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NBC is full of idiots. HUGE mistake and a knee jerk reaction. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtrac...night-show.htmlConan O'Brien says he won't participate in the 'destruction' of 'The Tonight Show' January 12, 2010 | 12:45 pm "The Tonight Show" host Conan O'Brien just released a statement regarding his pending status at NBC. In the lengthy letter addressed to "People of Earth" -- full text follows -- O'Brien says he has not received any offers from competing networks, but also says he will not continue with "The Tonight Show" should it move to 12:05 p.m., as NBC said on Sunday it would. O'Brien said he would not participate in what called "the destruction" of "The Tonight Show." I sincerely believe that delaying the Tonight Show into the next day to accommodate another comedy program will seriously damage what I consider to be the greatest franchise in the history of broadcasting. The Tonight Show at 12:05 simply isn’t the Tonight Show. Also, if I accept this move I will be knocking the Late Night show, which I inherited from David Letterman and passed on to Jimmy Fallon, out of its long-held time slot. That would hurt the other NBC franchise that I love, and it would be unfair to Jimmy. The statement in its entirety: People of Earth: In the last few days, I’ve been getting a lot of sympathy calls, and I want to start by making it clear that no one should waste a second feeling sorry for me. For 17 years, I’ve been getting paid to do what I love most and, in a world with real problems, I’ve been absurdly lucky. That said, I’ve been suddenly put in a very public predicament and my bosses are demanding an immediate decision. Six years ago, I signed a contract with NBC to take over The Tonight Show in June of 2009. Like a lot of us, I grew up watching Johnny Carson every night and the chance to one day sit in that chair has meant everything to me. I worked long and hard to get that opportunity, passed up far more lucrative offers, and since 2004 I have spent literally hundreds of hours thinking of ways to extend the franchise long into the future. It was my mistaken belief that, like my predecessor, I would have the benefit of some time and, just as important, some degree of ratings support from the prime-time schedule. Building a lasting audience at 11:30 is impossible without both. But sadly, we were never given that chance. After only seven months, with my Tonight Show in its infancy, NBC has decided to react to their terrible difficulties in prime-time by making a change in their long-established late night schedule. Last Thursday, NBC executives told me they intended to move the Tonight Show to 12:05 to accommodate the Jay Leno Show at 11:35. For 60 years the Tonight Show has aired immediately following the late local news. I sincerely believe that delaying the Tonight Show into the next day to accommodate another comedy program will seriously damage what I consider to be the greatest franchise in the history of broadcasting. The Tonight Show at 12:05 simply isn’t the Tonight Show. Also, if I accept this move I will be knocking the Late Night show, which I inherited from David Letterman and passed on to Jimmy Fallon, out of its long-held time slot. That would hurt the other NBC franchise that I love, and it would be unfair to Jimmy. So it has come to this: I cannot express in words how much I enjoy hosting this program and what an enormous personal disappointment it is for me to consider losing it. My staff and I have worked unbelievably hard and we are very proud of our contribution to the legacy of The Tonight Show. But I cannot participate in what I honestly believe is its destruction. Some people will make the argument that with DVRs and the Internet a time slot doesn’t matter. But with the Tonight Show, I believe nothing could matter more. There has been speculation about my going to another network but, to set the record straight, I currently have no other offer and honestly have no idea what happens next. My hope is that NBC and I can resolve this quickly so that my staff, crew, and I can do a show we can be proud of, for a company that values our work. Have a great day and, for the record, I am truly sorry about my hair; it’s always been that way. Yours, Conan More details to come over at the Company Town blog. -- Denise Martin
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NBC is stupid. I always liked Conan and thought Leno was a tool. Leno's little primetime show failure proved people were only tuning into his act cause it was 11:30pm and the program was named "The Tonight Show".
And now they're screwing with the Tonight Show and Conan to make Leno feel better? Ugh...nothing like destroying a popular franchise.
Note: I watch zero hours of late night talk shows per week. When I was in high school, I watched Carson and then Letterman almost every night. Now....meh.
Why do we need so many late night talk shows anyway? They're just marketing vehicles for the guests project, band, movie, show or charity event (plus a funny monolouge to begin with).
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I think people that actually still think Leno is funny are already in bed by the time the primetime show started. 
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I like em both ... Letterman is the tool. 
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Leno's little primetime show failure proved people were only tuning into his act cause it was 11:30pm and the program was named "The Tonight Show".
If that was the case, then Conan would be getting the exact same ratings that Jay was ... he's not. Jay's failure in primetime has a LOT more to do with the fact that he's a late-night talk show program, going up against bonafide prime-time television shows that have their own established fanbases. Throw Jay over on ABC in the same late-night time-slot, and he'd probably get big numbers again.
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And now they're screwing with the Tonight Show and Conan to make Leno feel better? Ugh...nothing like destroying a popular franchise.
Agreed ... NBC execs are the real tools here. First they screwed Jay with trying to force him into early retirement, to keep Conan happy without overpaying him. Then they try the stupid Primetime move with him ... and then they screw over Conan trying to save face with Leno.
Honestly, NBC needs to bite the bullet and let Jay go to ABC/Fox ... they'll probably lose out on the ratings for a few years to either him or Letterman, but Conan will slowly over-take them in the next 5-10 years. He's the future of late-night. They made their bed with Conan ... and they need to sleep in it now.
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Honestly, NBC needs to bite the bullet and let Jay go to ABC/Fox ... they'll probably lose out on the ratings for a few years to either him or Letterman, but Conan will slowly over-take them in the next 5-10 years. He's the future of late-night. They made their bed with Conan ... and they need to sleep in it now.
Problem is, they don't have "5 to 10 years" to get the ratings up. Their ad revenue depends on ratings. Their affiliates ad revenues depend on ratings.
Over all, they have screwed the pooch on this. It's like they don't have a clue what they are doing. Is congress involved?
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Problem is, they don't have "5 to 10 years" to get the ratings up. Their ad revenue depends on ratings. Their affiliates ad revenues depend on ratings.
Well yeah, they should of thought about that before they screwed the pooch on this one.
Now, they are to the point where they almost have to choose one over the other because of their mishandling. If they choose Jay, they likely get 5-10 years from him and then likely lose big after that. With Conan, they'll have a lean 5-10 years, but have the chance to really dominate after that for a couple decades ... Jay and Dave will both likely retire, and Conan would of had 5 years to build his fanbase/brand. Plus his current younger fanbase becomes the main fanbase.
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Problem is, they don't have "5 to 10 years" to get the ratings up. Their ad revenue depends on ratings. Their affiliates ad revenues depend on ratings.
Well yeah, they should of thought about that before they screwed the pooch on this one.
Now, they are to the point where they almost have to choose one over the other because of their mishandling. If they choose Jay, they likely get 5-10 years from him and then likely lose big after that. With Conan, they'll have a lean 5-10 years, but have the chance to really dominate after that for a couple decades ... Jay and Dave will both likely retire, and Conan would of had 5 years to build his fanbase/brand. Plus his current younger fanbase becomes the main fanbase.
Yes.
NBC is R-E-B-U-I-L-D-I-N-G. It doesn't happen over night!
How about "Last Call w/ Jay Leno?"
That oughta show that whiny prima donna ass who pulled a Brett Favre on Conan and NBC.
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NBC is R-E-B-U-I-L-D-I-N-G. It doesn't happen over night!
NBC has been 'rebuilding' about as long as the Browns.
Internally, they've been in such a state since I left the network, which is right about when they were trying to brace themselves for life after "Friends".
At the time, their big ideas for rebuilding included pushing Jay Leno out of "The Tonight Show" slot and inking Conan to a proactive deal locking him in as their head of late night...
...and trotting out a remake of a British show called "Coupling" to take over the "Friends" stronghold slot (cancelled after a month if I remember correctly...Zucker really pushed the hell out of this show to investors as a lock).
Six or seven years later...wow. At the time, they were a fading #1 looking to stay relevant...now they're a cellar dweller.
NBC has never recovered from losing "Friends"...and it's done everything it can to screw itself along the way.
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I think they are in good with The Office and My Name is Earl seemed to be doing well the first two season. I heard 30 Rock was getting good reviews too. Outside of that, I have no idea what NBC is running.
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That covers one night of programming...which routinely comes in third place.
(Although all three are solid shows.)
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That oughta show that whiny prima donna ass who pulled a Brett Favre on Conan and NBC.
Pulled a Brett Farve?? Really?? 
NBC tried to force him into retirement. Is he supposed to just go away quietly when he's still the top rated late-night show? He agreed to give over his time-slot to Conan and then started to explore options when other networks came to him looking to bring him on board for their late night show. NBC panicked and gave Jay a ridiculous deal to do prime-time and stay on with NBC. (and not go up against Conan). How exactly is Leno being a primadonna whiny ass here?
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That covers one night of programming...which routinely comes in third place.
Like I mentioned before ... they also ditched a pretty impressive sports resume, and kept on the one program that doesn't seem to be keeping it's ratings ... the Olympics.
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And even then, NBC is going to lose money on the 2010 Olympics because of declining ad revenue and the high cost of the bid that got them the games: they've admitted it themselves.
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There are two reasons why Conans tonight show would not get the same ratings that Leno's tonight show did.
1) Leno got to follow a 10pm slot of actual programming...then the local news...the people would tune in to watch his monologue
2) Conan got to follow Leno...who was already losing the NBC audience at light speed to networks with actual shows on....then local news...and then...why turn into here the tonight show monologue...I already heard Jays...did something else happen today.
Jay got a jump on all the "jokes of the day" on everyone else...by the time Conan was got on...there was already a 15 minute joke a thon on todays news.
Conan is getting screwed...and yes..part of it is Jays fault...but Jay is also getting screwed...he knew this would happen...he said many times..."I know I am going to get my but kicked by CSI, and NCIS....but what we hope will happen is I will win in the summer against CSI, and NCIS reruns"
He knew all along that their only shot was at hanging on till rerun season...it was part of the plan...but as network nitwits often do....they jumped the gun....they jumped the gun on giving Conan a contract that said 6 years from not the Tonight show it yours...they jumped the gun on trying to force feed america a JAY LENO SHOW...and the jumped the gun on scraping all the plans they had already jumped into action.
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What were Conan's average ratings over the last months and what where Jay's in those relative periods?
They are going to lose one of these two.
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The Office is the flagship show of NBC, IMO.
They need to push the hell out of it moreso than they are now.
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I guess this means if Conan quits, I will have never ever watched, or get a chance to watch, him. Heartbroken,.... (where is the damn sarcasm icon ?)
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There are two reasons why Conans tonight show would not get the same ratings that Leno's tonight show did.
1) Leno got to follow a 10pm slot of actual programming...then the local news...the people would tune in to watch his monologue
2) Conan got to follow Leno...who was already losing the NBC audience at light speed to networks with actual shows on....then local news...and then...why turn into here the tonight show monologue...I already heard Jays...did something else happen today.
Jay got a jump on all the "jokes of the day" on everyone else...by the time Conan was got on...there was already a 15 minute joke a thon on todays news.
Don't know if I completely buy all of that ... this is the age of the remote control and 15 second attention spans. People will flip to what they want to watch, and not leave the TV tuned to one channel. Considering the low ratings Jay got in Primetime, I'm not sure he was cutting THAT much into Conan's ratings. Besides, didn't Letterman's numbers go up? So there were also some people switching over because they preferred Leno/Letterman to Conan.
But I do agree that Jay got an hour jump on "joke of the day" though and that probably cut into what Conan could offer an hour later. But ...
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... How is that Jay's fault though? NBC is the one that botched things from the beginning. Jay is just doing what he can while NBC jerks both of them around trying to accommodate both of them.
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Its partly Jay's fault...because Jay wont leave....6 years ago he said I will go quietly into the night...just like Johnny did for me.
then he decided...I like working to much..I don't want to quit.....Which is totally in his right.
then ABC was going to jump on Jay..and NBC got scared...so they through 10pm at JAY....again..not Jay's faults....he is just going where the money is....and I do not blame him a bit...its not his fault that NBC is stupid.
now that the 10pm slot is dead...Jay wants his 1130 slot back (this is Jays fault)....Conan is right...the tonight show starts at 1130...and it has for over 60 years.....What Jay should be doing is just "retiring" for 6 months...then just come back to the highest bidder....which is probably ABC.
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Its partly Jay's fault...because Jay wont leave....6 years ago he said I will go quietly into the night...just like Johnny did for me.
Why should he leave? He was still #1 in ratings and doing well. NBC is the one that tried to force him into early retirement. Like you said, none of that was really his fault. ABC showed interest and NBC panicked and made matters worse.
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Is that what HE said, or is that what NBC is proposing? Even if he is the one saying he wants to go back to late night ... it's still on NBC to not jerk Conan around and let Jay walk ... or stick with Jay and let Conan walk.
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....Conan is right...the tonight show starts at 1130...and it has for over 60 years.....What Jay should be doing is just "retiring" for 6 months...then just come back to the highest bidder....which is probably ABC.
I completely agree ... Problem is, I don't think NBC wants either of them to leave, and has made a royal mess of the situation.
None of it is really Jay's fault or Conan's fault. Both are doing what's in the best interest of their career, and NBC is jerking them around.
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Jay did agree to step down in 6 years...he never should have agreed to it....he is entitled to FAVRE it up if he wants to....but he did say 6 years ago...Congrats to Conan...in 6 years Im stepping down and it will be yours.
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As far as that goes ... he did what he agreed to. I'm sure he didn't envision ABC coming after him with big money either. Can't blame him for wanting to take that deal. It was NBC that over-reacted to that and started the whole charade since then.
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The Office is the flagship show of NBC, IMO.
They need to push the hell out of it moreso than they are now.
It routinely does well in 18-49...but often finishes third.
Good show? Yes.
Flagship show? If so...you're screwed.
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They need to push the hell out of it moreso than they are now.
Have to agree. For years the only prime-time network show I watched was M*A*S*H and through the years it became Taxi, Cheers, Seinfeld, and now it's The Office. Can't say it is the best show out there, I haven't seen the others and can name only a handful that I recall from commercials during football games. But I rented videos of BBC's The Office a year or 2 before NBC picked it up and since I wasn't watching any network offering at the time, it became my choice.
The wife and I watched Conan's premier Tonight Show. Neither of us was impressed, but then at our age we've seen it all before - heck, I recall when SNL premiered back when I was in college. I mostly stick with baseball, football, old movies on Turner Classic Movies (enjoy the 30's gangster and late 40's / early 50's film noir & westerns the best) and stuff on The History Channel and The Discovery Channel. My wife seems to live on CIS and NCIS.
From little I saw of him and from what I read here, I'm sure Conan will land on his feet. Regardless, I admire him for telling NBC to stick it.
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I think people that actually still think Leno is funny are already in bed by the time the primetime show started.
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I will never watch Leno again. Despite 90% of internet statistics favoring Conan they pull this BS...that doesn't even factor in the huge "I'm with COCO" campaign in the social space. http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/Leno and NBC Strike 1 Hour 'Tonight' Deal Posted Jan 14th 2010 3:43PM by TMZ Staff Jay Leno has made a new deal with NBC, which gives him "The Tonight Show" from 11:35 - 12:35 ... sources tell TMZ. As we first reported, under the contract Jay had been working under, he was guaranteed the 10 PM hour. By moving him to 11:35, NBC was in breach of his contract and needed to negotiate a new deal. That is now done, sources tell TMZ. So Conan O'Brien is out, and Jay is restored. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/#ixzz0ccoAdWFn
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Leno comes out of this looking like a complete ass. I wonder whats going to happen when The Tonight Show finishes in third place behind Letterman and Conan's supposed new ABC or Fox show.
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Let Leno have the Tonight Show back, so it can go back to entertaining 60 year olds. Meanwhile, I'm sure Fox would offer a truckload of money to Conan to start a late night show there (something Fox has never done successfully). Honestly, I bet ABC would bump Kimmel, or cancel him completely if they knew Conan was a free agent.
Jay Leno will never get his audience back at 11:30 after this stunt. Since Fox runs news at 10 for an hour, I bet he goes over there and takes the 11pm slot to get a half hour head start on Jay and Letterman. My guess is Letterman still retains his audience and the younger people start watching Conan, which would leave Jay in a distant 3rd place in the ratings.
Conan is right about Jay being a terrible lead in for the Tonight Show. Usually the 10pm slot is reserved for the strongest drama in the lineup, and instead he had an hour of bad comedy leading into the news before the Tonight Show. Hard to build an audience that way.I don't know who is pulling the strings at NBC, but that person should be fired because this is an all out fiasco for the network.
Oh, and Jimmy Fallon is a talentless tool. He became famous by breaking character and laughing during 90 percent of the SNL skits he appeared in. I don't know who he sleeps with at NBC, but I hope they fire that person too.
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Right on Joe88  NBC really screwed the pooch on this one. They are looking at short term gains here....keeping the Tonight Show with Conan would have set them up for dominating the time slot after the waters calmed. Conan on Fox will be gold.....
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NBC really screwed the pooch on this one. They are looking at short term gains here....keeping the Tonight Show with Conan would have set them up for dominating the time slot after the waters calmed.
Conan on Fox will be gold.....
FOX will get my late night viewership, that's for sure.
What'd really kick ass is if FOX could get Jon Stewart from 11-11:35 to build into Conan.
Then again, considering how critical Stewart is of FOX News, that would never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen.
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Stewart would never leave Comedy Central mostly because he couldn't get away with as much on network TV. In addition, him and Colbert are a dynamite 1-2 punch.
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Agreed. But money talks.
Though I'd NEVER want to see The Daily Show neutered. Anyone who reads my political thoughts knows what I think of Jon Stewart.
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That's why I wouldn't focus to hard on Fox, if I was Conan. There are other options like Comedy Central, HBO, etc . . . .
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That's why I wouldn't focus to hard on Fox, if I was Conan. There are other options like Comedy Central, HBO, etc . . . .
HBO would suck for me since I don't have it.
I think Conan wants a network...going to cable would be like admitting defeat.
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Imagine if Conan went to the midnight timeslot on Comedy Central. Stewart, Colbert, and then an hour of Conan. They would have the 18-35 demographic 2 hours a night straight.
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One thing is for sure, I'll never watch Leno again. What a fricken diva. He had his shot and agreed to step down several years ago. He's nothing more than a Brett Farve V2.0. I used to flip back and forth between Letterman and Leno all the time and did the same with Conan/Letterman because I also liked them both. From now on however, it will be strictly Letterman until Conan gets a new gig. I even occasionally watched Leno in his new slot depending on the night.
With that being said, Leno's new show was a joke. I thought it was supposed to be a re-invention of the talk show. They hyped it up to be this whole new variety show. It turned out to be nothing more than his old show, with some added bits like stealing Lettermans Stupid Human/Pet Tricks segment. He is nothing more than a one trick pony. He is good at his one trick but that was not a re-invention, it was just the same old show just in a new slot with a new name.
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They hyped it up to be this whole new variety show. It turned out to be nothing more than his old show, with some added bits like stealing Lettermans Stupid Human/Pet Tricks segment.
Unlike Letterman who ripped off the whole Tonight Show format when he went to CBS.
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