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Petey...IMO, Rogers wants out of Cleveland and it doesn't matter what you claim, it won't change my opinion.
Nobody cares to change your opinion. It's your factual statement that Rogers is unhappy that has people correctly throwing the BS flag at your feet.
I'm going to add to that.
I don't know how feasible it is to say our defense played better after Rogers went down. I do think Rubin is more disciplined against the run, but he also far more limited in what he can do as opposed to Rogers.
Plus there were many other factors as well - like Matt Roth and a few other linebackers showing up, or the fact we played some horrible teams toward the end.
I mean, our defense played better after D'Qwell Jackson went down, but I'm not blaming him for our defense's poor performances.
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I'm neither for nor against trading Rogers. He is aging and this team is building for 2-3 years from now when Rogers will be well past his prime so if we can get good value for him NOW.. then I'm not opposed to that at all...
It has nothing to do with his "happiness" for me at all.. it's all about the business of building a better football team, not just next year but for the future.
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we NEED to be a team that takes (or at least tries to take... if it's BPA draft strategy) an O line and a D line guy every year... hopefully one in the first 2 or 3 rounds, and one in the last or second to last ... THAT is how we can get young AND prevent an injury in the middle from costing us our season.
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Excellent use of neither/nor by the way.
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I mean, our defense played better after D'Qwell Jackson went down, but I'm not blaming him for our defense's poor performances.
I agree.
As you mentioned, there were several factors that had a impact on the D's performance. I don't think taking Rogers out of the mix is the factor that all of a sudden improved the results.
One factor not mentioned is near the end of the season we were backed up against the wall. I think Mangini more or less allowed Ryan to let the dogs loose.
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Petey...after all the above, you post this..." I'd love to trade Rogers to the Raiders for a 2nd round pick"...
Which happens to be very similar to "my earlier post"...
"Rogers loved playing for Crennel and now Romeo is in KC. Maybe the Chiefs would be willing to work out a deal for Rogers. KC has the 4th pick in the 2nd round, which IMO, would be perfect, with maybe another player tossed in from the Chiefs."
Petey...how bout you tell us why "you" want to trade Rogers?
Why would you want to trade someone like Rogers, who is so happy in Cleveland ?
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Why would you want to trade someone like Rogers, who is so happy in Cleveland ?
Can't answer for Petey at all, but I'd consider trading him.. the reason is that he's in his 30's, he's probably never going to be worth more than he is now so we might be able to get something good for him.
Couple that with Rubin showing he can replace him pretty darn well,
Add to all of that opening up some salary room isn't a bad thing either. (don't know what effect it would have if there isn't a cap)
So there is at least a decent argument for trading him.
But mostly, I think to trade or not to trade depends on what plans the Browns have for Defense next season.. Of course, we can only speculate at this point.
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the performance of the Browns defense did not suffer when Rogers went on IR
This may be true.. but what if Rubin goes on IR in week 3 next year? It sure would be nice to have Rogers at DE so he could rotate into the middle and help pick up the slack.... or do we have another Rubin on the team that can step in and do just as well or better?
I'm neither for nor against trading Rogers. He is aging and this team is building for 2-3 years from now when Rogers will be well past his prime so if we can get good value for him NOW.. then I'm not opposed to that at all...
It has nothing to do with his "happiness" for me at all.. it's all about the business of building a better football team, not just next year but for the future.
Last March, Terry Pluto's article touched on some reasons for Rogers unhappyness...
Terry Pluto's blog: Making Shaun Rogers happy is big challenge for Cleveland Browns
By Mike Starkey
March 20, 2009, 12:01PM
CLEVELAND -- Scribbles in my Browns notebook.
1. While some fans gnash their teeth and wish evil things for coach Eric Mangini every time a Brady Quinn rumor is floated, the Browns have a much bigger problem than trying to figure out who should be their quarterback. That's because I believe it will be Quinn, and everything else is posturing to increase the possible trade value of Derek Anderson.
2. Nor is the problem Donte Stallworth. Nothing the Browns can do will change the future of the receiver, who killed a man while driving a week ago. That is purely in the hands of law enforcement. Besides, even with Stallworth -- probably not a favorite because of his history of being hurt and inconsistent -- the Browns are shopping for receivers.
3. The problem is Shaun Rogers, and it's much deeper than the star defensive tackle not being in town for "voluntary workouts." It's also more disconcerting than the split between Mangini and Rogers over the coach not connecting with the player in January when both were at a banquet. That can be repaired.
The problem is money. The problem is Rogers wanted to be a free agent this season, especially after seeing Albert Haynesworth bagged $100 million from Washington. The problem is if Rogers can't get out of his contract now -- and he can't -- he'd love to be a free agent by next season. That's because there might be no salary cap in 2010, according to the NFL labor agreement.
4. For Rogers, the problem is that Mangini and GM George Kokinis love how he plays. So far, they have zero interest in trading him, although Rogers or people in his camp might try to stir up some rumors. This situation is their first big challenge because it can get ugly. The 360-pound Rogers was in an excellent mood last season, loved playing for former coach Romeo Crennel and kept his weight under control. But he has swelled to more than 380 in the past. If he skips spring and early summer workouts ... maybe he will stay in shape, but then again, maybe not.
5. The Browns are very concerned about their defensive line. They see Rogers in the middle, and then there's ... well, Corey Williams, who didn't adjust from a 4-3 in Green Bay to the Browns' 3-4. And there's Robaire Smith, coming off a severe Achilles injuury. And there's Shaun Smith, coming off a fight in the weight room with Quinn. For the Browns, there are lots of holes on the line -- and the last thing they want to do is create a Grand Canyon by losing Rogers.
6. Another problem for Rogers is the contract extension he signed a year ago when dealt by Detroit. Former GM Phil Savage guaranteed $20 million over the first three years of the deal -- which now looks like a very smart move. His 2009 salary is $2.4 million, plus a $6 million roster bonus. In 2010, it's $7 million. Those two years are guaranteed. In 2011, it's $5.5 million; $5.6 million in 2012 and $5.5 million in 2013.
7. Another problem for the Browns is Rogers being a very sensitive man, and when some people do feel neglected or hurt, they struggle to produce their best. The Browns don't just need Rogers physically back in camp, they need him mentally engaged in what the team is doing -- and what Mangini and Rob Ryan want from their defense.
8. The Browns have to decide how to handle this. In the spring, it's easy to say, "Forget the guy, if he's going to be an attitude problem, trade him." That probably won't lead to a good deal. It's what Detroit did last year, sending the Browns a Pro Bowl tackle for Leigh Bodden and a third-round pick. And Bodden is now with New England, so what do they have to show for Rogers? The Browns can't take this approach, they have so few Pro Bowl caliber players already that losing another would be a terrible setback.
9. Not sure if Owner Randy Lerner needs to get involved, but someone has to deliver this message to Rogers: "We are not going to trade you or let you out of the contract. We need you. We know you played hurt last year, that you never complained and you produced. We just did give you a new contract. Keep in mind, you are staying here no matter what. But what can be do to make this situation better?"
10. There has been a trade rumor floating about a three-way deal where the Browns give up Quinn and Rogers, they get Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley from Washington, and Denver sends Jay Cutler to Washington ... and other stuff. I doubt there is any validity to it. Among other things, the Browns like their three tight ends: Steve Heiden, Robert Royal and Martin Rucker, so why deal for Cooley? The Washington Post reported that Redskins GM Vinny Cerrato has denied any interest in a deal for Cutler.
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Why would you want to trade someone like Rogers, who is so happy in Cleveland ?
Can't answer for Petey at all, but I'd consider trading him.. the reason is that he's in his 30's, he's probably never going to be worth more than he is now so we might be able to get something good for him.
Couple that with Rubin showing he can replace him pretty darn well,
Add to all of that opening up some salary room isn't a bad thing either. (don't know what effect it would have if there isn't a cap)
So there is at least a decent argument for trading him.
But mostly, I think to trade or not to trade depends on what plans the Browns have for Defense next season.. Of course, we can only speculate at this point.
daman...thanks for agreeing with me..
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There was the story in August about Rogers wanting to go back to Detroit...
Shaun Smith: Former Lions DT Shaun Rogers wants to return to Detroit
By Tom Kowalski
August 11, 2009, 12:04PM
ALLEN PARK -- There were rumors in the offseason that former Detroit Lions player Shaun Rogers, a Pro Bowl defensive tackle traded to the Cleveland Browns, wanted to come back and play for the Lions. Apparently, those rumors were true.
Shaun Smith, a former Browns defensive lineman who signed with the Lions on Monday, said Rogers definitely wants to come back to Detroit.
"That's my best friend, and he wishes he could come back here now. He misses it,'' Smith said after the Lions' morning workout. "You've been somewhere your whole career and you have some good times and you see the talent they're bringing in -- (Larry) Foote, (Julian) Peterson and (Phillip) Buchanon -- the defense is better now. They've got some quality veterans who can play and there are some young guys with potential.
"He said the people in the building were good and the people in the locker room were good. Just happy to be in the NFC and play ball. It's fun playing in the NFC.''
Smith said Rogers, despite wanting to return to the Lions, has settled in well in with the Browns.
"He's doing good,'' Smith said. "Everybody tried to give him that bad image, but he had a good season last year -- Pro Bowl -- he didn't get in any trouble or anything and handled the media questions and did a good job.''
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Another reason Holmgrem might want to trade the unhappy Shaun Rogers now....his contract...
3/5/2008: Signed a six-year, $42 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus, a first-year roster bonus of $1 million, Rogers' second-year salary, and annual $200,000 workout bonuses. 2009: $2.4 million (+ $6 million option bonus due in March), 2010: $6.9 million, 2011: $5.5 million, 2012: $5.6 million, 2013: $5.5 million, 2014: $7 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent
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First off MAC,, I don't agree with you that Rodgers is UNHAPPY.. Don't put words in my mouth.., I think you going back to old articles to prove a point is ridiculous.. Meaningless..
Things change.. and you aren't accounting for change..
Show me an article written by a credible source that's dated say from Nov 09 to present, and I'll at least listen to you on the subject...
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Mac, you are giving us old guys a bad name with your insistence on pointing to articles printed last pre-season as your basis for saying Rogers is unhappy today.
I myself don't have a problem trading Rogers, but it has nothing to do with his being unhappy, happy or any reason other than it might possibly make us a better team.
Sometimes you have to give value to get value. We may be getting to the point where the value he brings to the team isn't as great as the value he may bring in trade.
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Mac, you are giving us old guys a bad name with your insistence on pointing to articles printed last pre-season as your basis for saying Rogers is unhappy today.
I myself don't have a problem trading Rogers, but it has nothing to do with his being unhappy, happy or any reason other than it might possibly make us a better team.
Sometimes you have to give value to get value. We may be getting to the point where the value he brings to the team isn't as great as the value he may bring in trade.
I find it amusing that some who question "my opinions" concerning Rogers, still come to the same conclusion that now might be the time to trade Rogers.
Shortly after Mike Holmgren was hired I posted the warning below...
DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH ANY PLAYERS OR COACHES that are now part of this team.
I'm not in love with Shaun Rogers or anyone on the team for that matter...
Some of you seem to focus on one separate issue and fail to see the big picture when it comes to Rogers. Just a guess on my part, but it might be because you "like" Shaun Rogers?
It's like a math problem that has 7 different numbers to add up before you can get the correct answer. I have tried to look at the entire picture concerning Shaun Rogers and I have reached a conclusion..."my answer" is, now is the time to trade him ("IMO").
My conclusion concerning Rogers is based on several issues, some I have posted, but many have ignored.
Terry Pluto's article from March 20, 2009 and Jan 17, 2010 summed up the situation very well. Many choose to pass these articles off as old news even though, as I have pointed out, the issues remain.
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This is an article from last October, it doesn't sound like someone unhappy with playin in Cleveland. Cleveland Browns' Shaun Rogers not happy with his play nor the defense's
By Tony Grossi
October 01, 2009, 7:54PM
John Kuntz / The Plain Dealer
Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers calls his play over the first three games "very unsatisfactory."
Shaun Rogers hears the harsh criticism of the 0-3 Browns locally and nationally, and he can't refute it.
"We're kind of bad right now," he said. "That's the fact of it. We're not doing what we're paid and coached to do. We just have to get better."
The nose tackle said he hasn't held up his end of the bargain, either.
"Very unsatisfactory," is the way he described his play through three games. "It's my job to be an impact and influence and I don't think I've really done my job lately, so I'm still working on getting me straight. I just haven't had the games I'd like to have."
Rogers has one sack and is tied for fifth on the defense with 13 tackles.
"We show times we can be a stout defense, and then we have breakdowns," Rogers said. "We can't let those type of things spiral into what you saw last week [a 34-3 loss in Baltimore]. We've got to put it behind us.
"It's nothing you can attribute it to. We work pretty hard around here. We try to be consistent. We just have to find that 'it.' It's very hard to explain. When we find 'it,' I think everybody will know."
Rogers doesn't buy the theory that players are tuning out coach Eric Mangini.
"I think even though it's a little hard to grasp, I think people are understanding the points behind it and the necessity of having some type of discipline and some type of leadership," he said. "So, I think it'll turn out. Wins would definitely help cover some of the rough edges. But I think guys will understand it and buy in."
He termed the game Sunday against Cincinnati "oh so, oh so important."
"I would love to win, but I just want to see us compete this week, really," Rogers said.
Link Here is the issue of him wanting to go back to Detroit stright from him. It's written by a Detroit writer so it's slanted in their direction. Rogers was on a conference call with the Detroit media Wednesday, and that's an interesting development in itself. He had a chilly relationship with reporters during most of his career with the Lions. On Wednesday, he was cooperative and talkative but wouldn't say he definitively wanted to return to Detroit.
He didn't deny it, either.
"I just want to play football in the NFL. That's been my dream and my goal, and that's what I continue to strive to do -- play well in this league, wherever I'm at," Rogers said. "I'm not denying that I want to play this game in the NFL with any franchise that would love to have me."
Because of tampering rules, the Lions can't say anything about Rogers publicly.
"If that was the business decision made, if the Browns traded me back to Detroit, I'd guess I'd have to play in Detroit," Rogers said. "If they traded me to Washington or anywhere else in this league, I would have to move and play and play well for them."
Rogers was a second-round pick in 2001 and played seven years with the Lions.
"It would be accurate to say that after seven years anywhere, you develop relationships and bonds that you'll miss when you move on," said Rogers, who still spends a good part of his off-time in Detroit. "Yeah, I do. I still have a lot of close friends and some of my cousins are there. I do visit."
It's unlikely, but not impossible, that the Lions would swing a re-trade for a talented player who seemingly would be motivated to play in Detroit. Because it's unlikely, Rogers is careful not to burn any bridges.
"I enjoyed playing in Detroit, as I enjoy playing in Cleveland," he said. "You make the most out of wherever you're at. You try to create positive memories." LinkThe first bolded section doesn't sound like he wants to play in Detroit. "If that was the business decision made, ... I'd guess I'd HAVE to play in Detroit." In the second bolded section he specifically states he enjoys playing in Cleveland.
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Petey...how bout you tell us why "you" want to trade Rogers?
Why would you want to trade someone like Rogers, who is so happy in Cleveland ?
I explained earlier, I only would want to trade him for an EARLY 2nd round pick or a 1st round pick. This is the NFL, everyone on this team is tradable Mac. I like Rogers a lot, but he has an expensive contract and he is getting older. He is also coming off an injury. I don't think he's that great against the run. He is not as good as someone like Kris Jenkins as a NT. We could save money, and spend it on another place, while also getting a draftpick that would get us a young potentially good prospect. My opinions on why I would trade Rogers, in that case scenario (1st or early 2nd round pick), have nothing to do with this idea that you seem to have in your head that Shaun Rogers is unhappy. And notice, I don't want to trade Shaun Rogers, only if we got that kind of a deal, and I really don't think we're going to get that deal Mac. I mean we only gave a 3rd for him...........
Everybody on this team is available. Give me the KC Chiefs first round pick for this year and next year and second round pick for this year and next year and third round pick for this year and next year, and I would even trade Joe Thomas.......
You just seem to be really subborn Mac. Everyone's point is that you are using OLD articles to try to prove this statement you keep making that Rogers is unhappy. That's the problem. Then you try and make your point even more clear by posting an article from August. Come on man..........
I really didn't need to post this, everyone else understands. I think I explained earlier in this thread the scenario that would make me trade Rogers and why, just read the history of my posts.........
I'm sorry Mac, but I'm beginning to feel the same way as Toad.
Until you get any substantial evidence that Rogers is currently "unhappy" stop saying he is. Because you're making a mockery of yourself, and you're getting close to reaching the line of lying. It's really beginning to get rediculous
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DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH ANY PLAYERS OR COACHES that are now part of this team.
Don't hurt yourself with that patting on the back thing Mac.. Seriously, do you think you are the ONLY person on this board that understands that...
As if you warning us of such a possibility is a NEW thing that you just "thunk" up on your own..
That's not even close to an original thought. Give us all a little credit.
Seriously,, can you show me a recent article.. I asked for this before,,but you ignored me.. Answer me please.. DO YOU HAVE A RECENT article that PROVES that Rodgers is UNHAPPY.. something from a reliable source...NOT RUMORS
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Mac, just because people arrive at the same conclusion as you that maybe it would be a good idea to trade Rodgers doesn't automatically make it for the same reasons. Your reasons about him being unhappy NOW have absolutely nothing to back them up.
For me it's a case of value. If we can get value for him now and not have a huge drop-off on the field, then I would definitely consider it, as his value will likely drop in a year or two when we're closer to playoff ready.
Notice nowhere in my above statement do I say, "We should trade him because he's unhappy in Cleveland." Notice also, that I'm not trying to say that everyone should go along with me based on some article from a year ago. As was stated earlier, the Northcutt article posted has as much relevance as yours to trading Rodgers now.
So, Mac, I believe that you want to trade Rodgers because you feel he's unhappy. Why do you insist that everyone who wants to trade Rodgers has to also want to do it because he's unhappy? Your ego is out of control on this thread, and that's really saying something!
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http://www.freep.com/article/20100123/SP...DT-Shaun-RogersThat's a link from today from a Detroit paper. It is a ridiculous article though.........reads like one of macs post on this topic. You can tell what articles in the PD they reference (made up news). And quote a has been player from a while ago (Smith). While there are some very valid reasons for trading Rogers, there are some really odd ones too.
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NRTU just a general response to the article. this is the first paragraph from that article: Quote:
As Cleveland continues to rebuild its front office, defensive tackle Shaun Rogers could be one of the key players tied to the personnel decisions the Browns make this off-season. And that could pave Rogers’ way out of town — and possibly back to the Lions.
Read the bold parts.. If Farrah Fawcet could come back to life she might be interested in a guy like me..
Holy smokes, talk about tugging at the heartstrings of thier fans..
Of course the Browns might be interested in trading Rodgers.. of course a possible suiter is Detroit as well as 30 other teams..
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A report in the Plain Dealer speculated Rogers, a three-time Pro Bowler, would be considered as trade bait.
Again, of course he could be considered for a trade... at this point, we had a team that went 5-11.. There are maybe a handful of guys on that team that are untouchable. The rest could be available for trade.....
Just a side note, I didn't see anything in there about Rogers being Unhappy in Cleveland.. did I just miss it?
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My opinion on trading Rogers is that if Mike, Eric and Tom think we are close to being a contender he will be retained and moved to LE.
If they think it will be a few more years, then they might think about trading him for draft picks or a young QB.
The first step this offseason will be to aggressively pursue those players that are FAs on our team that they want back. We all know our areas of weakness and the FO will have more info to go over the roster with a fine tooth comb.
JMO, but with some help at DB, OLB, QB and OL this team could be a contender as soon as 2010.
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Don't hurt yourself with that patting on the back thing Mac.. Seriously, do you think you are the ONLY person on this board that understands that
As if you warning us of such a possibility is a NEW thing that you just "thunk" up on your own..
That's not even close to an original thought. Give us all a little credit.
daman...you miss the point of why I posted "don't fall in love with any player or coach" IN THIS THREAD.
IMO, I believe some are choosing to focus on Roger being so happy in Cleveland because they are in love with Shaun Rogers.
That all...
BTW...I have not read where anyone else posted such a warning...but hey, if you thought it, I guess that's ok too. 
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Mac, just because people arrive at the same conclusion as you that maybe it would be a good idea to trade Rodgers doesn't automatically make it for the same reasons. Your reasons about him being unhappy NOW have absolutely nothing to back them up.
For me it's a case of value. If we can get value for him now and not have a huge drop-off on the field, then I would definitely consider it, as his value will likely drop in a year or two when we're closer to playoff ready.
CBfan...YOU ARE 100% WRONG...
I have posted that Rogers production dropped off this year and the defense did not suffer when Rogers went on IR.
I have stated that Rogers still has value and is tradable
I have posted Rogers contract and articles that also bring up Rogers contract and the fact that Rogers is due something like $7 million in March.
I can't make you read or understand articles I post or what I post as my opinion. I suggest you go back and read all my posts and the articles I posted to support the many reasons why this is the time to trade Rogers (IMO).
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As Cleveland continues to rebuild its front office, defensive tackle Shaun Rogers could be one of the key players tied to the personnel decisions the Browns make this off-season. And that could pave Rogers’ way out of town — and possibly back to the Lions.
Daman...OR..it could pave the way for Rogers to again play for Romeo Crennel in KC, if they are willing to give up that 2nd round pick, the #36 pick of the 2010 draft.
OR...the Browns try to find out how many other teams might be interested in Rogers. If I'm Holmgren or Heckert, I'm dangling Rogers out there seeing what interest he brings.
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daman...you miss the point of why I posted "don't fall in love with any player or coach" IN THIS THREAD.
IMO, I believe some are choosing to focus on Roger being so happy in Cleveland because they are in love with Shaun Rogers.
Holy cow.. Mac is merely trying to save us from bad thinking  I didn't miss anything..
Nobody is focusing on Roger being happy or unhappy but you.., Anything at that has been said on thread regarding that is as a response to you.,, Try putting the horse before the cart..
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BTW...I have not read where anyone else posted such a warning...but hey, if you thought it, I guess that's ok too.
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What you quoted is actually from the article, not me... having said that, your response is as possible as anything..
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Nobody is focusing on Roger being happy or unhappy but you.., Anything at that has been said on thread regarding that is as a response to you.,, Try putting the horse before the cart..
THANK YOU. There are plenty of people that would consider trading Rogers. Everyone's problem is the fact that you're making this assumption that Shaun Rogers is unhappy. Now you're saying that everyone is assuming he is "happy".
My point is, unless i see in an interview with Shaun Rogers sometime recently saying "I'm unhappy in Cleveland" or "I would like to play somewhere else" I dont' think he's unhappy. Do we need Shaun Rogers to come out in an interview and say "Everyone, Mac from the dawgtalkers board is wrong. I am perfectly happy in Cleveland"
Because I prefer to assume that the guy is fine with playing here until he says he isn't. And it's been a year since he's said anything like that. And that Detroit article is BS.
The issue isn't, should we trade Shaun Rogers. The issue is, you keep making this point that Shaun Rogers isn't happy. And You have nothing substantial to back that up with. Nobody is focusing on whether he's happy or unhappy, we're focusing on these BS statements that you're making. You can't say something like that without backing it up.
Otherwise I can just say, Joe Thomas is unhapppy in Cleveland and that's a reason for trading him. (My point being, if you saw me actually make this statement, you'd say. what is this idiot talking about. how is he going to say something like that, where did he get this information from?)
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There are plenty of people that would consider trading Rogers. Everyone's problem is the fact that you're making this assumption that Shaun Rogers is unhappy. Now you're saying that everyone is assuming he is "happy".
You are referring to Mac right..
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You are referring to Mac right..
Definitely Damon, I just liked the way you used the cart and the horse reference. So i posted off your post. We're on the same side on this issue.
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You are referring to Mac right..
Definitely Damon, I just liked the way you used the cart and the horse reference. So i posted off your post. We're on the same side on this issue.
Petey...Did I post something about Rogers contract?
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Definitely Damon, I just liked the way you used the cart and the horse reference. So i posted off your post. We're on the same side on this issue.
Cool,,,,, 
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I have posted Rogers contract and articles that also bring up Rogers contract and the fact that Rogers is due something like $7 million in March.
Your post about Rogers contract said nothing of the sort.
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2009: $2.4 million (+ $6 million option bonus due in March), 2010: $6.9 million,
It says he was due a $6 million bonus last march, and he gets a $6.9 million salary this season.
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Okay Mac I will just start going through your posts and showing you what I take issue with okay? Quote:
IMO, I believe some are choosing to focus on Roger being so happy in Cleveland because they are in love with Shaun Rogers.
That all...
Nobody is focusing on Rogers being happy. You are focusing on him being unhappy. This statement has no base at all
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There was the story in August about Rogers wanting to go back to Detroit...
Shaun Smith: Former Lions DT Shaun Rogers wants to return to Detroit
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Last March, Terry Pluto's article touched on some reasons for Rogers unhappyness...
Terry Pluto's blog: Making Shaun Rogers happy is big challenge for Cleveland Browns
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Petey...IMO, Rogers wants out of Cleveland and it doesn't matter what you claim, it won't change my opinion
Based off what recent news/interview?
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If Holmgren can figure out how to make Rogers happy, GREAT...
...BUT, Shaun Rogers playing below his potential because he doesn't want to be in Cleveland...will not help the Browns achieve their goals going into the 2010 season.
Something to prove he's not happy in the first place?
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........#1 reason Rogers is not happy, Mangini..
..............now we know, Mangini is staying...that is not going to make Rogers happy..
Based off of..............
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IMO, Rogers doesn't want to work hard...doesn't like it in Cleveland...and it appears he did everything he could to provoke a trade last season. I remember something about him saying he wanted to go back to Lions.
Where do you get he doesn't like it in Cleveland? This is from OLD news
This is the issue. I see you have other reasons as to why Rogers should be traded. I have read what you wrote about how he wants a bigger contract like Haynesworth (haven't seen any evidence to back this up except for Terry Pluto from awhile ago) and I've read how he's going to make a lot of money next season but not guarenteed (so he's definitely tradable, but he's still getting 7 million). But I haven't read anything about him being unhappy in Cleveland, currently being unhappy with his contract, or not liking Eric Mangini besides the stupid fight they were in in the beginning of the season.
You tried to back up your statement that Rogers wasn't happy by posting OLD articles. Don't you see the problem Mac?
Those kind of statements about Rogers being unhappy. They're all from OLD articles 
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In other news ..... Conan O'Brien is happy and excited to be taking over an institution such as the Tonight Show, and looks forwards to many great years to come with NBC .......
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First of all, nice job to Petey.. Good job on that, although I'm pretty sure it will fall on deaf ears as they relate to Mac anyway.. Ytown: Quote:
In other news ..... Conan O'Brien is happy and excited to be taking over an institution such as the Tonight Show, and looks forwards to many great years to come with NBC .......
I'm afraid that will be lost on SOME folks.. (at least one of them anyway) But Good one
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In other news ..... Conan O'Brien is happy and excited to be taking over an institution such as the Tonight Show, and looks forwards to many great years to come with NBC .......
This is interesting, but this news is old and out-of-date. You need to find a current article about this topic to find out how Conan feels about NBC now. He is probably doing cartwheels with the exit package he got 
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You are kidding right?
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