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He also says that he doesn't care about power at all. Well then what in the world happened with Kokinis? Why are we hearing reports that Mangini called him into his office on day one and laid down the law on how he's going to act, what he can/can't say, etc. Those are ALL power issues.
Why have I never heard reports such as this?! I've heard plenty of opinions and speculations but no reports of that sort.
I get Google alerts on the Browns, read every article on this message board, am a subscriber to a Browns news web site, go through the "Browns Media" list on the main site, yet have never heard reported what you've just said.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I'm hard pressed to come up with a reason it slipped by me.
It used to be on here that when someone made such a statement that they needed to provide a link to a credible/valid source such information; at least give credit to said source. Now it seems anyone can say anything and it blows by like it doesn't matter.
I'd like to see a link to those reports.
That one caught my eye too. Unless it came from EM or GK and neither one of them are talking, it would be BS anyway but as you say I've not seen it anywhere but that post.
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I read that article yesterday, very good post. What I've never understood is why the media goes so negative on Mangini. Most of the various arguments against him are ludicrous. The whole bus trip issue? Boo hoo, rich athletes are suggested to go to a camp for underpriviledged kids. Seems like a worthy cause. The 1700 dollar water. Terry Pluto explained during a TV interview that these rich athletes have EVERYTHING handled for them (bags, own private wing of hotel) and all they have to do is settle incidentals with the hotel. In this case, certain players were repeatedly stiffing the hotel. So they got a fine. The James Davis issue was proven to not be an issue.
What's really important is football performance. Everyone is complaining that Mangini got rid of all talent. May be true that he let several talented players go, but in a few cases I don't think he had a choice. Winslow's relationship with the team was ruined by the previous regime. Braylon wasn't coming back after this year. Might as well get something for these two rather than just let them walk for nothing. Also, trading down in the draft was the right move. This team has too many holes to not get as many draft picks as possible. Yes they are 1-7. But look at the roster after last year and look at how the team finished last year. Should we really have expected 9-7? I'll be honest, I predicted 8-8, but in retrospect that was all wishful thinking. Besides, Mangini kept the best talent on the team: Shaun Rogers, Joe Thomas, and Josh Cribbs.
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I'll say that I desperately want Mangini to succeed here for selfish reasons. I want his big diabolical plan to work just so we don't have to keep rebuilding.
I will say that it was very confusing why the media and a lot of fans hated him so quickly. I mean, I know we have a lot of posters on here who are smarter than all coaches, GMs and media types, but still, it seemed ridiculous.
I have been slowly but surely turning away from Mangini. This article made me feel a *little* better, but he's gotta show it on the field. I know he doesn't make the tackles or the passes, but he makes the personnel decisions and game time decisions.
I'm not going to hold him accountable for DA throwing a pass at a guy's ankles or McDonald missing a tackle, but I will hold him accountable for not recognizing who should be in certain positions.
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TJ...last I looked, Mangini's team was 1-7, with the NFL's worst performing offense and worst performing defense.
Mangini has earned his ticket out of Cleveland, IMO.
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I can tell you exactly why the media doesn't like Mangini....
It's because he is so secretive..
This does several things....
The media is used to other teams and the previous regimes where they had allot more access and information. Well that isn't going to happen here. In fact the information has crept to almost nil. Even on feel good personal stories on the players....So now the "journalist's"(and I use that term loosely) job is 100 X's harder. so that is one strike.
OK so their job is harder...for some like a lazy Livingston and others...it is blasphemy that THEY actually have to do WORK....but for others they try to knuckle down and do their job...they may not like it as much but hey..it beats digging ditches.
The problem is that although they work hard and are working harder...the secret policies have a great effect on the information they get to make a story. The information they get is usually either WRONG or it is ONLY PART OF THE STORY. And there is little chance for them to confirm their information, especially in this drive thru, I want it now ,news outlet, main stream media that is expected by society today.
So they do the best they can with the info they have with the deadlines that are continually creeping up on them. The problem with this is their story (and hence our main source of information about the team) is seriously flawed.
Now eventually information may come out...and most often it either contradicts or explains away the vitrol expressed in a previous story. And that just makes the Hard working jounralist, who is doing his job in the right way(except for confirming the entire story due to time constraints) lose a ton of respectability and credibility......especially within the comunity of journalists...
so lets see...make my job 100 times harder, and make me look like a horses patoot to my peers when practically no other Head Coach takes this approach...I think I might have a grudge against him as well...
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Mangini knew about Quinn's incentives
Posted by Mike Florio on November 11, 2009 8:41 AM ET
Late last night (technically, early this morning), we posted a quote from a CBS interview of coach Eric Mangini during which the embattled football boss claimed not to know the terms of the incentives in his new/old starting quarterback's contract.
The key here is the tense of the verb that Mangini selected. Leaving no room for ambiguity as to the possibility that he perhaps didn't know about the $10.9 million in future escalators tied to taking 70 percent of the snaps this season, Mangini said "I don't know" -- not "didn't" or "hadn't" or "couldn't" or "wouldn't."
At the time, we didn't elaborate all that much given the ridiculous nature of claim. And because it was really late. (Technically, really early.) Instead, we concluded simply that Mangini is lying or incompetent. (Some of you have pointed out that "and" should have been included as an option, too.)
On reflection, we're convinced he's lying. For starters, we know that he reads PFT. And we've mentioned Quinn's contractual incentives and escalators throughout training camp and the regular season.
There's also specific evidence that Mangini knows.
Last week, owner Randy Lerner was asked whether the escalators were a factor in Quinn's Week Three benching. Lerner didn't say, "What escalators?" Instead, Lerner said "[n]one at all."
And as one of our more loyal readers points out, Mangini was asked about the impact of the escalator in August, while he was still trying to figure out whether Quinn or Anderson would be the Week One starter.
"Not one bit," Mangini said in response to whether Quinn's escalators would influence the decision.
If the Lerner is trying to stiff G.M. George Kokinis simply because Kokinis eventually was worn down by Mangini's apparent efforts to dominate the team's personnel decisions, Mangini might already have said enough to get himself fired with cause, too.
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That seems kind of petty. What I got from Mangini is that any escalators didn't enter into his decision, not whether he actually knew about the escalators or not.
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Mangini's philosophy is absolute gold. I 100% agree with it.
But the execution of that philosophy has been garbage. And that's where I have a problem.
Ding ding! Winner winner! Well said.
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You need to review this ..
Mangini: No, absolutely not. With all the different contracts ... I don't know what the incentives are. But that wouldn't make my decision [even if I did]. In New York, being involved with draft picks, and here being involved with draft picks, my philosophy is if you're right you're right. But if you're not right you can't compound a decision by playing a guy who doesn't give the team the best chance to win because the players see that, and everybody knows.
He clearly says he doesn't know what the incentives are..he does..with a QB and any skill position on a team..a coach knows..a coach is aware of contacts..that factors into trades/extensions...etc
It might be negligent if he didn't know.
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With 11 million on the line no agent in their right mind would allow it to go unnoticed by the man who make or breaks that deal....
If he says he doesn't know he should be relieved of duty for 1: being stupid or 2: lying stupidly and believing people are that stupid...which is stupid.
Everyone who follows the Browns knows the contract deal with Quinn
The BS meter rose a ton when I read this article.
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EM is quite the scholar when in front of the press. He sure can spin a web.
OK OK...This is where the hate and vitrol just get in the way of good 'ole brain function...
Now think about this....
If Mangini could just flip the switch so easily from Hyde to Dr. Jekyll and spin these magical webs.....don't you think he would have been doing so from the very begininning???? I mean if spinning a web, or deceit is the aim...he could have been doing this since Day One. He could have been playing us all, but he didn't. He has kept everything close to the chest. And everything you have read or heard up to this point has been pure speculation, conjecture, and assumption. But yet that conjecture has been so drilled into your head....that is what you believe???
Sounds reasonable...  
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I'm not saying the guy is telling the truth. I'm just saying my reading of it was that he said the escalators and contract language didn't make his decision on Quinn. Once again, I'm not saying that's the truth, I'm just saying that's how I read it.
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He may not know all the fine details. Just the basics like we do.
We are still guessing if it's start 70% of the games or take 70% of the snaps or sit and watch DA throw to the grass 70% of the time.
It is possible he knows of the contract and some details, but not all. These contracts are complicated and most take a lawyer to truly understand.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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It factored in his decision..I'm not at all saying he yanked him just because of the escalators..
Quinn wasn't playing like he should have been, plus the things that happened behind the scenes...changing plays, questioning the Manpolen and his underling..
But was he going to have a QB (due to make 11mill )play and play badly with having those $$$$$$ kick in and they're not getting positive production from it?
Nope..thats why I feel strongly he's lying..he can't admit those incentives are part of it.
It really is that simple..if not why yank the kid after two games?
He stuck with Dagwood for how many games???
Florida, he doesn't have to know every single fine print in there..but he does know the basics..they are aware of playing time incentives..
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I think Mangini knows the writing is on the wall, especially if the rumors of Lerner already talking buyout with Mangini is true. The interview was a total PR move and you have to give Mangini credit, he sold it almost perfectly.
the quinn stuff is almost instantaneous eye catching BS and no matter how it is spun from here on out the total perception is that the organization was cheap and they screwed the guy out of his money. This is the kind of stuff every single team in the NFL will spin about the browns when it comes to competition for Free Agents. That statement hurt the Browns.
Sad part is that if he had made an attempt to fix the right side of the line by bringing in competition for st claire and keeping hank at rg, along with firing his incompetent OC, Mangini would be held a hero that is attacking the weakpoints of this team. Now there is to much blood in the shark tank.
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I can tell you exactly why the media doesn't like Mangini....
It's because he is so secretive..
Yup,,, that's exactly it and if confronted, I guarantee you that no media type will admit it.
Go back to when Mangini and Kokinis were first hired. Remember they weren't telling the Press anything therefore we weren't getting any news either. And it was suspected that the reason folks were getting fired was because they leaked info. Well, Grossi and the rest of the hacks in this town and in the national sports media complex just beat on Mangini..
Not for things he'd actually done, but for things they suspected he'd done or not done.
I've come to the conclusion that if the media doesn't get info, they make stuff up and report it so that it will cause the Browns to respond.. Then they beat hell out of the response..
But don't listen to me, I hate the media... so I'm not the one you should believe
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EM is quite the scholar when in front of the press. He sure can spin a web.
OK OK...This is where the hate and vitrol just get in the way of good 'ole brain function...
Now think about this....
If Mangini could just flip the switch so easily from Hyde to Dr. Jekyll and spin these magical webs.....don't you think he would have been doing so from the very begininning???? I mean if spinning a web, or deceit is the aim...he could have been doing this since Day One. He could have been playing us all, but he didn't. He has kept everything close to the chest. And everything you have read or heard up to this point has been pure speculation, conjecture, and assumption. But yet that conjecture has been so drilled into your head....that is what you believe???
Sounds reasonable...
Pete...I will address this line, specifically..."If Mangini could just flip the switch so easily from Hyde to Dr. Jekyll and spin these magical webs.....don't you think he would have been doing so from the very begininning???? "
Why does Mangini appear to be a spin master now?...and not at the beginning of the season?....Mangini knows his job and future as a head coach in the NFL are on the line, now.
Mangini acted as if he was untouchable until Lerner started showing his public displeasure, first firing Mangini's appointee, Erin O'Brien, then Kokinis. Mangini knows he is the next to go and is looking for any way he can to justify his teams poor record and poor performance, offensively and defensively.
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Daman the BS meter is going off once again. This team has been a freaking embarrassment in 7 of the 8 games. That isnt the media making things up to get rid of Mangini. Dude, Mangini has this team behind the 99 team in almost every single freaking statistic. When the Saints defense has outscored our offense something is seriously freaking wrong.
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If you say so mac...I mean Randy has only said in many published reports that Mangini's Job is safe. Mangini's Job being in jeopardy is all speculation from everyone OUTSIDE the organization.
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Daman the BS meter is going off once again. This team has been a freaking embarrassment in 7 of the 8 games.
The funny thing is, when you say the team has been an embarrassment in 7 out of 8 games. Your not talking about that 1 win not being an embarrasment.
It seemed like them beating Buffaloe 6-3 with DA having the lowest QB rating for a winning QB was almost as bad as them losing. The Cincy game, losing with 3 seconds of overtime left was the only non embarrasment. Especailly considering how good Cincy has been this year.
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Pete...Mangini's future as the Browns HC will most likely be in the hands of the "football czar" Randy Lerner hires.
I believe what we are seeing now is a Mangini, trying to position himself so he has a chance to remain as the Browns HC.
I find it interesting that Mangini, the one who has had little to say to the media, is now selectively giving interviews to discuss what "good men" we now have on the team.
Mangini realizes, all his dreams of being an NFL HC are suddenly on the line.
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A question (and this is purely hypothetical, so don't think I'm advocating that this is the way it is).
What if Lerner getting PO'd and getting rid of some of these FO people has opened up Mangini's eyes? What if Mangini's ego has been checked and he's essentially been put in his place?
Would people be more supportive of him?
I mean, what if we hired a guy like a Parcells or a Holmgren to run things, but Mangini stayed as HC?
In other words, do we feel comfortable enough with his decision making as a coach vs. how we feel about his FO moves, drafting, and general personality?
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I'll answer that.
First, it doesn't matter what Manpolen's eye sees..he'll sidestep anything now..he went from he'll have a hand in the decision making to " I'll definitely talk to Randy about it"
Note, he didn't say he 'will' have any say in the matter only that he will talk to Randy about it. A little tap dancing imo.
Doesn't mention Randy will be talking to him about it as if his opinion is needed just that by his association to the 'process' he will be part of it.
It's not a matter of whether any fan supports him..
It's whether the new FO will..
What should happen is Randy hires his VP of football ops..who in turn hires a GM..those guys will decide on whether they give Manpolen another year or they make him walk the plank..
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Daman you have convinced me.. Lerner should never address the media. Mangini should never address the media. NOBODY from Berea should EVER address the media.. the more I see folks from the Browns address the media and the more I see fans whining and crying and bitching and moaning and parsing every single word, the more I'm convinced that I would advise Lerner and Mangini...... NEVER talk to the media...
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Mourgrym ; The team is 1-7 ( Barley ) , The product on the field is garbage week in and week out .. We find these truths to be self evident .. I am at a compete loss as to how anyone can support Mangini or the Organization in it's present state ???
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The team is 1-7 ( Barley )
Is that similar to being 1-7 (Hops)? 
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I'm still trying to figure out what the crime is if he did make the decision based, in part, by his contract.
Quinn had every chance to come in and blow the doors off. Granted, he was hindered by play-calling and bad execution (and tough opponents), but he didn't make the undeniable case that he should start. He could have but he blew it.
The fact that he blew that chance and introduced doubt concerning his abilities is the reason why he lost the job and as a result, missed his escalators.
I think it would have bee irresponsible to NOT at least consider team econimics when your dealing with a player that may not have any impact on the wins and loses and him earning 11 MILLION DOLLARS!
11 million dollars. Think about how much money that is. It's easy to overlook that when you're talking about NFL salaries. It's almost like play money. But it is a ton of money.
If I own the team, I would openly admit that the QB's play, and his ability to affect (or not) the end result absolutely came into consideration when evaluating the situation with his escalators. It's the very reason why there are performance escalators. The situation was made worse only by the laughably bad performance of DA.
You perform and take away any doubts and this isn't even an issue. Why everyone is crying for this kid (even though he's still a millionaire) is beyond me. I'll never have the kind of money he has for sitting on a bench on the shore of Lake Erie.
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Daman the BS meter is going off once again. This team has been a freaking embarrassment in 7 of the 8 games.
The funny thing is, when you say the team has been an embarrassment in 7 out of 8 games. Your not talking about that 1 win not being an embarrasment.
It seemed like them beating Buffaloe 6-3 with DA having the lowest QB rating for a winning QB was almost as bad as them losing. The Cincy game, losing with 3 seconds of overtime left was the only non embarrasment. Especailly considering how good Cincy has been this year.
I called even that one...it was our "statement game" and I said back then that it doesn't get better than that game BEFORE the game...the BUF game was awful all around and it was easily the worst NFL game I've EVER seen...it basically came down to 2 muffed PR going our way...the deciding one not even a "forced" one....just a brain fart by Parrish...we were outgained by over 100yds in that game and simply got lucky against BUF in their worst season performance to boot
I recommend to all of you to bet all of what you can afford on BAL -10 this MNG or whatever the 1st H line will be....or both...this will be the ultimate embarrassement on national TV....mark it down
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A question (and this is purely hypothetical, so don't think I'm advocating that this is the way it is).
What if Lerner getting PO'd and getting rid of some of these FO people has opened up Mangini's eyes? What if Mangini's ego has been checked and he's essentially been put in his place?
Would people be more supportive of him?
I mean, what if we hired a guy like a Parcells or a Holmgren to run things, but Mangini stayed as HC?
In other words, do we feel comfortable enough with his decision making as a coach vs. how we feel about his FO moves, drafting, and general personality?
bj79...I honestly believe, this sudden change in Mangini's demeanor, attempting to use the media to explain what he has done and is trying to do with the team, is a result of Lerner's recent actions..firing Erin O'Brien, hiring Bernie Kosar, firing Kokinis and Lerner admitting, he needs to hire someone to run the football side of the franchise.
Mangini realizes his future as the Browns HC will likely depend on whom Lerner hires to fill the "football czar" opening.
Can articles such as this one, save Mangini's job in Cleveland?
I seriously doubt it...
Mangini should be judged on the team's performance on the football field, not by the "spin doctoring" Mangini produces for public consumption, in articles such as this.
Forgetting all the spin...Mangini has produced the worst performing team in the NFL in the first half of the season...his future may already be determined...as I said above, Mangini's future with the Browns will be up to the new Czar.
Anything is possible...winning solves many ills...we shall see.
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Mourgrym ; The team is 1-7 ( Barley ) , The product on the field is garbage week in and week out .. We find these truths to be self evident .. I am at a compete loss as to how anyone can support Mangini or the Organization in it's present state ???
Teh delusional fan will believe whatever their delusional HC spins....now the "media-conspiracy" is the apology of the month...in 2-3 weeks it will be "injuries"
I say forget what the media says...goor or bad...forget what EM says....look at the games, the performances, their effort, their "schemes"....and then tell me with a straight face that EM& the other stooges are doing a good or even "decent" job
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On reflection, we're convinced he's lying. For starters, we know that he reads PFT. And we've mentioned Quinn's contractual incentives and escalators throughout training camp and the regular season.
Gotta love Florio.....of course, mangini was lying...he is detail-oriented, so he would know about the escalators. whatever.
but to throw out there that proof of him lying is that he reads your column and that you mentioned it before is one of the more narcisstic things I've read lately. Good laughs this morning. Thank you Florio.
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parsing every single word
That is the truth.
I'm no Mangini supporter, but I think if he mentioned that went to McDonalds for lunch and had fries. Someone would make the assumption that it was secret speak for "he likes Charlie Fry as QB."
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Forgetting all the spin
Which you are not doing...because you have taken all of theOUTSIDE stories and have made up your mind that the "LAW HAS BEEN LAID DOWN" in Berea, as well as many other assumptions concerning how and why Mangini is giving this interview.
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Mangini has produced the worst performing team in the NFL in the first half of the season
I beg to differ....We have one of the better Special Teams in the game. We have a Defense that could be at least average if not for being on the field for most of the game(you do realize that they are on the field an average of 10 minutes for the 4th quarter...) They are also one of the best disciplined teams in the league(when was the last time you could say that about the Browns???) And they have done this with a stripped down team.
What has been dragging this football team down into the pits of hell has been the Offense. The Offense has dragged the rest of the team down. Their ineptness has forced the defense to tire out. Their ineptness has magnified any little mistake made by any player. Their ineptness has masked any progression to be perceived by anyone. So if you want to be fair...they have produced one of the worst Offenses the NFL has ever seen in the first half of the season.
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his future may already be determined
the key word here is "may".
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as I said above, Mangini's future with the Browns will be up to the new Czar.
assumption...a reasonable assumption (and frankly I agree)....but still an assumption.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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Mourgrym ; The team is 1-7
This team is the worst the Browns have had in a long time. I mean, we might win one game this year. When's the last time we did that? Unfortunately, our offense is completely out of sink. Our defense is not really good either. We are the most dysfunctional, disorganized, team that simply doesn't seem to be cohesive at all. Our guys don't play hard, and they don't produce whatsoever. These are all issues that come down on Mangini. As Head Coach, he's where it all lands on.
I sure hope we get an entirely new organization, whether or not it takes a big buyout of Mangini to do it. This season has been an absolute failure and with our GM gone, we might as well lose Mangini while we conviniently can.
It's not like he's really helped this team with many of it's issues. And he's even created some holes of his own. Our receivers don't get much seperation and when they do, they drop the ball........ Our O-Line is not paticularly good, and we need an upgrade at the RT position badly.
Hopefully we see huge improvements out of Robiskie and Massaquoi next year, otherwise we could be in real trouble. I wonder who the FA WRs are next year, we've never been so weak at that position I don't think.
Our cornerbacks are terrible as well. Daven Holly sure looks good now............
I'd consider keeping Rob Ryan, but otherwise the staff can be replaced.......
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A question (and this is purely hypothetical, so don't think I'm advocating that this is the way it is).
What if Lerner getting PO'd and getting rid of some of these FO people has opened up Mangini's eyes? What if Mangini's ego has been checked and he's essentially been put in his place?
Would people be more supportive of him?
I mean, what if we hired a guy like a Parcells or a Holmgren to run things, but Mangini stayed as HC?
In other words, do we feel comfortable enough with his decision making as a coach vs. how we feel about his FO moves, drafting, and general personality?
No. He's not a good football coach or a FO guy. Period. Forget about the other stuff.
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I'd consider keeping Rob Ryan, but otherwise the staff can be replaced.......
i like Ryan-he shows some promise. Do i remember that he was hired BEFORE Linguini?
the rest can go...
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I'd consider keeping Rob Ryan, but otherwise the staff can be replaced.......
i like Ryan-he shows some promise. Do i remember that he was hired BEFORE Linguini?
the rest can go...
No Mangini brought Ryan. He actually tried to get him before his last year with the Jets, but Al Davis would not let Ryan leave.
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He also says that he doesn't care about power at all. Well then what in the world happened with Kokinis? Why are we hearing reports that Mangini called him into his office on day one and laid down the law on how he's going to act, what he can/can't say, etc. Those are ALL power issues.
Why have I never heard reports such as this?! I've heard plenty of opinions and speculations but no reports of that sort.
I get Google alerts on the Browns, read every article on this message board, am a subscriber to a Browns news web site, go through the "Browns Media" list on the main site, yet have never heard reported what you've just said.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I'm hard pressed to come up with a reason it slipped by me.
It used to be on here that when someone made such a statement that they needed to provide a link to a credible/valid source such information; at least give credit to said source. Now it seems anyone can say anything and it blows by like it doesn't matter.
I'd like to see a link to those reports.
Ask and you shall receive.
Via Patrick McManamon, this is from ohio.com:
One source told a story of Kokinis being called into coach Eric Mangini's office shortly after his hiring, and Mangini laying down the rules under which he would have to operate.
Appreciate this picture: The coach was telling the GM how he should act.
Kokinis is a pleasant and nonconfrontational person, so instead of fighting things, he went along, figuring that over time his role as GM would carry enough credence that he could overcome some of these problems.
Link to the article
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He also says that he doesn't care about power at all. Well then what in the world happened with Kokinis? Why are we hearing reports that Mangini called him into his office on day one and laid down the law on how he's going to act, what he can/can't say, etc. Those are ALL power issues.
Why have I never heard reports such as this?! I've heard plenty of opinions and speculations but no reports of that sort.
I get Google alerts on the Browns, read every article on this message board, am a subscriber to a Browns news web site, go through the "Browns Media" list on the main site, yet have never heard reported what you've just said.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I'm hard pressed to come up with a reason it slipped by me.
It used to be on here that when someone made such a statement that they needed to provide a link to a credible/valid source such information; at least give credit to said source. Now it seems anyone can say anything and it blows by like it doesn't matter.
I'd like to see a link to those reports.
That one caught my eye too. Unless it came from EM or GK and neither one of them are talking, it would be BS anyway but as you say I've not seen it anywhere but that post.
See post and link above. I respect Patrick McManaman, and while obviously I have no idea about the credibility of his source, if he printed it, I'd say he thinks its pretty true.
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