DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns fire entire pro personnel department...

I brought this question up about 4-5 Months ago, if the Pro & College Scouting Departments need overhauled due to their poor performance since the Browns have rejoined the League.

However, it's nearly impossible to pinpoint a single person since the Browns have had a lot of changes over the 10 Years, and we as fans do not know who did what and who wanted this guy and ect.

But, personally I'm glad to see them reworking these departments.

Savage completely overhauled them in his first year here. He installed his system for grading, his people, etc... now we are doing the same thing with Heckert's people.

prpl...I believe Mangini added some people to personnel too. How much his people changed the system that Savage set up, no way to know the answer to that.

But, changes such as this are the nature of the business. If I were Heckert, I would want people I know and that I am comfortable with, knowing they have the same work ethic.

I was just replying to Hooter's question regarding whether or not they needed overhauled due to a decade's worth of failure..... by stating that it HAS been overhauled at least once (probably more) in that decade.

Botch also overhauled things ,unfortuantely he set up his own staff and it wasn't worth much either.
Which is what Phil cleaned out..

I still think Savage did an alright job here in Cleveland, but the biggest issues that I had with his style is giving away Draft Picks.

As for the Pro Personnel, Steve Sabo was the only guy that made it throughout all of the regimes except for the current regimes. Our scouting departments have always been lacking, which leads to poor scouting, free agents and poor drafts.

A few people have said they liked Mangini's draft, so why get rid of the guys responsible for that? That leads to the question, how much is the Coaches/GM's responsible for in the Draft.

My thought on the whole thing goes like this: The Coach/GM goes to the Scouting Department and says, "We want a guy that can do this, this and this. Create us a list and grading scale for each prospect that meets our needs".

So the scouts create this list with grades and ect, then ultimately the Coach or GM picks the guys they want in for the try outs or to trade.

That is the only reason why I can think of why moves or the draft under Mangini look better (Moore, Roth, Benard and ect) is because Mangini wanted those guys based on the information he received.

Or I could be completely off base here.

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and he gave away all the money and draft picks for an "all-in" effort to win now.

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the pressure to win in this league is incredible. Seems that when ever any team takes a win now "all in, damn the future" approach, they tend to fail the following year or at the very least, can't sustain winning seasons.

Butch Davis did that.. I think savage took that approach.. Does it ever really work?

Whew! A friend of mine is a scout and has been with the team through the past few regime changes. Every time I see news like this I worry/figure he'll be on the block (just b/c of the nature of the business) I honestly don't know who he's scouted/reccomended, since we don't chat much and he refuses to even tell his father/brother about those types of things... so I can't grade his choices

I'm just glad for the time being that he's still got a job to support his family! And hope he makes it through this time too!

One reaction from my experience is that when you get people crowding each other and sharing (duplicating responsibilities), you may see really negative turf battles. These become entrenched and set lower effectiveness standards. But people get territorial; protect turf to protect jobs. Doesn't explain this type of "wipeout" but the past performance and records and lack of effectiveness justifies it apparently. New is not automatically better, but old is often more of the same.

j/c

To me this seems like a common move when a new GM comes in. Just like anyone else, he wants to have people he knows and is comfortable with working for him. *shrug* Not a big deal to me.