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Are we bringing in Krenzel ?
In fairness, that's how bad these last few years have been for me as a Michigan fan (being so emotionally beaten down that I'm starting to think Smith won a national title). I think you got my point though. 
There's no reason to bring a guy in that is going to be a fan favorite when he more than likely doesn't have the talent to start. All it's going to do is cause a media **** storm that was even worse than TC / KH or BQ /DA. That's not an environment in which a young QB typically succeeds.
If we honestly think Smith could be a legitimate starter than sure, you consider it but I would assume Smith isn't even on Holmgren's radar. I get that a lot of people like him but does anyone think Baltimore would only give him a 5th round tender if they thought any team in the NFL was interested in bringing him in to compete for a starting job? This is the same team that put DA on the practice squad. How did that work out for us? 
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I got your point  Just a little chain jerk there,...It just jumped off the page....Sticking to the theory of being a conference junkie, it would have been better for Michigan if Smith had won one,.... I'm not saying he isn't talented,...but in any case, Smith will never get the chance that the 6'4" (+) Clausen's and Bradford's of the world get. It's the NFL. I'd have Troy trying to become a CB or WR, ,maybe KR, were I his agent. He didn't even come to Ohio State as a QB,....
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Is he fast enough to play those positions?
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Good point,...doubtful.
But,...Dino Hall and Brian Brennan weren't what I call speed merchants,...
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They also played WR their whole life.
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I never saw Dino catch a pass,...  But, I follow your point.
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Will all the buckeye homers stop all the Troy Smith stuff already. We have our TS, only he's twice as good, his name is Cribbs and we just paid him good money, case closed. He's bigger, better and faster than TS ever can or will be.  Troy Smith is not an NFL type QB, that's why the Ravens cut him loose, he doesn't have it. If he would have played anywhere but OSU, he never would have been a QB. It was the system, not TS who made it work. If he was smart he would have listened to the coaches in HS who told him his calling was at DB and he would be startring on some NFL team right now. 
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Cribbs isn't a QB. They don't compare.
Smith would now become our 3rd stringer and further muddy the waters at the position.
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If you think it was the system that made Troy Smith good at Ohio State then you didn't watch enough games. The guy was a stud.
He has a strong arm and he is accurate as hell, dude only threw 13 int's his entire career at OSU and had 68 td's in his career, 54 passing and 14 rushing and nearly 6,000 yards passing with over a 1,00 rushing in his career.
Say what you will about him as an NFL QB but don't put him down as a college QB because he was a great one.
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FYI...The biggest pimp on her is Turk...A Georgia fan.
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Cribbs started more games in college than Smith did, actually quite a few, I believe he was a 4year starter at the QB position. I did witness Smith throw at lot of passes to wide open receivers against some of the worst teams in college football though. I also saw him choke in every big bowl game, against good teams, that proved he could throw picks and fumble the ball away. Which proved he was definetly not an NFL type qb. If OSU did not play such an easy schedule (mostly at home) against weak Big 10 teams and Mac conference schools, then it would be a different story. The Ravens don't need him as a QB but he might be an experiment at another position. 
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You're right, beating Mich when they were ranked #2 in the country in one of the most anticpated games of the season....
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yea.. I could care less about Ohio St... but I think Smith has talent.. He just reminds me a lot of Donovan McNabb.
But as much as Holmgren has said he does not want a QB competition, Smith will not be a Brown.. atleast not this year.
Quinn gets the nod, and Holmgren / Mangini works with what they have.
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Troy Smith reminds you of Donovan McNabb? Really?!?! Really!?!?!
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. . . and its looking like Wallace might be the starter . . . 
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Troy Smith reminds you of Donovan McNabb? Really?!?! Really!?!?!
really.
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i just don't see that at all.
I think Wallace coming to town pretty much shuts the door on picking up Smith.
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I never saw him choke in any bowl game. He lit up Notre Dame and his offensive line choked against Florida
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i don't have a prob with bringing in smith if that's what our regime decides but i have to think wallace could be the best person to help mentor smith. they're very similar on paper though smith already has more pocket presense than wallace did at this point in his career.
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i don't have a prob with bringing in smith if that's what our regime decides but i have to think wallace could be the best person to help mentor smith. they're very similar on paper though smith already has more pocket presense than wallace did at this point in his career.
I get the feeling that it is in the works....gotta get rid of Quinn first and shefter has already posted on his twitter that we are shopping Quinn around and hoping for a bite from some other team!
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well if that happens, and we get a 5th (or possibly better but unlikely) then we essentially trade quinn for smith. i would have no problem with that.
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I also saw him choke in every big bowl game, against good teams, that proved he could throw picks and fumble the ball away. Which proved he was definetly not an NFL type qb. If OSU did not play such an easy schedule (mostly at home) against weak Big 10 teams and Mac conference schools, then it would be a different story.
Wth? ....... oh wait, let my take off my Scarlet and Gray tinted glasses ...... Huh? .....WTH?
Your line is wrong. His numbers were good. Dude rightfully won the Heisman.
Florida outplayed the Bucks (yeah...duh). Troy played bad and the O line was horrid. A littany of items, but ultimately it's because Florida outplayed the Bucks.
Troy was a great college quaterback that may be able to have success in the NFL. Give up the hate my friend.
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Florida outplayed the Bucks (yeah...duh). Troy played bad and the O line was horrid. A littany of items, but ultimately it's because Florida outplayed the Bucks.
Even during the game it was clear to me that the problem there was gameplan. They tried to beat FLA the same way they beat Michigan despite them being completely different teams. They were knocking 4-5 ypc at the beginning of the game but kept passing against an undersized fast defense. Just terrible. If you look at the success of the Big 10 in Bowls this season, what do you see? Dominance in the run game.
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There is NO market for troy Smith. he stays in Baltimore.
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Go back to that '06 OSU/Mich game and you could see that Troy Smith was the best college football player in the country at that point. - Meanwhile, his counterpart, Chad Henne, looked like he had a lot to learn.
A year later, Chad Henne and co put a beatdown on Florida in the Capital One Bowl, and Henne ends up being taken in the second round.
- Troy Smith would be cool here because we can get creative with him, but Chad Henne would be even better.
- Both of which played in the best college football conference in the country. - Two straight superbowl mvp's, only conference to finish with 3 teams ranked in the top 10 this year, and 4 ranked in the top 15.
Nas, not to get too far away from the spirit of this thread, but, are Wolverine fans missing Lloyd Carr, or do they continue to support Rich Rod?
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This could be fun. Ravens fans on talk radio have been presuming his value at a second round pick. Let's see if anyone decides to jump on a guy who has started two games since the time he was drafted in the fifth round.
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not sure how all that works..
Oh, ok.
1) The Rats tendered him at a level which means they can match any contract given to Smith. If they don't match, they get a 5th round pick in exchange for him.
So, if we offered him a low-money deal the Rats would probably keep him. The only way they'd let him walk away is if the contract given to him was very expensive.
This means it's not just about the 5th round pick we'd lose, but it's also about how much money it would take to get him. It's probable that the numbers to get him would be out of line for a backup QB.
In a simpler world, I would be happy drafting someone like Smith for a 5th round pick. The money makes it a different scenario.
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I know some special few can overcome disadvantages
Incidentally, Montana was 6'2.
That's why I don't understand why there aren't more poison pills. Put in the contract that if he dresses for more than 2 games in Maryland, that he must be the highest paid quarterback on the team. Something that we wouldn't have to worry about paying, but the original team would, make it impossible to resign him if they really want him, or don't want us to have him.
Finally, The Maskedman has come back, to the true Cleveland Browns Message Board.
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Now that we have SW and JD in the fold we have more than enough QB's. There is no need for another shorter, less experienced, model of SW. We will now try to trade BQ and probably draft a qb in the 5th or 6th round. That could put Ratliff on the cab squad or the waver wire, but I would tke him before TS anyday. Let the Ravens keep TS for their cab squad I'm sure he'll pass wavers or maybe he could try arena ball or something like that, because is not an NFL qb. 
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