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I have been preparing myself for Holmgren to say he is "not interested" in any job with the Browns...and to be honest, who would blame him?

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Blame him,, No. I wouldn't blame him. he's paid his dues, if he wants an easy job, you can't blame him.

But anyone can take over in say a Pittsburgh or Indy or NE. For at least a year, they'd have it fairly easy.

Where's the challenge in that.

But guys like Parcells and Holmgren,, that's not what they are about.. That's what makes them special..

Look at the condition of NE when Parcells went there.. what a mess,, same with the Jets and Miami may have been worse then either of them..

The Seahawks weren't a good team when Holmgren got there.. and Green Bay had struggled for years prior to his arrival.

I never understood why some felt that Holmgren wouldn't want this job.. This is exactly the kinda job a Parcells or a Holmgren would want. It's perfect for them.. Ideal in fact.

The teams a mess, the talent level is low, the moral on the team and the FO is down in the gutter, the owner has a guy who used to dress up as a french fry breathing down his neck and a fan base that is feeling down and out.

But what this team has is history, an owner that has the money and is hands off, a fan base that is rabid......

PERFECT..

he comes here and wins,, he's a hero,, he gets parades thrown for him, he gets children and streets named after him.. he gets the admiraton of all involved.. not to mention, he gets a healthy paycheck......

For a guy like holmgren, this is a lock... PERFECT.

and...
for as bad as the Browns are at this moment there are some positives.
1. a supportive owner that is not anything like Dan Snyder
2. lotsa cap room
3. eleven draft picks in what will prolly be high slots
4. a bunch of younger players on the current roster with 4 years or less experience.

If all the young players pan out and all about the same time.....

this team could be very good in about 2 years.

But, all the right moves must be made. Little room for error and IMO Holmgren is THAT guy.

And if a WCO is installed with a new OC then maybe, just maybe, we will not need to go out a draft a QB

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the owner has a guy who used to dress up as a french fry breathing down his neck

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Hadn't thought of some of those things LJ,, but yeah,, all true.

We do lack talent,,, but we do have some younger guys that haven't had a clean chance to really show what they can do and can't do..

and yeah, 11 picks is a good thing.. especially when the first rounder is probably gonna be in the top 3... that's trade down bait for even more this year and maybe next.. its a good position to be in..

I don't understand this Uncapped stuff so I don't know if that starts next year or the year after, and I'm not sure what the effect will actually be.

I bet you that lots of qualified guys would want this job...

j/c


First coaching casualty could start landslide around the league

By Jason La Canfora | NFL Network

The annual coaching carousel has already begun to creak along. It's a little early, with Buffalo coach Dick Jauron getting fired before Thanksgiving, but as the weather turns, it's inevitable in this league that teams will begin mulling changes, and the coaching hot stove league will be a furnace this offseason with so many top coaches available.

The Bills are now first on the coaching clock, and, according to league sources, owner Ralph Wilson is willing to empty his pockets to land a primo candidate and make a splash if the right fit is there. Ultimately, I don't see him landing a big fish, but I continue to hear that Wilson is not averse to spending on this hire despite his small-market limitations. The Bills will consider up-and-comers and coach/general manager tandems, but I tend to think they will end up with a first-time NFL head coach. The process, however, will begin with Mike Shanahan next week, as NFL.com's Vic Carucci reported on Wednesday.

Of the big-name coaches, Shanahan and Bill Cowher would be most attractive to Buffalo, but I have a hard time seeing either of them rushing to sign with the Bills before the full scope of the job market is in focus. The scuttlebutt is getting more intense by the week, and in the coming weeks there will undoubtedly be back-channel messages sent by teams to prospective candidates trying to gauge interest as owners consider whether an offseason coaching change is the way to go.

There are several teams commonly expected to have openings in 2010 -- Washington, Oakland and Cleveland are most likely to join Buffalo in the search. If the Texans fail to reach the postseason, they could make a change. If the Jaguars fall apart in the second half, there is some potential for a move there, though the team has stabilized under Jack Del Rio this season. Carolina's John Fox has 2010 left on his contract and the club has come along well the last six weeks despite devastating injuries and Thursday night's loss to Miami. A total collapse by the Bears, Cowboys or Chargers would create interesting situations there as well.


As for some of the key coaches and what I'm hearing in regards to their potential whereabouts:

» Mike Shanahan: Should the Chargers fail to make the playoffs and Norv Turner is fired, San Diego would be a dream job for Shanahan. He knows the division, would get two cracks a year at former employers (Raiders and Broncos), he has a home in western Mexico, and loves the area and lifestyle in California. The Chargers are close, the division is weak and 10 wins will get it done most years. They have a franchise QB locked up long-term. A lot of pieces are in place, and a good personnel department already exists.

Shanahan's hand-picked former QB, Jay Cutler, is struggling in Chicago, and the Bears would be a natural fit as well (but unlikely at this point that Chicago would make a move). I couldn't find a team executive who could actually see Shanahan ending up in Buffalo, which is considered quite remote by most people. If I had to pick a most likely spot for Shanahan right now, I'd say Washington. Owner Daniel Snyder likes him, they have similar interests and personality traits, and Snyder has long admired him. Snyder pays top dollar, too. It would be a rebuilding situation and the Redskins would, if they're smart, bring in a separate personnel component to the organization, but this may end up as Snyder's best/only move.

» Jon Gruden:Up until this week I fully expected him to be jumping back into coaching in 2010. But he extended his broadcasting contract with ESPN and I am told that deal is pretty ironclad. There aren't many ways out in 2010 and Gruden loves his current gig. He sees the franchise John Madden created, and at age 45 is relishing the opportunity to build his brand off the field. A source very close to him told me "there is zero chance" Gruden coaches in 2010. Washington would have been a very viable option, but "that ship has sailed," the source said.

» Bill Cowher: I continue to hear that if the right opportunity opens up, Cowher would put the band back together and jump into the game again. But he has earned the right to be very choosy, and he knows it. Cowher is interested in coaching, and not in one of the football czar-type roles. He would want to bring personnel people he is comfortable with along with him. There are three clubs that would really light his fire -- Carolina (he lives there and has strong ties to the area), Houston (owner Bob McNair is a fan of his work, I'm told, and the team already has many key pieces in place), and Chicago (again, the Bears have a QB and it's a good city for a hard-nosed coach). Staying in broadcasting wouldn't break his heart, either, but he's chatted with several owners the last few years and I'd be stunned if he didn't thoroughly investigate some options this offseason as well.

» Mike Holmgren: People close to the former Packers and Seahawks coach believe strongly that at this point a team president/general manager role is much more attractive than a coaching gig, and that's the kind of role he will land. Those same sources would also be thoroughly shocked if he ended up someplace like Cleveland or Buffalo. Holmgren has deep ties to Seattle, knows owner Paul Allen well, and if the Seahawks don't extend the contract of team president Tim Ruskell (it ends after the season), then Holmgren would love to get back there, sources say. He has a home there, he knows the roster and the division.

» Tony Dungy: Dungy has been pretty adamant that he is more than content broadcasting, mentoring, and doing his outreach and ministry work. However, some league execs believe that if the situation in Tampa were to get too dire, Dungy might return in some capacity to help Raheem Morris. Dungy has denied this as a possibility, and the Bucs have been more competitive of late, but there are people in the league who could see Dungy eventually back with the franchise in some way, at some time.

As for less high-profile candidates to make the rounds this offseason, Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, Panthers defensive coordinator Ron Meeks, CFL coach Marc Trestman, Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and Bucs special teams coach Rich Bisaccia are among those who could be in the interview mix.



NFL.com

I just had an epiphone. It might be that Holmgren is talking about being delighted about a shot at the Browns job just to give himself some leverage in dealing with Seattle after the season is over and they need a guy.

My epiphone is recharging, but I agree with you. I don't think Holmgren has any intention of relocating to Cleveland. Saying you "would be happy to interview" isn't really the same as saying you want the job. I'll be stunned if we get Holmgren, or Cowher, or Gruden, or Dungy, or Shanahan, or just about any other high-profile guy to take the reins of this godforsaken franchise.

Lerner needs to put on his best Don Vito Corleone hat and "make him an offer he can't refuse".

Throw some serious coinage at the man where turning it down is virtually impossible.

After reading the article, It seems to me like Holmgren has already been hired and the announcement won't come until the end of the year.

After reading this quote: "The teams that are successful from ownership to management to coaching, there is a singleness of purpose. There's enough credit for everyone. No one gets territorial. It's just good -- and it shows on the field.''

I take a look at the word "territorial" and think that if this applies to the Browns, Mangini is gone.

Anything is possible Ddub,. I still think that it's a possibility that he ends up here if Lerner puts on the full court press...

I knew you'd get it. It's a musician thing...


Late one weekend night when a few of us were sitting around drinking some beer and playing some old songs. At one lull in the action Gary said he had an "epiphany". He was excitedly telling us about it in an very animated manner when Johnny, who just walked back in from a bathroom visit, saw him jumping around and asked, "What'd I miss?", and Bill says, "Oh , Gary just had an Epiphone."

So it's been Epiphone ever since replacing epiphany.

Holmgren eyes Browns opportunity
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4677545

CLEVELAND -- Former Seattle and Green Bay coach Mike Holmgren is interested in working for the struggling Cleveland Browns.

Holmgren said on his weekly radio show on Seattle's KJR that he has not yet spoken to Browns owner Randy Lerner, who is looking for a "serious, credible leader" football authority to run his struggling team.


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Mike Holmgren was the Seahawks' coach for 10 seasons and GM from 1999-2002 before resigning after last season to spend more time with his family.
But Holmgren did indicate he would welcome the chance to take on a rebuilding project like the 1-8 Browns.

"It takes a tremendous amount of energy, but there is a certain appeal there," the 61-year-old Holmgren said. "There's something in my personality, too, that taking on those types of projects, that kind of gets me going. But there's a lot of work to do.

"The important thing, going into any organization is that all of the principles, all of the decision makers are pointed in the same direction, with the same motives, the same desires, and then you have a chance."

Holmgren was Seattle's coach for 10 seasons and general manager for four from 1999-2002. He stepped down after last season to spend more time with his family.

Last week, Browns Hall of Famer Jim Brown said Lerner had met with "one of the great football minds in this country," and hinted that person may have been Holmgren. Brown is a senior adviser with the Browns.

Cleveland coach Eric Mangini, struggling in his first season with the Browns, refused to comment on reports that Holmgren was on Lerner's wish list.

"Randy's really handling that, so I'll let him talk about that," Mangini said this week.

The Browns, who have scored just five offensive touchdowns this season, visit Detroit (1-8) on Sunday.

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Ive heard all the presidential candidates say they same thing about following George W. Bush, saying that it cant get any worse the way he left it.

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There are those that would tell you that it will take more than 10 months to fix what Bush left behind.... I'm one of them.. Don't taste a cake that is half baked, you are bound to be disappointed...

I'll also tell you that I would be surprised if anyone could correct the Browns in one season as well.. Improve them,, I think that can happen, but make them a real contender.., I have my doubts

Who is the Bengals current Head Coach?

Who were the 4 guys before him? How about just the name of the coach he replaced?

Why do we know his name and not the other guys ...? Because he actually has the Bengals winning.

What Head Coach took the Rams to the Super Bowl? Can anyone name the 2 or 3 Head Coaches that preceeded him? How about the Rams current Head Coach?

These are 2 franchises ... along with the Colts and Cardinals .... who were jokes in the NFL. People turned these franchiss around ..... and we remember those people ..... but not those who failed before them. It can be the same here. If/when we start winning ..... people across the country will know the names of the winning football administration ..... but will struggle to name "those guys who were there before" ......

sam wyche

j/c

I think I just died and went to heaven. Please Holmgren come here.

Truth be told, building anything is a Process.. Rebuilding is also a process..

He's not terribly wrong at all about that being true.

The difference in my eyes is believing in the process....I'll take the blame and say it's me,, I don't see the plan, I don't understand his process. So I don't believe in him.....

Hear that Randy?! He wants to interview... CALL HIM IN ALREADY!!!

Holmgren has absolutely put Randy on the spot... even if Randy had no intention of hiring Holmgren (which I doubt is true) but if he did, he has got to interview him now anyway.. unless he announces the hire of a Bill Parcells soon, unless he gets somebody of that caliber (and Parcells is the only one of that caliber that I can think of) then he needs to interview Holmgren and if he's not going to hire him, he better have a real good reason why.

The problem as I see it DC is that there aren't many who can stack up against Holmgren.. I mean in terms of the Czar position

Parcells of course, would probably be better than Holmgren,, maybe. But it drops off pretty quick after that.. (he's 68 and won't stay here long but while here, he's the type that would fix a lot of stuff in a hurry and he'd put a top notch staff in place to take over)

Shanahan (not sure he's a Czar type, but a good football guy)

Casserly (not sterling,,, not a choice I'd make)

Reese (did a lot of good things as GM of the Titans, could be good for us)

Accorsi (says he doesn't want the job, but I wonder if he'd come back to groom someone else.....Bernie?)

Wolf (up there in years like Accorsi and hasn't shown any interest as far as I know.... )

McKay (Not sure I want him and not sure if he's the right guy anyway)

Shottenheimer (I don't see him being a Czar type but a good football guy)

There is another guy whose name was bantered about last year. He may have even interviewed with Lerner,, not sure. Can't remember his name but he was with the Broncos for a long time..

I just can't think of another person that is even remotely in the same league as Holmgren or Parcells. actually, I don't think any of these guys are either....

Can you think of others,,,, I mean only for the Czar job.

Casserly said yesterday that Holgrem HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED by Lerner as of the time they were broadcasting the pregames.

Of course what was said ...only those 2 know..but I definitely believe there is interest there on both sides and a meeting will be set up...but it is anyones guess as to when...

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g. Mike Holmgren? I hear reliably he wants to be a GM/president type, not a coach.

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This is from Peter Kings' Monday Morning Quarterback column.

SI.com - Peter King

This is from Adam Schefter's blog:

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Holmgren rumblings

Mike Holmgren's name continues to be linked to Mike Shanahan's, Bill Cowher's, Jon Gruden's, Brian Billick's and any of the other top available coaches.

But there is a difference: Those who know Holmgren insist he won't return to coach. They say he'll return as a president, a football czar.

Most believe the job he wants is in Seattle, where Seahawks president/general manager Tim Ruskell is in the last year of his contract and has not had his contract renewed. The fact that he hasn't is the reason so many people in the league are so curious about the situation in Seattle.

It's no secret around the league that Holmgren and Ruskell didn't see eye to eye. If Seattle makes a change, it could hand off its franchise to Holmgren, who wouldn't have to move from the city he lives in.

And Holmgren's interest in Seattle also could help explain why he has seemed to be in no particular rush to give an answer to Cleveland.

How to fix the Browns

Let's be clear about this: Czars are for Russia, not Cleveland.

What the Browns are looking for is an inspired football leader, someone fundamentally sound in personnel and leadership.

Even though Browns owner Randy Lerner has termed the position a "football czar," it is far more of a traditional general manager job. Whoever is hired would work closely with other front-office leaders.

Most assume that by now Lerner has met with Holmgren about the position. But Lerner also is said to be leaning on the advice of wise NFL consultants to find the person, be it Holmgren or another candidate, who understands the significance of this job and is prepared to immerse himself in it.

Rules prohibit the Browns from interviewing those candidates with the season only in Week 11. But they do have a checklist of other candidates with whom they cannot speak yet.

Until the Browns hire a new football leader, people will continue to wonder how Cleveland could ever challenge Pittsburgh. But keep this in mind: Back in the day, people wondered how Pittsburgh would challenge Cleveland. In 1969, after they had been through 11 coaches and seasons of struggles, the Steelers hired Chuck Noll, who used to play for Paul Brown in Cleveland from 1953 to '59. And then, with some patience, care and good luck, the change was on.

Now, people are wondering how and whether Cleveland can challenge Pittsburgh. It is up to Lerner, and those he leans on, to figure it out.

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Wonder if Holmgren watched BQ. and the Browns yesterday ???

This is the 3rd or 4th article I've read that says Holmgren is dragging his feet with us, because he really wants the Seattle job. I'm afraid this might be the case as well.

With all the pending vacancies open.....several high profile gigs.....we might have a hard time getting our 1st, 2nd or even 3rd choice.....even if Lerner shells out the big $$$.

Holmgren is a no brainer for us, but he could be a no brainer for others that he would deem to be a better situation.

Like I said, I don't understand his plan or his process...

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This is the 3rd or 4th article I've read that says Holmgren is dragging his feet with us,

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Probably all coming directly or indirectly from the same source though... that's the problem with the volume of news we have.. somebody gets an inkling, then 20 other people write articles based on that same inkling until it's become some overwhelming fact...

Just sit tight and see what happens.

Hey remember when Jim Brown stated:

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Former NFL great Jim Brown told a luncheon group in Cleveland on Tuesday that Browns owner Randy Lerner was "meeting with one of the great football minds in this country" to discuss a front-office role with the franchise and later intimated that he was speaking about Mike Holmgren."

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I will bet ANYTHING that Lerner was talking to Ron Wolf...NOT Mike Holmgren

This explains why Holmgren stated he hadn't talked to Lerner

How much you wanna bet that Lerner is thinking:

President: Ron Wolf
GM and Head Coach: Mike Holmgren

Everyone knows Wolf and Holmgren work well together, Wolf's Final say would naturally be Holmgren's Final say...those two guys just agree

you watch, I bet you Lerner was talking to Ron Wolf.....the ONLY way we get Holmgren is if we get Ron Wolf as President...

Maybe, but there is some merit to what they are saying.

Holmgren lives in Seattle......must not dislike the area or he would have moved after last year.

Holmgren has an understanding of the organization

Holmgren has worked for Paul Allen before, and a relationship is there.

I'm not saying we are not getting Holmgren, but I am of the opinion no one is getting him if Seattle wants him back.....too much history and advantages that they have over us. As far as Holmgren, the ball is in Seattle's court imo.

Using other job openings for leverage is far from unusual. Par for the course.

Be patient is what we are going to have to be.