wanted to limit his information? Was Mangini too much of a control freak?
There is allot more going on with this Kokinis guy than is meeting the eye....
Ya know, I've been wondering something similar with Kokinis.
For all intents and purposes, he had everything in his contract that gave him the ability to go and sign players...yet by the end, he didn't do anything. Did he have no spine to fight for his job and tell Mangini to go kick rocks? I mean, supposedly his contract gave him full control over the 53 man roster but somehow Mangini usurped that power from him.
I don't know what has happened, and from most everyone's accounts, Mangini took the power, but the fact that Kokinis didn't FIGHT for his power either is just absolutely ludicrous. Seems like he just didn't care about his job enough to fight for it.
you had a good run Hank.
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I've wondered since the beginning if Kokinis dismissal had anything to do with football at all. They were reviewing his activities for th epast month, checking phone records, and that Erin O'Brien was released just a week or so previous.
I wonder if there is a backstory here that has nothing to do with the issues on the field or his job performance, and it's just all coincidence that it happened now.
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What in the world makes this guy think he should have any role in choosing his boss? Talk about arrogant ... he really doesn't get it, does he?
GM should not be the boss of the HC.
They should be on the same level of hierarchy. HC lists what type of players he needs to be successful, GM goes and finds them.
Mangini should have "some" input on the GM just as the GM should have "some" input on the HC (for instance, if we keep rob ryan, we want a GM who has experience finding guys who fit the 3-4).
what is missing is what Lerner said he would give us...and that is a head of football operations who they both report to. on many teams, that is the owner, but it doesn't have to be....
if the correct person was in place there, then obvious dysfunction between HC and GM that have gone on during our entire 10 year would not have been ongoing.
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The only way Mangini is going anywhere is if he quits. Lerner is already paying Savage, Crennel and Kokinis. If he gets rid of Mangini he will have to pay him plus a new GM & HC. That's about 40mil+. I know Lerner has some deep pockets but I think he will stick with Mangini for another year or two. JMHO
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out....
Don't even start that crap. If this is true and the he decides he is done dealing with this joke of a franchise/owner; more power to him.
Some days I wish I had the balls to tell this team to shove it.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out....
Don't even start that crap. If this is true and the he decides he is done dealing with this joke of a franchise/owner; more power to him.
Some days I wish I had the balls to tell this team to shove it.
To paraphrase Phil Savage: "To heck with you, go root for the Bills". 
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Bernie will have more input on the GM than Mangini will, IMO.
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OK this title is a bit misleading.
Sure he will have input. But he aint picken the guy.
Amen. Refs, feel free to change the title.
Someone wake me when Lerner finds somebody to interview.
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It's not crap....good riddance... And you are doing the same thing he is by spreading the same hate filled crap without knowing one single thing about what is REALLY going on behind the doors in Berea...You have ZERO FACTS...only supposition by reporters who don't know one single thing about what is REALLY going on behind the doors in Berea(heck they can't even agree on whether Kokinis was escorted out by security or not)....and you are ready to hang a guy.... Way to go  You da man! [/sarcasm]
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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And the Brown Out continues as it SHOULD!
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Don't even start that crap. If this is true and the he decides he is done dealing with this joke of a franchise/owner; more power to him.
The Browns have struggled since their return in 1999.. more downs than ups and it has taken some shots for not being very good on the field... but it was never really considered "a joke" until this year .... you do the math.
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Hmmm, apparently you didn't read that I said IF this is true.
"The Browns are a club contenders probably don't want to face right now. Their physicality cannot be questioned."
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OK this title is a bit misleading.
Sure he will have input. But he aint picken the guy.
Amen. Refs, feel free to change the title.
Someone wake me when Lerner finds somebody to interview.
Absolutely.
What I see in the article is Mangini saying he'll have input. That has as much credence as CapCityDawg saying that CapCityDawg will have input.
Now I feel like Quincy Morgan.
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Just for the record, that is the headline for the Plain Dealer story at Cleveland.com.
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"I'm not sure what the timetable will be, but I do feel good about the process we have in place and the different departments we have in place,'' he said.
He's been saying THIS since he got the job...his assistant and GM get fired and he still says this....reports pop out like the one from tha agent I posted....and he still has the guts to say this....
how dumb does he think everybody else IS?
teh "process"-line is already a classic after less than 1 year....at least it took Butch some years to establish his "gut feeling" 
The "secretive process" only Cartman sees, his imaginary team called the "Incompetent Intangibles".....what a lunatic 
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What else is he going to say?
"I'm not going to have any input in the hiring of the new GM."
He has to say he will have input. He might as well fire himself if he says he's not going to have any input.
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Bernie will have more input on the GM than Mangini will, IMO.
Most likely. If Lerner has his stated "confidants" scouring the team I sure gotta believe one of em aint the HC!!!!
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If an ounce of truth is in this statement.....I will have a hard time....being...
please you idiot, Rudolph Lerner, do not do this. Do not allow this. If Mangina is involved, please pick the other guy that Mangina does not recommend
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Yeah, and Romeo Crennel said Brady Quinn was going to be the starting QB in 2009.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Bernie was brought in as PR. He has little to do with day to day operations.
Mangini will probably look for a young upstart operations man looking for a move up to assistant GM.
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Bernie was brought in as PR. He has little to do with day to day operations.
Mangini will probably look for a young upstart operations man looking for move up to assistant GM.
Bernie can't talk to KNR because he's busy working.
I HIGHLY doubt he's just PR.
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I've read and reread this story at least five times and each time it gets both funnier and more bizarre.
Mangini really can't believe he's gonna be involved in this!
And if he is...Lerner is total buffoon and deserves to lose his team and fortune!
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Yeah, and Romeo Crennel said Brady Quinn was going to be the starting QB in 2009.
Well, he WAS right. He never said for how long...
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I can see the scenario in the board room now. Lerner: "Eric? Who would you recommend as the next GM?" Mangina: "Well, I think that..." Lerner interrupts abruptly: "Okay. Thank you, Eric. Next?"
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