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funny how $5 million a year and total power does that... 
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put it another way, with the play of harrison in that 4 game win streak, if he came out and opined about his contract, saying he saved jobs, and saying an offer was insulting, he'd be pretty hated right now but even he would have more of a case as his contract is up or almost up vs cribbs with 3 years left.
Apples to Oranges, completely different situations.
Harrison wasn't promised a new contract last year.
Harrison hasn't out performed his contract for two straight years.
Harrison isn't the greatest all time at his position.
Harrison hasn't proven his worth for four straight years in every game.
The bottom line is that Cribbs was screwed, first by his original Agent (Cribbs' Fault) second by Savage and/or Lerner (not his fault) and third by Mangini/Holmgren (not his fault). He has done Everything asked of him. Everything.
He is the best player on this crappy team, or at least top five.
He beat the Steelers pretty much by himself. In fact, he's owned the Steelers for three years.
He has produced more as a special teamer than any other special teamer ever.
He saved Mangini's job.
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He saved Mangini's job.
Hardly.  If you believe that, I feel very sad for you.
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Bottom line:
The man has earned his money 100 times more than any rookie that we're going to take in April that will receive 10 times more money.
It's a safe bet that the man has earned the money more than any free agent vet that we sign in the first week of March.
I can understand them being leery of setting the precedent of redoing contracts with a lot of time left, but if I was them I'd be happy to re-do a bunch of contracts for people outplaying them to the degree he is, because it'd mean that we've been kicking some seriously major butt.
Pay.The.Man.
Tear up the current contract, give him a fat signing bonus ($14M or so) up front and $2-3M per year for 6 years.
Toss in some escalators for KR, WR, RB stats & Pro Bowl berths... and wrap up the most dynamic player on our team, and arguably the league.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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He saved Mangini's job.
Hardly. If you believe that, I feel very sad for you.
Don't feel sad. Even if I beleive that and it's wrong, I'm right about everything else.
Do you think if we didn't have Cribbs against the Steelers, we win? do you think without Cribbs we win the last four? Do you think Mangini stays with a 1-15 or 3-13 record?
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The rest of his post was spot on.
And to some degree he probably did save Mangini's job. It wasn't all on him, but wins were what saved Mangini's job, and Cribbs contributed heavily to those wins.
Do you feel sad for me for feeling that way?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Wins probably saved Mangini, I agree. How we got them was with a TEAM. Yes, Josh had a lot to do with a couple wins, but he wasn't the SOLE reason we won. He contributed to saving Mangini's job. Period.
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Bottom line:
The man has earned his money 100 times more than any rookie that we're going to take in April that will receive 10 times more money.
It's a safe bet that the man has earned the money more than any free agent vet that we sign in the first week of March.
I can understand them being leery of setting the precedent of redoing contracts with a lot of time left, but if I was them I'd be happy to re-do a bunch of contracts for people outplaying them to the degree he is, because it'd mean that we've been kicking some seriously major butt.
Pay.The.Man.
Tear up the current contract, give him a fat signing bonus ($14M or so) up front and $2-3M per year for 6 years.
Toss in some escalators for KR, WR, RB stats & Pro Bowl berths... and wrap up the most dynamic player on our team, and arguably the league.
Couldn't agree more.
I'm amazed that this isn't the overriding feeling on this board.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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funny how $5 million a year and total power does that...
Not to nitpick, but it's actually $10 million yearly.
Cribbs will get paid, but even if he isn't, he won't be going anywhere until his contract is up.
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you know, i was typing that and thought it sounded really low but i couldn't think of another number. even more to prove the point 
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Us saying he is only a ST player is really just putting it into perspective. Not saying "don't pay the man" just saying "pay the man accordingly"
I'm kind of on the fence on this but I do want Cribbs with the Browns for a long time...
But if you go back to the beginning of 2007, and you look at our wins, you will see one constant in almost every one of them, Cibbs contributed considerably. The QBs have been up and down, the defense has been up and down, the running game and passing games have been up and down, but Cribbs is always there. Cribbs has taken more Ls and turned them into Ws and more BIG Ls and turned them into respectable Ls than any other single player on this team.. No, he didn't do it all by himself but from the standpoint of consistency in his contribution and performing his job at a very high level all the time, he has been the best player on this team for 3 consecutive years.... with the lone possible exception of Joe Thomas but JT never touches the ball so his contribution is a little harder to measure.
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well first of all, mangini/holmgren didn't screw him. they offered him a new contract. one that's more than double his old one. as to the savage/lerner thing, i don't think lerner ever acknowledged that so that's one-sided.
you're also saying that cribbs outperformed his contract two years in a row. no he didn't. he performed commensurate with his pay for one year and this year, he outperformed his contract.
anyways, you're really missing my main point, the point is, because it's cribbs, the fandom/city favorite angle plays into this unnecessarily. if you objectively look at this, even if he's the best ever special teams player, that's still what he is. has he produced on offense for us? yes he has. will he continue that production or will we rely on him for that production as the offense gets better? probably not.
this is a matter of greed by cribbs and his agent, most likely because of unreasonable expectations. initial offering starting at $2.5 mill? per ochocinco, "child please."
just think about it, if you are outperforming your pay and your employer acknowledges it after checking with the CEO that joined the company 3 days ago, and offers you DOUBLE your salary extremely early (say 6 months before the annual review before anyone else could get more money) are you going to go to others and say you're insulted and throw a hissy fit? no. this whole thing stinks and i won't go for it, regardless of who the player is. even if he's the "mvp" because, at the end of the day, he's one of 53.
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But if you go back to the beginning of 2007, and you look at our wins, you will see one constant in almost every one of them, Cibbs contributed considerably. The QBs have been up and down, the defense has been up and down, the running game and passing games have been up and down, but Cribbs is always there. Cribbs has taken more Ls and turned them into Ws and more BIG Ls and turned them into respectable Ls than any other single player on this team.. No, he didn't do it all by himself but from the standpoint of consistency in his contribution and performing his job at a very high level all the time, he has been the best player on this team for 3 consecutive years.... with the lone possible exception of Joe Thomas but JT never touches the ball so his contribution is a little harder to measure.
I agree with all of this...and I say PAY THE MAN.
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even if he's the "mvp" because, at the end of the day, he's one of 53.
The top 48 salaries are what count against the cap. Last year's cap was ~$120 mil. 120mil 48 ways is $2.5 million.
So even if his value is considered no more nor less than any other player on the team (which is patently false), his "fair share" in this argument is $2.5 mil.
Any questions?
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The top 48 salaries are what count against the cap.
is this true? never heard of this but if it is, i learned something today.
BUT, since when is the cap split 48 ways evenly? and since when did that hold any real value?
in all seriousness, let's just put this in perspective.
desean jackson: 7/20/2008: Signed a four-year, $3.058 million contract. The deal included a $1.353 million signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4659
cribbs: after signing as an undrafted in 05, signed a 6 year agreement the next year:
11/3/2006: Signed a six-year, $6.77 million contract extension through 2012. The deal included a $2 million signing bonus. Another $400,000 is available through yearly incentives. He can also earn $25,000 workout bonuses in each year. 2009: $620,000, 2010: $635,000, 2011: $650,000, 2012: $790,000, 2013: Free Agent
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3469
who really outperformed their contract?
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Yes, it is true. Only the top 48 count. Quote:
who really outperformed their contract?
Umm... why would you present that in a manner as if only one may have outperformed their contract?
Quite obviously, both of them have.... now, what the heck does that have to do with anything?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Let me first preface this by saying I'm a big Cribbs fan, so I might be a little biased...
I can't believe some of the crap I've read in this thread questioning Cribbs' character. Some people think Cribbs was acting in his interviews to make himself look good? Really? You think he's greedy? You think he wants this attention?
How many of you remember the story of Cribbs walking with a former coach's son on parent night at a HS game because the boy's father had passed away? He purposely tried to hide it from the media. But yeah, it's all a front to make himself look good.../sarcasm
Remember when Josh got knocked out at the end of the Ravens game? He could have easily said, "Well, we're not going anywhere this season. Might as well shut it down and make sure I don't get hurt worse this year and ruin my contract negotiations." Instead, he's out there the next week, and ends the season with the best 4-game streak of his career. Sounds real greedy to me...
If anyone in the history of football has earned a raise, it's Cribbs. People don't realize that he could be one paralyzing hit away from losing everything...especially the way he plays. Just think if that Ravens hit left him unable to walk. Do you think the Browns would think twice about cutting him? How fair is that?
And for you people upset by Josh saying he saved the coaches jobs...good job taking things out of context. He never said anything about "single-handedly." Here's the actual quote: "I'd like to think that some of my play over those last four games helped those guys keep their jobs, including my two kickoff returns for touchdowns against Kansas City. I wonder how many jobs would've been lost if I hadn't laid it on the line for them every single week?'' I see nothing wrong with that. If he would have shut it down after his injury instead of "laying it on the line," the season could (and probably would) have turned out much differently.
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the point, though admittedly weaker than my points, is that he's making more than a 2nd rounder who is as good a return man as cribbs and a significantly better wr than cribbs. when i compound that with all the points raised before, my ultimate point is simply that he deserves money but is losing support for how he's going about this and for his expectations. bear with me, it's friday and i've been thinking too much 
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