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Absolutely... a LOT of body energy goes into just keeping core temps up. As you get colder and near the beginning stages of hypothermia, EVERYTHING goes slower and slower.
No doubt that these guys did what they could to keep warm, but a couple of hours exposure in those temperatures will have an effect on anybody & everybody.
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Harrison has shown an ability to make the right move behind great blocking and get yardage that other backs can't. I think his ability is best when he has Vickers making the right moves and leading him. Harrison has always been able to get yards maybe not with just 5-10 carries but when he can make the right move he is gone very fast.
The traditional football logic says he is too small but that would exclude Sproles and LT and many other good backs. I think the small fast RB is harder to find and is a real problem for defenses. If we had a real thinking coach that was able to use his talent we would have used Harrison with Cribbs and Lewis. Now Lewis is gone so aren't you glad we kept Harrison?
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So, who is this Jerome Harrison guy, did the Browns just sign him?
No. No, he's been on the team for four years now.
He was on the practice squad most of the time though, right?
No, he's been on the active roster.
Has he been injured most of his career?
He's been a little banged up here and there. But nothing major.
When he did get playing time previously he probably didn't perform well though, right?
Actually prior to this season he averaged 5.4 yards per carry in limited playing time.
So why hasn't he played this year for a rebuilding team, you know just to see what he can do?
We had Jamal Lewis.
Oh, I understand, Jamal Lewis is a pretty good back and can carry the offense on his back, right?
Not really. He averaged only 3.6 yard per carry last year, and before being "injured" this year he averaged 3.5 yards per carry. And pretty much looked like he didn't want to be around anymore. He even announced was going to retire mid-season.
At least Harrison wasn't successful in college, so there was really no way to tell if he was good, right?
Actually, he was pretty good in college.
What did he have a couple good games or something?
You can say that. He broke the Pac-10 record for most consecutive 100 rushing games with 16. Set the Washington State record with 1,900 yards, which also led Division I. And was named to the All-American team. Other than that he didn't do much.
So why hasn't he played?
He isn't a very good blocker.
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Actually, he was pretty good in college.
What did he have a couple good games or something?
You can say that. He broke the Pac-10 record for most consecutive 100 rushing games with 16. Set the Washington State record with 1,900 yards, which also led Division I. And was named to the All-American team. Other than that he didn't do much.
Don't forget he scored 16 rushing TDs in that same year. Altogether he racked up 2106 total yards and 17 TDs in his last season before declaring.
He has Maurice Jones-Drew utility in him.
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I think Harrison just had a successful audition for the new regime....just thinking....
I know KC isn't very good against the run....how many runs did Jennings break....oh, thats right he didn't have many carries....
hmmmmm, sounds alot like what we could say about Harrison the last two years.
Oh, can Jennings block?
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i'm always so puzzled by harrison talk. i'm hopeful that he's getting the bulk of the carries for the rest of the games and shows he can do it for at least the next season so we can address other positions. i always viewed harrison as our type of fast willie but we saw how quickly he fell out of favor in pittsburgh.
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Harrison named FedEx Player of the Week 12.25.2009 Jerome Harrison has been named FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week for games played on December 17-21, the league announced on Thursday. Harrison rushed for career-highs with 286 yards on attempts (8.4 avg.) and three rushing touchdowns of 71, eight and 28 yards, as the Browns defeated the Kansas City Chiefs, 41-34, on Sunday. Harrison's rushing total marks the third-most in a single-game in NFL history, trailing only Adrian Peterson (296 in 2007) and Jamal Lewis (295 in 2003). His total also surpassed Jim Brown's previous team record of 237 rushing yards, set in 1957 and tied in 1961. This is the first FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week Award for Harrison in his career. He is the first Browns player to win the award since running back Jamal Lewis was honored on September 20, 2007. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=10320
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1. From my years watching the NFL and also from my personal experience. Players earn reps.
2. Finally I think Harrison earned some more reps - of course HIS WAY it took a miracle 280+ day against a team that was playing 9 in the box...a lot!!!
He Earned More REPS!
3. No doubt in my mind his blocking...and I won't insult the art of blocking by saying the word "ABILITY" cause everyone has the ability to block. I'd rather state it as his "WILL" to block was horrendous.
4. The last couple of games I've seen a change in him. I have seen him actually lay some wood on a defender, something you would never see in the past. So hopefully he's finally stopped fighting the coaching staff. 
5. But I have felt all along that Jerome has done a diservice to us fans by keeping himself off the field and not earning reps by not doing what is asked of almost all RBs now a days...sacrifice!
6. His first two season he couldn't earn a spot, with sacrifice, onto special teams basically the way most 5th round picks do unless there are injuries to the position that he plays.
7. He couldn't win role jobs from Jason Wright and at times this season from Jenning a rookie from the Canadian League.
8. I don't think there were many fans who didn't believe he could/would be lightning in a bottle when he had the ball in his hands.
9. Game after game I'd see him come in - sometimes doing good things. And then he'd be in a position to sacrifice his body for the good of a play and he would take a dive...or opt to fake the block and put himself in a position to be open as a check down...all too often though having our QB killed and no successful play.
IMMEDIATELY HE WOULD BE PULLED FROM THE GAME...and never heard of again that day!
Even in his record breaking day for us against the Chiefs it almost happened again.
# 6-R.Succop kicks 63 yards from KC 30 to CLV 7. 16-J.Cribbs to CLV 25 for 18 yards (55-J.Rogers).
# 1-10-CLE 25 (14:55) 35-J.Harrison right tackle to CLV 34 for 9 yards (39-B.Carr).
# 2-1-CLE 34 (14:21) 35-J.Harrison right tackle to CLV 37 for 3 yards (94-T.Jackson).
# 1-10-CLE 37 (13:41) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short left to 86-M.Gaines.
# 2-10-CLE 37 (13:37) 10-B.Quinn pass short right to 88-C.Stuckey pushed ob at CLV 48 for 11 yards (24-B.Flowers).
# 1-10-CLE 48 (13:37) (No Huddle) 10-B.Quinn up the middle to KC 49 for 3 yards (95-R.Edwards).
# 2-7-KC 49 (12:58) 35-J.Harrison up the middle to KC 42 for 7 yards (30-M.Brown; 51-C.Mays).
# 1-10-KC 42 (12:20) 10-B.Quinn pass short left to 35-J.Harrison ran ob at KC 34 for 8 yards.
# 2-2-KC 34 (11:47) (No Huddle) 34-C.Jennings up the middle to KC 29 for 5 yards (92-W.Gilberry).
# 1-10-KC 29 (11:29) (No Huddle) 34-C.Jennings right end to KC 29 for no gain (50-M.Vrabel).
# 2-10-KC 29 (10:50) (No Huddle) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete deep right to 11-M.Massaquoi.
# 3-10-KC 29 (10:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete deep right to 11-M.Massaquoi.
# 4-10-KC 29 (10:18) 4-P.Dawson 47 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-2-R.Hodges.
mentioned in another thread but should be discussed here.
In the hilited area on a 1st n 10 - the play called for BQ to roll out to his left. JH was situated outside to chip block the DE and possibly be an outlet option.
He instead made a little jab fake to the DE and then took off without ever touching the DE - He gives him one good shove it would have made a difference. Didn't even attempt to touch him. Quin almost gets killed and lays up a very awkward backhand shovel pass the Jerome gets.
Note IMMEDIATELY after that play Jerome is out and Jennings is in.
If Jamal was not on IR and in the game...it would have been just another long list of plays that JH chose not to block and we would not have seen him for the rest of the game!
So now he has finally earned his way to more reps.
I have seen him improve on his blocking "WILL" the last couple of games. Hopefully he has turned the corner and we got a great RB! As a Browns fan nothing could/would make me more happy.
However unlike some here...I don't scorn RAC or Mangini for not having him in running the ball regularly before this point n time. I choose to scorn Jerome Harrison cause he not only failed himself with the path of defiance he has taken in regards to sacrificing himself for the team! He Failed US FANS! Cause if he's magic in the bottle he kept himself corked up!
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735 yards after being inactive for games and given a few carries in many others. 4 TDs....4.8yd. average.
I don't think Jerome can handle 25+ carries for a whole season, but I think if he got 15 to 20 a game, he could be a factor. When he has been the feature back, he's got over 100 yds. That's got to mean something.
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Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7, 208.
Jerome Harrison: 5'9, 205.
Last four games:
Maurice Jones-Drew: 87 carries, 308 yards, 2 TD's, 11 receptions, 95 yards, 1 TD.
Jerome Harrison: 90 carries, 478 yards, 4 TD's, 11 receptions, 84 yards, 2 TD's.
The numbers within the past four games don't look similar? However, the distinction I made was that Jerome Harrison has Maurice Jones-Drew utility potential, not that he was the exact same player as Maurice Jones-Drew.
Isn't it kind of odd that we are playing Jacksonville in the final week of the season, too?
I just wish the two were the same age.
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j/c this can provide some insight as to why we didn't see as much harrison in the beginning of the season. Quote:
Browns RB Jerome Harrison admitted that he wasn't focused on good practice habits until speaking with coach Eric Mangini a few weeks ago. "There was practice, but I always told myself (at prevuous levels) to just wait for the game," he said. "But it's not like that (in the NFL)."
Browns coach Eric Mangini said he has seen RB Jerome Harrison improve in practice and in pass protection, the two areas that was keeping him on the bench. Harrison has rushed for 434 yards the last two games and an average of 5.9 yards a carry.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CLE
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Well, that's pretty enlightening. Hopefully he keeps up his new found work ethic... we all benefit from it.
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It is encouraging.
However, that optimism needs to be tempered.
In many ways, what we're feeling with Harrison mirrors Lee Suggs of 2003 or '04. When he "finally" got his chance to stop being a role-player and start, he had a big day, something like 180 yards on not that many carries. He then finished out the year with three consecutive games of 100+ yards.
The last we saw of Suggs, he got a couple (literally) of carries with the Dolphins in '06, and I think is running youth camps now.
No, Harrison hasn't been as fragile as Suggs. "Glass Joe" from the old Punchout games had more durability than Suggs.  But Harrison HAS been dinged quite often.
In many ways success in the NFL is about overcoming perceptions. It's a world where every single player has to prove themselves. If they were a high draft pick, they have to prove they were worth the investment and hype. If they were a low draft pick, they have to prove they belong. Nothing is handed to anyone, not when millions upon millions of dollars are at stake. In those terms, Harrison has to prove he can hold up to the punishment of doing it for weeks on end, not just two weeks in a row, and there's nothing wrong with that line of thinking. In fact, it's smart.
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Oh, I'm with ya on that... don't forget, I'm among the first to be most vocal about calling him fragile  It's just nice to actually see something real - from Harrison himself, no less - as to why someone that is able to be so productive has gotten so few looks. Until this, it was mostly all complete speculation on our parts... this kinda nails it for us.
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Agreed. It's good to know some of the truth, from the horses-mouth, no less.
Now that I've gone all Realism on Harrison, I would say the only thing he needs to overcome now is that slight frame of his and prove he can take it for 17 weeks. If he's finally learned that there are no free rides in the NFL, that's part of the battle.
Maybe that's why he's been fragile. It's worth considering, even if I don't believe it.
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Jackfrosty...I know you made a comparison with Dre Jones regarding the last 4 games...but it might be skewed a bit. Keep in mind Drew Jones has been the workhorse for the ENTIRE season. Harrison has fresh legs.
What I didn't like was I thought Harrison did pretty good yesterday...but at the end of the game he didn't have the GAS to Pound the way we wanted to. I don't know if the coaching staff was trying to prove something to him???  I didn't get it.
I think Jennings is a little bigger (14lbs) and had fresher legs to pound and finish the game....it looked like Harrison didn't have it and couldn't move those piles forward to any degree.
If Harrison is the guy...he needs another to take some of the load...somebody like Bush would be perfect.
Or the guy Weaver from Holmgren past is doing for a team (forget which) - not to replace Vickers. But to be our Muscle pound guy to finish games!
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By the fourth Quarter Harrison was spent , period .. Why in the devil Daboll /Mangini didn't throw Jennings in , is beyond me .. Evan Moore has shown some nice separation and hands at TE , but he was not on the field that much ... I feel like a broken record ( I know Eo  ) but evaluating / using talent is not Mangini's strong suit ..
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all i want from him is one solid season as the lead horse, allow us to focus on other positions, and then we can draft a top rb in 2011. if he gives us this, i'm happy.
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Teams can find good backs anywhere. I think it'd be very easy to acquire someone to split carries without investing much of anything. We need look no farther than Berea, where we've had guys named Droughns, Lewis, and Harrison show up with some good work, and those players all cost us virtually nothing.
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Maurice Jones-Drew: 87 carries, 308 yards, 2 TD's, 11 receptions, 95 yards, 1 TD.
Jerome Harrison: 90 carries, 478 yards, 4 TD's, 11 receptions, 84 yards, 2 TD's.
The numbers within the past four games don't look similar? However, the distinction I made was that Jerome Harrison has Maurice Jones-Drew utility potential, not that he was the exact same player as Maurice Jones-Drew.
Harrison is very fresh but can wear down..he has to be used on the proper fashion and teamed with a bigger back to be effective..
Good change of pace..certainly should be in there but a power back needs to be brought in.
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Browns RB Jerome Harrison admitted that he wasn't focused on good practice habits until speaking with coach Eric Mangini a few weeks ago. "There was practice, but I always told myself (at prevuous levels) to just wait for the game," he said. "But it's not like that (in the NFL)."
Browns coach Eric Mangini said he has seen RB Jerome Harrison improve in practice and in pass protection, the two areas that was keeping him on the bench. Harrison has rushed for 434 yards the last two games and an average of 5.9 yards a carry.
In light of this information, is that enough to remove the "he didn't play Harrison" argument from the pile of infractions committed by one Mr. Mangini?
I'd also like to ask this ... did Mangini do the right thing by keeping a talent on the bench that he knew would make a difference in the games because he wasn't doing the things that Mangini felt was necessary to change the culture and build the team?
Is that a good coach or a bad coach? Is that a better way to handle things - to take some steps back in the hope for a giant leap forward?
Is Harrison's recent success a direct result of the way Mangini handled this?
Discuss.
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U discuss...your questions seemed to already have been answered..but if not, they are still easy to answer..lets see U do so first.
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I agree with you on Bush. it really seems the days of one back are over, especially when you try and be a running team.
I don't agree with you on his blocking. It has been much improved imo. I don't know if it was a lack of willingness to block ( I believe that is what you thought to some degree ) or just ineptitude. His blocking has been an issue still ( the article says so) but considering how horrible he was before he had a ton to improve.
Apparently he has been a slacker in practice and admitted as much. I guess all of those who bashed the coaching staff (s) should eat a little crow.
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still think we need another guy, i would love to see us draft a big physical type back, like either of the cardinal backs, or a matt forte, peterson back. it'd be a great combo to have size and speed at both positions. i don't know if jerome is a 25/16 type running back, but he has proven he can play and should see 10-15 carries max. he's a good player.
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If Harrison is the guy...he needs another to take some of the load...somebody like Bush would be perfect.
by the context, i think you're talking about michael bush, right?
i was thinking that reggie bush might be useful too. he's not staying in new orleans and if no one wants to give him starter money, he could be valuable here, particularly if quinn gets another year. not the runner people hoped for but as a catching rb, he's very good.
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I would want no part of Reggie Bush, but I'd kill for us to have Michael Bush.
Either way, I do not want us to burn a pick on a RB. Either via Free Agency or just rolling with what we've got, I think we're Ok for one more year with our current RB's.
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I would want no part of Reggie Bush, but I'd kill for us to have Michael Bush.
Either way, I do not want us to burn a pick on a RB. Either via Free Agency or just rolling with what we've got, I think we're Ok for one more year with our current RB's.
i think this league has proven that you can't have enough backs.
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I second this.
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I'm sure EO was talking about Michael Bush. Reggie Bush reminds me way to much of Eric Metcalf. That's not a bad thing unless you are a running back.
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only reason i'd want reggie is if i knew we were keeping quinn for the short term and we weren't going to fight his tendencies. heck, if he likes to dump off, might as well be to a back who can catch and run in space. in that sense, bush was made for quinn. if we were gonna go in any other direction, i agree, i want no part of r. bush either.
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I think that Harrison can fill that role just fine... and we've got a guy named James Davis who will be able to as well.
We need a bigger back to complement Harrison, Reggie does not fit that bill.
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the only thing is we haven't seen harrison used for a full season whereas we've seen bush catch 100 passes in a season.
aside from that, i agree with you.
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Agreed. It's good to know some of the truth, from the horses-mouth, no less.
Now that I've gone all Realism on Harrison, I would say the only thing he needs to overcome now is that slight frame of his and prove he can take it for 17 weeks. If he's finally learned that there are no free rides in the NFL, that's part of the battle.
Maybe that's why he's been fragile. It's worth considering, even if I don't believe it.
I don't think he's been fragile. When he's had opportunities, he's shown to be durable. His injury issues are no better or worse than any other back in the league.
In fact, his college production shows he can handle a big load, granted it was at a different level of punishment.
Maybe it's time to stop doubting him and give him the benefit of the doubt for once. Until he proves me wrong, i'm saying he is durable enough to be a feature back. He's built like a rock, actually, when you look at him. short, but solid.
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He has been fragile since he's been here.
Remember that big run against Buffalo last season? Remember how we didn't see him the rest of the season except once or twice in spot duty?
That's because he pulled a hammy on that run.
There's been at least two other times that he's missed significant time and a number of times where he's been dinged.
I'm not going to bother with it again, but I had collated quite a bit of info on it at the beginning of this season. He has had a large number of time missed due to injury - especially when viewed in light of how few opportunities he has had thus far.
Now, perhaps better conditioning and practicing will help him.. who knows? But so far he has definitely earned a fair bit of that "Fragile" label.
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There was also a large number of times he missed due to coaches not playing him.
A pulled hammy? guys pull their hamstrings running the 40. He wasn't playing becuase the coaches weren't playing him.
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"I don't agree with you on his blocking. It has been much improved imo. I don't know if it was a lack of willingness to block ( I believe that is what you thought to some degree ) or just ineptitude."
Well actually you sort of did. First off I have noted on several posts...not sure where but either on threads talking about this subject or What I saw threads. But I've noted that I have seen him blocker better of date. I did claim that in the past he would get one shot to block...blow it and get pulled. This is something I noticed. I even did notice that he did not block willingly on a pass play from BQ and coincidently he was pulled right after wards. The very next play. If Lewis was healthy - like in the past we probably would not have seen him again. But Lewis is out...and he went on to have an incredible 280 rushing day.
I have noticed some good blocks in the process (last two games) - My opinion is that there is nobody in the game of football that physically cannot block. It is not a difficult skill needed. It is all in the Will to block. especially when you are smaller in mass. Cause it requires sacrifice.
Well you sort of agree with me by noting the ff:
Apparently he has been a slacker in practice and admitted as much.
Well just what part of the game was he slacking in? running? catching? I really doubt it. Its the blocking and it is primarily what has held him down. He hasn't shown that he wanted to work hard at it. He always worked hard at running the ball. And its exactly what I've been saying. I've always said I thought JH was talented with the ball in his hands. But for TWO REGIMES not just one to have him ride the bench meant he was not willing to sacrifice...and usually for a RB that comes in the blocking game especially a 3rd down back.
So once again I think we agree more than disagree. I have noticed a change in most of his blocking the last two games...now is that because he had success and doesn't want to lose his chance...or is that because he gets it now and is willing to do what it takes? Maybe a little of both. But I've noticed about 3-4 solid blocks from him...something I never saw before.
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I really doubt it. Its the blocking and it is primarily what has held him down.
EO...or maybe Mangini just liked his "rookies" better..
IMO, a case of Mangini misjudging a players talent level...thus my major reason Mangini must go..too many major "misjudgements".
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"IMO, a case of Mangini misjudging a players talent level...thus my major reason Mangini must go..too many major "misjudgements".
Actually I see him making everyone better. Harrison is far from established great. Go take a look at that game over. Harrison did well but the record breaking stuff was cause the entire run blocking was amazing! His long run was his best personal best. Not saying he didn't earn it. But here you got a RB self proclaiming he was slacking...and he was always like that in HS n College. It finally sunk in and if Mangini let him run without earning it...what good is that. Just another William Green a RB no willing to work harder to become the best!
Now he might become the best - who knows. But you among others really don't know what you're talking about when you state things like that. Misjudging players talent level? Must go...he probably will but it could bite us in the butt. Careful what you wish for.
My wish is for Holmgren to make Mangini BETTER no GONE.
JMHO to each their own but don't pull crap about your opinion being FACT! it ain't and frankly I got to go with Mangini over you or anyone on this board regarding Evaluating talent.
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Harrison, to me, is ideally the speed back to a thunder/lightning combo with the potential to be a feature back. I would absolutely love to draft a big back this year and pair him with Harrison. It would keep both backs fresh and prolong both of their careers/seasons. I'm just afraid that the Harrison situation has been screwed up.
Management should have realized from the beginning that Jamal was spent, dumped him before we paid his bonus and rebuilt a running game that at least included Jerome. We might've found out the whole story a lot sooner. Now, there are a ton of questions... can Jerome hold up for an entire year? Can he do this against good defenses? Can he show enough power to prove he's more than a scatback?
We just don't have the sample size to make adequate conclusions. What's more, because of how we used him early in the year, he probably wants the hell out of here. He was certainly public with his frustration. We don't know enough about him to use a tag to keep him and if he wants nothing to do with us or is offered a big role with another team, there's nothing we can do. I'd love to keep him splitting carries to test him further, but that opportunity may be behind us thanks to our coaching staff(s).
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