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. . . and it's PHIL SAVAGE. Ineresting . . . .

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Eagles Name Former GM Savage Draft Consultant

Thursday, February 4, 2010

The Eagles have named former NFL personnel evaluator Phil Savage as a player personnel consultant for this year’s draft.

Savage will assist new general manager Howie Roseman and director of player personnel Ryan Grigson. A native and resident of Alabama, Savage served as a color analyst for Crimson Tide Sports Network last year and will focus on evaluating draft prospects in the Southeast.

Savage, 44, spent the previous four years as senior vice president and general manager of the Cleveland Browns.

“This is a great opportunity for me to get back in the NFL,” Savage said in a statement released by the team. “I’m really excited about the role the Eagles have afforded me and I’m ready to help Howie and the rest of their scouting staff in the best way I possibly can.”

Before rejoining the Browns – he was a defensive assistant and scout for Cleveland in the early 1990s – Savage spent nine years in the Ravens’ personnel department.

“I’ve always admired the work Phil Savage has done,” Roseman said. “Phil is an excellent talent evaluator, and having an extra set of eyes for us to utilize will definitely help our scouting staff as we prepare for the draft. He’s spent time working on the 2010 draft class already, so Ryan and I thought it is was a slam dunk when the opportunity was there for us to add him to our staff.”

Savage was a quarterback for University of the South in Tennessee before becoming a graduate assistant at Alabama.

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“Phil is an excellent talent evaluator, and having an extra set of eyes for us to utilize will definitely help our scouting staff as we prepare for the draft.




When asked why he traded a future 1st round pick to draft Brady Quinn, Phil Savage responded saying that he wasn't that high on next years Quarterback class.

That class would include Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

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eh, not a big deal. he had said before he was going to mobile even without a job for his scouting and made it known his services were available. he's still a good scout so it speaks to the quality of the org that they use him as a consultant to supplement their knowledge.

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Savage did some good here. - Cribbs, Joe Thomas, Jerome Harrison, Vickers, D'qwell - all Savage guys.

His biggest mistake was drafting Braylon. - Verdict not in yet about Quinn.

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Good for Savage.. I wish him well...


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I agree. I'm not sure the guy was up to GM duties, but I have to think he knew his background on guys. He seemed to really love the scouting aspect of things.


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Good for Savage...

I always liked Phil and thought he really tried to do the best job he could for the Browns.



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I agree. I'm not sure the guy was up to GM duties, but I have to think he knew his background on guys. He seemed to really love the scouting aspect of things.



Yeah, he was in over his head. He belongs as a director of college scouting, just as long as someone else handles QB's, because he blew it with Frye, blew it with his love of Russel, and appears to have blown it with Quinn.

As a contract scout for the Eagles, sure, he has good eyes, but beyond that he can't land a good job in the league. That tells everyone all they need to know about how poorly Savage really grades out.


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As a contract scout for the Eagles, sure, he has good eyes, but beyond that he can't land a good job in the league.




I don't know... considering how much Lerner is still paying him, maybe he's not trying all that hard to find a new gig just yet.


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He actually was looking pretty hard but didn't get any sniffs before last year. I remember the PFT articles talking about his troubles.


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People always talk about how Lerner messed up hiring Phil and Romeo, but my question is, is it his fault?

The patriots had just won 3 superbowls thanks in big part to their Defense, coached by Romeo, someone was going to hire him, it just happened to be us.

And I'm sure everyone Randy asked told him Phil was a great FO guy and would be a GM someday.

What was he supposed to do? Who knows who can do what until they prove it or not.

Then you have a 10-6 season and everyones singing praises and let's lock them up...oops.

I dunno, I just think Randy gets a bad rap for something he never planned on running in the first place.

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He belongs as a director of college scouting




Agreed. He'd be great at such a post. I think we saw in Phil, the "Peter Principle" at work. Under Ozzie in Balto, he could flourish, and was in his element. As GM of a dysfunctional team (and with no Oz-type boss above him) he'd risen to his level of incompetence.

Maybe under the structure we currently have in place, he might have gotten better overall performance grades... but not with the setup he was handed.

Since Holmgren was hired, I've thought a lot about Phil and RAC... and I've wondered if either (or both, simultaneously) could have flourished with a true "Big Dawg" overseeing all. For sure, that ship has sailed... but for me, it's at least fun to speculate.

PS will probably do well in his new role, since it's tailored to his abilities. I wish him well.


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Savage did some good here. - Cribbs, Joe Thomas, Jerome Harrison, Vickers, D'qwell - all Savage guys.

His biggest mistake was drafting Braylon. - Verdict not in yet about Quinn.




Did he really make a mistake on Braylon? Couldn't have predicted his injury and we saw how special that guy was when we were building a winning team. I actually think he was a product of the inconsistent management of the team...although he didn't help in Romeo losing his job.

Verdict is in on Quinn and he just isn't a starter. Don't think Savage was terrible here, think he was a good draft guy who was in over his head.


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His biggest mistake was drafting Braylon.




Donte Stallworth and Corey Williams were also pretty bad unless you're just talking about draft picks.

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I tend to feel that while Leon will get the most negative attention, it was Savage's investment and belief in Frye that really hurt the team. Really, I don't believe Edwards was quite as bad as the mistake with Frye and the lack of impact players on defense. After several seasons the only real 'backer is Jackson, and he's undersized and out of build for the 3-4.

Getting back to Frye, the issue isn't one of "just" a 3rd round guy not panning out. The ultimate negative effect is cumulative, as not only did we waste a 3rd rounder on a player that can't establish himself as a #2 in the NFL, but we also wasted three seasons on him. And yes, even though he only started one game before he was dumped in favor of Derek Anderson, those were three years wasted on planning on Frye being the man. While that was happening, other QB's had been drafted and developed.

Regarding Quinn, the book on him isn't completely written, but he's standing at the same precipice that Frye was shoved off of at the exact same timeline in his career. It will take very little to call Quinn a failure, and a TON before he can be called a success.

Savage did some ok things here, but when the entire body of work is evaluated, he was a failure.


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People always talk about how Lerner messed up hiring Phil and Romeo, but my question is, is it his fault?





When people have said that we need to dump the owner (as if that's gonna happen) I have to laugh..

Look at those folks that Lerner has hired.

Collins, an exec with the League, had the credentials to be club Pres..

Savage: Worked his way up from an intern and all indications were that he was ready to step up

RAC: The man has what, 5 Superbowl rings as an assistant.. 3 as a DC.. Yeah, that looked like a solid hire..

Kokanis: maybe not the same track record as Savage but was hand picked by Mangini...

Mangini: 2 winning seasons and 1 losing season as HC of the Jets.. Also someone that Lerner had met when RAC was hired. Remember, the Browns offered Mangini the DC job here but he stayed with the Pats.

Of all of those, the biggest question mark was maybe Mangini,, but our new Pres comes in and retains him and his staff.. At the very least, that shows that Mangini has cred with Holmgren..

That is why I think that those that wanted Randy to sell are just being short sighted and emotional....


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Good for Phil,

he did bring back alot of history & tradition to this franchise.

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thought he really tried to do the best job he could for the Browns.




So did John St.Clair, and I dont like him. Opie made some massive mistakes, ones which I think are inexcusable as GM. I do not wish him well nor do I want him to succeed in the NFL.


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His biggest mistake was drafting Braylon.




Donte Stallworth and Corey Williams were also pretty bad unless you're just talking about draft picks.




He had his share of clunkers. Wimbley and Baba for Ngata with a division rival stunk too.

I think one of the picks he sent to Dallas for Quinn found it's way to Philly and they took Kolb. That's not something he'll put on his resume either.

I liked Phil. He was fan friendly .**** *** go root for Buffalo!

IMO his undoing was trying to do too much himself and the mirage of 07.

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I know Phil Made mistakes,, but he also did some good things

Vickers
Harrison
DQ Jackson
Wright


Trading for:
Rogers

Picking up off the FA list:
Jamal Lewis

Shouldn't that balance the scales a little.. I mean if all you do is look at the mistakes people make without regard to the good things they've done, then none of us woujld stack up very well,,

Try a little balance maybe...


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agreed....he did some good things. he did some bad things.

his undoing though was acting unprofessionally....the email, the Winslow incident....you just cannot do that in the PR-conscious NFL.


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His undoing,if you will,was that after 4 years his team was no better than his predecessor's.


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His signing DA to that ridiculous contract when everyone saw his limit, was a massive mistake. Sorry Damon, no matter way you slice, he screwed up royally.

No matter any way you look at it, moron mistake for a moron.

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IMO his undoing was trying to do too much himself and the mirage of 07.




I think you hit the nail on the head there. The mirage of 07 led him to believe we were closer to a good team than we really were. Instead of continuing to build he did what other close teams do which is mortgage part of the future to win now. We are still paying for that.

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As a GM, let's face it, he sucks. But he must have done something right before he became a GM just to get into that position in the first place, and, perhaps in a lesser role he could be useful.

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