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1 - CB Joe Haden - Florida - Day 1 starter
2 - G Mike Iupati - Idaho - Could move to RT, Day 1 starter
3 - G Jon Asamoah - Illinois - adds depth and possibly start at RG
3 - TE Aaron Hernandez - Florida - adds depth, could possibly start
4 - S Myron Rolle - Florida State - very smart, could possibly start
5 - T Sam Young - Notrie Dame - adds depth, could push to start at RT
5 - RB LaGarrette Blount - Oregon
5 - RB Stafon Johnson - USC

i would take this draft in a heartbeat

we need to draft 2 safeties..

I would love this draft if it happened....but I don't think Iupati will get out of the 1st and I don't think Hernandez will get out of the 2nd.

Iupati is a Top 15 pick. Not going to be there in the 2nd.

Hernandez will not be there in the 3rd.

Blount will not be there in the 5th.

Iupati won't be there in the 2nd, but he is not a top 15 pick.

Also not able to move over to RT. The senior bowl practices showed that he isn't very good in space. I think he will be a pro bowl guard someday but at RT I don't think he would be much better than St Claire is right now.

Says who? Just about everyone has him as 3rd best.

One pompadoured guy on ESPN has him rated as the #1 tight end.

Which is just ridiculous. Gresham is a stud.

He'll be fine. Wasn't that bad of a knee injury. Winslow had the staph infection as well.

What people forget about with K2 was that he was a terrible blocker before the knee injury.

there is no need to draft a TE high.. I would not touch one til' the fourth atleast..

TE is an interesting position for us. I think Moore solidified a roster spot with his play last season. But what about Heiden? Solid player (actually I would say better than solid) but he never seemed to completely come back from his injury. Will he this year or is he retirement bound? Gaines looked pretty good at times. A big boy for sure. I think he really helped the run game. But he is one of our unrestricted free agents. Does he want to resign with us? Does the team want to resign him? And of course there is still Dinkins. Only room for so many TE's. And I almost forgot about Estandia. Not sure what to make of him.

Then there is the whole issue of how important MH considers the TE position. Does he want a down the field receiver type guy or a bruising blocker type guy who can also be a redzone threat?

Personally I would resign Gaines. Paired with Moore and 1 or 2 or the other guys mentioned above and I think TE is solid. Not spectacular but good enough to get the job done. I would then utilize my draft choices elsewhere unless a steal fell into my lap. I would rather improve at safety, CB, RT, RG, get a young DE and try to improve our pass rush then draft a TE. I would also like to get one of those bruiser type Rb's later in the draft as well (Hardesty Scott, Tate or Dixon - I like Gerhart too but he will probably go a round or 2 higher than these guys with not much more value). Not to mention the Qb position.

So while we are nowhere near set at TE, I think improving the position is lower on our needs than many others. Never pass up great value but if value is roughly the same then the need is greater elsewhere.

Dinkins is not on this team anymore, so that's one guy you don't have to worry as much about............

But I will be interested in what happens between Estandia, Gaines, and Heiden. None of the new TE's show themselves as superstars. But they're both very big guys that are good at blocking and very large targets. Estandia is very tall and both have decent hands. I believe Gaines seemed a little more sure handed than Estandia (i think I remember him dropping one). Neither is going to run a very quick route for you, these guys are both better at blocking. But I believe that Estandia is better at getting open, I remember him going over the middle a few times. I don't mind either being on our roster.

I don't think any of their jobs are guarenteed, and we could draft a TE from round 2-7 which would replace all of these guys. But Moore definitely has to be the starter unless Steve Heiden comes out really strong or a rookie/FA is brought in (which would make him number 2).

And we could possibly cut Steve Heiden if he doesn't come back strong from his injury. He is kind of old. I just don't see more than three TE's on the roster. Dinkins finished this season on the NO Saints and Heiden is 33, plus this team's best football was without Heiden on the roster.

I agree that TE will be an interesting position.

And I hope that we cut Robert Royal. He simply dropped way too many passes. He's okay at getting open but makes himself too convincing for the QB to throw him the football. Then they throw it and he drops it or hits it in the air and the other team gets an INT. Robert Royal is a good runblocker, but he was absolutely unreliable last year. I guess it's Eric Mangini's decision what to do with him, but if he keeps him on this team, he cannot be used the same way as a target.

I don't see how we can possibly rely on Moore.

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I don't see how we can possibly rely on Moore.

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I don't see how we can ignore his contribution.. he was activated on Dec 5th of 2009... Played in 5 games, had 12 receptions for 158 years or a 13 yard average.

While that isn't a story book tale, it's intersting in that some of his catches were rather tough to make, yet he made them look easy. I just happen to think there is more to this kid...

Not that I know for sure he's the answer.. but he's not bad..

I am not ignoring his production.

What is being ignored by others is his history of injuries and the fact that he only showed something for about a quarter of a season. In no way is that enough of a sample size to see if he will be a productive player.

First of all, Moore has had huge injury problems, which is the reason the Packers cut him in the first place. I doubt he will do anything differently that will improve these.

Second of all, there are tons of players who don't get developed well, many of whom have much more talent than Moore.

Last but not least, a team needs more than one tight end. Heiden is pretty much done, and Royal is straight up awful.

I'm not saying TE is our biggest priority, but it is definitely a need.

Harrison has missed time due to injuries each year, with limited playing time.

The facts speak for themselves.

I have always said that there is a place for Harrison on the Browns, but it's not as the feature back.

I swear, reading comprehension.

But can you rely on him without bringing in another option?

The answer is no.

Well I say yes, because I've seen TE's come out of nowhere and become stars for their team. It takes patience, the Browns won't be good for awhile so we might as well develop guys for now.

It's one thing to develop, it's another to go into a season with zero backup plan to a guy that is very risky.

DC - I agree. The value has to be there, but I can't see how anyone is comfortable going into the season with Moore at tight end.

Exactly, he's a 3rd stringer. Even IF Moore can develop enough to be a starter at tight end, depth is still needed.

That's all I'm saying here.

What I'm trying to get at is that we don't need to draft a TE. Plain and simple, if we REALLY need depth then just sign some guy in FA.

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DC - I agree. The value has to be there, but I can't see how anyone is comfortable going into the season with Moore at tight end.

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I'm not real comfortable with that.. so put that on the long list of things I'm not comfortable with at the moment.. I'm always weary of signing aging veterans, even at a decent price, but this is one case where I'd be very much in favor of that. Find me a solid (not stud) TE who has 2 or 3 years left in the tank and sign him... that would buy us an insurance policy to see what we really have in Moore and give us the ability to fill other holes that I think are more crucial right now... deal?

Deal.

During the draft we can have a lot of things on our mind. We will have 11 picks and possibly more (free agent compensation/trades etc.) If we don't take a TE at some point I will be disappointed.

Read what I write. I said we have much bigger needs, but that doesn't mean we should ignore TE.

When I said Dinkins I meant Royal. I always get those 2 confused. When we did have Dinkins I think I actually called him Royal at times. Thanks for the pickup.

I am more than ok with Moore, Gaines (needs to be resigned), Estandia, Heiden (if healthy) and Royal in some some combination. We don't need depth. If we draft a TE it should be a stud, otherwise why? And I think we have too many other holes that are bigger and more important. Get a steal take it otherwise go in a different direction.