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Why is he done with three weeks and playoffs left in the season!

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Cause he'll be busy here in Cleveland

It certainly sounds over in the great Northwest!

Thanks for the play by play Daman... You getting this off of radio?

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Then basically says I'd fire him if I were in charge.

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LOL He didn't say anything of the kind....

D-shot, you are the best! Hope he is packing tonight!

Mike Holmgren will give Browns answer soon about accepting "very appealing'' job

By Mary Kay Cabot
Cleveland Plain Dealer
December 18, 2009, 3:58PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Former Seahawks and Packers coach Mike Holmgren said on a radio show Friday that the Browns job is "very appealing'' to him and that he plans to get back to Browns owner Randy Lerner "sooner than later'' about whether or not he'll accept the position.


He also did not rule out coaching as part of the job. He also indicated he's been contacted by at least one other NFL team, and that it wasn't the Seahawks, who are in the early stages of a general manager search.


He said "there's not a lot of layers betweeen (him and Lerner) and it's very, very appealing from that aspect.''


He said as far as the roles that were discussed, it "would be any and all. It's a wonderful opportunity for anybody. Exactly how the setup will be regarding me, it's something I'm still thinking about.''


Holmgren, who's won one Super Bowl and taken his teams to three, did not rule out coaching the Browns and was somewhat vague on that topic.


Asked what he would do with Browns coach Eric Mangini if he took over, Holmgren declined to be specific.


"It would be really unfair for me to talk too much about that,'' Holmgren said. "I like Eric Mangini. You better give everyone a chance. This is his first year in Cleveland....Bill Parcells did it in Miami (firing Cam Cameron) his first year...I'd be the first one to tell you that's not very fair. Sometimes the tough decisions aren't fair. I'd do everything in my power to make sure everyone gets a chance to prove themselves.''


Holmgren basically confirmed the job is his if he wants it.


"I think I'd have a real good chance, yes,'' said Holmgren. "I had a pretty good feeling when I left.''


He acknowledged that "the challenge of rebuilding is in my blood."


He said it would be very special for him to return to the Seahawks if they decide to pursue. Meanwhile, he sounded very intrigued by the Browns job.

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Thanks for the play by play Daman... You getting this off of radio?

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Internet... the radio station has a website with a live feed..

I was listening to that and typing as fast as I could... yikes my fingers are tired...>LOL

Well that certainly was NOT your normal sign off on a radio show and most certainly sounded like a goodbye amongst friends.

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Did he really just dagger all of Seattle over the air like that?

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LOL NO,, They were saying that he had to run because he had a conference call to attend... I threw in the RANDY as a question.... Sorry bout that..

based on the feeling i have, i think it's 50/50 right now. a few days ago i thought this was more of a ploy to get seattle to give him the max, but now, it seems a little more serious.

he's a great football guy and i think we'd be blessed to add him on.

the PD should hire Daman, I liked his summaries better

well teh article backs up what you typed pretty well so I would say you deffinately may have missed your calling as a court recorder...

Well go figure, signs off at 4pm, has a conference call soon, Cabot unleashes an article saying could be soon at 3:58pm, radio show sounds like a funeral with one host choking up at the end...it's gonna happen....

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Well that certainly was NOT your normal sign off on a radio show and most certainly sounded like a goodbye amongst friends.

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Oh,, well, if he moves to another city, then yeah, that was the last show.. If he were to stay in Seattle,, my guess is the show would continue... just a guess however..

But yeah, it seemed pretty clear he's moving on and that would end the show so you bet it was a good bye between friends..

As for him coming here.. I'm more encouraged then I was before.... but we'll see.. until it's done, it's not done.....

Just clicking,, thanks to all for the kind words.. as for being a court reporter.. yikes... no,, please no...LOL

As for being a reporter,, I would never last.. I'd try to tell the story as it is and that doesn't seem to work in the media...LOL

If Holmgren comes to Cleveland, then likely he'd adopt WCO. I'd guess not in year 1 - to be completely honest I could see him keeping Mangini to see what happens for year 1, and have Gruden in the back pocket for 2011 when his contract expires. I could also see him being GM/Coach for year 1 for the same reason.

He'd also likely go back to the 4-3 defense. I think the transition back would be possible with the team we have - though we'd be in need of 4-3 OLBs. Just my opinion.

I doubt that they'd release Hasselbeck before the end of his contract, unless the new GM picks up a FA QB this offseason. As much as I like Seneca, he's not a full time QB, and rook Mike Teel showed me nothing in his time in preseason. That being said, I'd not be surprised if he brought Matt in if we switched to WCO. Also, if WCO were the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Colt McCoy was our 2nd round pick (assuming he was available) - to me, he's the prototypical WCO QB (accurate, mobile, intelligent, good decision maker).

Hmm, this has me thinking, I'll have to go through our roster and see who will still be on the team next season and take a look at what it might look like with 4-3 and WCO...will give us an idea how he might draft.

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By the way...how do you look in a skirt?!..

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With or without my legs shaved?

Enjoy the video

http://packers.fandome.com/video/116277/Brett-Favre-Halloween-Pranks-Mike-Holmgren/

I think this is a blog.. so it may not be admissable here..

it's the Transcript of the radio show today...

if it's gotta be deleted, so be it... sorry..

.Browns News
Holmgren comments on Browns, trip to Cleveland
By Don Delco
NoLogoNeeded.com Staff Writer


For those who were unable to listen to the NFL Show with Mike Holmgren on Seattle's KJR 950 AM on Friday, No Logo Needed has a transcript after the jump.

"It's a wild time right now," said Holmgren, in his opening statement from his Arizona home. "There's a lot of stuff fin the paper, some of it, as you well know, some correct, some of it isn't. Puts a smile on my face some of the time, some of the time you get fired up."

The show's host, Dave "Softy" Mahler, began by talking to Holmgren about his mission trip to Mexico. Apparently, his first stop when he returned to the states was Cleveland, Ohio.

Holmgren's mission trip consisted of laying cement floors with wife, Kathy, for poor people who live on dirt floors.

The host, Dave "Softy" Mahler, began asking Holmgren questions.

Q: Has this experience changed your thoughts about what you want to do next five, 10 or even 20 years?

A: It could very well. Kathy has a servant's heart. She's a social worker and a nurse. She's dealt with downtrodden folks. I don't come close to that. Having gone on the trip, we help them, I'm not sure I didn't come out more than we gave. If it doesn't effect you, somehow, then I'm not sure blood running in there.

Down the road, to do more of these things and to maybe shift gears a little bit, down the road, absolutely that could happen.

After a commercial break, the discussion centered around the Cleveland Browns.




Q: Let's jump into Cleveland. Reports are you were offered the job and they like to use word czar. Fan of that word?

A: No, I really don't. I don't know who coined that. It has nothing to do with football.

Q: Tell us about Cleveland.

A: I did fly back there, last Monday and spent all day Tuesday there. I got in Monday evening, spent Tuesday with Randy Lerner and met lot of the folks in organization. Tuesday afternoon we looked at houses. It was the normal fact-finding and flew back to Arizona Wednesday.

No money was talked about. It wasn't like that. They were getting to know me a little better and me getting to know their organization and people better.

It was wonderful trip. Great people, great owner, lot of work to do with franchise, it was very information, very good meeting.

Q: Have they let you know that option is available if it's something you want to do? Get sense the opportunity is there for you?

A: I had good feeling when I left. I had lot dealings with owner, which is very refreshing. He's honest man, good guy and I just liked everything I heard. I think I have real good chance.

Q: How do they see you being involved with their team?

A: As far as the presentation, it would be any and all, I would say. It's a wonderful opportunity for anybody. Exactly how set up would be regarding me something I'm still thinking about and my obligation let the Browns know what I'm thinking. Timetable we're working on. Time come back, think about it and talk to some people about it.

Q: What about the reports about letting them know by Christmas or this weekend?

A: In fairness to the Browns, I think you have to do that whether it's me or anybody else dealing with anybody organization. These types of talks at this stage earlier than when these things are done, in fairness, make a decision and let them know. Exactly the day, that hasn't been decided. I would say sooner than later.

Q: Let's talk about that franchise and start with guy walking the sidelines, Eric Mangini. What is your take on him?

A: It would be unfair to talk too much about that. I like Eric Mangini, good coach, bright guy, works hard at his job and we have to see. Anytime you go in and are responsibility for who that person is, in fairness to everybody, you better give everyone a chance. This is his first year in Cleveland, I supposed there has been situations, Bill Parcells in Miami made a coaching change. Having been a coach for so many years, I'd be the first one to tell you that's not fair. Tough decisions aren't fair. I'd do everything in my power it is the right one.

Q: Go back to the point on the timetable. He can wait, something may pop with Dallas, Seattle, what have you. I'd think there be dire need resolve matter with Browns right now. If you can, comment on timetable and why you think you need get answer to them quickly.

A: In fairness to their organization. Randy Lerner deserves that. More than fair to me, honest man. I feel that would be the right thing to do. I'm not trying to leverage anybody. About as good situation you can ask for in this business.

Q: What other criteria are you evaluating? Is it the quarterback? Do you want to get back on sidelines or just want front office job? What items are most important to you considering a job?

A: I can honesty say in any previous positions, I never analyzed it quite like that. I just said, you know what, these people wanted me, in talking about previous jobs, that in itself, a good thing. I go in there roll up my selves, if it needs fixing, I'm going to fix it. The challenge of rebuilding is in my blood. I might look at jobs or situations little differently than somebody else. It's how you're wired. In Cleveland, the biggest attraction so far is ownership. Randy Lerner really would like his team — his father bought team and passed away and now Randy has the team — he wants the team to play well and do well for the city. He likes the area. He really is a genuine guy. I've been very, very impressed. All the other stuff, quarterback, yeah, things whatever you like a little better if go in there and work. They are a distance second, third and fourth. It's a wonderful job with lot of responsibly and not a lot of layers between me and Randy. There are none. I'm dealing with the owner. Very appealing from that aspect.

Q: Mentioned quarterbacks there. When you watch Brady Quinn what do you see?

A: I haven't watched him every much. He's a local guy, a great college player at Notre Dame, lot of success. Derek Anderson had a really fine season, I remember him having a great game against us. You have these two guys. This I know, juggling two guys, becomes hard for both of them and team. Not optimum situation that way. In Brady's case, he was a high draft pick. You can count the number of games he played, by third year if guy has played and played in one system, you know what you have. He isn't close approaching three years playing even though he's in his third year. I'd have to study and learn so much more about both young men make good answer.

Q: If you were to go to Cleveland and some sense impact family, Kathy farther form grand kids. Talk about how family and how specifically with Kathy, how these thoughts go?

A: Interesting thing. We've talk about nothing else last couple days. Every family has a certain dynamic. Kathy and I always talk about these things together. I will make the decision, but I always tried to involve her and her feelings. You have to do that. Some coaches, as you know, see it in baseball a lot, living and working in city and wife in another city. It works for them. That does not work of us. If we go somewhere, we go somewhere as a team. Absolutely hard, we love seeing kids and grandkids. Situation now is optimal. Times change, life changes. This day in age with flying around you can get to some place. she also knows I want to work again and she's my partner so here we go.

In the third segment, the talk centered on Seattle as well as if he has or hasn't been contacted by another NFL team. Holmgren answered he was contacted by another team, but would not go into any more detail on which team contacted him.

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Very last sentence telling.

I've finally gotten a few minutes to read that thing carefully,,

First comment, the person that transcribed it can't type.. LOL

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Q: Tell us about Cleveland.

A: I did fly back there, last Monday and spent all day Tuesday there. I got in Monday evening, spent Tuesday with Randy Lerner and met lot of the folks in organization. Tuesday afternoon we looked at houses. It was the normal fact-finding and flew back to Arizona Wednesday.

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I've got a little experience relocating people,, the Job is 1... the family situation is 1.5..... pay is 2. He went looking for houses and checked out the area. He's serious. you just don't take the time to do that if you aren't.

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Q: Let's talk about that franchise and start with guy walking the sidelines, Eric Mangini. What is your take on him?

A: It would be unfair to talk too much about that. I like Eric Mangini, good coach, bright guy, works hard at his job and we have to see. Anytime you go in and are responsibility for who that person is, in fairness to everybody, you better give everyone a chance. This is his first year in Cleveland, I supposed there has been situations, Bill Parcells in Miami made a coaching change. Having been a coach for so many years, I'd be the first one to tell you that's not fair. Tough decisions aren't fair. I'd do everything in my power it is the right one

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I know we all read things differently, But I get the sense that if Holmgren is hired, he'll sit down with Mangini, talk through some things.. basically an interview. And if he likes what he hears, he'll keep him. If not, he'll cut bait....

Will that happen his first day here,,, dunno, maybe. But if he plans on hiring a GM, it could take place then..

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In Cleveland, the biggest attraction so far is ownership. Randy Lerner really would like his team — his father bought team and passed away and now Randy has the team — he wants the team to play well and do well for the city. He likes the area. He really is a genuine guy. I've been very, very impressed.

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not the entire Answer, but the part I wanted to refer too.. Kinda says it all doesn't it. this is a good job for someone that likes to build things.. the teams got a great history and a extra solid fan base that is rabid. And a good owner.. In fact, the owner that so many would dismiss is the biggest draw for a guy like Holmgren.. that's if he's to be believed in the radio show today.....

And then there is the whole QB thing. he's seen some of Anderson and thought he had a good game against them awhile back.. He knows that Quinn was a high pick, that he was solid in college.

This got me...

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In Brady's case, he was a high draft pick. You can count the number of games he played, by third year if guy has played and played in one system, you know what you have. He isn't close approaching three years playing even though he's in his third year.

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Here is a proven winner in the NFL.. A guy that knows QB's and Offense. A guy that has been a winner in every level.

And he says that at the end of three years, you can tell what you have in a QB.... IF he's gotten to play enough and Quinn hasn't.

Makes me wonder how so many on here (me included) can arrive at any conclusion in 10 or 12 games.., on Anderson or Quinn...

Oh well, it won't change anything, but I'm convinced we, collectively or individually, don't know nearly as much as we think we do......

It sounds as if Holmgren has been offered his choice of jobs, from coaching..to..the Executive of the football operations with the Browns...any one or all.

I don't like the waiting...seems like I have been waiting on Holmgren to make a decision for a month...

Will you look at that...IT "HAS" BEEN A MONTH...

If Jim Brown was referring to Holmgren when he said "At this moment, right now Randy Lerner is meeting with one of the great football minds in this country,"...it dates back to Nov 17th.

As a Browns fan, I have learned to be patient...and when my patients wears thin, I try to rationalize why I'm waiting.

So here I go again...why am I waiting?...

...Most likely, Holmgren has not made up his mind yet. Maybe Mike is not sure just which job he wants...Head coach...Coach/GM...or exec of football operations.

I was just listening to sports talk Ohio, and someone said that the Browns might not get an answer until after Christmas or shortly after New Years day...

I hope I heard that wrong...I keep telling myself...there is no Browns curse, there is no Browns curse...really, there is no Browns curse..right?...

What can Browns fans do to convince Mike to give Browns fans a Christmas present early? (as in ASAP)...just tell us your coming here...we don't care what job you take...just tell us you and your wife are coming to Cleveland...

...that's all I want for Christmas...there is no curse...got that?...mac

Makes me wonder how so many on here (me included) can arrive at any conclusion in 10 or 12 games.., on Anderson or Quinn...

Not to stray too far off Holmgren, but with this group of offensive players, neither Anderson nor Quinn deserve to be so concluded (though I am officially a well known "see ya DA" type),....I think Big Mike can make this evaluation as well as anybody after getting the right people on board. Even if it leads back to Derek, we NEED to know.

I hope he's packing his bags.

Oh,..."Hi, Kathy !!" Anything you need Maam.

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In Brady's case, he was a high draft pick. You can count the number of games he played, by third year if guy has played and played in one system, you know what you have. He isn't close approaching three years playing even though he's in his third year.

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daman...I wonder if Toad, DJ and some of the other anti-Quinn fans heard that?

They sure as heck didn't believe me when I said the same thing...that Quinn's 3 yrs in the NFL does not = 3 yrs of NFL experience.

Holmgren said that?...."He isn't close approaching three years playing even though he's in his third year"...


I gonna have to save that Holmgren quote...damn this Holmgren guy makes good "football sense", doesn't he?...

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BEREA, Ohio (AP) — As Browns players dressed for practice on Thursday, defensive lineman Corey Williams began chanting, "We want Holmgren! We want Holmgren!"

Their wait continues.

Mike Holmgren left Cleveland on Wednesday without a contract to take over as the Browns' director of football operations. Team spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz said money has not been discussed, despite reports that Holmgren could command upwards of $10 million a year, but that the two sides agreed to talk again in the coming days.

He would not offer specifics of the conversation, or whether the Browns have brought in other candidates.

Before Holmgren can be hired, the Browns would have to interview a minority candidate to comply with the NFL's "Rooney Rule."

"We're aware of the rule," Bonsiewicz said. "So much so that we contacted the league office to make sure we're clear on it."

Browns coach Eric Mangini wants his 2-11 team to focus on Kansas City, Sunday's opponent, but all the buzz about Holmgren has clearly infiltrated the locker room.

"Have they hired a czar yet?" one player asked a group of reporters, poking fun at the title that has been assigned to owner Randy Lerner's search for a "serious, credible leader" to overhaul the Browns again.

A few minutes later, Williams began shouting his unsolicited campaign.

Williams has been vocal about his lack of playing time this season, although injuries have made him one of the most productive players on defense in recent weeks. He had two sacks in the Browns' most recent game, a stunning upset of the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

Williams came to Cleveland from Green Bay, but Holmgren was long gone by the time Williams landed in Wisconsin. Still, Williams heard all the stories about the man who has coached in three Super Bowls and appears to be Cleveland's clear No. 1 target.

"I heard a lot of great things about him," Williams said on Wednesday. "It's a great thing he came in and I hope he gets the job."

The list of available landing spots for the 61-year-old Holmgren was trimmed Thursday when Washington hired Bruce Allen as the team's general manager an hour after Vinny Cerrato resigned as vice president of football operations.

Holmgren is considered a candidate in Seattle, where he is still popular after coaching the Seahawks to a Super Bowl three years ago. Holmgren has previously served as the team's GM and could be a contender to reclaim the role after the resignation of Tim Ruskell earlier this month.


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