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I kept reading gripes about BQ's errant throw to MoMass at the end of the game and was wondering what the heck you all were talking about. Now I get it. It seemed pretty clear to me that on that play BQ had to have been looking for a hot route because he was about to get planted and Mo just didn't read it.
Anyway, good game from BQ and really from the entire offensive unit (minus the drop by Jennings). This week will be very interesting. The Bengals get a lot of pressure on the QB, but they also have issues playing lesser teams.
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But with those guys, you could see what they had, even when they were at the mercy of an inferior team.
You mentioned Cutler...I've watched him a lot this year...and, yes, his o-line, WR's and RB's don't do him very many favors...but you can still see him for who he is -- his strengths and weaknesses.
Quinn has never really shown me anything positive when playing good competition...in college or the NFL.
All of the other guys you mentioned, even when they were surrounded by duds, showed promise.
Brees was still being doubted, hence SD letting him go. Now he's one of the best QBs out there and has been so for 2 years. Just took him awhile to get there.
Not comparing Quinn to Brees by any stretch. Brees is awesome and makes the Saints what they are. Just people are quick to label a QB a bust. Brees was nearly in that category after 3 years.
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But with those guys, you could see what they had, even when they were at the mercy of an inferior team.
You mentioned Cutler...I've watched him a lot this year...and, yes, his o-line, WR's and RB's don't do him very many favors...but you can still see him for who he is -- his strengths and weaknesses.
Quinn has never really shown me anything positive when playing good competition...in college or the NFL.
All of the other guys you mentioned, even when they were surrounded by duds, showed promise.
Brees was still being doubted, hence SD letting him go. Now he's one of the best QBs out there and has been so for 2 years. Just took him awhile to get there.
Not comparing Quinn to Brees by any stretch. Brees is awesome and makes the Saints what they are. Just people are quick to label a QB a bust. Brees was nearly in that category after 3 years.
Brees may have had a slight brush with that category, but people are putting waaaaaaaaay too much revisionist history on that saga.
In Brees first two years, he put up QB ratings of 94.8 and 76.9. He had a bad third year, S.D. panicked, and took Rivers.
Rivers holds out, Brees puts up 3,000+ yards, 27 TD's and 7 INT's.
Chargers franchise Brees. He puts up 3,500+ with 24 TD's.
Brees ends up signing with the Saints for 6 years $60 mil.
The way people tell it sometimes, dude was almost out of the league.
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But with those guys, you could see what they had, even when they were at the mercy of an inferior team.
You mentioned Cutler...I've watched him a lot this year...and, yes, his o-line, WR's and RB's don't do him very many favors...but you can still see him for who he is -- his strengths and weaknesses.
Quinn has never really shown me anything positive when playing good competition...in college or the NFL.
All of the other guys you mentioned, even when they were surrounded by duds, showed promise.
Brees was still being doubted, hence SD letting him go. Now he's one of the best QBs out there and has been so for 2 years. Just took him awhile to get there.
Not comparing Quinn to Brees by any stretch. Brees is awesome and makes the Saints what they are. Just people are quick to label a QB a bust. Brees was nearly in that category after 3 years.
Brees may have had a slight brush with that category, but people are putting waaaaaaaaay too much revisionist history on that saga.
In Brees first two years, he put up QB ratings of 94.8 and 76.9. He had a bad third year, S.D. panicked, and took Rivers.
Rivers holds out, Brees puts up 3,000+ yards, 27 TD's and 7 INT's.
Chargers franchise Brees. He puts up 3,500+ with 24 TD's.
Brees ends up signing with the Saints for 6 years $60 mil.
The way people tell it sometimes, dude was almost out of the league.
Don't disagree but the concensus was that the jury was still out on Brees. I think people neglect to remember his shoulder operation, so I think more of the doubt was on him physically being the same rather than over his ability. However, it did take time for him to become the consistent and stellar QB he is.
I'd love Brees on the Browns - the guy is a community and team leader, and will be a HOFer.
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I love the fact also everyone on here throws around the fact it takes wr.'s 3 yrs. to develop but won't give Quinn a full season under center to see what we have.
Not for nothin, but I heard an interesting factoid last night on one of the newscasts,, not sure which..
Stafford has more experience as a Starter in the NFL than Quinn does. Quinn has been in the league 3 years, this is Staffords rookie season.
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I need to see him do it every week from here on out. By this amount of time in the league, QB's need to be totally ready to play well.
Then prepare to be disappointed. If you expect him to play like that against Cincy, Pittsburgh, San Diego... then you are a fool.... or perhaps what I should say is that if you are saying that if he doesn't play like he did this week, every week, then he is a failure, then just judge him a failure now and get it over with and stop pretending like you hold out some hope otherwise. Because you and I know that he can't, he won't... not with this cast.. even if it is in HIM to do it, he has no chance.
This brings up obvious questions..
Why wasn't the scheme(going dep, opening things up) not called before today?
And sorry but if someone says:"Dumboll doesn't trust BQ " I'm going to laugh..because you're going to say the offense refuses to try to move the ball and score because they don't think Quinn can throw DOWNFIELD?
If so..the offensive coaches need to be let go..the only way to see a 3rd year rookie/pro/unused QB's skills is to let him do it..thats the way they found out about DA..It's the only way to see what BQ has..
The only question now is can he do this against defenses not ranked the worst in the NFL and with consistancy..and not stacking the deck with dumming down the playcalling..let him go downfield...
Now what I saw were some good throws..and some right on the money..but I also saw stuff that has labeled him as inaccurate..his timing passes were off the wrong shoulder/behind..some of the same mess I see in DA..
Not to mention the drops...
Now another question I have is ..when are the Browns going to play the same guys who are being wasted???
Manpolen drafted these guys ,yet he refuses to play them..and why the heck does every Browns regime draft recievers who cannot consistantly catch the ball???
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As stated earlier Quinn is a unproven player:
I don't believe you can draw any final conclusions on his true ability.
A QB needs to have support around him in order to succeed. Big Ben had tools to work with so did most of the others who have proven themselves.
You can point out inaccuracy and inconsistency but under the current environment he is in that should be expected.
Quinn if graded correctly should be incomplete.
Let's just hold off and wait to see what he can do. Let him and the team around him develop some chemistry. Let him work with the receivers for some time. Let's see if they can help St. Clair block somebody. Let's see if we can build some kind of running attack.
Reality is these existing conditions are not going to be corrected this year. All we can hope for is they get better with what they have and next year Ïake measures to add offensive weapons.
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the man-crush is in full effect.
I didn't even want to touch this thread up until now, because I knew the cheerleaders would be swinging their pom-poms.
Whoever thinks Quinn is our QB of the future is LOST...
He didn't even have a "good" game against DET, it was a decent one...he was inaccurate as always, had happy feet as always, threw off his backfoot as always....it was decent because he didn't turn the ball over...I saw the same Quinn against a sleepwalking and uncredibly bad D...that's all
You will see the "old" Quinn (stat wise...again: performance wasn't all that different) again starting next sunday in CIN....mark it down.
Toad is being nice with you guys, I won't: Quinn will NEVER amount to anything in this league...he has the UPSIDE of Joey Harrington....you can quote me on that, I don't care....I trust my eyes...he's not even a good game manager, he's too inaccurate on even the short stuff to be that....he's just bad, sorry
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We get you don't like Quinn. But my god, can you please just give the man props on one good game? To say it was only "decent' is just flat out wrong. This is why I spend most of my time in Tailgate around here. Some people would rather see DA fail than us be good. Others, like you, would rather see BQ fail than us be good. I thought we were Browns fans? Not DA fans, not BQ fans? The guy played a good game. Give him props on it, move on and see what happens next week. 
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We get you don't like Quinn. But my god, can you please just give the man props on one good game?
To say it was only "decent' is just flat out wrong.
This is why I spend most of my time in Tailgate around here. Some people would rather see DA fail than us be good. Others, like you, would rather see BQ fail than us be good.
I thought we were Browns fans? Not DA fans, not BQ fans?
The guy played a good game. Give him props on it, move on and see what happens next week.
thank you for saying this, cuz I was about to tell Django this myself..
He put us in a situation to win... what more can we ask for out of our QB?? He made the plays that put points on the board...
He may not be that accurate.. but whos to say he can't get better? How many full games has this guy played? Give him a chance!!
Next year will be no excuses in my opinion.. even if there is a change at the HC spot.
Improve the run.. Improve the o-line.. Improve the TE spot.. and we should be good to go...
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In a game where our ST didn't give us much of an advantage like they had in the past, where the Def probably played on of their poorest games all season, the offense puts up 37 points, most on passing TD's, and Django still says the QB played crappy. It's the reason I don't usually read his posts, I just skim them. I actually started thinking he was like the admanager, since all his posts are identical. 
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Campbell managed to lead his team to a two field goal defeat to Dallas yesterday. Is that the output you're looking for in Quinn to be considered successful?
You should probably read Toad's posts about Campbell's game yesterday to answer that question before you ask it. He's pretty clear, actually.
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Yea, somebody made the point last week that our defense has to contribute, we can't expect the offense to go 70 yards for every score.. well we had 3 scoring drives of 70 yards or longer, one of 60 yards.. and when our defense actually did give us a turnover and a short field, we converted a TD.. not a FG like we usually do.
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In a game where our ST didn't give us much of an advantage like they had in the past, where the Def probably played on of their poorest games all season, the offense puts up 37 points, most on passing TD's, and Django still says the QB played crappy.
I was one of the few who said our D didn't play good on MNF against the Ravens when everyone on here was pimping our D and Ryan...how did that turn out?
Look, I assess games with my eyes....I confess this year it's easier to do for me on Browns games than in years past since I really don't care anymore since game 2 or 3...I'm no DA pimp by any means btw
I tell it how I see it...and more often than not I get flamed for it....I couldn't care less, I even hope for the sake of the Browns to be wrong but more often than not that's not the case
A "decent" game means he had an AVG game, which is ok but neither good or bad...and an AVG game against probably the worst D in this league = good production...those 2 long passes that upped his stats won't get completed on any other NFL team....Quinn is 3 years in this league and his AVG/pass attempt has been a steady and crappy 5.8.....
there are indicators that have a pretty good track records to back up what my eyes see....I'm pretty confident in my conclusion and I admit I never thought he'd be this bad when we drafted him...NEVER....to the contrary: I thought his downside would be Chad Pennington....after 2,5 years I say his UPSIDE is Joey Harrington
I'll ask you guys something: so BQ didn't throw like every 2nd or 3rd pass from his backfoot? Mechanics or pocket awareness anyone? He has not improved....
You will see the upcoming weeks against CIN and PIT...I'll still accept apologies then 
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I'll ask you guys something: so BQ didn't throw like every 2nd or 3rd pass from his backfoot? Mechanics or pocket awareness anyone? He has not improved....
In listening to commentators..only one or two have commented on his mechanics..I noticed a hitch in his throwing motion..but I cannot tell if that was from the Browns tinkering with his grip/release or bad habits..maybe both..but someone needs to work with him if he's here next season..
Throwing off the back foot or jump throwing is not good at all...but there's something in his release that looks awakward.
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Unless he imploads (and not just on the field) he will be here next year. His contract isn't a killer by any means, and with DA gone at season's end (that's a given with his $$$) he's the only one we'll have.
The question is will he be the starter............I say that's a 50-50 bet at this point, and depends on 2 things....
1. How he develops the rest of this season
2. What direction the new FO will want to go in the draft and how much they like BQ.
Contrary to some's opinion, there are no alternitives in FA, and this isn't a draft that's got me jumping up and down ready to take a QB. There's a real shot that BQ is the starter next year by default, and he get's another year while we build the team around him.............or build it up for the next guy we get in a couple of years...lol....that'll sort of depend on his progress.
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so you judge Quinn based on him being in the NFL 3 yrs, even though he only made 8 passes as a rookie?
But that is one of experience in your book, right?
Ask Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers how that worked out for them when they didn't throw a SINGLE pass their rookie years.................and Palmer only started ONE year at USC.
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2007 was such a long time ago, maybe you're having trouble remembering what Quinn's rookie year was like???
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No no............  Not playing that game. I'm not gonna get suckered into that swirling bowl of toilet water that leads down, down, down to oblivion that's called "breaking down each play of each quarter of each game."
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In the remaining games, Quinn will look good at times and sometimes, maybe not so good. I do not expect miracles given the experience and performance of the support players surrounding Quinn.
At least we have that in common.  He won't have the opportunities he had against the Lions again this year, so to expect "miracles" is dumb. But I DO expect Quinn to perform like Campbell did on Sunday. He faced every blitz and found the right receivers and made the right calls, even though he was BADLY outmatched.
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toad...Just to be factual and accurate...3 yrs in the NFL does not necessarily equal 3 yrs of playing experience in the NFL, does it?
No, but just to be "factual and accurate" Rivers and Palmer didn't need 48 starts as an excuse for poor decisions and poor throws.
toad...wow...I didn't expect such a "weak" response from you...so much side crap that doesn't even relate to the subject...your claim of 3 yrs experience vs "REALITY"
Quinn has been in the NFL just over 2.5 seasons and has started just 8 games playing with a broken finger in two of those 8 games. As was pointed out, the Browns have had two different offensive playbooks in the last 3 seasons.
How many different systems did Rivers play in with SD?
How many different OC's has Palmer played in with Cinci?
Your side show is so weak and easy to pick apart.
Time to lay the cards on the table...no matter what Quinn does, you and your buddies are going to nitpick Quinn to death because you just hate Quinn in the Browns uniform....just be honest, ok?
I believe like some old timers and newbies...Quinn needs more time to develop and needs experience (reps, reps, reps) before we can tell if he's going to pan out as the Browns starter.
What can Quinn learn under this coaching staff, the remainder of the season..?..its a huge question mark given the quality of this offensive coaching staff. If Carl Smith replaces Brian Daboll as OC, then we may be able to improve the quality of the offensive game planing...but I doubt that happens, Smith replacing Daboll.
Looking past this season...Quinn will likely have another different offensive coordinator and playbook next season which would make it his 3rd different offensive coaching staff and playbook in 4 seasons...
...not your ideal situation for developing young QBs...just ask Rivers and Palmer.
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I'll ask you guys something: so BQ didn't throw like every 2nd or 3rd pass from his backfoot?
Having not seen the game, I cannont comment on his footwork against Detroit. I totally agree that a QB cannot continually throw off his back foot. However, in the Ravens game (when he had little to no time to throw) he threw off his back foot almost exclusively. If it's every 2nd or 3rd throw against the Lions, that's improvement. (I'm not trying to be funny with that comment, either.) It might also show a developing comfort. In reality, I've seen QBs who get happy feet and never break the habit, but if Quinn can continue to develop this comfort level, I believe he'll be more able and likely to set properly when he throws. If that happens, he'll be fine.
Basically, I think it's correctible if he doesn't have to run for his life every week (a la David Carr and Joey Harrington, to name 2)
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I'm not gonna read through this whole thing...but I think Quinn looked alot better having Stuckey around.
Stuckey seemed to help open up the offense...we'll see if that continues next week.
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Unless he imploads (and not just on the field) he will be here next year. His contract isn't a killer by any means, and with DA gone at season's end (that's a given with his $$$) he's the only one we'll have.
The question is will he be the starter............I say that's a 50-50 bet at this point, and depends on 2 things....
1. How he develops the rest of this season
2. What direction the new FO will want to go in the draft and how much they like BQ.
#2 is the big one.
I just can't see very many looking at his body of work and thinking positively about him.
Then again...the only way I don't see him being here is if we ship him to someone in order to move up in the mid-rounds.
However it shakes out, I hope we stay away from drafting a QB...unless it's a flier in rounds 5-7 or something...and even then I might feel like it's a wasted pick.
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The kid doesn't have a real "body" of work to talk about right now.......he's started 8 games. By the end of the year a new FO will have an idea if they think they can either build a team around him, or let him be the sacrificial lamb while we get things ready for the next guy. If not then we will bring in Toad's boy Cambell or some other dolt to be the sacrificial lamb for a couple of years.
The wild card is does the new FO like someone in the draft enough to take him in the top 5 (where we will be picking). I don't, but I doubt they give a rat's butt about my opinion....lol.
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NRTU Mac Some of you guys and you know who you are.......you all are so agenda driven you could have Peyton Manning playing backup to Jamarcus Russell by these weak WEAK posts.  What the crap guys!!!!! I expect more out of "some" of you guys.  I am not a Qb expert nor played at that level but i do know football. I watched Quinn and if you come away saying he played ANYWHERE short of a VERY good game....you have a agenda.  If you had to nitpick....one could say his timing was off and maybe on a different page than the receivers at times but that is it. Most every Qb in the league could have the same thing said. EVERYONE!!!!!! Record a Manning, Brady or Brees game and see if they are accurate everytime? I see it alot and when the receivers just make a play on a badly thrown ball...that is exactly what it is...a guy making a play on the ball. He played very well and that is that. Does it say anything more than that? NOPE!!!! When he strings a couple of these games together and or at least looks solid... or vice versa.......then we can say what we got. Not till then...but to say anything short of that for AT LEAST this game is narrow minded and agenda driven and dosent really believe what they type. Not to mention maybe not knowing anything about what they are talking about!  Anything else said i wont believe for the above mentioned reason. Some of these posts are rediculous and you guys know it. 
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I agree...300 yards and 4 TD's is a very good game no matter who you are or who you played against.
If Manning, Brees or Brady did it they would be hyped up for carving up the D.
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I agree...300 yards and 4 TD's is a very good game no matter who you are or who you played against.
If Manning, Brees or Brady did it they would be hyped up for carving up the D.
Stafford has quality talent to help him and he is being praised for his game, yet Quinn, according to guys like Django, sucked while throwing 4 TDs.
I'm not sold on Quinn, but for god's sake give the guy credit when he earns it.
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I agree...300 yards and 4 TD's is a very good game no matter who you are or who you played against.
If Manning, Brees or Brady did it they would be hyped up for carving up the D.
Stafford has quality talent to help him and he is being praised for his game, yet Quinn, according to guys like Django, sucked while throwing 4 TDs.
I'm not sold on Quinn, but for god's sake give the guy credit when he earns it.
I know you weren't referring to me, but I have to say: I did, and do, give credit to Quinn for the game he played. You can check my posts in this thread, or others.
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Stafford has quality talent to help him and he is being praised for his game, yet Quinn, according to guys like Django, sucked while throwing 4 TDs.
I'm not sold on Quinn, but for god's sake give the guy credit when he earns it.
I never said he sucked in that game...he had an AVG game, that's what I said....that long TD to Massa will not be completed against any other NFL team..Massa stopped and had to wait for the ball to fall into his hands....with just a little better coverage that's an INC or maybe even INT...and the same guys on here would bash BQ for it...it was just a bad pass that statistically looks like his best and bumped his stats
oh and LineJ: I hope you keep that sig when we cut him and he's a backup somewhere....I will call you out for that
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My bottom line will now and always remain the same with Quinn: He was a longtime starter in college who came into the league as a "ready" QB. By the 3rd year in the league, he shouldn't have been as bad as he was. He should have been better by now.
That was a media thing brought about by Charlie Weis (the same Notre Dame coach that is about to be let go) and many including me bought it. But in all reality how many rookie Qb's are truly NFL ready?
But yet you hang on to that 3rd year thing. Is there even a possibility that Quinn's confidence has been shaken by the events of the past 3 years?
Now tell me how confidence has nothing to do with a Qb's performance and you will totally divulge your agenda!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Confidence obviously has a lot to do with a QB's performance. To hear BQ speak in public, one would believe that despite what he's seen the past few seasons, his confidence remains intact. I would argue that if his confidence was shaken by what he's gone through then he's probably not ready to be a starting QB in the NFL.
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But with those guys, you could see what they had, even when they were at the mercy of an inferior team.
You mentioned Cutler...I've watched him a lot this year...and, yes, his o-line, WR's and RB's don't do him very many favors...but you can still see him for who he is -- his strengths and weaknesses.
Quinn has never really shown me anything positive when playing good competition...in college or the NFL.
All of the other guys you mentioned, even when they were surrounded by duds, showed promise.
Brees was still being doubted, hence SD letting him go. Now he's one of the best QBs out there and has been so for 2 years. Just took him awhile to get there.
Not comparing Quinn to Brees by any stretch. Brees is awesome and makes the Saints what they are. Just people are quick to label a QB a bust. Brees was nearly in that category after 3 years.
Brees may have had a slight brush with that category, but people are putting waaaaaaaaay too much revisionist history on that saga.
In Brees first two years, he put up QB ratings of 94.8 and 76.9. He had a bad third year, S.D. panicked, and took Rivers.
Rivers holds out, Brees puts up 3,000+ yards, 27 TD's and 7 INT's.
Chargers franchise Brees. He puts up 3,500+ with 24 TD's.
Brees ends up signing with the Saints for 6 years $60 mil.
The way people tell it sometimes, dude was almost out of the league.
Don't disagree but the concensus was that the jury was still out on Brees. I think people neglect to remember his shoulder operation, so I think more of the doubt was on him physically being the same rather than over his ability. However, it did take time for him to become the consistent and stellar QB he is.
I'd love Brees on the Browns - the guy is a community and team leader, and will be a HOFer.
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Ok a couple of comments,
The Chargers changed 5 offensive linemen between the year he was benched, and the year of the first pro-bowl. I saw that OL, it was a mess, I saw the benching..
PDR, Your history of Brees stats is "creatively" stated. His rating as a starter for the first two years was 76.8 and 67.5 (the 94.8 rating came from 1 game in his rookie year).
My larger point is that a bad OL can take away 20 points from a QB rating, A good OL can raise it 10, essentially a 30 point swing in QB rating.
With Quinn, it is pretty apparent that we don't know what type of QB he is. Right now the line is pretty bad. I do think there are some accuracy issues as well, but I have not seen him in a 4th quarter game on the line situation to make a fair assessment. But I would not shut down the entire playbook because of the potenital problem.
I do see a QB that has mobility, a decent arm and some issues with accuracy. But, I can't tell if MoMass broke off the check off incorrectly at the end of the game either.
It is just too soon to tell.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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Brees may have had a slight brush with that category, but people are putting waaaaaaaaay too much revisionist history on that saga.
In Brees first two years, he put up QB ratings of 94.8 and 76.9. He had a bad third year, S.D. panicked, and took Rivers.
Rivers holds out, Brees puts up 3,000+ yards, 27 TD's and 7 INT's.
Chargers franchise Brees. He puts up 3,500+ with 24 TD's.
Brees ends up signing with the Saints for 6 years $60 mil.
The way people tell it sometimes, dude was almost out of the league.
Back when Brees was going to be traded by the Chargers your hero Toad and I had a chat on here about getting him and Toad had no interest in Brees. I guess that can tell ya something about his Qb evaluating abilities!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Dude you have a problem with scoring touchdowns and our offense giving us a chance to win? Quote:
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When was the last time you had your eyes checked by a doctor? 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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No one in their right mind would have traded for Brees, he was going to be a FA.
He is a very good NFL QB, despite the physical limitations (no cannon, and height).
But you can work around those limitations because he is deadly accurate and a good game manager.
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not exactly true...there was some interest in trading for him and the team that did so could tag him to ensure they were able to keep him (or sign him as part of the deal).
it eliminates the possibility of him going elsewhere and the compensation would have been lower due to his pending FA status if they didn't get something for him.
if i remember correctly (you being in SD probably remember this part better than i) that shoulder injury is what killed his trade value completely and the chargers just let him hit the market.
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Brees may have had a slight brush with that category, but people are putting waaaaaaaaay too much revisionist history on that saga.
In Brees first two years, he put up QB ratings of 94.8 and 76.9. He had a bad third year, S.D. panicked, and took Rivers.
Rivers holds out, Brees puts up 3,000+ yards, 27 TD's and 7 INT's.
Chargers franchise Brees. He puts up 3,500+ with 24 TD's.
Brees ends up signing with the Saints for 6 years $60 mil.
The way people tell it sometimes, dude was almost out of the league.
Back when Brees was going to be traded by the Chargers your hero Toad and I had a chat on here about getting him and Toad had no interest in Brees. I guess that can tell ya something about his Qb evaluating abilities!
'My hero'?
Don't get me wrong, I like Toad...but our conversations are few and far between...where did that come from? 
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the shoulder injury was in the last game of the year, he was going to hit the FA market anyway or be tagged for a second year. The injury just meant the Chargers could not pull a sign and trade deal with a willing participant to get more than a compensation pick.
Brees' ultimate value was after the first probowl year, before they franchise tagged him. There was no way Brees would sign a contract extension with San Diego, with Rivers on the roster.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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