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Leave it to Bob Knight to come out and say what everyone in america is thinking.  Link Knight calls out Kentucky's Calipari in return to Indiana Dec. 17, 2009 CBSSports.com wire reports INDIANAPOLIS -- Bobby Knight said integrity is lacking in college basketball and cited Kentucky coach John Calipari as an example. During a fundraiser for the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame, Knight said he doesn't understand why Calipari is still coaching. 'We've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation,' Bobby Knight says. (AP) "We've gotten into this situation where integrity is really lacking and that's why I'm glad I'm not coaching," he said. "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation and he's still coaching. I really don't understand that. "And very few people know this, but a kid can play the first semester as a freshman, pass six hours of anything and play in the NCAA tournament without ever attending a class in the second semester. I don't think that's right." Massachusetts and Memphis were both sanctioned by the NCAA for violations committed during Calipari's tenure. Knight, the former Indiana and Texas Tech coach who won a record 902 games, did not elaborate or take questions from reporters. For more than 90 minutes Thursday night, Knight recounted tales from his coaching days, stories from the recruiting trail, lessons he passed along to players. Just like old times, except this speech had some poignant moments, too. "You know, I've always been a Kenny Rogers fan and I always liked that song where he says 'You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run,"' Knight said. "I've tried to follow that philosophy, and I should have run at Indiana when the trustees and the administration had gotten too far apart and that's probably as much my fault as it was theirs." Knight, who wore a green sweater, instead of his trademark red one, said he had been advised by three different people early in his career that he was too strong-willed to stay at Indiana forever. Instead of heeding that advice, though, Knight said he couldn't find a better basketball environment and stayed right up until the moment Myles Brand fired him in September 2000. It's close as Knight has gotten to admitting he may have made a mistake in Bloomington. Those who paid $50 for the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame fundraiser didn't come to hear Knight offer regrets, they came to hear the man they still revere and Knight welcomed the two standing ovations he received. "I'll always take great pleasure in having been part of the heritage of basketball in Indiana," he said. It was a rare trip to the state where Knight was treated like a ro$alty, and it was his first public appearance in Indiana since skipping his own induction into the Indiana University Hall of Fame last month. Before the induction, new athletic director Fred Glass made a personal plea to reunite The General and the university, to no avail. Knight said then that he didn't want to distract from the induction of others into the Hall of Fame. It may not have been the only reason he didn't go. "I would have loved to have seen him back for the induction," said longtime broadcaster Chuck Marlowe, who writes to Knight on a regular basis. "But he explained to me that 'You do know there are still reasons why I cannot do it."' Marlowe was one of the friends hoping Thursday night's appearance may open the door to getting Knight and the university back together. "I think somewhere along the line, there will be a relationship renewed that will bring him back into a relationship with IU," Marlowe said. But Knight is in town on a business trip. He is scheduled to be an analyst on ESPN's broadcast of the Xavier-Butler game Saturday afternoon. The fiery coach set a Division I record with 902 wins at Army, Indiana and Texas Tech before retiring, winning three national championships at Indiana and the hearts of many Hoosiers fans with his outspokenness. Before dinner, Knight took pictures with fans and signed autographs, and he spent much of the speech telling tales about former players, like Quinn Buckner and Scott May, who were in attendance and some, like former Army player Mike Krzyzewski, who were not. That drew plenty of laughter from a loyal fan base that nearly sold out all the tickets in less than three weeks. "He was very gracious and easy to work with," Hall of Fame executive director Chris May said. "I think he's very excited to be back with his old friends from Indiana." But Knight still lobbed memorable one-liners at some old targets. He criticized a proposed tournament expansion to 96 teams, saying nobody should get a bye in the NCAA tournament. He urged the governing body's administration to require tournament teams to submit eligibility reports, an effort to assure that players who are competing in postseason games have been attending classes and earning acceptable grades.
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"And very few people know this, but a kid can play the first semester as a freshman, pass six hours of anything and play in the NCAA tournament without ever attending a class in the second semester. I don't think that's right."
Which is really the big sham behind all of the one-and-dones in college basketball and the NBA draft rules. It's not like they are going there to "be a freshman"...
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Easy fix,..no freshmen on the court.
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Leave it to Bob Knight to come out and say what everyone in america is thinking.
I'm back from my week-long ban for posting "rumors" (They weren't rumors, but rather than reading what I posted, the refs decided it would be easier to just ban me because it had the word "rumors" in the website name, but I digress.
But, 1. Knight was wrong. Cal left neither program on probation. Hey Bob, get your facts straight before you start spewing your crap. 2. Here's why Bob Knight has no room to attack anyone else....
Knight timeline: achievement and controversy:
1976 -- Criticized nationally for pulling guard Jim Wisman off the court by his jersey.
July 1979 -- Arrested in Puerto Rico, charged with assaulting a police officer; convicted in absentia in August.
1980 -- Fires a starting pistol at postgame news conference to startle a Louisville newspaper reporter.
Feb. 23, 1985 -- Throws a chair across the floor during a loss to Purdue. Three technical fouls, ejection from the game, and national attention.
1987 -- Puerto Rico drops its efforts to extradite Knight.
March 1987 -- Bangs fist on scorer’s table during an NCAA regional tournament game against LSU. NCAA fines IU $10,000 and reprimands Knight.
Nov. 21, 1987 -- Knight won’t leave the floor after being ejected. He drew three technical fouls which resulted in the game being forfeited to the Soviet Union team. Knight later is reprimanded by IU.
April 25, 1988 -- Provokes outrage during an NBC interview with Connie Chung. In describing the experience of losing, he said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."
May 1988 -- Knight considers taking a coaching job at the University of New Mexico, resulting in a rally where thousands urged him to stay. He declines New Mexico’s offer.
March 25, 1992 -- Knight pretends to whip black player Calbert Cheaney, drawing national attention and protest from the local NAACP and other black leaders.
Dec. 7, 1993 -- Pulls son Patrick from the game and appears to kick him in the leg. Crowd boos. Knight later says he kicked the chair, not his son.
March 9, 1994 -- Butts heads with Sherron Wilkerson during a courtside huddle. Later both say it was accidental.
March 17, 1995 -- IU fined a record $30,000 after Knight berates an NCAA volunteer at a news conference following IU’s first-round loss to Missouri.
March 1998 -- Knight pays a $10,000 fine<, rather than accept a suspension from an NCAA tournament game. The fine resulted from degrogatory remarks Knight made to referee Ted Valentine during a February game against Illinois.
June 1999 -- Christopher Foster accuses Knight of choking him during an altercation in the parking lot of Nuestra Mexico, an Ellettsville Mexican restaurant. After much publicity, no charges were filed.
Oct. 12, 1999 -- Injures longtime friend Thomas Mikunda in a hunting accidentin Wisconsin. He was cited for failure to report a hunting accident and two violations involving hunting without a license.
Feb. 19, 2000 -- Knight berates his boss, Athletics Director Clarence Doninger, when Doninger tries to console the coach after a loss to OSU. Doninger later said he felt physically threatened by Knight. (This incident was not publicly known until The Star reported it March 30, 2000).
March 14, 2000 -- In a televised CNN/Sports Illustrated report, Neil Reed alleges Knight grabbed him by the neck during a 1997 practice, that Knight ejected IU President Myles Brand for talking during a practice and that the coach wiped himself with toilet tissue in front of players to make a point.
March 23, 2000 -- IU Bloomington Athletics Committee asks IU President Myles Brand to investigate Knight.
April 12, 2000 -- Videotape of 1997 altercation between Knight and Neil Reed airs on television.
May 10, 2000 -- Jeanette Hartgraves, secretary to the IU athletics director, tells The Star she felt physically threatened by Knight in a February 1998 confrontation in which he called her a "f------ bitch" and was advancing on her in anger. Clarence Doninger, stepped in to restrain Knight. Hartgraves also told of an episode in the late 1980s in which an angry Knight flung a potted plant against a wall, shattering a ceramic pot and a glass picture frame. Hartgraves said she was showered by glass and debris but not injured.
May 11, 2000 -- Two more accusations surface about violent behavior by Knight. WTHR (Channel 13) reports that Knight attacked assistant coach Ron Felling and threw him off a chair after overhearing Felling criticizing the basketball program in a telephone conversation. Other sources told The Star that Knight choked and punched IU's longtime sports information director, Kit Klingelhofer, in the 1970s, over a news release that upset the coach.
May 13, 2000 -- On the eve of a special trustees meeting to decide his fate, Knight issues a public statement promising to better control his temper.
May 14, 2000 -- The IU board of trustees meets in secret to decide Knight's fate.
May 15, 2000 -- At a news conference, university officials announce Knight will keep his job, but with a "zero tolerance" policy under which any new incident could bring about dismissal.
June 2000 -- Knight tells IU he will no longer help teach a class on coaching basketball.
Sept. 7, 2000 -- Knight grabs IU freshman Kent Harvey by the arm and lectures him on respect after hearing Harvey remark "Hey, Knight, what's up"? Harvey reports the incident to campus police and says Knight yanked his arm and swore at him. Knight denies he was rough.
Sept. 10, 2000 -- At a Sunday news conference, IU President Myles Brand announces he fired Knight after he refused a request to resign. Brand cited several instances< of unacceptable behavior by Knight since the zero-tolerance policy was instituted, not just the altercation with Kent Harvey, for his decision.
Sept. 12, 2000 -- In a live interview televised on ESPN, Knight says his accusers lied and university officials distorted their accounts of what happened.
Sept. 13, 2000 -- Knight bids farewell to a crowd of 8,000 supporters at a rally on campus.
March 23, 2001-- Knight signs a 5-year contract to become head coach at Texas Tech University.
Feb. 4, 2003 -- Knight receives his 800th career win when Texas Tech defeats Nebraska 75-49.
Jan. 1, 2007 -- With 880 wins, Knight becomes the winningest coach in Div. I men's basketball history.
Feb. 4, 2008 -- Resigns as Texas Tech basketball coach.
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Oh, and hey Bobby... In case you missed it, 2000 wins buddy. Get on our level. 
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I didn't agree with many things that Bobby did as a coach....
but he did reveal a lot about what is wrong in that little speech. the whole 1-and-done guys who take 6 credits in the fall and 0 credits in the spring is just plain seedy.
and we all know that there are a lot of seedy things that go on in recruiting and other such things.
maybe Bobby shouldn't "cast the first stone" but then again, if it's going to change, someone has to....
(note: the speech while singling out Cal as an example, was talking more about the NCAA as a whole. the system needs to change. and cmon Top, you are starting to sound like Peen with Florida. you are better than that)
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Both Memphis and U-Mass were sanctioned because of some of his activity. Maybe "probation" isn't the proper terminology but as far as a lack of integrity I can certainly see it. I bet one of the big problems Knight has is that he actually did an awesome job at coaching kids up and actually graduating them. Calipari is the poster-child coach for the one and done and you can see how that doesn't exactly promote personal growth and emphasis on solid academics (which I wouldn't expect at Kentucky or anywhere in the SEC, ooops  ). Oh, and as far as "Get on our level", Bob Knight has more wins individually than any coach in men's college basketball (902). Those 2000 wins for the program were by all of your coaches combined and took place over the entire history since basketball has been played at UK.  Pshh. "Get on our level"
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the system needs to change.
Maybe it does need to change. But, can you blame a coach for recruiting one and dones under the current rules?
"If you give me a choice between talent and experience, I'll take talent every time."- John Calipari
It's never a bad thing to have 5 (at least Wall, Cousins, Patterson, Orton, Bledsoe) future NBA players on your roster.
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you came out lambasting Knight....my point is that if you look at the speech as a whole (instead of just the SC clip), then you'll see he was lambasting the system more than Cal by himself. you are off for a week and come back so defensive  no, I'm not complaining about Thad Matta....so I'm not arguing that given the current system you ignore them. you have to go after the 1-and-dones to be successful at the highest levels.
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That's hillarious considering he himself almost has half as many wins as your school has had in it's entire history.
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I'm blasting Knight, because it was uncalled for. Cal was cleared of any wrongdoing in both cases, why did Knight feel the need to attack him? UMASS situation = USC Football situation. Reggie Bush accepted cash and gifts Marcus Camby accepted gifts Why did the Reggie Bush scandal go away? Are the two not the same? Should Pete Carroll not be allowed to coach? Derrick Rose ineligible Corey Maggette admits to accepting payments Why was Dukes Final Four not vacated? Should Coach K not be allowed to coach? Knight was out of line, and his "facts" were wrong.
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i'd bet Knight feels the same way about USC football but not as passionately because he cares more about college basketball.
and no, the Reggie Bush thing has not gone away....the NCAA couldn't prove anything, so they couldn't sanction. but, it is playing a part in their current Joe McKnight investigation (they could go for a loss of institutional control on USC...also add in the Mayo portion)
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So he should use every example in every college sport to get a point across? And as for Quote:
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Sept. 13, 2000 -- Knight bids farewell to a crowd of 8,000 supporters at a rally on campus.
March 23, 2001-- Knight signs a 5-year contract to become head coach at Texas Tech University.
Feb. 4, 2003 -- Knight receives his 800th career win when Texas Tech defeats Nebraska 75-49.
Jan. 1, 2007 -- With 880 wins, Knight becomes the winningest coach in Div. I men's basketball history.
I understand you're a UK fan and you gotta defend your team, but trying trickery as a way of supporting your argument is low. Keep in mind all those things that I quoted from you are things you listed as "Reasons why Bob Knight has no room to attack anyone"
As for what he said, if you read the entire article and not focusing on a 20 second sound clip, you'll notice he criticizes the system as a whole not just UK.
If you don't see nothing wrong with a student-athlete being able to take 6 credit hours in an entire year and get a free ride, then I don't think we are functioning on the same wave-length and there's nothing to debate.
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I agree there should be something done about the fact that a kid can only take 6 credits, and be done. But, it's happening all over the country. And, the part about Cal specifically had nothing to do with that. He said "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation and he's still coaching. I really don't understand that."
That's just inaccurate, and Cal was cleared of any wrong doing in both situations, and neither school was put on probation.
Spin it anyway you want, but Knight was not only out of line, but he was flat out wrong.
He needs to know what he's talking about if he's going to make comments like that.
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Calipari is the poster-child coach for the one and done and you can see how that doesn't exactly promote personal growth and emphasis on solid academics (which I wouldn't expect at Kentucky or anywhere in the SEC, ooops ).
Yeah choking your players and throwing temper tantrums like a 5 yr old does that too. 
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You watch the game yesterday, Tiffin? I was there, and let me tell you 3 things I took away from the game yesterday. 1. We started Christmas Break early. Half our players looked like they couldn't wait to get home and see if they got that new X-Box game for Christmas  2. Long Beach State seemed like one of those annoying 12 seeds in the tournament, that you're thinking "Just go away!". They wanted it more yesterday, luckily we were just much more talented. But, LBS is going to make some noise in the tourney, I think. 3. You should have to take a general basketball IQ test to be able to have season tickets. I used my aunt's season tickets, and all of the seats around hers are all season ticket holders. Well when I picked up the tickets from her, she says "Try to ignore the old lady 2 rows behind you" And, wow, she was right. This lady yelled "FOUL!" or "WALK!" every time LBS had the ball. Even obvious fouls against us, she was yelling that it was a bad call and should have been against them. You should have to take a basic basktball IQ test, and get a certain score before you can get season tickets. She would have failed.
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Top I hate to get your hopes up man, but I don't see how Kentucky can beat a team like Kansas or Texas in the tournament. They look like they're at a whole other level.
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I don't buy that, and I don't think you do deep down either.
You're saying we can beat UNC and UCONN, but we can't beat Kansas and Texas?
Let's not forget it's still December and we're starting 3 freshmen.
Who has Kansas beaten?
There's more of a gap between the group of Texas/Kansas/Kentucky and everyone else, than there is between Texas/Kansas and Kentucky.
Let's not forget, of those 3 teams, only Kentucky has beaten 2 top 15 teams.
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Add Syracuse into that Top 4 teams.
Those will be the 4 #1 seeds in the tournament, and probably the Final Four.
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I don't buy that, and I don't think you do deep down either.
You're saying we can beat UNC and UCONN, but we can't beat Kansas and Texas?
Yes I actually do. You can sig quote me or mark it down somewhere. Kentucky *could* beat Texas but they have no shot against Kansas. Kansas has a deeper bench, more experience, Kansas has better talent. Lastly the coaching favors Kansas becase Bill Self has already beaten coach Cal in the national championship game.
I will gladly eat crow if I'm wrong.
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Eh, I'm more worried about Texas than I am about Kansas. Kansas hasn't been very impressive this year.
Their best wins are by 10 at home against Cal, and at home by 2 against Memphis.
Eh, I'm not impressed with them.
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Is John Wall going to be considered the best Freshman EVER in college basketball? Gary Parrish from CBS Sportsline thinks by the end of the year, it'll be a conversation worth having.... Link
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Bumpin' this thread to say... Tennessee just knocked off Kansas. Big win for the SEC Down to only 2 undefeated teams in the country. Texas and Kentucky.
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Have not seen Wall play yet, but Kevin Durant would have something to say about it. To lazy to look up his stats but they were unreal as a Freshman.
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Have not seen Wall play yet, but Kevin Durant would have something to say about it. To lazy to look up his stats but they were unreal as a Freshman.
Carmelo averaged 22+ ppg, 10 rpg, and 3 assists.. and he led his team to the national championship with a lot less talent around him than Wall has...
and for no good reason... Pete Maravich wasn't allowed to play as a freshman at LSU but in his first year of eligibility as a sophomore, he averaged 43 ppg, 8 rpg, and 4 assists... but he wasn't technically a freshman...
It's an academic discussion with no way to prove a "winner" but it's fun to discuss...
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It's an academic discussion with no way to prove a "winner" but it's fun to discuss...
Agreed but since you brough the numbers here you go.
Durant avaraged 26 points 11 boards and 2 blocks. Melo does have the whole national championship thing though!
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Had Pete Maravich been allowed to play varsity ball his freshman year there would be no discussion...
The dude averaged 43 ppg as a sophomore, 44+ as a junior and 44+ as a senior... with good rebound and assist numbers to go with it... It's hard to believe that even as a freshman his numbers wouldn't have blown away anybody else in the discussion.
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The Pistola did all that scoring without a three-point line (at least I think i heard that). He made tons a jumpers from the outside, probably would have aproached 50 ppg with the 3 pointer.
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HAHA! Paybacks a ..... Purdue!!!  To bad Lighty let Hummel put up ungodly stats on him in the first half I really want to see John Wall vs. Evan Turner in the tourney 
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Great win for the Buckeyes tonight, they really shut Hummel down in the 2nd half. Give Evan Turner another 2 to 3 weeks to improve his conditioning back to what it was and watch out for the Buckeyes.
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I really want to see John Wall vs. Evan Turner in the tourney
It would be a great individual match-up, no doubt.
But, you guys have no answer for Bledsoe, Patterson, Cousins. The individual match-up would be great... The team match-up, would not be great.
PS- Anyone know who the ONLY 17-0 team in college basketball is!?
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you did a nice job making it look worse than it is by mixing his controversies with things such as :
As was stated that list was a repost, the link was provided. It is simply the bio for Bobby Knight...the fact that it has some good things sprinkled in with all the bad can be attributed to Bobby Knight, not the person that reposted the list.
Speaking of someone trying to use trickery?
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Pitt is back again!!! 14-2 4-0 in the Big East, gotta love the underdog role this year!!
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ugh, you guys really kicked my Huskie's butts. We're really having an off year, and tonight's game really had me going.
I like that guy Wannamaker (i remember him from last year) and whoever your center is. The guy uses his body well and can rebound.
But it's a long season and UConn is young. We just need to find one other guy who can create on his own and score ALA Jerome Dyson. Kemba Walker reminds me of Rondo in that he likes to go to the hoop, is scrappy and ultra athletic, but he just isn't a jump shooter yet. Stanley Robinson has always been an athletic guy who cleans up on the glass, but he doesn't consistently put in points. Nor do either of our big guys.
Mix that with our rebounding woes, turnover issues, and we're just not that great........ YET
Who knows, Oriaki could start putting in buckets for us and may be Coombs-McDaniel will pick it up come Tourney time. As long as my guys are in the tourney i'm happy.........
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Pitt is back again!!! 14-2 4-0 in the Big East, gotta love the underdog role this year!!
14-2 is nice and all, but it's no 17-0!
It's great to be back near the top of the college basketball world!
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^ I don't remember making the above post
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Legend
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Legend
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Big win for the Bucks against the Badgers! Hope we can get it done against West Virginia. Michigan upset Uconn  The big east is good but I honestelly think the Big 10 conference is equivalent to the SEC in football. You can make a leginimate case for numerous teams to make it to the final 4. It is a VERY deep conference. I mean freaking Northwestern is good this year.
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Dawg Talker
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It is nice to see Turner back in action and the bucks playing like they did earlier in the year. I am looking forward to the home stretch.
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Practice Squad
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Practice Squad
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Ingredients for a great weekend:
1 dUNC loss to Ga.Tech + 1 DUKE victory over Weak Forrest
Only question is how long before those Hoos fall back to earth?
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