|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,802 |
Ron Jaworski > DeepThreat  I don't tend to argue by just throwing out other people's opinions as points but if Jaws has reason to think he has high ceiling, so do I. That guy watches a ton of film and is very sharp in his evaluations about the quarterback position.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Formerly 4yikes2yoshi0
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030 |
Dude makes a point Deep..........Jaws has forgot more about the QB position than anyone on this board will ever know. Jaws could be wrong about Quinn, but he's been right about QBs a whole lot more than he's been wrong. I am skeptical about Quinn at this point as well, but Jaws comments do make me go hmmmm.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
I'm of the same opinion. I was one of the only one even trying to attempt to support him. And I think most here know that I'm not a homer and I watch my fair share of ball.
I do think he's going to be a good one. Whether he can be a great one or not is up to him and his team. He has all the tools.
I think he went through some sort of mental block earlier in the year. Don't know what it was but I do expect at least adequate QB play the rest of the year. And I look forward to watching it.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109 |
How many GM's and draft experts have been wrong about QB's?
I will say this: If Quinn can get past his mental block he can be decent. I won't say good, because he is too inaccurate throwing down field and doesn't have a strong arm to truly be "good". With the right scheme, and the right surrounding talent, maybe he can be decent.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030 |
Alot have been wrong.................and guess what they know a hell of alot more about football than either you or me still. Like I said if I had to guess right now I would be skeptical of Quinn myself. I've seen some good last year, and some really bad this year. However, I don't pretend to know as much about QBs as a guy like Jaws or McDaniels do, and if they seem to be hot on him it does make me go hmmm.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109 |
I don't like putting others' opinions on a pedestal. For the most part, I tend to think that most people don't know a whole lot than many on here.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030 |
The you are arrogant. Those people have been working around football longer than you have been alive. Put it this way..........you consider yourself a "scout" correct??? Well when you've been doing that for 20 or 30 years not only on a web site, but in the NFL then you can consider yourself their equal.
Sorry you or me or anyone else on this board or someone writing a dumbass draft site or blog on the internet for that matter (not a shot at you, but at the number of idiots who think they are qualified to run an NFL team because they have a cool draft site....it bugs me) isn't as qualified to talk about player personnel as these people are. We are fans, and have the ability to have passionate opinions based on the limited portion of the game we see on TV. Heck I think Mangini is an idiot, but no way do I think I could come close to knowing as much football as he does.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,341
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,341 |
Hey, speak for yourself. 
![[Linked Image from i28.photobucket.com]](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/shadedog/mcenroe2.jpg) gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109 |
I'm not even talking about me. I'm saying this: I know people who are just as good at evaluating talent compared to some or many in the NFL. I guarantee you that if you took the drafts from several people on here, they'd be better than those that the Browns have had.
I don't consider myself in that category.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030 |
Lol.  Put it this way......I had a friend on this board that loves Brady.......loves him. Well when Mike Lombardi came out against Quinn as strongly as he did it made him go HMMM. Of course it didn't make him change his opinion, but he wasn't arrogant enough (and this guy's pretty arrogant...lol....hope he reads that) to no take Lombardi's opinion into consideration. It didn't change his mind (and it shouldn't have everyone has a right to their opinion), but when someone of Lombardi's knowledge speaks on a subject then you should take it into consideration. The same applys here. If you, me, Deep, the Pope, or whomever thinks Quinn is a question mark then Jaws/McDaniels being hot for him shouldn't immediately change our mind...........because like Deep says even the experts get it wrong. You should however respect the knowledge that these guys have, and take their opinion into consideration. Oh and you shouldn't think your on equal footing with someone who's been in the NFL longer than anyone under 30 has been alive.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 17,284 |
1. Loves Brady Quinn 2. Arrogant Hmmm wonder who it could be?  Oh wait damn that's a lot of people! 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,683
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,683 |
Quote:
Quote:
Josh McDaniels is the only guy out there who could make him work.
I think he is a guy who could make Quinn work.
The only guy. No.
x2
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,440
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,440 |
Quote:
Josh McDaniels is the only guy out there who could make him work.
This might be one of the silliest things I've ever seen written on here. Mostly because you probably really believe.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850 |
Quote:
Quote:
Josh McDaniels is the only guy out there who could make him work.
This might be one of the silliest things I've ever seen written on here. Mostly because you probably really believe.
I didnt understand that comment either..  Josh McDaniels? They are starting a downward trend now.. He is no czar..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109 |
I'm talking as an offensive mind, not a head coach. The guy who has Kyle Orton putting up great numbers. People will continue to believe Quinn is good, and that the team is holding him back. It's not true.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,960 |
Quote:
People will continue to believe Quinn is good, and that the team is holding him back. It's not true.
You may be right,, dunno. But when he had some help, DA looked better. Even Quinn last year looked better than what he did so far this year.
What changed? HC, OC and the loss of KW and BE coupled with a little more beat up Lewis and no Ryan Tucker on the right side...
GIven that, it's at least fair to think that either QB could be better than what they've shown this year? (or course, Quinn and DA both had BE for a little while this year)
But is either good enough.. I'm not hopeful.. not even a little.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,833
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,833 |
Quote:
I'm not even talking about me. I'm saying this: I know people who are just as good at evaluating talent compared to some or many in the NFL. I guarantee you that if you took the drafts from several people on here, they'd be better than those that the Browns have had.
I don't consider myself in that category.
just watch Mel Kuiper in the war room on draft day and you could do better than some GMs
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950 |
So who's gonna wanna bet, next year at this time, Josh Mcdaniels is under extreme fire, with his job on the line, and media is yelling he's no billichek and he's not a good fit for Denver....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
Quote:
So who's gonna wanna bet, next year at this time, Josh Mcdaniels is under extreme fire, with his job on the line, and media is yelling he's no billichek and he's not a good fit for Denver....
next year?
they've dropped 3 in a row and have SD coming up next for the division lead.....oh, and his starting QB might be Chris Simms for that game who went 3/13 in relief for injured Orton.
I still think he'll be fine and Nolan is one heck of a DC on the other side of things.....but it's funny how quickly things change in the NFL
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,044 |
Quote:
I'm not even talking about me. I'm saying this: I know people who are just as good at evaluating talent compared to some or many in the NFL. I guarantee you that if you took the drafts from several people on here, they'd be better than those that the Browns have had.
I don't consider myself in that category.
Anyone can evaluate talent, however, much more goes on in a NFL draft room them fans realize...its a sham just like the Rep and Dem National conventions...the winners are chosen and agreed upon MONTHS before the draft ever takes place by the OWNERS and GM of the league.
everything is a conspiracy...don't you know that? 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 5,109 |
I can tell you this: GM's are surprised by stuff that happens on draft day. They don't know exactly what will happen, and a lot of times they don't even have their draft boards finalized until the week of the draft. It is just as exciting for them as us fans.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
I'm still convinced that the Browns would have taken Curry last year if he was still there.. I think he was the only big name they wanted because he is everything Mangini loves in a player.... when he wasn't there, they went to plan B which was start trading backwards.
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
After watching that mess last night...
New and ineffective OC who doesn't call one downfield play + inexperienced/inconsistent QB who won't go downfield until game over+ poor protection from OL + second-rate inexperienced WRs + washed-up RB = wait till next year..
What should really sink in for people..whether you like DA or BQ..when I watch the opposing QB throw to any spot on the field to a reciever and move the chains..I don't need to be a rocket scientist to get we don't have a offense.
The Browns need everything on offense..
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 11/17/09 09:57 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950 |
Jamal Need to be sent on his retirment boat NOW....Common how many times did the guy run into the back of his line instead of bouncing off to the side, where there was ample room to run, There were also holes for him to run thru but he chose to pump the legs hit the linemen in the bakc and get tackled for a 2 yard gain, incredible.
He dosent wanna be here, we need to help him out.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,993 |
Yeah. It's unfair to rate any qb that has to play in this offense.
If you send out a boat with holes in the hull out to sea, do you blame the captain because it sunk?
It was unfair to DA and it's unfair to BQ. Virtually any QB that has come here only to have his career ruined.
It's more than the QB position. How much time did BQ have last night? None. How much did DA when he played. The same none.
It's more than the QB.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,465 |
Quote:
"You need someone in the backfield that's more explosive," he said. "Jamal [Lewis] can give you that downhill, power running game, but there's really no threat to the outside. Defenses can compress the field and keep everything inside. You've got to find a game-breaker at wide receiver, and a No. 1 is hard to come by. You need more consistency on the right side of the offensive line and more speed at tight end. I don't think it's going to get done in one year."
I was scratching my head when so many people were happy with the Winslow trade. I wasnt upset with the trade but I accepted it. Now people are seeing what it is like with no red zone threat and not having a player on offense who requires double teams and makes it easier for the rest of the offense. Having him here wouldnt make too much of a differance in the record, like in Tampa, but I bet the team would have more points and more respectable losses. i wouldnt doubt if Winslow has more points than this whole offense. Mangini needs people around who wont second guess him. thats fine if mangini has been there done that, but he hasnt. Hes still in the phase of his career where he aslo needs to be taking advice but his ego wont let him.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 774
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 774 |
Watching the game yesterday I felt jaws was nailing almost everything he was saying about the team. This team needs a O line on the right side and some WRS that can catch and run routes.
oioioioi
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jaworski talks Browns offense
|
|
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Heldawg/rgiii2.jpg)
![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/6WV79RV/Browns-Coach-Sig.png)
