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Glazer: Holmgren set to meet with Eagles GM tonight Jay Glazer Senior NFL Writer Jay Glazer is one of the NFL's top insiders. He provides breaking news, columns and video content to FOXSports.com, and he also appears on TV every week as part of the FOX NFL Sunday team. PRINT EMAIL RSS ADD THIS 0 comments » Updated Jan 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT While Browns fans are patiently waiting to learn the direction Mike Holmgren will decide to go for their head coach for 2010, the team's new football czar is also taking steps to line up prospective general manager candidates. Philadelphia Eagles general manager Tom Heckert is slated to be in Cleveland Tuesday night to meet with Holmgren regarding the vacant GM position, FOXSports.com has learned. Heckert was also coveted for the same post by the Browns years ago before they hired Phil Savage, but at the time Heckert elected to stay in Philadelphia. Savage lasted in Cleveland until the end of the 2008 season, then was replaced by first-year GM George Kokinis — was was fired in early November. Other candidates for the position are rumored to be Packers Director of Football Operations John Schneider, former Saints/Dolphins GM Randy Mueller and Titans Director of Pro Scouting Lake Dawson among others. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/glazer:-holmgren-set-to-meet-with-eagles-gm-010510
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I thought that we had to wait to interview candidates until their team's season has completed. Also, I thought it had to be a promotion - this is a parallel move, why would Philly allow it?
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I thought that we had to wait to interview candidates until their team's season has completed. Also, I thought it had to be a promotion - this is a parallel move, why would Philly allow it?
Philly granted him permission to interview.
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I thought that we had to wait to interview candidates until their team's season has completed. Also, I thought it had to be a promotion - this is a parallel move, why would Philly allow it?
There is a window of opportunity to interview,, this may be it. As for title, couldn't they just put VP/GM as his title making it a promotion... Dunno, just guessing..
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I'm guessing if Heckert were to come to the Browns, the move would be a promotion, too (GM and executive VP, or something like that).
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To not grant an interview for a canidate is sort of breaking an unwritten rule. Akin to picking up drafted players released so that an injury settlement can be reached...(Don Carey)...
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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 5, 2010 3:21 PM ET Mike Holmgren's introductory press conference doesn't start for an hour, but he's already started serious work in Cleveland.
Eagles G.M. Tom Heckert is in Cleveland Tuesday to interview for Cleveland's G.M. position, according to Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network, Jay Glazer of Fox, and Adam Schefter of ESPN. (We don't know who had it first, and don't need to.)
The news shouldn't be a surprise. Heckert and Holmgren share an agent, Bob LaMonte, who likes to pair his clients. Heckert has worked in the Andy Reid branch of the Holmgren tree for the last eight seasons and knows the West Coast offense.
It's also not a shocker that Heckert is looking to move on. He has interviewed for G.M. positions in the past and Eagles vice president of player personnel Howie Roseman has built more influence in Philadelphia. He's the logical replacement for Heckert.
If Heckert does get the job in Cleveland, it's harder than ever to imagine Eric Mangini sticking as coach. West Coast offense czar + West Coast offense G.M. would not seem to equal Mangini, winning streak or not.
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I want John Schneider for what it's worth....Packers are loaded are will win a SB in next 3 years
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I thought that we had to wait to interview candidates until their team's season has completed. Also, I thought it had to be a promotion - this is a parallel move, why would Philly allow it?
It's not a lateral move persay. He doesn't have final say over the roster, Andy Reid does.
And isn't Heckert the guy who said he wouldn't come here if Mangini was hired and then withdrew his name after Mangini was hired?
And also why is everyone so convinced that we will be running a west coast offense because Mike Holmgren used to run it? I never seen Bill Parcells run a wild cat offense. Holmgren isn't the coach so if he was going to bring in new coaches wouldn't you think he would want the best coaches available regardless of the scheme and brign in players to fit whatever they run?
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Yes, he was scheduled to interview and the Day that mangini was hired he with drew his interest.
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Unfortunately for Eric Mangini, Heckert’s refusal to interview last year following the head coach’s hiring coupled with his connections to other potential head coaching candidates does not appear to bode well for a second year with the team. Whether a possible replacement would be Davis or a coach of Holmgren’s choosing, Heckert’s flat out reluctance to even interview for a job that would work along side Mangini speaks volumes.
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This is exciting news. Heckert has worked closely with Andy Reid. It seems like Reid and Holmgren will work similarly. Heckert seems like a good fit.
If Heckert is hired expect to hear a lot of rumors about coaches going to Cleveland. Charlie Weis, Leslie Frazier, Gil Haskell, Mike Martz, Al Saunders, and Marty Mornhinwheg are all Bob LaMonte clients (Holmgren and Heckert's agent.)
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j/c Thanks all. FYI, his current title in Philly is GM/VP of Player Personnel...regardless, it sounds like it may be a promotion if he gets the final roster in his hands, and if Philly ok'd the interview, I guess it doesn't matter. Also, interesting little read: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/Heckert_1.html
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Hey..............PETE..............Think there's a chance we're not going to the WCO now?
It's a foregone conclusion.
If Heckert comes, Morningwheg becomes the favorite as HC.
Now to do my best conspiracy theory work.............
Heckert wanted no part of Mangini. Holmgren wants Heckert. Why make a decision on Mangini right now when that could effect the decision of Heckert?
GM is going to be more important for Holmgren than HC, so pushing Mangini to the back-burner could make sense.
The more I look at all this, the more I think Mangini isn't going to be retained based on his coaching ability, but rather on convenience of situation.
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Sweet. Maybe Marty will elect to kickoff after winning the coin toss in overtime for us too.
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I think the west coast offense right now can be considered an assumption more than anything.
I'm not saying we won't run a west coast but like I added a few posts earlier, I never seen BillParcells run a wild cat. I think we should be looking to hire the best offensive minds regardless of what scheme they run, Holmgren isn't coaching and to me that would be a mistake to try and install an offense just because you used to run it.
Now if he's comfortable with installing that offense and is able to bring in great coaches to run it then i'm fine with it. I just don't want to run it because he used to run it if ya know what I mean.
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Interesting ,my post got got deleted..anyway this is going to be good..
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Unfortunately for Eric Mangini, Heckert’s refusal to interview last year following the head coach’s hiring coupled with his connections to other potential head coaching candidates does not appear to bode well for a second year with the team. Whether a possible replacement would be Davis or a coach of Holmgren’s choosing, Heckert’s flat out reluctance to even interview for a job that would work along side Mangini speaks volumes.
Why did he refuse, was it because he wanted to hire his own coach, or because he just hates mangini. He and Mangini don't have any connection, do they?
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It's a lock. 
If we're not running the WCO next year, I'll change my name to CoachB II.
Holmgren all-but-said he's going to run the WCO. Paraphrasing, he said he's going to bring an offensive scheme here that he's familiar with.
That doesn't leave much to the imagination when you combine that with the fact he's just brought in a WCO GM......
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Sweet. Maybe Marty will elect to kickoff after winning the coin toss in overtime for us too.
Ha ha ha....if he does that again here, should he be hired, the fans will want him packing his bags with an hour.
Seriously......Marty Mornhinweg? Ugh.... 
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I would jump up and down if we got Heckert. That would be sweet. I still don't want Mornhiweg though.
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I would jump up and down if we got Heckert. That would be sweet. I still don't want Mornhiweg though.
Agree on both.
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I think he got a bad rap as a st time HC under freakin' the Fords and Matt Millen.
People don't know that he's the first guy Andy Reid has turned over the offensive play-calling to, and the Eagles have never been better offensively.
I think most agree that Mooch was a good coach, but he looked bad because he was in Detroit. Same goes for Marty. He's older, wiser, and smarter, and learned a ton of lessons. I like him as a potential HC.
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I'd prefer an inexperienced guy to be honest. I can't think of any names off the top of my head though. Maybe someone like Leslie Frazier, though that would mean the end of the 3-4. Brian Shanahan runs the west coast as well.
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Holmgren all-but-said he's going to run the WCO. Paraphrasing, he said he's going to bring an offensive scheme here that he's familiar with.
Well if that the case and he is comfortable in that descision then i'm comfortable with it. I just hope it works out.
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Me too.
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Heckert ends GM candidacy, Browns may talk with ex-Broncos GM Sundquist
By Jamie Turner January 08, 2009, 8:00PM
Eagles General Manager Tom Heckert has taken himself out of the running for the Browns GM vacancy and the team might interview former Broncos GM Ted Sundquist, a league source told The Plain Dealer Thursday. Heckert, who was scheduled to interview on Friday, pulled his name because he wanted to have a say in hiring the head coach. The Browns are planning to touch bases with Heckert again on Friday, but he won't change his mind, the source said.
Heckert agreed to interview with the Browns before they hired Eric Mangini on Wednesday night. If Heckert had been interviewed, he probably would've pushed for Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who interviewed with the Browns last Thursday.
The Browns will interview Ravens director of pro personnel George Kokinas on Sunday, but are prepared to reach out to other candidates, including Sundquist, who spent six seasons as Broncos GM before being fired in March.
Kokinis, who is Mangini's first choice, is the front-runner, but the Browns are keeping their options open.
The new GM has to be able to work well with the new coach, but Mangini has identified other candidates besides Kokinis. Another name that could appear on the radar screen is Colts Vice President of Football Operations Chris Polian, son of team president Bill Polian.
The Browns feel they landed their key man in Mangini and can now take their time in finding the right GM. They still have a fallback option in current Browns director of pro personnel T.J. McCreight, who interviewed for the job last week. They haven't decided whether or not he'll remain with the team.
Sundquist spent 16 years with the Broncos and was pursued by several other teams before being named Broncos GM in 2002. He's widely respected for his player-acquisition and negotiating skills.
Mangini made clear his respect for his good friend Kokinis Thursday.
"He's an outstanding person, he's impressive and he's got tremendous substance," said Mangini. "That being said, what ultimately is important is to get the very best people we can get in here to fill each of the roles. We're going to go through that process and meet different candidates."
He said who has final say on the roster isn't as important as the coach and GM reaching a consensus every day.
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I'd prefer an inexperienced guy to be honest. I can't think of any names off the top of my head though. Maybe someone like Leslie Frazier, though that would mean the end of the 3-4. Brian Shanahan runs the west coast as well.
With you on Heckert.
LOVE Kyle Shanahan. Think he's a McDaniels-like wunderkind, and there's a chance he'd retain the 3-4 and Rob Ryan since he'd need a strong coordinator on the defensive side of the ball.
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Damnit Mac, you're gonna scare people that way if you don't highlight the date.
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Well if that the case and he is comfortable in that descision then i'm comfortable with it. I just hope it works out.
Only makes sense, in that that way, he can better pick/draft the kids he wants playing it.
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Leslie Fraizer is a definite possibility (same agent as Holmgren.)
If we hire Heckert I see the head coaching candidates in this order:
1. Mornhinwheg 2. Frazier 3. Mariucci
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According to your link, it's GM Only...
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Noticed the absence of any overlap with Gruden,....
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and,...why then, are the Eagles agreeing to this ?
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Damnit Mac, you're gonna scare people that way if you don't highlight the date.
I second that sentiment. I had to re-read it twice.
In regards to the WCO - why can't we incorporate WCO principals into the existing system and create a new never before seen totally explosive offense? (note: the totally explosive part is contingent on improving the QB position)
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That Eagles link says he was Browns fan growing up after 7th grade and would be a bass fishermen if not in football....Sounds like an all right guy to me.
However, him refusing the job last year and then this year accepting the interview doesn't bode well for Eric Mangini. I think as toad does this has less to do with his coaching but more with Mike Holmgren's personal preferences. If Heckert is hired the chance of keeping Mangini drops to less than 5% IMO.
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