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This is a tough one.
I'm more convinced now than ever that if we can get Bradford (even if we have to trade up a spot or two, which would be possible) that we need to roll the dice.
Its simple, if he is the only potential franchise Quarterback that will be available over the next few drafts we need to take the gamble.
The longer we go, the I more think, the more clear it gets. We need our Franchise Guy. Brady, Donovan, Hasslebeck are not the answer.
Otto Graham and Bernie (and possibly Brian Sipe depending on your opinion). That's it. You may say we can't take the chance, it will set us back years. I don't think we can afford not to take the chance. Options?
Holmgren seems to be taking this rebuilding the Browns thing serious. He has many pieces in place.
Except one big one.
(An elite head coach possibly being another)
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Its simple, if he is the only potential franchise Quarterback that will be available over the next few drafts we need to take the gamble.
If his shoulder isn't healthy he isn't a franchise QB. Also, what world are you living in? The only franchise QB that will be available over the next few drafts? Jake Locker might have gone before him in this year's draft. Also, guys like Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert will be coming out possibly.
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The longer we go, the more I think, makes it clear. We need our Franchise Guy.
Thank you for stating the obvious. And pretty much repeating what Holmgren has said in all his public statements.
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You would hope so.
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No need to be a jerk to him. He didn't say anything stupid, and he raises a good point.
The fact is that we desperately need a new QB. Quinn was almost as bad as DA this year, and DA had the worst QB season that I've ever seen by a Browns QB.
I really like Bradford. I think that he is not only the best QB prospect this year, but that he is also better than Stafford and Locker.
He is extremely accurate. He puts the ball right on the money virtually every play. His decision making and reads are uncanny. He doesn't have a rocket arm, but his accuracy and smarts more than make up for it IMO.
He is a great prospect if his shoulder is in good shape. I know this is the taboo comparison, and I'm not the first one to bring it up, but he is almost similar to Peyton was as prospect.
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Similar in terms of release, coachability, arm-strength, and accuracy, yes.
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If his shoulder isn't healthy he isn't a franchise QB.
Some very encouraging reports coming out about his shoulder recently.
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Also, what world are you living in?
The planet of opinion that states the quarterbacks you are about to mention below don't have anywhere near the brains, presence, or accuracy of passing that Bradford has.
Not even close.
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The longer we go, the more I think, makes it clear. We need our Franchise Guy.
Thank you for stating the obvious. And pretty much repeating what Holmgren has said in all his public statements.
???  ...your welcome...I guess
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You would hope so.
Thanks for the wisdom.
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He does have a much smaller forehead.
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I love Bradford. Assuming his shoulder checks out, if he is there at #7 I take him without a second thought.
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Sorry man, now you are sounding goofy. I don't think he is anywhere the prospect of Peyton....and I doubt many do.
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Tim Tebow on the other hand...a left handed Peyton Manning.
Just kidding.
I think comparing any QB that hasn't played a single down in the NFL to Peyton Manning is unfair. Manning was the Colts unquestioned starter from day one, while it seems like Bradford will have to sit for at least a little bit. Manning played in a pro system at Tennessee, Bradford played in the spread.
If Bradford is as smart as some people say he is, then I think the only quality of Bradford's you can compare to Manning is his smarts. Luckily we have the ultra-reliable Wonderlic to tell us if Bradford is as smart as Manning.
I said it in a different thread, I hope both Bradford and Clausen are both gone when we pick so we can't pick either. And it sounds like that may be the case with the Rams hot on Bradford's trail.
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I'm not saying he's on quite the same level, but in many ways, it is a valid comparison, and I have heard others say the same.
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He's a good qb, but what's to say that he's better than Quinn. Heck, we don't even know what we have in Quinn. - That's my opinion, Holmgren and co. may agree with you.
Personally, I want another O-lineman. - We need more and they are don't bust out as much as qb's do.
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but he is almost similar to Peyton was as prospect.
Sorry man, now you are sounding goofy. I don't think he is anywhere the prospect of Peyton....and I doubt many do.
He has Peyton Manning type accuracy. That's not even debatable.
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He's a good qb, but what's to say that he's better than Quinn. Heck, we don't even know what we have in Quinn. - That's my opinion, Holmgren and co. may agree with you.
Personally, I want another O-lineman. - We need more and they are don't bust out as much as qb's do.
I think we have a gist of what Quinn can do.
Whatever Holmgren decides, I'm with him.
you had a good run Hank.
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Whatever Holmgren decides, I'm with him.
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I will not be like that at all. If Holmgren does something I don't like, you will hear about it.
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I will not be like that at all. If Holmgren does something I don't like, you will hear about it.
I was referring to the QB decision only.
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you had a good run Hank.
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but he is almost similar to Peyton was as prospect.
Sorry man, now you are sounding goofy. I don't think he is anywhere the prospect of Peyton....and I doubt many do.
'Peen my man, you're becoming quite the Homer 
First it's your Gator-colors showing, and now your Tennessee roots, hehe.
Just kiddin'..........
Bradford isn't on the same level of prospect as Manning. The reasons are three-fold:
1) That shoulder. James Andrews has given him all the positive signs, but Manning never was hurt.
2) The offensive schemes. Manning played in something much closer to an NFL system, while Bradford took snaps under center mostly as a true freshman. Now he's taken more snaps from center than people have been led to believe, but it's different than what Manning did.
3) Experience. Manning played through his Senior year. Bradford hasn't started nearly as many games nor taken nearly as many snaps.
Now the physical tools are very comparable. Both showed great accuracy, lightning-quick releases, very good smarts, excellent demeanor's which means they are both very coachable, and rather average arms in terms of NFL ball.
It's fair to say that Bradford is a similar prospect to Manning, but clearly there are more question marks. All the things you need to see in a prospect exist in Bradford. With him, it's more about trusting the evaluation process than it is watching film. He is a COMPLETELY different kind of prospect than a guy like Josh Freeman, who has all the physical tools but never showed the things Bradford did.
I think when the draft gets here, Bradford is going to clearly be the #1 QB, which bums me out because I want no part of even considering drafting Clausen.
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Geesh, he sure seems accurate as can be...
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My wish is that Holmgren and Co. see something in one of the other QBs we can get in the 2nd or beyond and they end up kicking butt and leading us for years to come. OK, I'm sure everybody would want that.
Is there any word on what all Bradford is having to do about his shoulder? Surgery? Rehab? Is he going to Drew Brees's doc to have it turned into another Superman arm? He's definitely the most desirable in this draft outside of the shoulder issue.
I have no confidence that Quinn will pan out whatsoever, but I'm still for keeping him if it means not reaching in the draft or overpaying a free agent.
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It doesn't get any worse when you watch entire games either. I spent yesterday watching two games from his 2008 season.
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Wow.. impressive.
I know this is gonna be like stating the obvious,, The thing I noticed in the Superbowl is that both Manning and Brees are about as accurate and smart as they come. Niether seemed to have this big strong cannon for an arm but the ball got to where it was intended, on time and in the right place to be caught.
Makes me wonder why some teams have an infatuation with strong cannon type arms like Jamarcus Russell?
Quinn has enough arm,,, and he's not a dumb guy,,, is there a way of improving his accuracy or is it one of those "you either have it or you don't" kinda things.. JUst wondering
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Once you get to this point in the NFL, it is extremely hard to improve accuracy. This is especially true for someone like Quinn who has good footwork/mechanics. He just doesn't seem to have it.
Teams are infatuated with the big arms because they are helpful. A QB can make a lot more plays and fit the ball into tighter spaces if he has a rocket arm.
Where teams go wrong is ranking arm strength ahead of accuracy, like what happened with Russell. Big Ben has a very strong arm, and that helps him out quite a bit. But he also has the accuracy.
A QB can be great without a cannon arm, but he can't be good without accuracy.
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Wow.. impressive.
I know this is gonna be like stating the obvious,, The thing I noticed in the Superbowl is that both Manning and Brees are about as accurate and smart as they come. Niether seemed to have this big strong cannon for an arm but the ball got to where it was intended, on time and in the right place to be caught.
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The most significant thing that hit me this year in the playoffs was accuracy. Probably because of many discussions on this board.
The first big hit was watching Rogers and Warner. Unbelievable! Compared to what we are used to, these two guys were amazing. But, not as amazing as Warner and Brees. That blew me away. Every throw, every one spot on. This game was a clinic on deadly accurate passing.
Then, I turn the Colts game on and I realize after 5 throws that Manning is a notch better than either of them.
Do we need an accurate, elite level QB to get our hands on a Lombardi?
Thus, the reason why I posted this thread.
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You can't teach accuracy at this age. And it's really not even about footwork IMO. It's about when he was a little boy and was throwing rocks at a mailbox and only hit 4 out a 10. Half of Mannings throws in the SB were off his back foot. You either have it or you don't... If you have it you can throw it from any arm angle... any position. My two guys are Sam Bradford and Zac Robinson. Robinson in the later rounds of course. I'll jump over to the other thread and pimp him..
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I don't want to demean Bradford on the basis of one highlight video, but that looked a lot like a bunch of short crossing patterns with a lot of YAC by some gifted receivers. The few deeper balls that were shown were accurate, but they did flutter a bit. I saw some Joe Montana in Bradford's rollout passes.
Regarding Quinn, this is just one non-scout's opinion, but I wish someone would tell him to lay off the upper body weight lifting, and concentrate on flexibility and fluidness. He throws like a bodybuilder ... a short, choppy throwing motion with lots of downward action on his spirals. I like a QB to be built more like a swimmer than a weightlifter.
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Then don't do it man! 
Here's a hint from a guy who has been doing this a long time........
You're absolutely right about the short crosses. In that offense Bradford wasn't asked to be a vertical passer as much as he will be in the NFL. That's why using highlight video's is such a dangerous thing to use, as it'll make any player look great. All it shows are good things, not bad.
Here's what people should be looking for when they watch highlight films. It isn't the results, but the tools.
Don't watch Bradford make a 10-yard out throw that goes for a 30-yard TD and say he made a great play. Watch his play-action ability and the speed of the release and the accuracy of the pass. THAT'S what's important.
Regarding the question with Quinn's accuracy, you hit on something which is a common phenomenon amongst people who try and diagnose things. When a player struggles, they want to see things that need to be fixed, and often start to reach a little in doing so. You aren't the first one to say that Quinn has done too much weight lifting and not enough flexibility work to be an effective QB.
Horsefeathers I say *L*
Quinn isn't any more or less accurate now than he was as a smaller, more wirier guy.
He just isn't that accurate. He never was. He simply had big windows to throw into in college. He doesn't have those here.
Now in general terms of whether or not a QB can become more accurate, the answer is yes..........and no. Familiarity with players and systems will make a QB more accurate in terms of results but it won't make him more accurate in terms of evaluation as an individual. This means Quinn's numbers would go up as he builds familiarity with his receivers, but he'll never be an accurate QB beyond the short stuff and the intermediate stuff right in front of him. What we see of Quinn now is what he'll always be. We either have to adapt the system and players to fit what he does well while eliminating the things he can't do, or we have to scrap him and find a QB who has all the tools to be a good NFL starter.
Quinn will never have the accuracy of a guy like Bradford. Never. Can't happen. He wasn't born with it and can't develop it. We bought fools gold with this guy. Oh well.
Bradford is an excellent prospect for the WCO. I say he's even better than Clausen despite the fact Clausen has supposedly been running it for a couple of years.
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From that video,I saw a guy that would make one helluva dart thrower,but not much of a qb.
For the poster that mentioned Quinn's mech.please.
He has avg. mech and poor footwork.As athletically gifted as he is,he doesn't drop back well,and throws off his back foot way too often.
The qb coach has been here several years,so he must be doing something right,but damn we have the worse two technical qb's in the league.
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I said mechanics, not footwork. His mechanics are good. His footwork is awful.
And the Browns just got a new QB coach last offseason.
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I watch any Oklahoma game I can..awalys have liked the Sooners so I know about their players very well..
Bradford is a extremely intelligent ,accurate QB..not talking about recievers making him look good..I mean he puts the ball where it needs to go so they can make the easy catch..he has a quick stroke and dispite not having a cannon arm he is a good prospect..already better than what the Browns have.
I have concerns with him..
I'm always suspicious of QBs who put up big numbers running a spread offense .. Bradford had an NFL caliber offensive line last year and could take all day to throw.
What about in the NFL? He may not get that luxury now...
And there's the durability issue. And the fact that a freshman stepped in after he was hurt and put up good numbers in that offense is interesting..unless that guy is really good...
Second ..where does MH see this?
Does he want to spend his first pick on a Bradford if he was sitting there or does he want to bring in a lower round prospect?
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"This is especially true for someone like Quinn who has good footwork/mechanics. He just doesn't seem to have it. "
I must apologize.I read that as you saying Quinn has good footwork/mechanics.
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I must apologize.I read that as you saying Quinn has good footwork/mechanics.
How the hell did you get that from what you quoted?
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You can't teach accuracy at this age. And it's really not even about footwork IMO. It's about when he was a little boy and was throwing rocks at a mailbox and only hit 4 out a 10. Half of Mannings throws in the SB were off his back foot. You either have it or you don't... If you have it you can throw it from any arm angle... any position. My two guys are Sam Bradford and Zac Robinson. Robinson in the later rounds of course. I'll jump over to the other thread and pimp him..
Funny that we are interested in the same college QBs. I definitely feel like QB is key for a team to have success. Bradford might be able to come in and immediately upgrade the QB position. I believe that Robinson might be able to do it in a year or two..........
What I do know is that Quinn and DA are not going to do it. Team's figured out Anderson and Quinn is an innaccurate quarterback. If Holmgren determines that Bradford can do it, I would have no problem with him at number 7. I like to think about other guys and other positions, but if Bradford can come in and be successful, it would have a bigger impact than any other position.
And if we are successful next year without a QB, it's going to be more difficult to get a top-notch QB in the future because we won't necessarily get our top pick.
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And the fact that a freshman stepped in after he was hurt and put up good numbers in that offense is interesting..
Landry Jones didn't play that well. I watched most of their games this year. He has badly padded numbers against pathetic teams, then played terribly against good teams.
Example: They played Idaho State (Idaho freakin' State?!?! ) and Tulsa back-to-back. The combined scores: 109 to 0. Jones had 9 TD's and 3 INT's.
Against good teams like Texas and Nebraska he had 1 TD and 7 INT's.
Now if you are looking at his overall numbers and suggesting the spread helped inflate Bradfords numbers, I would completely agree with that. However, Jones didn't play that well this year. He did well against really bad teams but got owned against solid teams.
So what conclusions should be drawn from that? It'd make sense to evaluate Bradford against good teams, not the bad ones.
He played the following good teams in 2008: TCU, Texas, OK State, Nebraska, and Texas Tech. His combined numbers against those teams:
22 TD's and 3 INT's.
So, if we're talking about how the spread can help certain QB's put up gaudy stats, that's one conversation. But if we're comparing Landry's production to Bradford's, using how each played against good teams tells the real tale. 
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hey now... Jared Allen played for the bengals. As did the great Merril Hodge.
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landry's bad game was against Nebraska when he threw 5 picks.
But he put the ball up 58 times..
Texas he was 24 -43 250yds 1td 2 int...so one can say the worst game was the Cornhusker game..
Still you have to play against whats on your schedule..if Bradford had been healthy,those would be the same opponents..
When I saw those games he didn't stink up the joint..he was adequate for a freshman..lots of room to improve.
And yes that spread offense does help to pad some stats but I just don't look at numbers..I look at what their skillset is.
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Yeah, he was adequate as a freshman and he should improve. Those are separate discussions. Playing who is on the schedule is also a different discussion, which is why looking at how each guy played against really good teams is a better determinant of viability as a pro prospect. But you are right that the spread abuses weaker teams and inflates numbers. That's why the Niners bit on the fools-gold that was Alex Smith. The damned spread makes it tougher to evaluate guys. Just have to really dig deeply to find the stuff you gotta have.
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I'm not bringing this up to diss Bradford..but again somethings concern me..if both he and BQ were coming out at the same time..I would not choose BQ...I have always felt he was overhyped...I don't feel SB is overhyped ,he just has durability/arm strength questions..
BQ has always had accuracy questions..which really came to light when he played this year..
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