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Harrison is a great back that I've supported. He deserves carries. He's not feature back material... but
At this time in the NFL there really isn't a "Feature" Back role any more.
Willie Parker shares carries with Mendenhall
Peterson shares carries with Taylor
Beanie and Hightower share carries
Johnson shares carries with White
LT shares carries with Sproles
LT Shared Carries with Turner
If you're not at least two deep in the NFL in RB then your running game is going to suffer in some way.
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Now he might become the best - who knows. But you among others really don't know what you're talking about when you state things like that. Misjudging players talent level?
EO...you are entitled to your opinion, but it's not any different or holds no more weight than someone elses opinion.
Make no mistake about it, Mangini fell in love with and favored his rookie rbs from the first game of the season.
Had Davis and Lewis not gone down, Harrison would likely be done as a Cleveland Brown, with Mangini calling the shots.
Do understand this..I was referring to more than just player evaluations..
read what I said again...IMO, a case of Mangini misjudging a players talent level...thus my major reason Mangini must go..too many major "misjudgements".
...too many major "misjudgments" also refers to Mangini's GM, as well as his choice as OC just to name two others. Mangini's misjudgment of Harrison can be added to those also.....and that is my opinion
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I would absolutely love to draft a big back this year and pair him with Harrison.
I hear Toby Gerhart can be had inthe early 2nd. 
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Just Clicking For those that think that harrison is too small,, Quote:
Maurice Jones-Drew | #32 | RB
Jacksonville Jaguars | Official Team Site
Height: 5-7 Weight: 208 Age: 24
296 carries, 1309 yards, 4.4 avg, 15 TD's
http://www.nfl.com/players/mauricejones-drew/profile?id=DRE527472
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Jerome Harrison | #35 | RB
Cleveland Browns | Official Team Site
Height: 5-9 Weight: 205 Age: 26
161 Carries, 735 yards, 4-6 avg, 4 TD's
http://www.nfl.com/players/jeromeharrison/profile?id=HAR601702
Harrison is 2 inches taller and 3 lbs lighter.. (we can feed him a little pasta and get him those three lbs...... 
Jones has 135 more carries,, give that to harrison and he has more yards.. (assuming the average holds up) Don't know if he'd have 15 TD's, but he'd certainly have more than 4.
Give me a better reason than size.....
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Jackfrosty...I know you made a comparison with Dre Jones regarding the last 4 games...but it might be skewed a bit. Keep in mind Drew Jones has been the workhorse for the ENTIRE season. Harrison has fresh legs.
Oh, they absolutely are skewed. I'm not trying to say that Jerome Harrison is on MJD's level in terms of experience (he's nowhere near it), but other than the immediate conditioning, and fundamentals (such as blocking, reading the defense, etc.,), the two have similar utility styles.
The thing that separates Jerome Harrison from being another Reggie Bush type is that he carried the full load in college, he was both the Reggie Bush and the LenDale White.
Will his conditioning improve, and can he be a featured back? I don't know, but it's difficult to argue with the numbers. Luck? As good of a guess as any other. Bad defense? As good of a guess as any other. What I do know is that it takes pressure off of the immediate need to address the running game.
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Daman, don't be fooled by their "near sizes." Jones-Drew is a POWERFUL back, and very much the opposite of Harrison, who struggles to move a pile or even struggle forward when being tackled.
While similar on paper, they couldn't be any more different in running styles.
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I would absolutely love to draft a big back this year and pair him with Harrison.
I hear Toby Gerhart can be had inthe early 2nd.
with our holes on defense and concerns about OL and QB I think we should see what Davis brings to the table to be the second head of our running back corps than going out and grabbing a guy. 2nd round pick we should look at RT or LB not RB
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well, we do have two 5th rounders and if a decent back is avialable then???
I would like to use the other five or six top picks on other "needs"
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All I'm saying Toad, is that you need to come up with more than JUST SIZE as some have done.. you did that,, fine..
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Just as an aside .......
Using the body mass calculater ...... 5'9", and 205 is obese. lol That's about all anyone needs to know about size comparisons.
"Joe Public" could be 5'9" and 205 .... and wear a 46 inch waist. He could also be a workout demon, wear a 28 inch waist, and be ripped from head to toe. Which do we assume when someone says "5"9' and 205#"?
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Jones-Drew, whom I call Oompa-Loomp, has legs like freaking tree trunks...and not a little willow, but a freaking oak.
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I think that is the big difference in their power. Drew-Jones has lower body strength that is rare in small backs. He's built like that dude that played for Dallas years a ago, I think his name was Newsome. Harrison doesn't have half the leg drive that Drew-Jones has, and I also think MJD has a bit of a nasty streak to go with his power. I am a Harrison pimp no doubt, but not as a 25-30 carry guy. I think he can do it occasionally. To get the most from his talent, I think he needs paired with another back. Not necessarily a big bruising between the tackles guy, but one with power and quickness to share the load. I think Jerome will be very successful in this league. The problem with the debate here is that if you say he can be a good back, the doubters immediately assume he has to carry the ball 25+ times a game. IMO, the days when one back is featured for 30 carries a game is over. There still amy be guys who can do it, but with the speed and size of defenses, IMO it is foolish to have one back take that kind of beating. I agree that a guy Harrison's size would take a beating with that many carries. I also don't think he could hold up over a whole season. But to think that the bigger backs don't shorten their careers taking that beating is foolish. I don't care how big you are, 16 games carrying the ball 25+ times wears down any back. Just a side note, isn't it funny that everyone fell for Jamal NEEDING at least 20 carries to get into a rythym? When he was young, he was good from start to finish. Since he's been here, I believe he wore down the more he carried the ball, not the opposite. IMO the "20 carries" thing was a myth used to hide his diminishing skills. C.J. Spiller would be a nice combo with the Ghost 
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I've liked JH for a long time and thought he never really got a fair shot. However, Jerome coming out and saying his work ethic was lacking explains some of the why. Yet, I can't help but feel that the lack of playing time contributed to the poor work ethic somewhat...kind of a negative feedback thing, why bother if I am not going to play?
In either case, Jerome has been stuck in the shadow of Jamal, much like Priest Holmes was for years in Baltimore. Only when Holmes got to KC did he really get his chance to shine. I see Jerome as a very similar style of back. He's got great vision and good hands and can be utilized in alot of different ways given the right offensive scheme.
Unfortunately for us his contract is up and IMO the team didn't treat the man very well.
In his limited chances on this poor team JH has shown he can be a significant contributor in the league. His 286 raised alot of eyebrows.
Do any of you think he will be around next year? I personally think he's gone.
Maybe MH will reach out to him. Maybe not. Of course it ultimately comes down to money, but it may also depend on whether or not Mangini and Daboll are still around.
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If I'm not terribly mistaken, Harrison has 3 years in the league, making him a restricted free agent regardless of what happens with the CBA.
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I hope to god we resign him. He's one of our few few bright spots on offense. I would rather have at least one guy in the back field who is more experienced than jennings or Davis. WE HAVE TO KEEP THE GHOST! 
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If I'm not terribly mistaken, Harrison has 3 years in the league, making him a restricted free agent regardless of what happens with the CBA.
You are mistaken.  
He was drafted in 2005. If there were a new CBA he would become an UNrestricted FA, however since there is no new CBA yet (and not likely by FA time), he will be a restricted FA. Need six years to get that unrestricted distinction (if no new CBA is agreed upon).
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"You are mistaken. He was drafted in 2005"
Sorry BatDawg...when you correct somebody ya should be in fact correct. He was drafted in 2006  just an fyi
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Maybe I'm just going on hope, but I don't think the argument of "we didn't treat him very well" applies when he comes out and says he wasn't practicing the way he should.
Also, him saying that makes me want him to stay even more. I kind of like our stable of RB's right now. Jennings produced when called upon, Harrison fills the complementary runner/scatback position well, and Davis has alot of potential. I hope we look to use our draft picks in other more needy areas.
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There isn't a position in the league that is as easy to fill as the RB position. You can find serviceable backs everywhere. I'd be upset if we took a back with anything higher than a 4th rounder because of that fact. Proof can be found right here in Cleveland. We didn't have a 1000-yard back in a quarter-century. Then Droughns had back-to-back 1200 yard seasons (one as a Bronco), followed by Jamal Lewis with back-to-back 1000 yard seasons. Both guys were acquired without spending a draft pick.
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Holmgreen,
Go ahead and keep Davis and Harrison.. and draft a new guy. I say Legarette Blount.
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Yep, 145th pick of the 2006 NFL draft....my bad, I thought his contract was up this year.
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I hope to god we resign him. He's one of our few few bright spots on offense. I would rather have at least one guy in the back field who is more experienced than jennings or Davis.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THE GHOST!
I completely agree. Harrison needs to stay Brown. I also agree that Harrison would be more explosive against tougher run defenses with another good running back splitting carries. JH with 15-20 carries as our #1 back splitting the rest is
However I've changed my opinion of needing to draft a RB next year. Who we have on our roster now will suffice and we should take a season to properly evaluate the position. Though I respect Jamal lewis' career, (counting this season) the past 2 seasons he has definitely held back the running game.
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Yep, 145th pick of the 2006 NFL draft....my bad, I thought his contract was up this year.
Thanks EO!
You were correct though incorrect. 
This is Harrison's 4th season .... which would make him an unrestricted free agent under the old CBA.
I, however, was incorrect ... though also incorrect. 
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"my bad, I thought his contract was up this year."
I believe it is...contract up that is.
Actually everything BATDAWG stated was correct...just that small mistake of the 06 draft versus his stated 05 draft...the rest was spot on correct and applicable regardless of the 06/05 draft.
It is actually very, important for us to have no CBA for this 2010 period...get one done at the 11th hour before the 2011 season
We got like Several that we would love to have fall under RFA that aren't there.
DQ, Harrison, Pool, Roth, Vickers To name a few...all would go from UFA's to RFA's if there is no CBA
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Just as an aside .......
Using the body mass calculater ...... 5'9", and 205 is obese. lol That's about all anyone needs to know about size comparisons.
"Joe Public" could be 5'9" and 205 .... and wear a 46 inch waist. He could also be a workout demon, wear a 28 inch waist, and be ripped from head to toe. Which do we assume when someone says "5"9' and 205#"?
You are right on. As a wrestling coach I try and get it into the kids heads that equal size and weight aren't equal.If you don't know what I mean check out a local high school wrestling match and see the difference between two kids in the same weight class.
Granted we are comparing two top end professional athletes but body type does matter. Jones Drew has thighs of a guy like 6' 0. He has a much more powerful build and I bet a much stronger core. Jerome is a big for a guy of his height but it doesn't translate into power. He is far from being the lightweight he came into the league as but no matter how hard he works he cannot escape his body type.
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Interesting,, Thanks Frosty....
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Just a comment about the size of RBs...Barry Sanders was 5-8 and 200 lbs.
Barry Sanders is the best small RB I have ever seen and Jim Brown is the best big back.
The thing about small (short) RBs, they are hard to find behind all those big OL and contrary to what some might think, the can be very productive running inside the tackles.
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YTown, Eotab, I agree, an uncapped year undoubtedly works in our favor for 2010! Yet, what it foretells for 2011 and beyond is not much to hope for....
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I'd like to offer to eat some crow. I was a doubter. I figured that if 2 different coaches weren't playing him then he must not be good. He is good. I also critized him for his poor blocking skills, but obviously a better gameplan where he doesn't need to block was needed. A big bruising RB would be nice to have, but RB can now be further down on this team's priority list. Consider me on the Harrison bandwagon.
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Harrison did it again! He's a keeper in my book. Well its official.. The offseason is the Browns fans best season. All I can hope for is the Harrison/ Davis tandem to take off.
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There are a few here, me included, who have been calling for JH for at least two seasons.
When a guy keeps running and running and keeps being productive, what do you do?
Let him play, perhaps? Call me crazy, but that's what I'd do.
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Harrison can definitely be the main back in a two man rotation.
you had a good run Hank.
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anyone know the contract status of lendale white? i think this is a contract year for him? he'd be great as part of the 1-2. i know we have davis but he's still an unknown and the titans showed early in the season they have no use for lendale anymore.
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You are correct. He signed a four-year contract in '06, and it expires after this season.
LenDale White will be expensive if Michael Turner's FA contract is used as the measuring stick, though. Other than that, and a few character issues (however, there hasn't been a peep out of him since Chris Johnson took over the role as primary rusher in Tenn.), he would be a nice compliment to Harrison.
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anyone know the contract status of lendale white? i think this is a contract year for him? he'd be great as part of the 1-2. i know we have davis but he's still an unknown and the titans showed early in the season they have no use for lendale anymore.
o no u didnt just suggest we should get Lendale White..
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Harrison can definitely be the main back in a two man rotation.
I agree, but the TWO MAN part is key. He really has only played for 1/3 of a season at best as a heavy load back, and he looks gas'd. that worries me. We also don't know if we have the other back in James or not. I not sold he can carry the rock for an entire season. We still need another back to emerge.
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Just curious, but what are you basing your opinion on that he looks gassed?
I was watching in a bar today with a lot of other stimuli and didn't catch every minute of the game like I normally do.
He didn't look gassed running the ball when I saw him.
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care to explain why i didn't?
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