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"Clueless" or not, the majority of fans on here were right. DA had an opportunity to be the QB and he failed. The fans might have hated him from day one but that would have changed if he was able to play on Sundays. I believe some of the criticism wasn't warranted but he had plenty of time to show improvement. He didn't.
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Knight, your opinions are well noted, but if DA is so mentally fragile that he was spooked into playing as the worst starting QB in the NFL because Quinn was behind him, he isn't going to make it in the NFL.
I can understand being a fan of his and everything, but you go far beyond that. Your assumptions that he will be an NFL starter and you hoping that he destroys Cleveland next year is bordering on obsession.
If you want to believe that DA was so distraught that Quinn was going to unseat him that he played THAT horrible, so be it. However, 6 starts out of 34 that were quality means one thing to me: DA got hot and lucky. He's an NFL backup and was making too much money.
Of course, JMHO.
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If you want to believe that DA was so distraught that Quinn was going to unseat him that he played THAT horrible, so be it.
Good statement,...certainly doesn't explain why that didn't happen in 2007. Then the wheels came off,...lucky and hot. Never consistent.
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i don't think it comes down to being "spooked" by a potential benching as much as it is knowing that you have a whole city waiting to jump on you for any semblance of failure because you're standing in the way of the city's savior. i don't care about how competitive someone is, that'll get to someone if he's human.
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Instead of being spooked, it appears that it made him play better in 2007. The Bengal loss is what screwed him up.
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Fact: Anderson threw the 2nd most TD passes in a single season in Browns History...with 29 TDs as essentially a ROOKIE he played in 5 games in 06...the big ruble against Kansas City that led to us winning that game...ring a bell?
Fact ..he had a LOT OF HELP ..the recievers bailed him out a lot ..and he did make some throws very few other QB's could make..
But fact he had some of the worst performances since that time..accept it.
He couldn't control his arm and even consistantly complete short routes.. wild passes..off the wrong shoulder..on the helmet..at the foot..U want me to go on?
Fact: Savage ONLY real mistake was NOT giving Anderson a contract after 2007, BUT KEEPING Quinn was what sealed Savage.
Fact..U sound ridiculous..and totally offbase.
Opie's mistake was how he handled BQ and that he did not deal DA when he had the opportunity if it did exist..plus giving him that premature bonus..
Fact: Had Savage shipped Quinn out of here after the 2007 season and COMMITTED 100% to Anderson as the Browns QB...we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. In Fact Romeo Crennell probably would not have even gotten fired.
Fact..U tripped down some steps and hurt your head and you're one concussion away from being hauled outta here..oh and fact..you're a DA backer..
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So there are some asshat fans, big deal. They aren't even close to the majority, but it gives the handwringers ammunition to hate on their fellow fans because if you don't like THEIR favorite player you obviously wish ill upon them.  And just like Anderson, the hate on your own fans group LOVES to lump everyone in together and lament about how embarrassed they are to be a Browns fan. Please.
I love when a person's real character comes out and Anderson's did with his departure. He's damn lucky he landed with the Browns because there are only a few teams bad enough and stupid enough to pay him a bunch of money and claim him a starter. He had a ton of fans on his side, delusional as they may have been. I still can't figure out what games they were watching....and they are still supporting him despite his being a total jerk on top of being a bad QB.
We don't deserve a winner huh, Derek? Well you certainly helped seal that deal when you were here, except for your fluke year that earned you some good money and helped make sure the Browns kept sucking.
Anderson's going to come in to town and roll us? He couldn't roll his way out of a wet paper bag.
I'm even more happy he is now gone, if that was possible. He doesn't like us? I consider that a compliment. 
Jules, will you train me so that when I punch DA in the face it hurts him? 
I'm glad he's gone. I never liked him, was surprised by his success in 2007 and equally unsurprised when he fell back to earth. Good riddance to bad rubbish. 
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I never liked the phrase "The Best Fans" since it is subjective and will be different depending on who you are asking. Saying we have "Great Fans" would be more appropriate.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Ironically, since Vinny...another Anderception clone...but threw better passes. And was more mobile.
Anderception=Interceptaverde.
Who knows? Maybe he'll wind up in Tampa Bay to back up Freeman!
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People blow off steam all the time....just reading this board proves that. he offered apology, so that is good enough for me.
Strength comes in forgiveness and letting go, not holding.
He isn't here anymore, so it is a non issue as far as I am concerned.
Agreed. We all have said the wrong thing in anger and frustration. I note that DA's receivers led the NFL in dropped passes. They catch half the passes they dropped, DA's rating prolly doubles.
Ah well.. another ride on the Browns QB carousel.. hopefully one day we get it right.
Best of luck DA, thanks for your efforts.
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Fans are fans are fans. Period. Any claim at "we're the best fans" is just egocentric B.S.
exactly. the "best fans" are the ones who console themselves with that title because their team sucks.
dong...Oh how "wrong" you are...
First, Browns fans back in the 60s to early 90s (before the team was moved) did not name themselves "the best fans in the NFL"...it was others that gave Browns fans that title because of our passion, loyalty and willingness to turn out to support the team, regardless of the weather or the teams record.
I'm not going to say the Browns had the very best fans in the NFL, but we were thought of by others as (at the very least) "among the best" fans in the NFL. The Packers and Eagles were always considered high on anyone list as were the Steeler fans starting in the 70s.
Also, in 2006, bizjournals did some kind of survey to determine the best fans in the NFL and the Browns fans were rated #1... Article ...They also took into consideration the Browns Backers which is considered the largest sports-fan organization in the United States.
This survey was taken after the 2002 incident when Browns fans cheered when Tim Couch was hurt so it does not look as if that incident damaged the fans image. I wonder how the Browns fan base would be judged if the same survey was taken now...after Anderson reminded everyone that the so called best fans in the NFL also cheered when he was hurt....I have my doubts that an honest survey taken today would rate our Browns fans among the best in the NFL...we clearly are not.
I see nothing wrong with Derek Anderson stating what some Browns fans are willing to admit...that it is wrong for Browns fans to cheer when our own players are hurt. I don't care how much you dislike or hate one of our players...it takes an idiot fan to cheer when our own players are hurt, regardless of whom the player is or how they have played.
Now that I'm reading that Quinn may be on the trading block too, maybe Holmgren is determined to put an end to ugly QB controversies in Cleveland...Couch/Holcomb and Anderson/Quinn....I hope so.
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Those that say screw DA because of his statements have not put themselves in his shoes. I don't think anyone would like it if someone cheered when you get hurt especially if it's the people that are supposed to be on your side.
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Now that I'm reading that Quinn may be on the trading block too, maybe Holmgren is determined to put an end to ugly QB controversies in Cleveland...Couch/Holcomb and Anderson/Quinn....I hope so.
The only way to put an end to ugly QB controversies in Cleveland is to put an end to ugly QB PLAY in Cleveland... and I hope he's not hanging his hat on Seneca Wallace to do that.
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My Concern is that while we have Wallace for sure, we are bringing in Delhomme, and may draft guy....that sure sounds like a situation which could make a QB controversy which Holmgren said would not happen as we would have a clear defined number 1 guy.
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Nope. I don't think he ever stated that there wouldn't be a controversy.... just that there wouldn't be a competition.
Do you *really* think that the Cleveland media will let us go through an offseason without a QB controversy, even if they have to manufacture it?
Browns is the Browns
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By Derek I hope you cream this Browns hard core next year..I hope you throw 5 TD passes against us and embarrass us..NOT because I am not a fan..I LOVE the Browns...but to prove a point TO THESE FANS your a much better player then they gave you credit for...
You sir, are insane. And if you truely believe the above, a pretty lousy Browns fan.
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My Concern is that while we have Wallace for sure, we are bringing in Delhomme, and may draft guy....that sure sounds like a situation which could make a QB controversy which Holmgren said would not happen as we would have a clear defined number 1 guy.
unless he brings Delhomme in with the understanding he is the backup QB. Seneca is the starter this year and drafts a round 3-5 QB to develop for the future.
that, of course, would assume that Brady Quinn and Ratliff are no longer here.
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i don't need a history lesson. i'm saying current fans, who call themsleves the best fans, do it to console themselves because their teams suck. i'm not wrong there.
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The Browns have seen great and not-so-great players come and go for generations. The treatment of DA by the fans while he was here does not change the way "others" may perceive us.
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I know nobody here was cheering that DA got hurt against the Colts in '08, but I'm still trying to figure out why people were cheering for Quinn then, considering he was on IR.
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Fact: Anderson threw the 2nd most TD passes in a single season in Browns History...with 29 TDs as essentially a ROOKIE he played in 5 games in 06...the big ruble against Kansas City that led to us winning that game...ring a bell?
Fact ..he had a LOT OF HELP ..the recievers bailed him out a lot ..and he did make some throws very few other QB's could make..
But fact he had some of the worst performances since that time..accept it.
He couldn't control his arm and even consistantly complete short routes.. wild passes..off the wrong shoulder..on the helmet..at the foot..U want me to go on?
Fact: Savage ONLY real mistake was NOT giving Anderson a contract after 2007, BUT KEEPING Quinn was what sealed Savage.
Fact..U sound ridiculous..and totally offbase.
Opie's mistake was how he handled BQ and that he did not deal DA when he had the opportunity if it did exist..plus giving him that premature bonus..
Fact: Had Savage shipped Quinn out of here after the 2007 season and COMMITTED 100% to Anderson as the Browns QB...we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. In Fact Romeo Crennell probably would not have even gotten fired.
Fact..U tripped down some steps and hurt your head and you're one concussion away from being hauled outta here..oh and fact..you're a DA backer..
if you think Da was treated fairly your crazy....
however Da is gone so its moot now...
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Thats all U got???
Nope, but I am not wasting it on you
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So?
Maybe if you stopped posting utter junk ,I'd take your comments seriously..
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Congrats you just got your self blocked...have a nice day
Oooooooooooh. Sometimes you guys are just so mature that I am in awe.
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lol, careful you might get on someone's ignore list. Anyhoo.... has DA officially apologized to us fans yet? Not for his words the other day, but for all those INTs? 
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Oooooooooooh. Sometimes you guys are just so mature that I am in awe.
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They don't call this the silly season for nothing ya know
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Im kidding man...i didn't really block you...Im just trying to lighten the mood. LOL
I am not posting junk, but how can I take you seriously when all you have done on this forum is insult me....Not to mention in your previous post the innuendo about me getting a concussion is borderline being banned from any other forum I post on, and it is clearly a violation of the terms on this forum.
However, that is a tale for another post.
I am just trying to state that.neither QB was given a "fair shake: neither Da or Quinn was handled properly by this organization or treated fairly.
After 07 we should have either:
1. Committed to DA and Traded Quinn
2. Committed to Quinn and Traded DA
whichever direction they choose they would have been doing the right thing for the fans here and the two QB's
the constant switching and ineptitude of this organization astounds me....
I am also frustrated now if we trade Quinn because even though im not a big fan, I was willing to give the kid a fair chance to prove himself. He won't get that chance now. That means were starting over again...im just sick of starting over...
I didn't really block you, if I didn't would have seen you post...just playing man..I don't ignore anyone on here...
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I am not posting junk, but how can I take you seriously when all you have done on this forum is insult me....Not to mention in your previous post the innuendo about me getting a concussion is borderline being banned from any other forum I post on, and it is clearly a violation of the terms on this forum Oh my goodness..U took that seriously...
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whichever direction they choose they would have been doing the right thing for the fans here and the two QB's
That might be the smartest thing you've ever said... there were a couple problems with that, as fans go... 1. there was the you need 2 QBs thought, which is true but only works if one is the clearly defined #1 and the other the clearly defined #2... if you have clearly defined #1A and #1B, then you have a mess, which is what we've had. and the second thing is that nobody wanted to be the person that had, and potentially traded away, a franchise QB in the event that the one they kept, didn't work out.
After '07 I was in the trade DA camp, which made me wildly unpopular with some because he was coming off as good a year as he was ever going to have and you just can't dump a guy that made the pro-bowl.... however his value was off the charts in a trade and I was fairly certain that he had hit, smashed into, and begun to fall back down from... his ceiling, all in one season.
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After '07 I was in the trade DA camp, which made me wildly unpopular with some because he was coming off as good a year as he was ever going to have and you just can't dump a guy that made the pro-bowl.... however his value was off the charts in a trade and I was fairly certain that he had hit, smashed into, and begun to fall back down from... his ceiling, all in one season.
No offense, but if you (and others) were able too see that so clearly, then certainly other NFL calibur GM's were able to see it also. I don't remember seeing any official offers for DA at the time, isn't it possible that draft picks offered didn't offset gamble of shipping him out?
I mean, even if he were a 1 in 3 shot to remain at as he was in 2007, would you take, say a 3rd or 4th, to ship him out?
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It won't be our 1st rounder....if it was a late 1st rounder I might consider it.
The only way i take Kolb knowing what they want is to start swapping picks until the are happy...We get Kolb...swap 1st rounders with philly in round 1 and give them a our 3rd rounder.
Maybe swap positions in the second round as well....but now I am beginning to feel raped.
For that matter...we might as well just draft a qb...McCoy at #7(assume Bradford is gone by then) or grab Tebow at the top of the 2nd.
I think that would provide the value Philly seeks.
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This could just be posturing ..... but if not, I'd have to pass ...... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/jake_delhommes_decision_might.htmlIf the Browns want Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, it will take at least a first-round pick, according to ESPN's Sal Paolantonio. If they want his backup Kevin Kolb, it would take two first-rounders, according to Comcast Sports Net Philadelphia.
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Even if we did have two first rounders to give, that is a little steep for me for Kolb, who hasn't even proven over the course of a season that he can handle being a starting QB.
For McNabb, I say let it play out until draft day. If it comes to the 7th pick and most of the guys we really like are gone, then I would be alright with the swap. I think McNabb still has a lot to offer and can also be a great mentor to any QB we pick up as a developmental project over the next few years.
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That has Scott Mitchell written all over it.
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it does kinda have that feel to it doesn't it?
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