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So what..I forgot to add my ( ) around my comment..U just a Gata luver ..thats all..



You seem to have forgotten the parts that talked about leader, runner, tough as nails, strong arm, makes all the throws...


Haven't forgotten anything..it's not swaying me.. I know his completion % is 66.7..well big friggin deal..I can pluck quite a few QB's out there if all I wanted was high percentages..there are a lot of QB's in that range..but the thing is whether U want to face it or not..he 's going to have tighter windows to throw into..U know just like those same tight windows Quinn was picked apart for not being able to do..that windup he has didn't hurt him much in the college game,but it'll either get him sacked a ton of times or a bunch of incompletions....


.......Scott Wright doesn't know WTF he is talking about, thus you don't either.





Thats cause I'm ragging on yer boy..that ole Gata blood is boiling right now..

Daman there have been plenty of QB's who appeared to have the it factor in college only to get to the pros and bomb..implode...fade away..said it two years ago..I'm not gaga over him like everyone is .
Lets see from my own eyes...I said he has a long release..and release point isn't constrained..those sideline routes will get ate up... 4 years at UF his OC and QBs coach never worked on his feet. Footwork is bad..

Little experience in pro sets, working under center and dropping into a pocket with 3/5 and 7 step drops. The spread option offense while allowing him to become a great college player has not served him well as far as preparing him for a pro style offense.
If he's drafted and is kept at QB..It'll take him several years before he can run a pro offense..

Geez man,, when are you gonna get it,, I don't care about his release.. you harp on that as if it's the only thing that matters.. it isn't..

Kosar had a horrible stance, he was not mobile, he threw sidearm and looked silly doing it, he looked awful... If we applied your logic to him, he shouldn't have ever gotten a chance in the NFL..

Go listen to the videos.. I'm not talking about mechanics, I'm talking about being a winner.. Tebow is a winner..... So was Kosar..

I get it..I get you're victimized by his being a winner...go on start beating your head up against a wall..

"Attack,Tebow is a winner!!!..U gotta go with that!"

Grab a clue on your way out..I didn't say Tebow won't get a chance..I said he is a project and a project I don't want..and one more time..I don't need to listen to a video..I already know all I need to know about him..my eyes already told me about him..
Now if he can retool his mechanics(which I hear he is already training to do)..and he succeeds later on..thats fine for the team that drafts him..but it won't be here. Overrated by fans.....too much hype..

Nice, You took what I meant and twisted it to fit your needs..

You need a mirror....

Oh brother U gettin' all serious now..here's some Kleenex...

Not that AD needs a defense, but... this guy was a "winner" too. not Kosar

Yes, in college he was.. no question about it..

And just because someone is a wiinner at one level certainly doesn't guarantee success going forward..

but you know what, because a guy has a hitch in his game, it doesn't mean he's going to fail either.. if you read AD,, Tebow will NOT be a good NFL QB..

Just like I can't guarantee he will be a success, AD can't guarantee he won't be..

J/C

Tebow is a winner and a VERY VERY intelligent football player.

He will succeed and by the time he plays in the senior bowl and the combines....the NFL will know as well and his position he is picked will show that.

Does that meen anything? Nope!

and i have seen enough Tebow games as well Attack.

Its all just oppinions......

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And just because someone is a wiinner at one level certainly doesn't guarantee success going forward..

but you know what, because a guy has a hitch in his game, it doesn't mean he's going to fail either

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You got the point, maybe attack did too.

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You got the point, maybe attack did too.

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Oh Absolutely.. You just never know., It's been said about a million times, the draft is a crap shoot.. no way to know for sure..

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Slow release turns into lots of sacks.

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And a LOT of forced fumbles and passes blocked... And a hurried release turns into a lot of INTs.

He may very well end up having a good career in the NFL, but the odds are definitely stacked against him.

P and Purp,, I get it,, I understand the thought..

But I still feel he's capable of winning... Not to say I won't be proven wrong,,,

No question about that.. same risk the other way also.. someone takes him high,, the risk is great the other way

Taking Elbow high is a risk for any team thats needs a QB now..a team that is loaded(playoff team) and just wants to roll the dice can certainly take the chance...and develop him properly..if he can be developed enough.

Maybe Ahack Dawg...... and maybe not....

The only person I know who had a ton of wins under his belt, even more than Peyton Manning in NCAA, was David Greene of UGA. He held the record until recent Colt McCoy topped him.

Most of you will say who?? and I will say exactly. The guy got wins, but for whatever reason was not drafted high (3rd round in 2005), and now is retired out of the league since 2008. He never played a regular season game. Why? Not to mention he was drafted by Mike Holmgreen, so his expertise on QB's is questionable already seeing that Greene never got a shot, even with Hasselbachs injuries.

Wins do mean something. It means you can play a full 60 min game and not lose your head... But mechanics, accuracy, footwork, all go hand in hand in the NFL.

Tebow in my eyes is an exception though. David Greene was not as athletic as Tebow. Tebow can change the NFL in how defenses prepare week to week.

Tebow can change the NFL in how defenses prepare week to week.




Yeah..now those opposing DB's will be jumping his out/sideline routes like never before..and they'll have plenty of time to get there..

maybe..

but a good pump fake will have the WR open for a good chance to score.

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The only person I know who had a ton of wins under his belt, even more than Peyton Manning in NCAA, was David Greene of UGA. He held the record until recent Colt McCoy topped him.

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David Greene might have gotten more wins. But Ken Dorsey went 38-2 at Univ of Miami. Someone already mentioned his name, but I have a tough time believing that Greene only lost 2 games in his career at UGA. He was just lucky enough to start for four years.

So Dorsey is a bigger winner than Greene, lol.

Anyway, point taken. College and Pro is definitely different, and while being a winner is definitely not a bad thing, it's not that strong of an indicator toward later success in the NFL.

LOL You are right, the first thing that came to mind is,, who's David Greene

But then you look at guys that appeared to be "can't miss" QB's like Dave Klingler, Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf,,, All supposed to be solid guys that most agreed, would make it in the NFL and would achieve some degree of success...

NOPE....

What I'm saying is, it can and has gone both ways.... No guarantees.. and it isn't always the player.. Some would say that Couch might have succeeded with a team that had a starter and could take time to groom him.. Myself, I have no idea if that's true, but I don't know it isn't either.... But I do know it's possible..

Updated: January 20, 2010, 4:40 PM ET
Tebow ready to show off QB skills
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GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Tim Tebow's NFL potential has been debated for years.

His throwing motion, arm strength and pocket presence have been dissected, examined and critiqued. His determination, leadership skills and work ethic have been commended, lauded and revered.

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Some have little doubt he will be a star quarterback in the pros. Others believe he would be better suited at tight end or H-back.

The former Gators standout has made his intentions clear. Next week, at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., he gets a chance to prove to NFL scouts, coaches and general managers that he can play the game's most prominent position at its highest level.

"I've heard it once or twice," Tebow said recently, when asked about people questioning his NFL prospects. "I'm excited about it. I've heard a lot of it. Kind of heard that since high school, though. People didn't think I could throw at Florida, and we did OK at that.

"And going to the next level, just try to prove people wrong. That's my goal. It's fun. It'll be exciting. I just want an opportunity to be a quarterback at the next level and to get that chance."

Tebow may have silenced some critics with his performance in the Sugar Bowl earlier this month. The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner completed 31 of 35 passes for a school-record 482 yards and three touchdowns in a 51-24 victory that was considerably more lopsided than the final score.

He also ran for 51 yards and a score, and finished with more yards (533) than anyone in the history of the Bowl Championship Series.

After the game, Tebow declined to speculate on what the best passing game of his career might do for his NFL draft stock. But before Tebow completed his thoughts, Florida coach Urban Meyer chimed in.

"I'll help you answer that question," Meyer said. "Thirty-one of 35, 482 yards, three touchdowns, one of the most efficient quarterbacks ever to play the game, a part of two national championships. He's a winner, and unless the job description changes at some other level of football, he's a winner and he'll win at the next level, too. That's the way I feel about it."

Tebow left Florida with several NCAA passing records, even more Southeastern Conference marks and his name all over the school record book.

His college football legacy is secure. But that has done little to solidify his NFL future. Scouts can rattle off concerns regarding the 6-foot-3, 245-pound Tebow: He has taken just about every snap from shotgun formation, has a long windup, throws sort of sidearm, has average arm strength and holds the ball too long at times.

Some believe Tebow will be the latest in long list of star college quarterbacks who failed to have the same impact in the NFL, joining guys like Nebraska's Eric Crouch, Miami's Ken Dorsey and Florida's Danny Wuerffel.

Others insist Tebow will be different, saying his athleticism and willingness to do whatever it takes to find success will transcend talent.

"I'll be surprised if workouts and all-star games change teams' opinions on Tebow," ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said. "I think the one thing that will help the most for him is sitting down in those interview rooms. Remember, all it takes is one team and one decision-maker to fall in love with him to take him a half-round or maybe a full round ahead of where he should go.

"I think there will be plenty of teams that will look at it and say if he's still on the board at pick 35 or 40 or 45 -- wherever that is -- they'll go ahead and take him. He'll probably be overdrafted for what you're gonna get out of him for several years and maybe for his entire career."

There are other factors to consider, too.

Tebow's too-good-to-be-true image included more than 700 hours of community service in 2009, and it seems unlikely that he would come with any off-the-field problems or distractions.

He might even be the most marketable rookie this year.

Jacksonville Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver called Tebow "iconic" last fall, said his "star power is incredible" and made it clear Tebow could help his struggling hometown franchise.

When Tebow decided to play in the Senior Bowl, ticket sales took off. More than 5,000 tickets were purchased during the three days following his announcement.

Tebow already has been tabbed for a Super Bowl commercial, although it's believed to be an anti-abortion message and has stirred strong debate about whether he should be taking a stand so publicly on a polarizing issue. He also is reportedly close to signing a deal that would land him on the cover of EA Sports' NCAA Football 2011 video game, which will be out this summer.

Nonetheless, which team drafts him could be more important than anything else.

"There's no doubt in my mind that he can play quarterback in the NFL," Meyer said. "What style of play? The ability to adapt, some coaches are phenomenal at it. Some programs in NFL, you watch them, and they just adapt to who they have. And they win. And so I'm hoping he gets to the right place."



I hope Weaver takes Tebow in the first, so that we'll have one more potential blue-chipper fall to us in the 2nd.

so you are saying Tebow is not a Blue Chipper?

Do we get a Django type guarantee or a Coach B2 type guarantee?

We will get a guarantee. It will just be from Ballpeen, and it will go something like this, "Tim Tebow is the greatest college player and winner of all time. He works harder and has better character than any player who has ever played in the NFL. So he's not a prototypical NFL QB. It doesn't matter because he is going to revolutionize the NFL QB position. There is no possible way he doesn't succeed. If the Raiders draft him, not only will he lead them to the Super Bowl in 2010, but he will convince Al Davis to retire. I guarantee Tim Tebow will succeed in the NFL."

..... and he is a virgin too

just think what would happen if he took a viagra too.

The space shuttle explosion would pale in comparison

His faith is the reason.

Gotta admire that! Especially from a guy.

When your faith in your savior trumps all. AWESOME!!!!!!

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We will get a guarantee. It will just be from Ballpeen, and it will go something like this,

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LOL Or you'll get one from Ahack Dawg that insists he's a loser and will never amount to anything in the NFL

Then you have me saying this:

Tebow will not be a prototypical QB with great accuracy, arm strength or passing ability in general. It will take at least a couple of years for him to be a productive QB in the NFL.

However, he could be a good player in a few years if he is on a good team who is patient with him. Another problem could be conflicts with players. A lot of NFL vets won't take kindly to him waltzing in with his God talk and media swarm. He will have to overcome that.

All things are possible Deep...

Loser or winner in the NFL, who knows.
All together now...THE DRAFT IS A CRAPSHOOT!
If he is still there for us in the 2nd, I'd take him, or... trade for for jacksonville's 3rd and next years 1st(Pryor or Locker)

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All together now...THE DRAFT IS A CRAPSHOOT!

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THE DRAFT IS A CRAPSHOOT!

"I'll be surprised if workouts and all-star games change teams' opinions on Tebow," ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said. "I think the one thing that will help the most for him is sitting down in those interview rooms. Remember, all it takes is one team and one decision-maker to fall in love with him to take him a half-round or maybe a full round ahead of where he should go.


No fan hype ,nothing changes my mind about Elbow ..U guys are being overtaken by the hype..dude's mechanic's have got to be changed...and it's gonna take a while..after he's off the board I really won't care about him..he won't be in a Browns uni..

I disagree.
It's natural ability and hard work.