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Harbaugh to Mich.
If Mike Holmgren comes here, then its either Gruden to Cleveland or Mariucci to Cleveland.
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I'd like to see how former Michigan QB and current Stanford head coach Jim Harbaugh fares against Ohio State. - If we play Stanford, and lose, the U of M is going to do everything they can to bring him in as HC.
An Ohio State vs Oregon matchup would be cool - that way Ohio State and Boise would have faced a common opponent.
Harbaugh and Michigan have some bad blood brewing over the past few years. I do remember Harbaugh taking some shots at michigan a few years back.
It does seem like michigan has quit on Rich Rod. Ever since he took out Forcier against Iowa that team hasn't been the same. If Ohio State lays a number on michigan, I could see Rich gettng fired.
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No one is ever totally happy with anything Tressel does.
If fired, he would be unemployed for about two and a half seconds.
I don't like everything that he does on every occasion either, but I wouldn't trade him for any coach in college football. None. Period.
I particularly kind of like being one of five or six teams in the country, who -- before the season even starts -- EVERY year, you know have to be "eliminated" from the Championship Hunt. If you are a fan of any other team in the Nation, then Ohio State is one of those teams.
There's no denying TRessel's accomplishments, but I still would take a handful of coaches over him. He has won the big 10, when michigan has been down for the most part, and penn state has been up and down. To me he still needs to beat an Sec team, or Usc on the big stage.
AS far as us being a national contender, Cooper had us high every year for the most part.
Anyway these are the coaches I would take over Tress:
1.Urban Meyer
2.Nick Saban
3.Pete Carrol
4.Les MIles
5.Brian Kelly- See a huge upside with Kelly. He will be a hot commodity this winter.
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One of the best, no doubt.
Gear shift,...
Wish Arizona would have won yesterday,...now they have no shot at the PAC-10 Title. Don't really care who the Rose opponent is, Ohio State is not a particularly good bowl team, 50-50. Stanford still has a good chance to come out of this.
Discuss,...
AZ still is in it....Pac10 is strange because the top teams still get to play each other the next few weeks.
Oregon, Stanford, Az, Oregon State are the possible champions and that is the order that I think it is likely.
I would love to see Stanford because I think they would be a fun matchup, but I think the Buckeyes "need" Oregon to win. Just because we need to start earning back our national respect and if we beat Stanford, the media will be able to chalk it up to the Cardinal overachieving to even get there.
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1.Urban Meyer
2.Nick Saban
3.Pete Carrol
4.Les MIles
5.Brian Kelly- See a huge upside with Kelly. He will be a hot commodity this winter.
If I were a Buck fan I would not trade tress, I have always loved the way he coaches. I think it's perfect for the Big 10. But I have to say You would take Les Miles or Brian Kelly over Mack Brown.....I hate to see that my man Mack can't get in that list. I think he is up there with those top three.
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Mack Brown is a good coach, but "up with the top 3"... I get you're a UT fan, but wow, just look at this list and tell me who doesn't belong... Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Mack Brown 
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Mack 125-26 Urban 54-9 Pistol Pete 95-18 I would say he belongs. I mean if you want a guy that wins. Mack has recreated UT into a national power year in and year out. He is very well repescted and has won a bunch of games. Yeah I think he belongs. 
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I agree he belongs...there are a whole host of coaches who are top level. I think he gets lost a bit because it took him a while while at places like App St, Tulane, and NC.
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just look at this list and tell me who doesn't belong...
Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Mack Brown
is it the only one that has never finished #1 in the AP Poll? 
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There's no denying TRessel's accomplishments, but I still would take a handful of coaches over him. He has won the big 10, when michigan has been down for the most part, and penn state has been up and down. To me he still needs to beat an Sec team, or Usc on the big stage.
For him to do that.. he's going to need SEC type players and he can't get enough of them at OSU.. neither could Pete Carroll or Nick Saban for that matter. It's not Tressel, he is doing the best he can with the players he can get. There are some very high quality football players in the region (PA, OH, MI, etc), just not enough to go 2 deep at every position the way some of the SEC teams do.... and its hard to lure them out of the southeast... I mean really, which is the easier sell? Tressel asking kids to leave the sun and the beach and the fun to come north to Columbus... or Carroll and Meyer telling guys to leave the cold and the dreary to come play some football on the beach? I mean really....
Tressel has built the premier program in the region for now, he's getting the best players he can get, he's winning big 10 championships, he competing nationally, he even won a national championship 6 or 7 years ago.... if the cards fall the right way he could win another one at some point... it is what it is and I don't think getting a big name coach frol the SEC is going to make it any better.
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The other side of that is, for a high school player: I could start as a sophomore, or redshirt freshman at OSU, whereas I may have to wait till I'm a jr. at a florida, usc, etc......
Play in cool weather earlier, or play later in my career in great weather......what do I want to do?
My guess is USC will have trouble attracting top notch qb's this year? Why? Barkley seems to be entrenched as the starter for as long as he's there, even though he's not doing as well right now.
Whatever school Tebow plays for? They'll probably get some big names at qb. OSU? Probably not this year.
Players want to play, not sit.
Michigan.......I doubt they get top notch talent at qb this year, with forcier, robinson (?) as true freshman getting the starts/playing time.
qb is just one position - the one I highlighted.
But, I really believe h.s. players look not only at the school, but at the competition they'll have for playing time. At least the blue chips do IMO.
Now, if everything were equal - a warm weather team would have the advantage, granted.
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When you're in the shape that the Big Ten is in right now (And even if you are a Big Ten fan, you cannot deny the fact that they're in bad shape), you have to do something to get some respectablility back. You have to add someone. Even if it's not the team you want.
Unfortunately for you, it's going to be hard to had a Big East team like Pitt because of basketball. So if you're looking at someone who would benefit by moving to the Big Ten, you need to look at a team like Cincinnati.
I would really like to see Cincinnati as a part of the Big Ten. Then I would do what I had to do to lure away Notre Dame and West Virginia and just rename the conference the Big Midwest Conference.  I could see that doing wonders for the conference.
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as I mentioned before in this thread....the big10 presidents will not let a tier3 academic school like UC into the big10. same goes for WVU
ND, Rutgers and Pitt (in that order) are the only real options.
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Arch I understand what you are saying... but even if Tebow was a sophomore, if you are a blue chip QB in the southeast then you look at Florida State, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Miami, etc... it's a long way down before most of them would look at OSU even if they thought they could start immediately.
I'm not saying its impossible.. but I agree in theory, kids look at playing time, they also look at the schools reputation (and the coaching staffs reputation) for developing players at their position, and their chances to get to the NFL.....
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When you're in the shape that the Big Ten is in right now (And even if you are a Big Ten fan, you cannot deny the fact that they're in bad shape), you have to do something to get some respectablility back. You have to add someone. Even if it's not the team you want.
Unfortunately for you, it's going to be hard to had a Big East team like Pitt because of basketball. So if you're looking at someone who would benefit by moving to the Big Ten, you need to look at a team like Cincinnati.
I would really like to see Cincinnati as a part of the Big Ten. Then I would do what I had to do to lure away Notre Dame and West Virginia and just rename the conference the Big Midwest Conference. I could see that doing wonders for the conference.
Only Cincinnati would benefit,...who cares if there is no conference championship game,...The Big East and Pac-10 do not have one and it didn't do anything but create controversy in the Big 12 last year.
If the Big Ten really wanted to have one, who says it has to be because of adding a team,...? I'd just as soon drop one.
As far as respectability goes, it wouldn't even be a national theme but with just one win of either of the 2 Title Games. The only respectability Ohio State doesn't get is from haters.
Before the season ever starts, you want Ohio State (and about 3-4 others) out of the way.
If that's not respect, then who cares ? What does it really matter ?
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I think the possibility of going to the NFL is what stands out to most prospects. - That's where Tressell has the upper hand on every coach mentioned except for Pete Carroll and Mack Brown. - Especially after the upcoming draft.
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as I mentioned before in this thread....the big10 presidents will not let a tier3 academic school like UC into the big10. same goes for WVU
ND, Rutgers and Pitt (in that order) are the only real options.
I have always felt the Big 11 needs a western school to round out the conference...I could see Iowa State or Missouri being a target.....they need to get to 12 teams and start playing a championship game instead of this rinky dink stuff where the season is over before Thanksgiving.
If they do move east, Syracuse would make a good addition....though WV would as well.....but i think they would welcome a NY addition and provide another top institution.
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I keep hearing that if ND ever moves into a conference for football, it will be the Big East.
Personally, in the Big 10, I'd love, absolutely love, to see West Virginia.
Gimme OSU-Michigan in the final week, and then a conference title game.
- That way, Big 10 teams don't have the unfair burden of such a long layoff between the regular season and bowl season.
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I keep hearing that if ND ever moves into a conference for football, it will be the Big East.
Personally, in the Big 10, I'd love, absolutely love, to see West Virginia.
Gimme OSU-Michigan in the final week, and then a conference title game.
- That way, Big 10 teams don't have the unfair burden of such a long layoff between the regular season and bowl season.
I am a Big 10 fan myself, but the Big 10 gives themselves the layoff between the regular season and bowl season. It isn't unfair because they do it to themselves.
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Doesn't seem to bother anyone else,...it's only a week's difference, sometimes two, and could easily be fixed by starting later.
It's the cash,...they're in a hurry for the TV money.
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It's the cash,...they're in a hurry for the TV money.
one of the few instances where that is not true. the big10 would make more $$$ by expanding the season by building more bye weeks into it and moving a big game like UM v. OSU to Thanksgiving weekend.
also, a championship game would make more $$$ as well.
it just makes the university presidents feel a little better about themselves if they keep 'finals' week football free....even if you say that it doesn't matter about football players, they counter that it does because the student body doens't have a game to travel to either.
eventually, the $$$ will likely win out.
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for all the ribbing you take here....can't believe I forgot and it looks like others did as well (or didn't notice).... Kentucky football is bowl eligible for 2009....congratulations. and that is with 2 games to play where you can get yourself into a pretty good game.....hope you beat Tenn and Georgia....good luck 
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Thanks. We need to win at least 1 of those games, because I'm not sure 6-6 goes bowling at all this year 
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with 2 BCS spots pretty much sewn up...that gives the SEC 10 bowl partnerships (important since non-affiliated bowls must select 7-5 teams ahead of 6-6 teams regardless of conference). http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projectionsIf Tennessee wins another game (Vandy and Kentucky)....then, that will make 10 SEC bowl eligible teams. Only way you don't make a bowl is if you lose out.....and Miss St. wins out to become the 11th bowl eligible team....and all the bowls pick Miss St. and possibly SCar and Ark over Kentucky. Miss St. has @Ark and Ole Miss.....so it's possible, just not likely. But, I'm hoping Tenn loses to Vandy and you beat them so Lane Kiffin can lose that recruiting class he is building.
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Georgia and Tennessee are beatable. If we can somehow pull off two big wins in a row, we can get to 8-4 and we'd likely be going to the Outback bowl to play either Penn State or Wisconsin (depending on if the Fiesta Bowl takes Iowa).
I doubt we get to 8 wins, but its not impossible.
Right now I'm just hoping for a split in these next 2 games, to get to 7-5, which will probably put us in like the Chick-fil-A bowl against an ACC team. Clemson maybe.
Most likely, we'll finish with 6 wins, and if we go bowling it will be the Papajohns.com bowl against a Big East team. West Virgina? Rutgers?
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