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Sorry, I did come across as a bit of an idiot. Not worked up at all. Just pointing something out.

I disagree with that most of the time.

There is one exception that I know of though.

I can even drive.

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How bout Wooten if he falls to the 2nd round?

Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern
Corey Wootton is a mountain of a man at 6'7" 270 pounds. He would be an ideal fit for a 3-4 defense as a space-filling run stuffer who can also open blitzing lanes for outside linebackers and safeties.

How about this guy, Jared Veldheer ROT, don't know anything about him except for this article:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1053376

j/c

read this and was interested

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-02-19/prospect-profile-ryan-mathews-rb-fresno-state

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Sporting News' Pro Football War Room has hundreds of player evaluations in preparation for the 2010 NFL draft . Here is a capsule look at prospect Ryan Mathews.

NFL position: RB
Height: 5-11
Weight: 220
40 time: 4.50
Current projection: Second-round pick
NFL comparison: Kevin Jones, Bears

Inside running: Is a powerful inside runner with great pad level, leverage and balance through the hole. Gets downhill fast, and looks to run through contact. Keeps feet moving, and falls forward after contact. Is better at breaking high arm tackles than withstanding contact around his feet. Can dip shoulder with quick lateral move in hole to make a defender miss. Grade: 8.5

Outside running: Is much more effective as a north/south runner. Runs best when he can get to the perimeter and turn shoulders downhill. Lacks elite speed to consistently gain the edge or outrun angles for defenders. Looks to run over would-be tacklers near the sideline rather than try to make them miss. Is not creative or elusive in the open field. Grade: 7.5

Blocking: Can be a devastating blocker in pass protection, especially against a blitzing safety or linebacker. Keeps shoulders square, rolls hips and uncoils body into pass rushers. Shows sufficient skills to play immediately on third downs. Grade: 8.5

Hands/routes: Shows soft hands and ability to adjust to off-target passes. Is most effective on screens and checkdowns. Is more likely to break a tackle than evade anyone on wheel, swing or angle routes. Grade: 8.0

Durability: Is strong and powerful. Runs behind his pads with great lower-body flexibility, nimble feet and balance to bounce off tackle attempts. Wears down defenders. Runs with square shoulders and a strong stride. Shows exceptional toughness, but little elusiveness. Grade: 7.0

Bottom line: Mathews, a first-year starter as a junior in '09, lost playing time to other backs late in the season. He has the body and athletic ability to excel, especially for a team seeking a sledgehammer inside back. He will become a complete player who lacks Pro Bowl-caliber speed and ability, but he should have a solid career. Mathews has the chance to play right away on third down because of his ability to pass protect. We should be paired with an undersized, fast and explosive back.

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Curious as to why he "lost playing time to other backs late in the season".

Also, he was just a one year starter. Did somebody come out in the draft last year who had been holding him back? Why didn't he start as a sophomore?

Thanks for doing the homework

He sounds like a good one. I would love to get him in the 3rd but from what I have been reading he looks like he is projected to the middle of round 2. Perhaps we trade down in round 1 and pick an extra pick in round 2 because I am not sure I want to go Rb at the top of round 2. I think there will be options I prefer with our round 2 pick because we could get Hardesty, Tate, Dixon or Scott later in the draft without that much of a difference in talent (from what I have been reading).

a bit afraid of the Lee Suggs factor with all the injuries.

I can only find the one injury.

I still like this guy in the 3rd. If he is there in the top of the 4th we have to take him.

Toby Gerhart
Runningback

Stanford

Senior

Ht: 6’ 1” 235 lbs.

Strengths: Strength, toughness, Power, Vision, Patience, Explosiveness, Blocking, nose for the end zone.

Weaknesses: Not much at all, speed is a question mark, but he looks very fast on the field.

Early projections make the 2010 NFL Draft the “Year of the Big Back” as seniors LeGarrette Blount of Oregon, Charles Scott from LSU and Toby Gerhart out of Stanford and junior Jonathon Dwyer of Georgia Tech are listed as some of the best backs available for next year. All four are at least 230 lbs and all four could potentially be franchise backs at the next level.

Only the fifth Stanford RB to reach 1,000 yards, Gerhart proved his status as a top prospect by running for 101-yards and a TD against USC and 103-yards with a TD against Cal last season (both Cardinal losses), finishing the year on a strong note for the 5-7 Cardinals. For the year, Gerhart had 8 100-yard games, including a 152-yard, 2 TD game against Oregon State and 138-yards and 2 TD in a close loss to UCLA, 23-20. Gerhart’s 1,136 yards set the school record.

His 2007 season became a wash due to a knee injury, but he gave a glimpse of his potential after cruising for 141-yards and a TD on only 12 carries against San Jose State in his only action of that year. In 2006, he was Stanford’s second leading rusher with 403-yards.

A power back with excellent speed, Gerhart is simply too powerful for many LB and especially defensive backs to handle. He runs with no fear and can surprise defenders with a good burst through the middle. Able to plow through defenders or bounce of them, Gerhart possesses the sound feet and balance to keep plays alive, pushing forward for extra yards with defenders draped over him. Lacks an extra, breakaway gear but has the speed to get outside and makes life miserable for corners trying to bring him down. Shows great patience in letting the play develop and the vision to find a crease. His strength carries over into pass protection and he’s already proficient in this area.

Gerhart has solid hands and can catch the ball out of the backfield. As Stanford’s lone offensive threat, Gerhart routinely had to face extra defenders in the box looking to slow him down. Few succeeded as he was credited with only 40 yards for loss on the entire season.

A member of the Stanford baseball team as well, Gerhart will need to ease team’s minds that he is focused solely on football but it seems like football is where his career is taking him. Gerhart lacks the burst and explosiveness to make him truly elite as a prospect and will likely keep him from being an early selection. In the open-field he has few moves but does possess a little wiggle in him to at least keep from taking huge hits. As he continues to develop, he will learn to harness his power even better, a scary thought for future opponents.

Not as flashy as other backs and not at the level of Dwyer, who could be one of the best backs to enter the NFL, don’t sleep on Gerhart. He’s expected to carry the ball 25 times a game in 2009 and his stats should rise once again. He may not be a Heisman candidate but an injury free season and more solid games against big boys like USC, Cal and UCLA should assure Gerhart of at least a second round pick come next April.

Toby Gerhart Update:

As predicted, a rise in Gerhart’s carries (18 to 24 per game) has given a rise in Gerhart’s production. He leads the nation in touchdown runs by a large margin with 27 TDs and he is currently ranked second in the nation in rushing with 311 carries for 1,736 yards. He is in the hunt for the Heisman Trophy and looks to me like a legitimate late first/ early second round selection in the 2010 NFL Draft.

He has great hands and can catch the ball out of the back field as good as any of the smaller scat backs, the only thing that might cause him to slip into the 3rd or 4th round is if he has a mediocre run at the NFL Scouting Combine.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html

Being on the left coast I caught a bunch of Stanford games. Gerhart was a beast.

I don't understand the references to 2007 games, Stanford beat Washington, USC, UCLA, Arizona and Norte Dame last year. The wins against USC and Oregon were quality games, and Gerhart shined.

I would take Andrew Luck as QB anyday. He has a bright future.

Sure, I want to see his 40 time, but that is really the only question.

He just seems like a "Cleveland Browns" type player to me.

Speed is probably 4.5 to 4.6 range. Nothing special.

Determination on the other hand...I like.

I like him a lot. He reminds me of a young Jamal Lewis.

Touchdown Toby from Stanford? That does sound vaguely familiar.

He does seem to be a Cleveland kinda guy.. why do you think he'll drop to the 3rd or maybe even the 4th,

I'd rather have Blount over Gerhart... I think Blount is a little faster..

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I'd rather have Blount over Gerhart... I think Blount is a little faster..

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Is Blount the guy that got into trouble this past year....

Yes, he is.

I'm not a big Gerhart fan. I think his future is at fullback or as a situational player like Brian Leonard.

Most of the mocks i've seen have him somewhere in the 3rd.
If his 40 time is a little slow, he could drop.

Schmidt. Another pretty good comparison.

And for the record, my opinion has nothing to due with race.

Schmidt? I figured he was refering to Jacob Hester................

Yup, I confused myself. Both fullbacks from the same draft. And it was early.

Toby Gerhart is a tail back.

I wasn't talking about Gerhart, and it's sounding like he'll be a fullback in the NFL.

He was in college.

He wasn't a fullback in college. Owen Marecic was Gerhart's fullback. And he is the top rated fullback in the 2011 draft. Gerhart dotted the I.

Your reading comp fails. He was a running back in college, but will likely play FB in the NFL.

Right. Why would he be a fullback in the NFL? You are dead wrong on this one. He is 6-1, 235 lbs and will run a 4.5 forty. He ran the ball successfully as a tailback at Stanford and in high school.

I Googled "2010 NFL Draft" then looked at all the top searched sites for running back rankings. Not one of them even mention Gerhart as a fullback. He has the size, speed, and athleticism to be a tail back. The only reason you say he is a fullback is because he is white.

CBS Sports

NFL Draft Dog

NFL Draft Scout

FF Toolbox

Draft Countdown

Walter Football

Footballs Future

National Football Post

Until last week Scott Wright had him as a FB. He changed it because it was creating too much controversy.

I can't prove that he won't be a full time RB, but he won't. He'll be a tweener at best.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I heard a lot of people who think Gerhart will need to be converted to Fullback. They site his speed or rather lack there of. As of I now I would say we don't know how fast his 40 time is. But we should come next week when the combine takes place.

Personally I love his running style. He is tough to bring down and slipperier in the hole than most people give him credit for. He is a tough kid and I think a perfect fit for the Browns and an excellent compliment for the running style of Harrison.

One of Gerhart's problems is the comparison to "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell which I think is totally unfounded except that they are both big backs from Stanford. If you pay attention to both players there running style is pretty different.

The only reason people compare them is because they are both white tailbacks.

I've said before, Gerhart reminds me of a young Jamal Lewis.