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This draft is too deep to spend a second on some old goat stop gap QB!!!
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Delhomme hit old age in a hurry. He went from pretty good to really awful damn near overnight. I would want no part of him in a Browns uniform. I am also not sure I would want Trot Smith. He's looked OK at times .... but I just don't see him as the next Drew Brees. (as so many seem to want to compare him to physically) For a 5th he might be worth a shot ..... but I hope we have a better plan for the supposed "big surprise" ....... Smith would be like the kid hoping to find an X-Box under the tree finding a bag of socks nstead.  
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Real wisdom on here today. 
All i am looking for is depth candy...... The problems are many in the Carolinas.
Remember......its never like it looks. Trust me! 
With all due respect, Deep, it is that bad for Delhomme.
I'd be stunned if he plays another down in the NFL. Are you aware of how bad he actually was the past few years?
you had a good run Hank.
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All i am looking for is depth candy...... The problems are many in the Carolinas.
If you want depth and a QB with a rocket arm we have one. You still don't get it. Delhomme single handidly cost the Panthers a chance to go to the playoffs. They had a decent D, great WR and solid RB's. Yet you think he will do better here?!?!?! 
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I think if McNabb was available it would cost less than our 1st rounder. I think we could get him for our 2nd and Shaun Rogers.
And me saying Delhomme as a Brown is worth not reading me anymore? 
That is pure comedic...that makes me WANT to read you more!!!!
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And me saying Delhomme as a Brown is worth not reading me anymore?
That is pure comedic...that makes me WANT to read you more!!!!
Trust me, you wanting Delhomme is the funniest and saddest thing I've ever read on this forum.
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I never said anything about not reading anyone.
And I think that is a completely realistic trade scenario for a QB who is 33 years old and going into the last year of his contract.
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As depth......YEP...i would. He IMO is better than DA anyday. 
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No kiddding, an old washed up QB who has been awful as of late, or a young guy who won't cost us much.......hmmmmmmmmm.
If Delhomme is brought in, I'll riot. Cars will be overturned. Stores looted. Truck drivers pulled out of their trucks and hit with bricks.
Ok, that was a little overboard, buy you get the picture. NO JAKE DELHOMME.
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I think the correct spelling you are looking for is schmipical 
thanks, I'll try and remember that. LOL
well,,regarding Fujita, someone said that he was an OLB in a 4-3,, that I didn't realize.. shows you how much I paid attention to NO..... Thanks for the info..
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As depth......YEP...i would.
He IMO is better than DA anyday.
Whatever you say.
If you think he could come to a team with a worse running game, receivers and defense and get better, more power to you.
I'd much rather have DA.
you had a good run Hank.
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Your could be right, and I think they would prefer a Smith/Carr combo. However, if Carr goes elsewhere Quinn is here on a very cheap contract. I don't see them signing someone else for the sake of signing someone else basically. If they can get a pick for Quinn (any pick I would imagine) then he will be gone, but if not I could very well see him back here as a backup.
The cons of keeping BQ are the hardcore Quinn-fans will come out in droves everytime the new guy throws a pick. This isn't a problem though if your HC/FO makes it clear from the begining that the new guy will not be getting pulled unless there is an injury.............and stick to it. The biggest problems the Browns have had is picking a guy and sticking with him. We have never said "Ok this is our guy.......let's build around him" Now some of that is because we haven't had a guy we felt good enough to do that with, and some is because we have had ADD with QB position.
Hopefully MH means what he says, and get us a young QB, builds around him, and sticks with him. I think he will.
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As depth......YEP...i would.
He IMO is better than DA anyday.
I wouldn't want him as a 3rd string waterboy
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This draft is too deep to spend a second on some old goat stop gap QB!!!
Much less a 2nd and Rogers.
McNabb is maybe worth a 3rd or a 4th imo.
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McNabb is maybe worth a 3rd or a 4th imo.
I think that kinda depends on what team he's going to..
if he were to go to the Vikings,, My guess he's worth more to them then he should be to us. If Favre were to finally retire, McNabb would be ideal for them and I'd have to think they'd give up more than we should.. We are contenders with or without him this year.
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You have a ax to grind evidently, because that last remark is very juvinille. I'm moving on.
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Wait. I thought you were meant Rogers and 2nd round pick was too little to get McNabb. Let's get this clear. McNabb is worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. And Delhomme is worth picking up. Okay. I don't agree with you, but at least I know where you stand.
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I never said anything about not reading anyone.
Sorry dude!
I got you confused with jb52 for some reason.
My apology!!!!! 
You still wrong though! 
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I'm moving on.
Please do, and never mention his name on this website again.
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Dehlome had one of the best run games in the NFL this year, and still sucked that bad.
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With all due respect, Deep, it is that bad for Delhomme.
I'd be stunned if he plays another down in the NFL. Are you aware of how bad he actually was the past few years?
I don't think you're aware of how bad he actually played the past few years...2009, check - he was terrible.
2008 coming off of Tommy John surgery, he was a 60% passer with about 3300 yards, 15 TD and 12 Int - and 7.9 yards per attempt. That'd be 22nd in %, 15th in yards, 17th in TD, 11th in Int, and 4th in YPA. That's not great by any standards, but its certainly not terrible. (meanwhile DA was 32nd, 31st, 30th, 24th, and 31st - with about 125 less attempts - now that is terrible).
Then in 2007, 3 games into the season,he was having a career start when he got injured and had season ending surgery. 55 of 86 (64%) for 624 yards (7.3 ypa) with 8 TD and 1 Int. Nowhere near terrible.
I'm not suggesting we sign Delhomme (though as a backup at vet min I wouldn't be terribly upset), but outside of 2009, he didn't play as bad as your comment suggests. I wish our QB had played as bad as he did in 2007 and 2008.
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I'm willing to look past this if you answer a simple question for me,
How drunk are you right now?
LMAO this had me rolling.
Deep south I didn't mean to offend you, you are entitled to your opinion. I just happen to think that JD is done and Troy Smith might not be the answer but for a fifth rounder I don't see that as a bad gamble.
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So your argument is this...
Besides his worst year ever, 2009, Delhomme as been average at best when he's not injured. But 2009 doesn't count, because that was his worst year. It also happened to be the most recent evidence of him sucking. Also, I won't mention he also single-handedly lost the Panthers 2008 playoff game with 6 turnovers.
And when comparing him to Derek Anderson I won't mention that Anderson is 26 years old and Delhomme is 35. I also won't mention that in 2009, again our most recent evidence of both players play, Derek Anderson was actually better than Delhomme on a team with no running game and no defense.
I don't disagree with you that Jake Delhomme as a 3rd QB making the veterans minimum isn't a bad thing. I just don't like that you left out tons of facts from your argument.
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I think that the newspapers are probably rooting for either McNabb or Kolb ... Because the headline could be .... "The (Ex) Eagle has landed" .....
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With all due respect, Deep, it is that bad for Delhomme.
I'd be stunned if he plays another down in the NFL. Are you aware of how bad he actually was the past few years?
I don't think you're aware of how bad he actually played the past few years...2009, check - he was terrible.
2008 coming off of Tommy John surgery, he was a 60% passer with about 3300 yards, 15 TD and 12 Int - and 7.9 yards per attempt. That'd be 22nd in %, 15th in yards, 17th in TD, 11th in Int, and 4th in YPA. That's not great by any standards, but its certainly not terrible. (meanwhile DA was 32nd, 31st, 30th, 24th, and 31st - with about 125 less attempts - now that is terrible).
Then in 2007, 3 games into the season,he was having a career start when he got injured and had season ending surgery. 55 of 86 (64%) for 624 yards (7.3 ypa) with 8 TD and 1 Int. Nowhere near terrible.
I'm not suggesting we sign Delhomme (though as a backup at vet min I wouldn't be terribly upset), but outside of 2009, he didn't play as bad as your comment suggests. I wish our QB had played as bad as he did in 2007 and 2008.
A few years ago he hurt his arm.
Since that injury, he has seen significant drop in production. That is what I'm referring to.
It's a horrible sign that since his injury he has fallen off a cliff.
you had a good run Hank.
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So your argument is this...
Besides his worst year ever, 2009, Delhomme as been average at best when he's not injured. But 2009 doesn't count, because that was his worst year. It also happened to be the most recent evidence of him sucking. Also, I won't mention he also single-handedly lost the Panthers 2008 playoff game with 6 turnovers.
And when comparing him to Derek Anderson I won't mention that Anderson is 26 years old and Delhomme is 35. I also won't mention that in 2009, again our most recent evidence of both players play, Derek Anderson was actually better than Delhomme on a team with no running game and no defense.
I don't disagree with you that Jake Delhomme as a 3rd QB making the veterans minimum isn't a bad thing. I just don't like that you left out tons of facts from your argument.
Yeah, Derek Anderson's 2009 was SOOOO much more impressive that Delhomme's. So, the facts that I left out prove my point...
Anderson's 44.5% completion percentage, 4.9 YPA, 3 TDs/10 INT (.3 td/in ratio) completely blow away Delhomme's 55.5%, 6.3 YPA, 8 TDs/18 INT. (.44 td/int ratio). Meanwhile, CAR did have the #3 running game, we were about 400 yards behind at #8. But you were correct about defense, they were top 10, and we all know where we were...
So, your arguments:
worst year ever - yep, you are right
average at best when not injured - yes, you are right
lost 1 playoff game single handedly - yes, you are right
DA being much younger than Delhomme - yes, you are right
recent evidence DA is better than Delhomme - nope, sorry, numbers prove that wrong
no running game - nope, sorry, numbers prove that wrong
no defense - yep, you are right
the tons of facts I left out - I'm not exactly sure what facts I left out other than the numbers that prove that Delhomme at his worst still OUTPLAYED the much younger Anderson. Please fill me in on any other facts I left out
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Acutally his 2008 wasn't so different than his years pre-injury. That sure doesn't say much! But yes, 2009 was terrible and would definitely be a cause for concern.
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Delhomme is done, what makes you think he will do better in Cleveland?
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I never said he would. I never said he wouldn't. I just posted his numbers and said that I'd be ok with him as a backup at league vet minumum.
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When we sign guys I like to go on the message boards of the guys' old team. Here are some of the things people are saying about Scoot Fujita on Saints Report.com: Quote:
I wish him the best. Thanks Fujita, it's been a great run.
Gonna miss the Samurai. Thanks for all you've done for the team and city, and glad you got your ring.
Makes you wonder if he Siants were really interested in signing him. Maybe they told him to go get the best deal he could.
They must have thrown a lot of money at him. He's going to be miserable there with Mangini.
he went from the Superbowl Champion to the Cleveland Browns. I guess all his talk about the city got trumped by the money. Good luck to him, we can find a better replacement.
This may sound stupid to all you long time fans, but I only became a Saints fan in 2006 having never even watched american football before and not having a clue. Fujita has been one of my favourite players since they said his name in the very first game I watched.As he has been a constant during my whole time as a Who Dat and starting every game, this hurts me as much as Deuce being cut. I am verging tearing up again.
I always liked him, but he was the weakest link in our LB lineup.
He was clearly our second best LB and one of the leaders of the defense and know the defense better than just about anyone. So are we ganna take a chance on hoping that we have an LB that has never played a down to just take his spot? And even if we can find a good replacement then it turns into us basically swapping Shanle for Fujita...
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McNabb is WAY over the hill and Troy has proved JACK SQUAT! 
And you say these two are better than we have?
I'll give you McNabb...he even being over the hill is stilla SOLID not great qb......
Troy freakin Smith? 
What did i miss????
First off I never tried to say Troy Smith was or wasnt better than DA or Quinn...but its a no brainer that McNabb would be the best QB we have had since we came back in "99"....what I DID say is I wouldnt be against cleaning house and starting over with McNabb as the starter and Troy Smith learning behind him!!
Now I will go a lil further into what I mean since its obvious you have a hard time following.....We have seen enough of Anderson to know what we have in him...he is a backup at best. But in no way shape or form is he, or should he be starting!
Brady Quinn has had limited chances to show what he has, when he does get in the game he looks scared to make throws, and scared to take chances. And if he is as good as he was hyped up to be it would of shown by now in my opinion! He has had one game where he looked great and that was against the freaking Lions!!!! I really would of liked to see him come in and prove he deserves to be the starter but he hasnt!
McNabb would be a instant upgrade at the QB spot, even if he is "over the hill" as you put it he would be leaps and bounds better than Quinn and or Anderson! He is a proven winner, and I wouldnt have no problems with getting him!!! I would even be willing to swap first rounders with Philly and throwing in a 3rd rounder to get him!
Now we come to Troy Smith....you still following along? Troy Smith has all the tools, he is a tad on the short side but so is Brees! I have seen him play some really great football for Ohio State...now before you start saying Homer you are waaaaaaay off base! I dont like Ohio State, cant stand em as I am a Michigan Fan! If you knew anything about me, you would know like alot of the other posters I have always been a Michigan Fan! But I wont let it cloud my thoughts once they are pro's! I wanted AJ Hawk! I was ok with us getting Robiskie even tho know I am wondering if we messed up! and while the year Smith came out I wanted Quinn instead of Smith I am not afraid to say that maybe, just freaking maybe we messed up! I am not saying Smith should come in and be the starter but for a "5" round pick I wouldnt think twice about trading for him and seeing how he looks at camp! Honestly how many "5" rounders even end up making teams? At least we know Troy Smith can play the game of football! IMO we need to clean house and start over at the QB spot!
I say bring in McNabb and let Smith learn from him for a year or two. The two are almost mirror images of each other! I see alot of the same player in both of these guys! And if McNabb is as over the hill as you think then we only need him for a year or two to work with Smith...I personally think McNabb has a good 3 to 4 years left in him!
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David Carr has agreed to terms with the 49ers. ESPN.com
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interesting read, thank you. i like Scott. the handfull of saint games i saw this year he was one that always seemed to be on the ball carrier. I'll check back in a bit to see if you were motivated enough to pull Pashos 
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I'd be all for bringing in Troy Smith for one of our fifth rounders.
As for Delhomme, I'd rather bring Vinny Testaverde out of retirment.
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I mean heck we have like 4 5th round picks now....what could it hurt?
Id rather have bernie suit back up and start before I would want Delhomme even as the 3rd string clip board holder! Heck I would bring Dorsey back before DelHomme haha
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thanks cfrs15. I don't recall ever watching Tony play so I dont have an opinion on him like I did Fujita, but those arent exactly glowing endorsment comments. 
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