DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum *** Cavs February Thread - Part Duex ***

What the hell did I just watch? That looked like a damn train wreck out there!

It was the tail end of a back-to-back grouping.....with the front being an OT game...with a new person on the team. Relax fellas.

Plus, it's not as bad as the Nuggets losing to the Wiz. The WIz have NOBODY! At least Char has a good team.

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lebron has the worst shot selection of any superstar..

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why dont you slow down there killer

chemistry was not there today, we did mess with the chemistry. I feel like im holding my breath without Z

Yep... me too

oh by the way saint, im pretty sure i saw you driving on chambers today? yes/no?

In their defense, it isn't that we lost two, or that it was two in a row coming off a week long break.... it is the manner in which we lost them.

They look deflated and they shoot FT's almost as bad as I do (ok, nobody shoots that bad ).



Still, no reason to panic, but it is reason to be upset with them. They're better than this.

Previous tuff ot game = deflated physical play next day

I agree patience is needed. Let Antawn atleast get a few practices with the team to gel. Imagine his shoes, your suppose to be the final piece of the puzzle. Anything other then a championship will have ppl saying we should of took Stoudamire.

Hope we pick it up against Orlando.

OT: Who else can't freakin wait for the playoffs? For some reason the regular season just feels like a tease to me. I don't maybe it's just years of anguish and suffering the city of Cleveland has been through has that effect on you. I want a championship damn it!

I've heard both ways, is it 30 days after the trade or 30 days after a buyout that Z would be able to come back? I always thought it was after the date of the trade but I've heard it both ways in recent stories.

I think it's from the trade date

Passing on some good info for people who want to know how this works:

Bought-out players are placed on waivers, and it takes 48 hours to clear waivers. During the waiver period, any team may claim a waived player. If more than one team tries to claim the player, the team with the worst record gets him. If a player on waivers is claimed, the new team acquires his existing contract and pays the remainder of his salary.

However, claiming players off waivers rarely happens, because there are some major restrictions on claiming a player off waivers. A team can claim a waived player only if one of the following is true:

1. The team is far enough under the salary cap to fit the player's entire salary.
2. The team has a Disabled Player exception for at least the player's salary.
3. The team has a Traded Player exception for at least the player's salary.
4. The player's contract is for one or two seasons and he is paid the minimum salary.

Most NBA teams don't meet any of these requirements, Z gets paid a lot.

If no team claims a waived player, he has "cleared waivers." This is what happens in most cases. The player may sign with the team of his choice at that point. The player's new team often pays the prorated veteran's minimum salary to the player but they can pay more than that (such as part of the MLE if they have it). The player's original team continues to pay the balance of the agreed-upon salary buyout.

There is an exception here that applies specifically to just-traded players -- during the season players who have been traded and bought out have to wait 30 days following the date of the trade to re-sign with the team that traded them away.

Bought-out players must be put on waivers by March 1 to be included on the new team's playoff roster. Any player (if bought out and waived) could be a member of the Cavs for the Playoffs as long as the buyout and waiver occurs before March 1. It's only the buyout and waiver that has to happen by that date - the signing can happen later. I believe the March 1 deadline is 11:59pm that night.

Oh, and this is also assuming the Wizards buy him out by the deadline, if at all, obviously. As of right this moment they appear to be holding Z hostage

I did the math real quick in my head and I believe Z could return to us on March 21st, no matter when he (hopefully) gets bought out.

If washington holds Z hostage I hope we embarrass them every chance we get!

I can't decide what to watch today. The bucks game or Cavs game

Gotta watch the Cavs.

Dwight Howard = most overrated player in the NBA

I take that back. Between the horrendous home cooking from the officials and the equally bad commentary from the NBA's worst color commentator, I'd flip back to the Buckeyes game.

Well the Bucks won so hopefully the Cavs can make this week complete

Yeah with the little bit I was able to catch at the end I was getting worried about the Bucks. Every time I flipped over to the game their lead was slimmer and slimmer. Good job to finish it out though. Hopefully the Cavs can do the same here now.

Brian Windhorst is saying Leon Powe will be available for Tuesday's game. Hopefully that ends up being true, as I'd like to see him get some court time to get back in game shape and get some of the rust shaken off before the playoffs start. We're crowded in the front court right now and minutes are hard to come by but this guy plays physical and rebounds, so I have a feeling we'll be seeing him a bit in the playoffs. Hopefully they can find a way to get him some playing time without messing anything up. Not gonna be an easy task setting up our rotations before each game.

Refs aren't doing the Cavs any favors in this game.

Flippin freethrows are killing us again too.

I was juts going to post that. There has never been a championship team that ranked 27th in free throw percentage. Lebron is one of the main perps.

That makes three in row

3 L in a row. It's a good thing we made this trade.

It would've been nice if they hadn't given Jameer Nelson 3s on those two shots in the fourth when his feet were clearly on the three point line. Those two points at the end of the game are huge.

They missed 10 free throws. There is where the real problem lies.

Missed or made, down by 2 with two minutes left to play is way different than down by 4.

The Cavs problem against these better teams the last few games has been LeBron dominating the ball too much. Sure, it might keep games close but no one else gets in to the offensive flow when it matters. The main thing it has done the last few games is completely take Mo out of the offense. He's too good of a player to not get consistent touches.

The 5th foul Jamison picked up was a joke and completely changed the game. For whatever reason it made Brown play Parker way too much. Against a player as athletic as Carter, I don't understand why Moon wouldn't play more?

I think that's the biggest thing that shows up in some late game situations. Brown is not a good in game offensive coach. He falls in to the trap of letting LeBron do whatever he wants.

After 3 losses in a row, that cushion we had ony everyone else is quickly evaporating.

and the fact that the defense has disappeared. We've given up 100+ points in five of the last six, and the sixth we gave up 97... to the Nets.

That 5th foul on Jamison was maddening. Plain as day a charge on Howard, but as usual he gets the undeserved superstar call. Should've fouled Dwight out, as he also should've had an offensive foul earlier when he decked Lebron with an elbow to the face.

Brown is not a good coach period. All you have to do is watch the ECF from last year and watch the same things happen over and over and over and see the total lack of any meaningful adjustments.

Mo Williams is an above average player but hardly the 2nd scoring option people seem to think he is.

Yeah and the call earlier where the shot clock expired as the ball was in the air to Lebron was just so homerish it was ridiculous.


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Nice to see jamison come back with a strong game. Mike Brown and his inability to rotate players effectively just kills this team. No way Mo williams should be out there in crunch time on D, West should have been out there..and no Moon today? Parker got abused too. FT's are a joke, Jent needs to be replaced if this is a sample of his doing, or they just need to stop watching shaq in practice..make him shoot his in another gym..lol. Lebron needs to improve his decision making. With all the amazing things he does, he still does things at critical points in the game that cause momentum to die. We had 2 5 point leads in the 4th and both times lost them when lebron started chucking jumpers while everyone just stared. If i'm orlando, i let lebron shoot, hes not a good shooter. Mo Williams got way to much PT today. He can't keep anyone in front of him. We really miss Z. I hope mike brown realizes that Jamison needs to start over Hickson. You don't ease a 12 year vet in for christ sakes. He'll figure it out playing minutes. He's used to starting and that's how he prepares. I think windy said Powe should be available for tues. That should help with Defense. I'm curious how he's going to fit in. Without Z, shaq having to put in some minutes

We have Forwards we needed Iggy! Why does LeBron have to shoot 3s in clutch situations all the time?

Trying to find a positive in this, is that I am sort of glad we're getting a wake up call and not peaking too early.

I'm not pissed, we just played 3 teams we normally struggle against in 4 days.

im def not reading too much into the first 3 game skid in 2 years

missing 16 free throws on Thurs a fluke
Bobcats have our number, AJ, brand new edition, going 0-12 didnt help
I would expect to lose vs ORL 1 every 3 games with 2 of those being on the road, but the free throws, or lack there of, seem to be carrying over

I grabbed three losses and looked at the free throw stats.

Denver game 1 (loss by 2): Cavs 18/29 62% Den 22/30 73%
Denver game 2 (OT) : Cavs 23/40 58% Den 21/26 81%
Chicago (loss by 1) : Cavs 12/20 60% Chi 11/14 79%

Even in our win over Oklahoma we shot 20/40 50% in a 1 point win.

Its been an issue with this team for a few years now. Not sure what can be done about it, but it makes me scream at the TV as I find it amazing guys get paid millions, have been playing this game since they were 8-10 years old and dedicated their life to their craft, but can't make a 15 foot shot with nobody guarding them.

The one Denver game is was not a fluke as the Cavs are one of the worst FT teams in the league.