DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum US Troops: "If you're going to support us, support us all the way".

I found this interesting...and is comparable to what I've heard from folks who've been there.

That is powerful.

I support the troops

What would the Troops like me to do, if I don't support the war?

I don't have an answer to your question, but this is a point of view that doesn't get much publicity......and one that I've heard from friends and a relative that have been there.

I respect the point of view, and I certainly can understand why a soldier would have that view. There is a fine line, and many Americans are trying to walk it. I know people who have served and currently serve there. I am very careful in what I say, and most of them know me well enough, that they know how I feel about it, without discussing it. Our leaders have failed in convincing me, that the cause was just, and necessary. I pray for our troops every day. I have on one occasion housed and fed an Iraq veteran, while he was on leave, that I did more so, because of his service.
I'm just speaking out loud, and I think the question I asked is a fair question. I couldn't fathom not supporting our protectors, and hold in high regard the price that they are willing too pay. It's almost a spiritual regard. On the other hand, I can't fathom supporting a war, without just cause.

Hmmmm..........this sounds awfully familiar.

I've been saying this since the war began.

No matter any way you spin it, you do NOT support the troops if you do not support the war.

I've been telling people on this board, "Go to Iraq and tell all those troops that you support them, but don't support what they are doing and see what kind of reaction you get."

They know the truth.

Wake up America, it's time to support our troops ALL THE WAY.

This half-assed crap has got to stop.

MantuaBrownsFan,

This is a just war...the war is on. More and more Al Quiada are being killed in Iraq from Syria and Iran. Get Baghdad under some form of control and allow the electeds to take over as we redeploy to the border of Iran and Syria.
Iran will soon be the target by air and sea....these crazy killers have threatened our security and with the help of Saudi Arabia will be coming down soon.

Point blank, I never believed in their mission and would rather have seen our politicians sent over there to provide Iraq with democracy. I would hope to see the troops out of there immediately.

Consider the sourse Pit .

You have the "right" to say it...that doesn't make you right. There's a difference, Pit. Funny how you didn't comment on the actual message though. Of course, I'm not surprised, it doesn't fit your agenda you've been pushing all this time. I guess you only comment on things you find to agree with you because you want it to validate your anti everything stance.

I do. There are soldiers with differing views on this war. There is no "one way the soldiers feel". Because like all Americans,they each have their own opinions.

The sad thing is when people make an attempt to silence your views cloaked by a veil of patriotism. There's nothing patriotic about keeping your freedom of speech and opinions quiete.

Nothing patriotic about those who wish to silence oposing views by trying to suggest you're somehow less than patriotic or don't support our troops. It's pure propeganda in it's truest form. And there's nothing patriotic about that.

No problem coach. I'll provide troops who don't support this war. Will that be better?

http://www.ivaw.org/

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/11/10_400.html?welcome=true

http://www.mfaw.org.uk/

See,I don't fault anyone's "view" on the war as long as they don't try pulling bull crap in a feeble attempt to make it appear somehow less that patriotic that I give my opinion as well.

You? You'll either blast these links to criticize their views,or remain silent. So have at it.

That's the fact Jack! We can fight them in the Middle East or they will come for the civilians here.

LOL, kinda like you ignoring the views of those opposing you until you are called on it...and instead of commenting on it, you once again go into your anti everything crap and pull up links that disagree with it. Yeah, that's really commenting on the topic. Not surprised at all. The word hypocrisy certainly comes to mind though.

So out of all the Islamic terrorists in the world,they can't spare 20 like they did on 9/11 because our military is in Iraq?

Just think about that for a minute before you answer it............

Keep attacking coach. I've grown to expect it,but am pretty much unphased by it. It's became the norm rather than the acception.

Basicly,it's a Bush transcript. Nothing new to really comment on that hasn't already been said a 1000 times.

It's not the troops fault that we have an idiot for a president.

That was the message that I got from the video.

LOL, pot meet kettle. You constantly post links that try to prove that soldiers are against the war, attack anyone that disagrees with you, and ignore a link (like this one) that disagrees with you. Your only comment on this thread was to ATTACK Blade, not to comment on the link that goes against things you claim. Then, to beat all, you then accuse someone else of "attacking" you because they call you on your methods. LOL, priceless. To use your term, I've grown to expect it. You attack and then play the victim. LOL, too bad all of it is right here for everyone to see. Don't blame me when you show yourself and your methods for what they really are.

Man the machine has done it's job well.

Yes,coach,there's differing opinions on how the troops feel. Someone showed one side,I showed the other. That's what "some of us" do here.


And yes,we respond to other posters comments too. That's part of "message board 101". Pretty basic concept really.

LOL, keep spinning, Pit. Again, you attacked a poster and then played the victim. You and Ire can sit there and feel real good about yourselves, as you have all the answers apparently. Sadly, neither of you that have such vast knowledge will do this country a favor and run for office where you can make this place perfect with your vast knowledge and wisdom. Instead, you sit on a messageboard and whine, spin, and twist things to show you are anti-everything. Good for you. Just don't expect others to not call you on your methods.

I am tired of seeing it and, as you so wisely pointed out, have the RIGHT to call you on your hypocrisy. You sit there and type your oh so wise views and look down on those that dare to disagree with you. Fine. Just remember that there are those of us on here that have actually had to pay the price by losing loved ones. Watching you and Ire's agenda makes me sick. I have now lost two family members in this war.....one a cousin that was like a brother to me and now another cousin that wasn't a close, but still a family member I loved. To watch you guys spit on their sacrifice sickens me. You can CLAIM not to be doing it all you want, but you are. You see, BOTH of my family members believed in what they were doing. They sacrificed their lives to free the world of a genocidal madman and to rid the world of terrorism. Then I have to read your ego stroking and condesceniding posts attacking anyone that disagrees with you and your stance and using your little smileys to belittle them and act like they are idiots. Well, my friend, my cousins disagreed with you and when you do these things you ARE disrespecting what they did. I'll call you on it every time. Now, tell us again how great your military knowledge is and how you know how to make everything better while sitting on your backside and ridiculing those that have actually lost loved ones in the war.

When ignorant, self promoting, "people" spit on the sacrifices my family has made, yeah, it does make people stressed. You have the right to be a hypocrite and disrespect the sacrifice of others. I have the right to call you on it. Enjoy stroking your own ego and spitting on the sacrifice of others.

You lost a loved one ? Sorry for your loss . Does that make me for one minute think you are in any way shape or form correct in your opinion ? Nope. Lots of people have lost loved ones. Some agree with the cause some don't but for you to run your mouth telling others they are spitting on our troops is stupid plain and simple. Question my patriotism on this message board all you like , your opinion means less than nothing to me as I have a pretty good idea of the kind of person you are and although you have lost loved ones you personally have done squat to further the cause you support so much .So if it makes you feel better to use someones death as a pulpit from which to speak then rock on, like it makes your opinion any more important ,that is the truely sickening thing here. You should be ashamed .

You know Coach, it's possible to support the troops, but at the same time NOT support the commander-in-chief and all of the boneheaded mistakes that he has made since this war started.

I don't see where Pit (or anyone else) is "spitting on the sacrifices" that the soldiers have made.

Quite frankly, I find that statement to be very insulting, and I would be highly offended if you dared to accuse me of it.

When you and Pit call others idiots and belittle them for their views that oppose yours and they are the same opinions of both of my loved ones that died for their convictions, you are disrespecting them. I am not ashamed for calling you on it. You should be ashamed for your attitudes towards those that have opinions that differ from yours and have sacrificed for them. My opinions don't carry more weight because I lost someone. The perfect example is that while I disagree with Pat Tillman, I respect what he has done and have not belittled his message and haven't attacked those that have the same viewpoints as his. Your attacks are offensive. I don't care about you any more than you care about me. After all, you are the tough guy internet bully that has threatened people on a messageboard, so I am hardly surprised by any of your offensive comments. To use your phrase, it gives me a pretty good idea of the type of person you are....and one that should be ashamed.

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When you and Pit call others idiots and belittle them for their views that oppose yours and they are the same opinions of both of my loved ones that died for their convictions, you are disrespecting them.

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No they're not....they are just disrespecting the president....NOT the soldiers that are fighting over there, and certainly not the soldiers that have died. Why can't you see the difference?

Christy, this is more than just this thread. Pit and Ire constantly insult those that disagree with them. They insinuate and sometimes downright call people idiots for having the audacity to disagree with their views. My family members that were killed had those same views. I find it insulting that they call anyone that disagrees with them names and belittle them. We just buried one of them this weekend. To constantly see this kind of attitude towards those with the same opinions and values that these brave men had is what I find insulting. To me, and I realize that it is members of my family so it makes me biased, it is disrespecting what they gave their lives for....not that they disagree with the war, but the attitude and the insulting remarks of those that have the same opinions as those that died. You and I have disagreed and debated the issues. Yet we didn't resort to insulting the other person. It's not the message, it's the messenger and the delivery I find offensive.

He doesn't care Christy. He's an angry man and attempts to invoke anger in kind. I'm fully aware of how he operates.

He seems to think that I don't have any loved one's,friends or close friends who have friends in Iraq. He seems to know everything about me and my life. And he's simply trying to invoke me to anger.

I have always,streadfastly supported our troops. In every conflict,war,or whatever terminology they choose to use at any time our troops have been in battle.

I do not however,always support the decisions for certain wars. Right now our country is in the midst of two wars. One of which I strongly support. I think it's been sidetracked and understaffed by a poor decision to place the bulk of our military troop strength in Iraq,but I do support the war in Afghanastan.

That was the main base of Al Queda,the people responsible for 9/11. I felt it was quite justified. The war in Iraq however,I do not support.

Maybe coach thinks I support the troops in Afghanastan,but once their deployment changes to Iraq,I no longer support them? I don't have a clue how his mind works on that one.


I support all of our troops. They have a duty to follow the orders of their "president". They didn't start this war and many of them don't even agree with this war. But they're doing their duty and I commend them. Always have.

But coach can be such an angry man that when he gets that way,his natural reaction is to invoke that in others. I'm not going to fall for his childish game today. I simply am not willing to waste my energy on such a futile and foolish endevour. hopefully he can address his anger issues before it effects his health.

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not that they disagree with the war, but the attitude and the insulting remarks of those that have the same opinions as those that died.

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So you're saying that they have actually posted on this board that our soldiers are a bunch of idiots for fighting in the war? I find that hard to believe.

Once again, your hypocrisy is amazing. You should get a dictionary and look up the word projection. You would probably find your picture there beside the word.

You attack constantly and then claim others do it to you when they call you on it. Am I angry? You better believe it. As I said, when you belittle and insult those that disagree with your agenda, it is also belittling and insulting those that have sacrificed their lives that also disagreed with your agenda. It's not that hard to understand.

I'm done. Your agenda is obvious. The only one with issues here is you, Pit. You better believe I'm angry. I am dealing with it....by calling you on it. If you have loved ones in Iraq, as you claim, and they lost their lives and I came on here and insulted and belittled what they believed in, you'd be angry too. Your hypocrisy and attacks just aren't worth it. I guess I just need to realize that "freedom of speech" for you also allows for freedom of ignorance, hypocrisy, and disrespecting those that sacrificed for what they believed in. Just know that there are those that gave the ultimate sacrifice that would be offended by your actions. Period. I'm done. Enjoy yourself, Pit.

And I guess I care enough about you not to make an issue out of the fact you're doing everything and calling me everything you seem to accuse Ire and myself of in your latest post.

Pot meet kettle?

Many of our troops DON'T believe in this war. So should I be angry with you because you are "disrespecting" them? I don't think so Tim................

Still not sure I get what's going on on here....

If I were to say "Blade and Coach, you two are complete morons to support this war", then that means that I'm calling every U.S. troop a moron as well? And I'm also spitting on the sacrifices that they've made?

Holy cow...

Disrespectful words and phrases from all sides of this debate seem to flow too easily.
We are most definitely allowed to commend the troops for their hard work and choice to sacrifice all that they have for the mission given by the President. We are also free to criticize the manner in which our President has chosen to fight this conflict. If you free justified do it...but don't expect a parade of support for that viewpoint.

Like it or not we are in a WAR. We are not in a War against Terrorism. Just as we did not declare War upon Sneak Attacks with the sinking of the Luisitania{WWI] or Pearl Harbor[WWII], but rather against militant Islamics who use terror as a weapon of choice.

America finds itself in a difficult situation today in that we are fighting an idea rather than an army... Iraq is ONLY ONE CAMPAIGN in this WAR! There will be others such as the CAMPAIGN IN IRAN as well as the CAMPAIGN IN SYRIA!!!!
It is highly doubtful that we will introduce foot soldiers into Iran and maybe not even Syria but make no mistake they will be directly engaged soon. My guess is from the sea and sky before the end of March.

America's lowest point occurred in the FINAL DAYS of the Vietnam conflict when we decided to cut off funds for the War Effort and leave Vietnam. Many claim that that was our best hope of salvation... It actually destroyed our reputation as being a LOYAL ALLY to our friends and ushered in the slaughter of between 2-3 million people in Southeast Asia by the Cambodians and North Vietnamese of our abandoned ex allies.

We are in a stronger position today in Iraq than we were in VietNam in the 70s. We have the duly elected gov't of Iraq in our corner as much as possible. We have a significant number of provinces under control in Iraq and a stronger/aggressive new policy for Baghdad which may just work to quell some of the foreign insurgents in that area.

Iran must be dealt a severe blow for their provocation and participation in the War Against Militant Islamics. Syria will fold when Iran is hurt badly. If the Baghdad crackdown begins to be successful coupled with the above 2 spankings we will be on our way to a successful chapter[ and 3 conflicts won] in this new War.
It may be funny to watch some politicians who were for the War...but then Against the War...but now For the War Again.

I guess this is probably why I don't usually get involved in these kind of threads!

I think I'll keep it that way from now on.