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cavs with a nice win last night in portland. they took advantage of a struggling team and got a solid road win. especially after coming off a very disappointing loss friday night in denver.
lebron wore 2 different color shoes last night, one blue, one orange. when asked after the game about the shoes, he said it was a tribute to daugherty, nance, price, ehlo, etc...
i found it funny that not much was made out of it. he tributes past cavaliers and nothing. but some fake ny shoes show up on the net and it gets headlines everywhere. it just shows how biased the media is toward lebron leaving.
i'm also reading that the cavs have interest in stretch four players troy murphy (indy) and antawn jamison. both are rumored to gladly accept a trade to the cavs.
i will tell you one thing. if the cavs land antawn jamison. look out.
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The loss in Denver was a bummer.... free throws killed us. The game last night was fun to watch. I got a little nervous when they got it within five, then I got a little upset when we let them tie it up... but no worries, they just woke up and asserted themselves and took the W  Antawn Jamison - that would be crazy. I don't know much about it (I'm a total NBA n00b) except that he seems pretty good and has some nice numbers (avg. 22pts/8rb a game).... but I could see it being an absolute nightmare for teams with a guy like that and LBJ on the floor at the same time.
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My biggest issue with both Jamison and Murphy are their contracts. They got multiple years and would effectly kill any cap space we would have, plus theyre both older players and dont seem to have any long terms plans with the team.
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My biggest issue with both Jamison and Murphy are their contracts. They got multiple years and would effectly kill any cap space we would have, plus theyre both older players and dont seem to have any long terms plans with the team.
We dont (and won't) have any cap space....so don't worry about that.
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i found it funny that not much was made out of it. he tributes past cavaliers and nothing. but some fake ny shoes show up on the net and it gets headlines everywhere. it just shows how biased the media is toward lebron leaving.
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i will tell you one thing. if the cavs land antawn jamison. look out.
Wow, Antawn Jamison? It's hard to picture any key Wizards on our team. Thought they all pretty much hate the Cavs. Jamison probably more than any of the others. He'd be quite an addition, though. Maybe move Z for him? Z and Moon/Parker?
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The rumors are Big Z and Hickson for him with the wizards agreeing to buy out Z so he can return to the cavs.
Also a sign and trade with Wally is also a possibility but I highly doubt it comes to fruition.
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The rumors are Big Z and Hickson for him with the wizards agreeing to buy out Z so he can return to the cavs.
Awesome!
So essentially, Hickson for AJ. I'd probably do it. We need to win this year! I don't care if Hickson goes on to become a nice starter.
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The rumors are Big Z and Hickson for him with the wizards agreeing to buy out Z so he can return to the cavs.
Also a sign and trade with Wally is also a possibility but I highly doubt it comes to fruition.
Using Wally instead of Z would cost Gilbert about $20 million, so I find it highly unlikely.
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i'm also reading that the cavs have interest in stretch four players troy murphy (indy) and antawn jamison. both are rumored to gladly accept a trade to the cavs.
i will tell you one thing. if the cavs land antawn jamison. look out.
I've been pushing for Antawn Jamison since last year's trading deadline. The only issue with him is that his contract runs another three years and it's fairly hefty (~12m). I'm not sure how much cap space we would have for this upcoming free agent period.
Nothing against Hickson, but Antawn would be a massive upgrade. We could have a Shaq/Antawn and Z/Andy rotation, which would give us a big-time shooter and defender on the floor at all times.
I've always liked Jamison. He's the one Wizard I could actually stand to look at whenever we played them.
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The rumors are Big Z and Hickson for him with the wizards agreeing to buy out Z so he can return to the cavs.
I get the feeling that if we were any team not named "The Cavs", this would be a done deal. It's an ideal trade for both teams, I just get the feeling the Wiz don't want to do the Cavs any favors ... even if it helps them in the long run too.
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Ha thats a fair point. I never even thought of that before.
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The loss in Denver was a bummer.... free throws killed us. The game last night was fun to watch.
I got a little nervous when they got it within five, then I got a little upset when we let them tie it up... but no worries, they just woke up and asserted themselves and took the W
Antawn Jamison - that would be crazy. I don't know much about it (I'm a total NBA n00b) except that he seems pretty good and has some nice numbers (avg. 22pts/8rb a game).... but I could see it being an absolute nightmare for teams with a guy like that and LBJ on the floor at the same time.
any time you can add a guy who can score 20 a game, you do it. (unless of course it is a chucker a la jamal crawford, ai of the past few yrs, etc). he would make the cavs dangerous. the amount of open looks he'd get with the guaranteed double teams of lbj, shaq, as well as having to make sure you don't leave mo too open...
as much as we blast the wizards, jamison is not the overrated overhyped player that gilbert arenas is, or the thug deshawn stevenson, who only seems to score when the game has long been decided. jamison and butler both play good basketball. i would take either of them. and obvious any ill feelings have been put aside with jamison rumored to happily accept a trade to the hated (and better) cavaliers.
with the way the cavs stand now, they can still win a championship without making a move, they just aren't the favorites and it would be tough as is. but they could pull it off.
if you can add butler, or jamison, or even murphy, i think the cavs could become odds on favorites to win it.
right now i would put them only behind the lakers for best chance to win it all.
i know we cleaned their clocks but i think we'll get a better test in a week and a half when they come to the Q.
boston looks human again, they also look old. and i don't think there is one cavalier fan who's still afraid of the magic. they really downgraded themselves with those moves. having shaq to deal with dwight howard and hedo playing in toronto would make the cavs easy favorites in that series.
if you add jamison they can easily wipe out the things that lewis does too.
can't wait til the deadline to see what ferry does for the team. i have a feeling he is going to make some kind of move, maybe not blockbuster, but i think he feels that they can still get better with a move out there. last year he sat on his hands and it probably burned us.
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What trades were out there that we could have dont to improve our team? I just dont remeber any moves that would have really benefited us other than the shaq which fell through for whatever reason. Lets not forget last year we were the best team in the L and unbeatable at home, with only the Celtics really as real competition to deal with.
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What trades were out there that we could have dont to improve our team? I just dont remeber any moves that would have really benefited us other than the shaq which fell through for whatever reason. Lets not forget last year we were the best team in the L and unbeatable at home, with only the Celtics really as real competition to deal with.
shaq was the only move that really surfaced, i am sure he had other options out there. who knows.
with the way the economy was and still is, i am sure there were quite a few options for him.
shaq would have helped us, but something tells me that phoenix blinked first and took down their wishes in that trade. what they wanted last february and what they got over the summer are probably 2 different scenarios.
and i don't think anyone can knock ferry for sitting on his hands, they had their obvious weaknesses (like everyone else) but they were atop the league, and rolling.
and yes, we had the best record in the league, best home record, etc... but the fact remains that our record versus the elite, especially on the road, was poor. 1-2 against orlando, 2-2 with 2 road losses at boston, 0-2 against the lakers... the writing was on the wall. they weren't tough enough to win a big road game.
i think they have turned that corner, as they stand right now though. they are so much tougher this year.
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well, that Shaq deal would have been kinda nice in the series against Orlando... and the subsequent series that we never got against L.A. 
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Here's the misconception with some fans on Z be "a" trade piece.....he's not "a" trade, he is "THE" trade piece if the Cavs are going to add a big name player.
Wally is not an option at this point and neither is Shaq. Shaq isn't expendable (unless we would be getting a Bosh type player) and Wally's deal would cost the Cavs even more money.
Z's contract was pro-rated by the Cavs specifically for the use of it in a trade this season. The Cavs paid a little over half of the 11 million (I think it was something like 5.7 million) last summer. That allowed the team to spread the remaining 5.5 or so million over the entire course of the season.
Why is this important? Because it makes Z's deal even more attractive to a team looking to save money. Instead of a team trying to negotiate a buyout on half of his cap value - 5.5+ million (or the amount of money that should be remaining on his contract under normal circumstances), they only have to work out a buyout on 1/4 of his cap value - 2.75 million because the Cavs paid half of the season salary up front.
When you start to think about the math, I just don't think a team like Washington can pass an opportunity like this up.
Jamison's Remaining '09 Salary - 5.8 million minus Z's buyout - 1.5 million = 4.3 million savings
Jamison's 2 remaining years on his contract - 28.5 million savings
Luxury Tax - 4.3 million savings.
Total savings for Washington in a trade = 37.1 million. And that's simply a Z for Jamison swap.
Is it really worth 37 million dollars for Washington to be stubborn and not trade Jamison? I just do not see it. It's a business. While they don't want to help Cleveland, financially they really don't have a choice.
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jeez, we would be loaded with bigs of all different types...
think about that.
assuming we made that deal and got z back via buyout, we have shaq, andy, z, jamison, powe, and maybe hickson if he doesn't go, yikes.
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Wow, was unaware of the Z contract issue. That is a nice ace in the pocket so to speak. I just question if Jamison is the best option available out there. I wonder if Anthony Randolph is available in GS as that adds a piece to build on for the future as well. Granted he is not the player as of right now that Jamison is, but Jamison's huge contract and his age scare me.
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When you were talking "Wally", did you mean Szczerbs ? I thought he was, like, DONE.
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wow, minnesota offered up al jefferson for danny granger.
i would love some al jefferson, talk about a perfect fit for the cavs. 20 and freaking 10 every night.
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He would be nice, though he is basically what Shaq and Anderson are. He doesnt posess an outside game and has an injury history which is scary.
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Jamison is the missing piece THIS season. Given that LeBron is a free agent this summer, that's all that matters.
Sure, Randolph is a better long term prospect in terms of raw talent but could you even be confident he could give you numbers like Jamison's averaging this year (22 points, 9 rebounds) at any point over the next 5-6 seasons? He seems like more of a 13 and 8 guy that will give you a lot of highlight reel plays but won't be nearly as consistent or reliable as a vet like Jamison.
Jamison is one of the most underrated 4's in he NBA. Not only that but he seems to actually be getting better with age, not worse. If you just looked at this 4 year sample of numbers (without a name), would you ever think this was Jamison and not someone like Tim Duncan?
20 PPG, 8 REBS
21 PPG, 10 REBS
22 PTS, 9 REBS
22 PTS, 8 REBS
I'm honestly not sure if there's another 4 in the NBA, save maybe Bosh, that has averaged at least 20 and 8 each of the last 4 seasons.
Jamison is a hell of a player. Put him in to a lineup that already has LeBron, Mo and Shaq and he is absolutely going to KILL people.
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Randolph was also hurt in their last game. I'm not sure how bad though. Cavs play GS tonight so I'm sure they'll talk about it.
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We can use Wally in a sign and trade. The Mavs did it with Keith Van Horn in the Jason Kidd trade with the Nets a few years ago...
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Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
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I asked earlier, I thought he was done,...so we still have his rights even though he isn't playing anywhere,...?? Did he get hurt,...?? I thought he was gone,...?
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He's a free agent right now, but since we were the last team he played for we can use him in a sign and trade if he agreed to it. We are also able to go over the cap (well further than we already are) to sign him since he last played for us so that could help since the salaries in a trade have to be within 25% of each other. He would pretty much be getting a few million dollars and not have to play at all. Van Horn made about $4 million for doing nothing a few years ago in the same situation.
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Agreed ... we'd pretty much sign him to an "expiring contract" for one year, to match up with whatever Washington wanted to give us. We could then take on any lengty contracts (Antawn is $12ish million for 3 years) and they'd get Wally's expiring contract in return.
Not sure why we'd want to do that though, as we would have to pay double to sign Wally, due to the luxury tax ... when we could do the exact same thing with Z's contract, which is already on the books. I suppose if we didn't trust the Wizards to actually release Z, but other than that ...
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it's also that Z will have to take 30 days off after he is released from Washington (which might take some time because they might lowball him on a buyout)....
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Nice win last night over GS. Didnt get to watch the game here in DC but from what I read we played decent and it was the small line up near the end of the game that sealed the victory. Not happy only winning by 3 against a terrible team but a win is a win.
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I just looked at the Site recap, and it said the Warriors came back from 11 down to 'close' to within 3,...not so sure it was as "damaging" as it might have looked, as I did not stay up either,...
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I just looked at the Site recap, and it said the Warriors came back from 11 down to 'close' to within 3,...not so sure it was as "damaging" as it might have looked, as I did not stay up either,...
GS had a chance to tie with around 6 seconds left but didn't get a great shot off. Curry had to hoist a contested 3, from about 28 feet, that never really had a chance.
Turnovers killed the Cavs late and kept GS in it. Cavs almost blew it at the end of regulation and went in to OT. They never gave the lead up but they did give GS a chance to tie it up.
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they've done that quite a bit this season, allowing teams to get back into the game. i think it's because mike brown calls the prevent defense, and to his credit, it has worked just about every single time.
boston loses to the hawks last night. man, they are ripe for the picking right now, i wish we had a game lined up with them.
i really want to see us go into boston and kick them around. that is pretty much the only thing left on our regular season checklist.
they punked us on opening night, we gotta do them back.
i know they are going through injuries, but this is why people said they were lucky to get one title with that group.
the more i think about this jamison thing, the more i say we have to get this done.
the way i see it is, there is the chance we don't get lebron next year, which in that i say you go for it, we're cleveland, we haven't won in forever, you gotta make that gamble.
but then i also think. what if we can't get anyone to sign here next year anyway? what if wade stays in mia, or goes to chicago? what if bosh decides the money in toronto is too much to pass up? or he goes elsewhere. what if a lot of these guys go elsewhere?
at least we were able to add another all-star caliber player this year.
i think we have to make this move. simply for the fact that we may not be able to get anyone anyway. even aside from the lebron situation.
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Well, it's a good thing that we pulled this win out.. .Chicago's only 12 games back of us.  Us making the playoffs is a foregone conclusion - there is little to no chance that we miss out, so our only concern is with positioning, and we're squarely in the driver's seat. The great thing about that is against weaker teams that we know we can handle, it affords us the opportunities to try out rotations that we might not normally get to try except in practice. It really gives Mike Brown a lab in which to experiement and find out what works best in different situations.
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the old saying "Theres always next year" continues to haunt Cleveland teams.
Forget next year, this year is it. If Jamison can help us win the title this year, YOU DO IT!!!!!!!!!
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they've done that quite a bit this season, allowing teams to get back into the game. i think it's because mike brown calls the prevent defense, and to his credit, it has worked just about every single time.
Defense really hasn't been the issue as much as turnovers.. We have had some games where we turn the ball over at an alarming rate.. Last night being an example with 22 (8 of those in the 4th quarter)....
My main beef with our turnover issue is that a lot of times I don't see the other teams "forcing" them, as much as I see us just be careless with the basketball making unforced errors..
Well, the good news is that we have a half a season to tidy it up.. cause we won't get away with it in late May..
On another note, I am surprised no one is talking about Jawad on here....
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Nah,...Catbird Seat !! (barring a total Blue Jacket pack-it-in,....)
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