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So are you saying you don't act like your opinion holds more weight than that of mine?
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Actually I never once mentioned my opinion as a deciding factor. But I will say that if you honestly think you know as much as the people I mentioned, you are insane.
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Okay Deep.
First of all, I don't claim to know more/as much as anyone. Second, how would you know I don't know as much? I never even break anything down on this board. Don't care enough to. So, you have no knowledge of my knowledge of the game.
You have a lot to learn, kid. Whether you work for some no name "recruiting site" or not, doesn't mean your opinion means anymore than anyone else's.
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Pick 6! Kentucky up on Tennessee 7-0 early! 
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Then in 3 plays, we give up the lead.
That was the worst defensive "drive", if you can call 3 plays a drive, I've ever seen...
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I've seen enough of your posts to know enough about your knowledge. I don't work for a "recruiting" site. Good grief. And I don't claim to know half as much as the people I mentioned.
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My posts relating to football usually consist of "BQ played a good game" (like agaist Detroit), or "DA played awful, quit trying to make excuses" (Like to Tyler Derden after the 2nd half of the first Baltimore game). I never try to explain why. Like I said, don't care enough to. So if you can judge my football knowledge based on general statements, then props to ya 
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And I meant draft site. I've been spending too much time on Rivals, guess I got recruiting on my mind.
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I freaking hate Tennessee. Micah Johnson looks like he's never played linebacker in his freaking life in this game 
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Overtime in Lexington! GO BIG BLUE!!!
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Great game TD16. Tough loss, but still great game.
Statistics are like a bikini; what they show is interesting, but what they hide is vital.
Drive for show (1st round), Putt for dough (rest of draft).
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Coaching coaching coaching. I'd like to say at least Rich Brooks is going to retire, but he's not the problem. Joker Phillips is a freaking joke. And he'll be the guy that takes over and runs what little CRB has been able to build right into the freaking ground. Why did we play for the tie in regulation? Thanks Joker!
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AHHHH! I can't get over this. If I ever see Joker, I'm going to kick him in the shin. 
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This ND/Stanford game has been good. Stanford up 45-38 with 59 seconds and ND getting the ball.
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NIIIIICE Ending...Hail Mary by Clausen to end the game...batted down in the End Zone.
Charlie Weiss doing no interviews during or post game (not sure about post game presser yet). Of course MOST are speculating he just coached his last game as ND coach.
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I really enjoy watching Stanford football. I am not sure about Gerhart, but he is a monster at the college level.
Luck is going to be a first round draft choice.
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Gerhart is the most fun to watch of any college player in awhile.
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Depening on his 40 he may be available in the 3rd. Either way , I would love to see him in a Browns uniform.
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Depening on his 40 he may be available in the 3rd. Either way , I would love to see him in a Browns uniform.
I've tried to catch him on TV all I can. He's a special kid for sure. Smart and polite with a killer instinct. Kid has incredible lower body strenght! If he can take his game to the pro level, pack a few pounds of muscle on he will be a solid, solid back in the NFL.
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Just got back from watching the greatest player in college football history play his final game at home.
The place was electric from the Gator walk before the game until Tim took his customary walk around the field to thank the fans.
I feel very lucky to have been a part of his 4 years in Gainesville.
It;s going to be a long time before college football sees another player like Tim Tebow.
The kid was a great leader on and off the field. He always played with enthusiasm, pride, and sportsmanship. Not only does he inspire his teammates, he inspired the players on the other side of the ball....heck, even the refs were slapping then kid on the pads at the end of the game.
Nobody can predict what the future holds, but his history in college football is written.
He embraces every quality one could write for a college football player. If I had a Heisman vote, he gets it for sure. It isn't just about the stats, it's also about the spirit a person brings.
Tim brings it in every way, every time.
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I'm no expert talent evaluator by any means, but it's tough to bet agaiinst the kid at the next level. He's beat the best of the best at the colege level.
That was a show for the ages tonight and a guy couldn't script a final home game for himself any better! Awesome kid for sure!
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NFLDraftscout.com lists Gerhart's 40 time at 4.55, with a best of 4.48 and a high of 4.64. He is a shade under 6-1 and weighs 235. I think that if not for having a knee injury last year, he might be a 1st round pick. As it is, I think he'll go in the 2nd or 3rd round, partly because of the injury, partly because he's a Fullback/H-back, and partly for being stereotyped as a slow white guy. I found a pretty good article about him in SI:October 12, 2009 Tunnel VisionToby Gerhart, a deceptively fast back who is quieting the skeptics, has Stanford out front in the Pac-10by GEORGE DOHRMANN Stanford's offensive linemen recently tabbed themselves the Tunnel Workers Union because, in the words of one Cardinal, they are "big guys making holes." Toby Gerhart, the team's star running back, heard the moniker and thought of his father, Todd, a longtime high school football coach who uses the metaphor of a tunnel to explain what distinguishes a great running back from a good one. The tunnel, as Todd Gerhart describes it, is the narrow space "between two walls of humanity" where a back often finds himself after taking a handoff. "A lot of backs don't like to run down the tunnel," Todd says. "People are flying at you, and a safety or a linebacker is waiting. But if you get in the tunnel and make the right choice, the right cut, that's when you get the big run." The big run is one of Toby Gerhart's specialties. After dashing for 134 yards and three TDs in Stanford's 24--16 win over UCLA last Saturday, Gerhart ranks fourth in the nation in rushing. The Cardinal (4--1, 3--0) is the surprise leader of the Pac-10, riding an offense that's built around its 6'1", 235-pound senior. "He's strong, he's got good vision and his feet are quick," says UCLA linebacker Reggie Carter. "And if you don't get your body in front of him, you can't bring him down. He's a complete back." That's a compliment without a qualifier, which Gerhart doesn't receive often enough. He is commonly referred to as a power back or, as UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel called him, "a load," both of which understate his athletic ability. "As a white running back you get stereotyped," Gerhart says. "When I tell people I play football, they say, 'Oh, you're a fullback.'" But Gerhart runs more like Glyn Milburn—the shifty former Stanford great he passed to become fifth on the school's alltime rushing list—than like former Cardinal bruisers Tommy Vardell and Brad Muster. During Stanford's Sept. 26 win over Washington, Todd Gerhart heard a Huskies coach shout, "He's not fast enough to turn the corner!" A few plays later Toby ripped off a 60-yard touchdown run. "The big question people have is about my top-end speed," says Gerhart. "I think I am pretty darn fast. When the NFL combine comes around, I will post a good [40-yard dash] time." Gerhart is confident in part because he has never trained for football year-round. He drops 10 to 15 pounds to play outfield on the Cardinal baseball team, then puts the weight back on. Facing a UCLA defense that was ranked ninth in the country against the run, Stanford's offensive line dominated, and the Cardinal confused the Bruins with its Giant package, which features a sixth lineman: one more tunnel worker opening holes. "We've come a long way," Gerhart says. "We were 1--11 my freshman season, and for a long time the program has been down. But now we are turning the corner." Which is another way of saying that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Find this article at: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1161006/index/index.htm
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Just got back from watching the greatest player in college football history play his final game at home.
The place was electric from the Gator walk before the game until Tim took his customary walk around the field to thank the fans.
I feel very lucky to have been a part of his 4 years in Gainesville.
It;s going to be a long time before college football sees another player like Tim Tebow.
The kid was a great leader on and off the field. He always played with enthusiasm, pride, and sportsmanship. Not only does he inspire his teammates, he inspired the players on the other side of the ball....heck, even the refs were slapping then kid on the pads at the end of the game.
Nobody can predict what the future holds, but his history in college football is written.
He embraces every quality one could write for a college football player. If I had a Heisman vote, he gets it for sure. It isn't just about the stats, it's also about the spirit a person brings.
Tim brings it in every way, every time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this!!!!!!!
Timmy is gonna lead whoever drafts him to sweet, sweet victory. I hope he does it in Brown and Orange.
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I'd love to have Tebow here. Most people are saying that he's a 4th round pick tops. Personally, I'd take him with our first pick in the 2nd round.
I could care less about his lack of technique, or that he didn't run a pro-style offense. - He's a good football player. Pure and simple. He can play qb, rb, or te.
We'll see come draft day. For some reason, I can see Bellichik or Parcells ending up with Tebow.
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Cool that you went to the final game 'Peen. Indeed the last 4 years have been special for the Gators.
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I'd love to have Tebow here. Most people are saying that he's a 4th round pick tops. Personally, I'd take him with our first pick in the 2nd round.
I could care less about his lack of technique, or that he didn't run a pro-style offense. - He's a good football player. Pure and simple. He can play qb, rb, or te.
We'll see come draft day. For some reason, I can see Bellichik or Parcells ending up with Tebow.
While I do not believe the Browns are in any kind of position to run a QB experiment with Tim Tebow -- like probably the Vikings or the Colts could -- I don't doubt for a second he will be successful in the NFL in some capacity; I truly believe this kid could even be a safety or dynamic ST'er,....
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I'd love to have Tebow here. Most people are saying that he's a 4th round pick tops. Personally, I'd take him with our first pick in the 2nd round.
I could care less about his lack of technique, or that he didn't run a pro-style offense. - He's a good football player. Pure and simple. He can play qb, rb, or te.
We'll see come draft day. For some reason, I can see Bellichik or Parcells ending up with Tebow.
While I do not believe the Browns are in any kind of position to run a QB experiment with Tim Tebow -- like probably the Vikings or the Colts could -- I don't doubt for a second he will be successful in the NFL in some capacity; I truly believe this kid could even be a safety or dynamic ST'er,....
He is a winner no matter the position.
I posted this on another board on which I post, and will add it here.
I don't normally get all gushy over players, but Tim is a special breed. he gets my hats off in any forum. I don't doubt anything he wants to do.
I know for some it gets old, but i have seen this kid, and would take him on the Browns in a NY second............
OK, I am a unabashed Gator fan.
I just got home from attending yesterdays game in the Swamp. It was electric from the Gator walk to the final lap of the stadium. I ran across this article on ESPN a few minutes ago and think it sums up everything there is to say about the guy.
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Originally Published: November 28, 2009
Generosity of spirit separates Tebow
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GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- As the most impactful player in college football history made his way around the edge of Florida Field for the last time, the poignancy of the moment was etched on thousands of faces.
The little girl in tears, saying, "Timmy, I love you." She got a hug. The little boy with special needs who comes to practices, he got a hug, too. Women from 12 to 60 screamed with delight after he touched their hands (some of the younger ones simply burst out crying). Men shouted their thanks. Some rubbed his head, some smacked his shoulder pads. Thousands of fans of all ages and colors paid tribute by mimicking his trademark eye black -- the wife and daughters of the head coach among them.
There were even a few seconds of slapstick, when he accidentally stepped on the ankle of a Florida cheerleader and sent her sprawling to the turf. She got a helping hand up from No. 15 and an apologetic embrace -- and a story to tell for decades to come.
As usual, so many people wanted something from Tim Tebow. As usual, he enthusiastically gave it.
He gave them the customary heroic performance during the game: 221 yards passing and three touchdowns; 90 yards rushing and two more scores. Once again, he was the driving force in a dominant Florida victory over its fading rival, Florida State, 37-10.
Then he gave them more when it was over, as his traditional postgame lap to commune with the fans turned into an eight-minute lovefest of startling intensity. Emotion fermenting for four years turned into a vintage outpouring. The record crowd of 90,907 wasn't leaving before throwing a goodbye party fit for a folk hero.
We can vigorously debate Tebow's place in college football history as a player. What's not up for debate is his unparalleled ability to provoke the deepest of feelings in fans of the sport.
He said afterward that he wants the fans to remember him for "how much I cared." The fact is, fans have never cared so much about a player before.
"I've never seen anything like it," Florida coach Urban Meyer said. "… He's made unselfish kind of a cool thing."
None of us has seen anything like it. What makes Tebow unique in the 140-year history of this game is not just his unquenchable spirit. It's his generosity of spirit.
The numbers and awards are all impressive and voluminous, but they're not what have made the quarterback a historic figure in Florida and beyond. That's due to the winning attributes, the leadership qualities, the endless acts of charity performed off the field, the ability to graciously lead a heavily scrutinized life.
You just don't find all those things in a single college-aged package.
Tebow long ago entered another dimension of stardom, as his impact went viral. He is the most polarizing college athlete ever, by a wide margin, engendering the deepest of feelings across the culture.
The cynical and envious rip him -- and rip the media for saying nice things about him, claiming that he is overhyped. (They'll say that very thing about this column, I'm quite sure.) Some roll their eyes at his unapologetically public Christianity -- worn on his sleeve and under his eyes -- despite the authenticity that underlies it in word and deed.
It has become an unfortunate aspect of our Hater Nation mentality that many of us cannot stand too much of a good thing.
But the Tebow lovers are numerous and ardent as well. And Saturday was their day to be seen and heard.
Two hours prior to kickoff, the fans were lined up 20 deep to see Tebow make his final Gator Walk into the stadium. He walked through them in suit and tie, surrounded by law enforcement, keeping his emotions under control.
He was fine most of the day leading up to the 3:30 kickoff, though he conceded that the day seemed to be moving "in slow motion." Finally, when it was time for Senior Day festivities and the oldest Gators ran out onto the field to see their head coach and their families, Tebow lost it.
"[No.] 15 broke down pretty good when he came through that tunnel," Meyer said.
Then he broke down the Seminoles, having a hand in all five Florida touchdowns. He completed 10 straight passes at one point, and threw just four incompletions all day. He ran with power and with speed -- though not without error, fumbling at the end of a 47-yard gallop when he became preoccupied with an extended stiff-arming of a Florida State tackler.
As darkness fell in the fourth quarter and the Gators moved into the closed end of the stadium on their final scoring drive, a spontaneous electrical storm erupted in the stands. Thousands of flashbulbs popped, play after play, as fans sought to preserve for posterity Tebow's final plays in The Swamp.
He wanted his last touchdown here to be a jump pass to tight end Aaron Hernandez -- in fact, he called the play himself, giving a jumping signal to the sidelines to get his point across. Then the play was blown up when Hernandez was tackled coming off the line of scrimmage. After that it was up to Tebow to run it in one more time, pushing his SEC-record total of rushing touchdowns to 56.
Shortly thereafter Tebow went to the bench for the rest of the game. He has some hugely important football still to play, most immediately and importantly the SEC championship game against fellow unbeaten Alabama.
But before moving ahead to the Crimson Tide, the last lap afforded a chance to look back and give back.
Tebow has been making the lap ever since he arrived in Gainesville, and he's always exhorted his teammates to do the same in gratitude to the fans. Sometimes they joined him in great number, sometimes they didn't. Saturday, he had a full complement of fellow Gators making the victory lap with him.
"All the seniors I talked to wanted to do it," he said with some satisfaction. "They wanted to stay and embrace that moment."
The moment kept on going, as Tebow slowly circled the field. The roars from the fans kept on coming. Nobody wanted it to end, and with good reason.
We all knew that we'll never see another player like this again.
Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at ESPN4D@aol.com
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He's versatile. I can see Bellichik taking him and utilizing him at multiple offensive/defensive positions (Vrabel, Troy Brown) or I could see Parcells drafting him and making him a key figure in their wildcat.
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By the time the draft rolls around and the interviews take place, Tebow is going to be a top 20 pick if not sooner.
People have talked about the "it" factor before.....well....Tebow takes the "it" factor to a whole new level.
He makes the entire team better even if he never plays a down.
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By the time the draft rolls around and the interviews take place, Tebow is going to be a top 20 pick if not sooner.
People have talked about the "it" factor before.....well....Tebow takes the "it" factor to a whole new level.
He makes the entire team better even if he never plays a down.
Quoted for truth.
Scouts can rip him to shreds all they want...I want football players and this guy is a football player in every aspect of the word.
Like I said, haters gonna hate.
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j/c... Even Kentucky players are upset with the playcalling from the game vs. Tennessee last night. I updated my facebook status earlier and it says "Just realized Derrick Locke only got 3 carries in the second half last night. How does that happen? Thanks Joker!" Then, I get on, and see "Christian Johnson (UK offensive lineman) likes your status" 
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I'd love to have Tebow here. Most people are saying that he's a 4th round pick tops. Personally, I'd take him with our first pick in the 2nd round.
I could care less about his lack of technique, or that he didn't run a pro-style offense. - He's a good football player. Pure and simple. He can play qb, rb, or te.
We'll see come draft day. For some reason, I can see Bellichik or Parcells ending up with Tebow.
While I do not believe the Browns are in any kind of position to run a QB experiment with Tim Tebow -- like probably the Vikings or the Colts could -- I don't doubt for a second he will be successful in the NFL in some capacity; I truly believe this kid could even be a safety or dynamic ST'er,....
I'd be willing to guess that he ends with with a higher-tier team who takes a flier on him...late second or third.
His NFL career will most likely be limited to tight end, with a good look in whatever 'wildcat' formation his team happens to run.
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I really don't know if I've ever been so excited for a football game that my team isn't even playing in as I am for Florida/'Bama this week.
I just hope it lives up to the hype. I think it will.
On the other side, a lot of people are giving Nebraska a chance against Texas. If Nebraska upsets Texas, it'll be interesting to see who gets in.
1-loss Bama/Florida in a rematch? (Not going to happen, and shouldn't)
1-loss Texas?
Undefeated TCU?
Undefeated Cincy? (If they beat Pitt)
Undefeated Boise?
Personally, I think if Texas loses, they will still get in, though I'd like to see TCU get in.
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I don't see that. I think you will see the SEC game loser get in before you would see Texas if for no other reason the loss would be to a much higher ranked team than Nebraska.
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It depends on how the voters vote and what rationale they use,... Texas losing would really throw it into a tizzy -- my rationale would be "you are done,.." Good Night Texas. That would open the gate for TCU, and what 'might' (?) happen should the 'Cats whip up on Pitt; if Cincy wins close, or of course lose, Good Night Cincy. PROBABLY no way Boise outpolls one loss Texas or the SEC "loser," unless Alabama or Florida completely outclasses the other. Alabama has shown more armor chinks than Florida. Thereby, if Florida wins the aforementioned "very close, down-to-the -wire" contest, Alabama might still outpoll the others as the #2 seed. TCU is The Tide's big problem there,....(assuming Texas loses.) And to follow on there, TCU --with no game to play -- has eliminated Boise from The Title Game. TCU PROBABLY needs Pitt to beat Cincy to eliminate any doubt for them. In the absence of total domination in the SEC Title Game, I have no problem with a rematch. The system being what it is, if they are ranked 1 & 2 after the weekend, then so be it. This is PROBABLY more likely with an Alabama "close, down to-the-wire" finish, as Florida has been, and is obviously, all year the best team in college football. I could see it happening, as TCU would PROBABLY not outpoll such a one-loss Gator team. If 'Bama can annihilate Florida, then, MAYBE TCU gets in with a Texas loss; simply--in my view--the Longhorns MUST win to get in. My headache will migraine when, after all of the dust settles, we could still have 3 or more undefeated teams screaming for their share(s) of the mythical Title, especially if Texas wins the BCS Championship Game and TCU, Boise, and Cincy have big blowouts in their bouts. Don't know how, or if, any of those 2 will be playing each other. One of them might even have to "sit" if Texas loses to Nebraska. You could even have Florida winning the AP if it loses to Texas,....especially POSSIBLE if the Gators were to lose a close one to TCU, or trash TCU in the Sugar Bowl. So after all that BS,  I'm still seeing Florida and Texas. Ohio State and Thursday's PAC 10 'Survivor,....' Cincy as the Big East rep,....Clemson/Georgia Tech winner as the ACC Orange lock-in Sugar Bowl,...SEC loser and TCU/Boise Fiesta,...TCU/Boise and somebody,....???? Personally I don't think it should be Penn State since they lost to Iowa.,...from the rankings, it doesn't look like there is another candidate besides Iowa,.... And a final note, while I try to respect the autonomy of all conferences, I don't think any conference champ should be "automatic" when they're not ranked as high as the non-BCS conference champs MUST be in order to get a berth,....for example, if Clemson wins the ACC, we get #25 Clemson in the pool. IF Bosie and TCU have to be Top 16 (or whatever) then Clemson should too. This happened a few years ago with 4/5-loss Pitt winning the Big East.
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All Pro
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All Pro
Joined: May 2008
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I'd love to have Tebow here. Most people are saying that he's a 4th round pick tops. Personally, I'd take him with our first pick in the 2nd round.
I could care less about his lack of technique, or that he didn't run a pro-style offense. - He's a good football player. Pure and simple. He can play qb, rb, or te.
We'll see come draft day. For some reason, I can see Bellichik or Parcells ending up with Tebow.
BB took KSU Golden Flash QB Julian Edelman and turned him into a WR so I'm not surprised. Good call on that.
Go Browns!
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