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Here is probably all any of us know about the rooney rule

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/638958/an/0/page/0#Post638958


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The article says the Rooney rule doesn't apply, because he is over EVERYTHING, and not just football. They put him over marketing and ticket sales to get out of the Rooney rule. Holmgren in his presser said that he will have final say in football decisions.......it was all a ploy to bypass the Rooney rule, and our lawyer found a loophole..........being a judge I thought you would get that...lol



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From that article you posted...

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In other words, Holmgren may hire a general manager or even a coach, but his day-to-day responsibilities will not involve personnel matters such as the NFL draft or free agency. Instead, he’ll oversee business matters like ticketing and marketing along the lines of Dick Cass with the Baltimore Ravens, Tod Leiweke of the Seattle Seahawks and the Green Bay Packers’ Mark Murphy.






I pulled this from the transcript of the telephone conference with Holmgren from the main site...

"(On who will have final say on the roster) - "I get the final say on everything, which is fun. Now, does that mean I go in and pound the desk and say, ‘We have to do this and this is what we're going to do'? No. The coach is involved big time. The general manager is involved. I am going to be involved. I anticipate a couple other really good football men to be involved. It's always been my experience, with teams that were successful that I was involved with, that it was more of a consensus than one person just saying this is what we're going to do. Now, I'm there to break the ties. If we can't come to a consensus, then I see that as my role. As far as specifics and who sets up the 53-man roster, who makes the cuts, how we go do all that kind of staff, I can get into more detail with you when I get there. That's not one man's decision ever, in any organization I've ever been in."


I think that kind of answers his role in personnel decisions.


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Cool...I understand that.

You don't have to convince me, you need to convince the black caucus of the NFL or whoever is going to watch to see if MH is really a President and not the one picking players and influencing game day decisions.

If it looks like he is, expect to hear some people gripe that we went around the rule and didn't include minority candidates in the interview process.

That is all I am saying.

If we get fined...no skin off my back except I may end up paying more for season tickets, in part due to the fine.

If we lose a first round pick, that isn't just skin off my back, that is a full body road rash.


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You don't have to convince me, you need to convince the black caucus of the NFL or whoever is going to watch to see if MH is really a President and not the one picking players and influencing game day decisions.

If it looks like he is, expect to hear some people gripe that we went around the rule and didn't include minority candidates in the interview process.

That is all I am saying.





Here's the thing, He has the final say over everything by virtue of being the President. I believe it's a given that the President of the team has all the right in the world to participate in personnel decisions just as he has all the right in the world to participate in everything Browns related just below the owner.

That said, I don't believe we ran afoul of the Rooney Rule as the President is exempt from that rule. Exempt, and by job description, has the final say on everything. So I don't believe he is over stepping his bounds by being involved in personnel decisions.

I doubt very much that the rule states that the President of the organization cannot, by rule, have anything to do with any of the football decisions such as any GM-type decisions or Head Coach-type decisions. Just having the power to hire and fire the GM and Head Coach automatically gives him final say over their decisions.

Example: If he doesn't like the GM's personnel decisons on the 53 man roster he can fire the GM...but Whoops!... that means he's become involved in personnel decisions! No, I don't think it works that way at all. I believe he can have his fingers in everything related to the organization and the team and the personnel and the guy who washes the uniforms and is not in violation of the Rooney Rule by definition of the role of President.

Now, all that being said, just because I believe it doesn't make it true. I just think that whomever wrote that initial article that states he will only be responsible for and permitted to make executive/business decisions only and must stay away from involvement in the football side was misinformed as it doesn't make any sense given the definition and role of team President.


And 'peen, I'm not arguing with you as you full well know that I don't actually know any more about this than anyone. I'm just making my deductions by way of common sense regardless of what someone has said in an article. The article's take on the matter and Holmgren's statements regarding his role are very different. If the article is right, then Holmgren has already misspoke with an uncharacteristically big mouth and has already stupidly set himself up for big time trouble. I don't think he's do or has done that.


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peen, i think the loophole is pretty obvious....

MH has control of everything....but as far as complying with the rooney rule...its simple....

he hires a GM...this guy will have final say over the roster....

then you will have the coach who will also contribute...

MH will have an opinion...and his opinion will carry tons of weight, because if he doesn't like how the GM is picking players he can fire him and get a new one....the same with the coach

they will both be working for him...therefore his "opinion" will carry plenty of weight....

He will pick a GM that thinks like he does....so his choices...his views will make there mark...


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That said, I don't believe we ran afoul of the Rooney Rule as the President is exempt from that rule.




From the above link posted by damanshot

This policy specifically requires clubs to interview at least one minority candidate as part of the hiring process for a club's senior football operations position, whether described as general manager, executive vice president of football operations, or otherwise.

I think the position of President would be encompassed by the phrase "or otherwise". So I don't think this is a loophole we used. Perhaps we interviewed Nance or Dawn Aponte for the position.


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The NFL said we didn't break the rule, why is this conversation still happening?


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The NFL said we didn't break the rule, why is this conversation still happening?




Gonna be plenty to talk about in the upcoming week.

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jc....can't believe this article hasn't been posted:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/DMN-Man-of-the-Year-is-Bob-LaMonte.html

DMN: Man of the Year is Bob LaMonte

With a long client list of coaches, this agent holds all the cards. Michael Lombardi

At the end of each year, Time magazine always has a cover with its Person of the Year, someone who has made an impact in the current year or is likely to influence the next year. Here at the Diner, we’d like to offer our version of the Man of the Year, a person who, in the next several weeks/months, will quietly control the league landscape but will not be recognized by fans for his importance or the power he wields.

Bob LaMonte, owner of Professional Sports Representation, is our Man of the Year. LaMonte has many head coaches and assistant coaches in the NFL who will put him in control in the coming weeks. One of his major clients, Mike Holmgren, is now firmly in command of the Cleveland Browns, so LaMonte and his large client list ranging from assistants to personnel men will help restock the Browns on and off the field.

When Browns owner Randy Lerner gave Holmgren a five-year contract for a reported $50 million, he essentially paid LaMonte to own his team. They might be called the Cleveland Browns on the field, but the Cleveland “LaMontes” might be their real name. No one will gain or maintain employment with the Browns unless they come with the blessing and representation of LaMonte.

Besides his takeover of the Browns, LaMonte’s ability to secure the single worst deal in the history of contracts for Charlie Weis at Notre Dame is reason alone to be named Man of the Year. LaMonte created the illusion that Weis was wanted back in the league, then secured a huge deal for him without giving Notre Dame an offset, which made the deal ridiculous. Weis will actually be paid more and longer from Notre Dame than new head coach Brian Kelly. Kevin White, the Notre Dame athletic director at the time, was taken to the woodshed for this contract, and it’s a good thing he’s not in South Bend any longer because he would never hear the end of it. It’s one thing to get caught overpaying, it’s another to make fundamental mistakes like the offset clause, which is universal in all deals. Once again, Bob LaMonte was quietly in control.

LaMonte also secured an extension for Vikings coach Brad Childress before the end of the year, which amazed me because you would have thought the Vikings would want to wait until they see the results at the end of the season considering a deal. It wasn’t like they were in danger of losing Chilly — what NFL team would come after him? Please, that’s an easy one to answer. But LaMonte still got the Vikings to negotiate, and now they’ll be left with Childress long after Brett Favre is gone. I wonder how that will work out. Amazing, right? Not even hard-core Vikings fans are happy with the Childress extension. Imagine how they’ll feel if he doesn’t win the Super Bowl.

LaMonte’s ability to sell his clients is legendary, but what amazes me is that he can keep doing his sales pitch when everyone in the NFL knows it’s coming. He makes sure his clients have the perfect notebooks, the perfect practice schedules and give the perfect presentations, all of which dazzle NFL front-office types who essentially don’t know what to ask or what to look for in an interview.

He also can sell his clients to the media, and LaMonte understands better than most that many NFL jobs are not selected; rather, they’re elected. Having talent doesn’t always mean you get the job — the key is having the right marketing and branding. Talent is meaningless when you walk into an interview with a huge reputation for being smart. The ability to get the job lies in the branding of the reputation. For example, someone once asked me, “If this guy is so smart, give me three examples of things that make him smart?” The reputation for being smart is really what matters -- the fact that you are smart is not really significant. Not many ask for examples; they just accept the reputation. LaMonte is the master of creating the reputation.

He is also the master of re-creating a reputation, as he’s doing with Randy Mueller of the Chargers. Mueller is now in line for two general manager jobs — Seattle and Cleveland -- after he failed to produce in Miami, where he had the power. He can blame Nick Saban for some of the failures with the Dolphins, but after Saban left, Mueller proceed to draft Ted Ginn ninth overall and John Beck as his quarterback of the future in the second round. Now, Mueller has another chance with two teams — all because LaMonte has been able to repackage and rebrand.

LaMonte is a force in the NFL right now. He has the power and the control, but most of all, he has the ability to create illusions that can sell his clients. He would make Alec Baldwin’s character in the movie “Glengarry Glen Ross” proud — he’s always closing.

LaMonte deserves our award. He’s a power broker who will greatly influence the NFL in 2010.

In the meantime, Happy New Year. Be safe and be back here Monday for more NFL news — which I’m sure Bob LaMonte will be making.


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When Browns owner Randy Lerner gave Holmgren a five-year contract for a reported $50 million, he essentially paid LaMonte to own his team. They might be called the Cleveland Browns on the field, but the Cleveland “LaMontes” might be their real name. No one will gain or maintain employment with the Browns unless they come with the blessing and representation of LaMonte.




talk about overreaching The rest of the article pretty much over reached as well... Lots of assumptions, not much else... This reporter assumes that every NFL Owner is an idiot and can't see it coming...

But thanks for the read... it was interesting.


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Mueller proceed to draft Ted Ginn ninth overall and John Beck as his quarterback of the future in the second round. Now, Mueller has another chance with two teams — all because LaMonte has been able to repackage and rebrand.





That part scares me combined with the part that he is in the running for Cleveland GM.

I laughed for an hour when the Phins' drafted Ginn that high. ( i had a miami fan friend over for the draft).

but I also would have taken Quinn if I were Miami, so who know if it was really a bonehead move or not yet. But Quinn or no Quinn, IF memory serves there were still some nicer looking options at 9.


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Marshawn Lynch went 12th
Darrelle Revis went 14th
Dwayne Bowe went 23rd
Robert Meachem went 27th
Anthony Gonzalez went 32nd

just to toss out a few...


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I should have said "more athletic" lineman that move well in space, because MH actually doesn't run a zone scheme. What he doesn't want is the lard asses who can't move in space. The guys you mentioned are very athletic, and can pull as good as anybody in this league.

Once more it seems the Browns try to fit square pegs in round holes..they got one side of the line right but fail to build the other side to compliment it.
Instead of bringing an a athletic OT/OG they tried for how long to make a plodder fit over there..at least Womack moves better than St.Turnstile at OT.

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