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And I think people need to stop assuming that Delhomme is our starter just because we signed him.
79...I believe I read that Holmgren did not promise Delhomme anything if he chose to come to Cleveland...other than he would have to compete for the job.
Found it... Holmgren insisted he did not -- and would not -- promise Delhomme a starting job.
"I told him when I met with him that we'll never say that to a free agent guy, tell him, 'You're the starter,'" Holmgren said. "I think if you promise guys those things, and then something happens (to change that), then you have a disgruntled player. We're not going to do that."
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Yeah, and Holmgren also said it wasn't right to evaluate a QB without X-amount of starts, a number greater than Quinn has started.
And now Quinn is history.
So taking anything these guys say as gospel leads to flawed conclusions.
Delhomme isn't "promised" the starters gig, but he was brought here to be the starter, he'll get the majority of 1st-team reps, and it's his job to lose.
That's as close to a "guarantee" as it gets.
Toad..your argument is with Mike Holmgren, not me...
I simply posted what the man said.
I do believe Holmgren is smart enough to not hand Delhomme anything when it comes to the starting job. That's the kind of stuff we used to do...or have a QB competition that ended in a "gut feeling" by someone who didn't know jack about QBs.
Yep, the Browns paid Delhomme like the starter and Holmgren might want Jake to be the starter...but I seriously doubt the fans or Delhomme/Wallace are going to hear any such guarantees from Holmgren.
Delhomme should be able to earn the starting job unless he begins here where he left off in Carolina, throwing more than twice as many INTs than Tds. If JD does that, he could very well end up being the backup, especially if Wallace plays well and offense clicks with him at QB.
Either way, the QB play from Wallace and/or Delhomme should be better than the play from the Browns QBs last season.
The most interesting aspect concerning the Browns new QB corp...IMO...is who will be the young QB that will be the prospect for the future?
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Weird. We've made all these moves and we still haven't officially announced the Delhomme signing.
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I admit, I do not know much about Delhomme or the Panthers. Do the Panthers run a WCO? I never thought of them as a WCO. If we are moving to a WCO, the pick up of Seneca Wallace (while unspectacular) does make sense.
I do not understand signing Jake.
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DS,my friend,you've got to give him some slack.It isn't snowing and it isn't raining,right now.Those are reasons to celebrate for us here in Believeland.
Make sure you prep that paint before waxing.
There a few of you around here that still pop in and give me a good chuckle... Good to hear from you bud...
My frustration truthfully lies with us going with a guy that has less to offer than DA did and KNOWING that we will actually consider blowing a DP on QB this year...
There are no Matt Ryan's in this class as far as I can see but there are some QUALITY players that have higher potential for success and at positions of need no less... Berry, McClain, Cody, Bryant, Okung come to mind off of the top of my head... Us taking a gamble on one of the QB's in this class and passing over one of the aformentioned names is what has my thong in a bunch here...
Many can say I am looking at the sky falling and that may be the case but with so many years of disappointing drafts I think that my pessimism is warranted... ONLY thing that gives me a slight grain of optimism is Heckert's track record in the draft with Philly... With as many picks as we now have and just as many holes, we MUST hit on 50% of them THIS year.... All of this housecleaning will be a complete waste if we blow yet another draft!
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WANTED: A set of 2inch white letters that spell out DELHOMME so my authentic Braylon Edwards jersey can be worn again on sundays hahahaha
While shocked with all these moves I get the feeling that good things are coming.....FINALLY!!!
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I wish I had the same feeling.
I think I am just dazed from all this action. Pretty crazy stuff going on.
Since 1999 we have had eleven 1st round picks. Only two are still on the roster (Joe Thomas, Alex Mack). That is not a good thing.
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depends on how you look at it...at least the two we have are good haha
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I wish I had the same feeling.
I think I am just dazed from all this action. Pretty crazy stuff going on.
Since 1999 we have had eleven 1st round picks. Only two are still on the roster (Joe Thomas, Alex Mack). That is not a good thing.
yeah, the whole first draft of Savage is gone.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Delhomme wanted a chance to start, and he'll have that in Cleveland. He and Seneca Wallace figure to compete to start. Based on Wallace's history with Holmgren and Delhomme's play last season, we'd bet on Wallace.
Now that BQ is gone,this gets more interesting..Delmonte isn't a quality QB but he is experienced and the Borwns haven't had a vet to come off the bench in case the starter gets hurt...thats the way I see it..
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While shocked with all these moves I get the feeling that good things are coming.....FINALLY!!!
You'd better make sure they attach with velcro. Things are changing way too fast to get attached to any player not named Joe Thomas or Josh Cribbs.
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Velcro jersey name strips,...you're gonna want your cut for coming up with that one, cuz' somebody in Cleveland just became a millionaire businessman.
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I was against this when it was rumored, but he's a Brown now.
Welcome to Cleveland Jake. I hope the last year and a half were an aberration and you can play like you did against NE in that superbowl for the Browns.
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I feel certain Jake will be better...how much is the question. I feel like he will play well enough to give the youngster a year to learn. Tebow, McCoy or Lefevour is my guess. 
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Delhomme didn't come here to "compete" for the job. It's his to lose.
I do not know if this is completely true or not, but at 7 million ? I tend to agree with it.
Who else would've paid Jake 7 mil this season? I know he's getting paid 12 mil by Carolina this year but to think he wouldn't take the Browns offer with a chance to start while making that kinda money is not being realistic.There's not a team out there that would guarantee JD a starting job.
The bottom line is still the same even in this case. "money talks and B.S. walks"
The one thing that Jake will definately bring to the Browns is veteran QB leadership(even in a backup role) and considering that we were willing to do a complete overhaul at such a critical position, maybe MH deemed the price for his presence alone to be worth the money spent.
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I just have to think Seneca Wallace can beat out Jake Delhomme. Anyway, here's a tidbit from Peter King's MMQB: Quote:
2. I think I can't wait to hear Mike Holmgren's and Eric Mangini's explanation for paying Jake Delhomme $7 million in 2010. I really can't wait.
3. I think Delhomme is in the top five of NFL good guys I've ever met. I once saw him stopped by students in the Student Center at Wofford College in Spartanburg, S.C., site of the Panthers training camp each summer, and give these kids 15 minutes of his time, asking them as much about them as they asked about him. He's clearly one of the most giving players to fans I've ever met, and he has never tried to hide from the press after some of his inglorious days.
If nothing else, we got a really good guy who will help out the chemistry on the team in a positive way.
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I think it's funny that everybody, well not everybody but a lot of people, thinks this decisions immediately means we will be drafting a QB high this year. I happen to think it signals just the opposite. I think the combination of Delhomme and Wallace gives us a pass this year at the QB spot and gives us a chance to defer that decision to next year when maybe the QBs will be a little better defined to pick from...
I've been saying since the beginning, go big or don't go at all when it comes to the QB.. I'm not in favor of drafting a "project" in the 3rd round... Yes, I know that MH has a reputation for being able to spot QB talent but so do a lot of other guys in the NFL and that will mean that each of them passed on this guy twice also. QB is one spot where you don't look for "value"..
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2. I think I can't wait to hear Mike Holmgren's and Eric Mangini's explanation for paying Jake Delhomme $7 million in 2010. I really can't wait.
My guess? We didn't see much in the way of veterans out there that we felt was better (or as available).... so we threw extra cash at him up front to get him here instead of going to New Orleans.
Pickins' were slim, and none of what was available was a long-term answer... so do what ya gotta do to lock up your target.
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agreed. i remember, i think it was one of terry pluto's aritcles, saying that the plan was this year we get some vets and next year we find the franchise qb.
we'll see but with 12 picks, this is going to be a fun draft!
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Yea, he's going to be very politically correct in saying that Delhomme signed a two year deal, of which he is likely to only ever see 1 years worth of money... it's a slim year and he's a 1 year bandaid to stop the bleeding so we can deal with other flesh wounds first.
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well not everybody but a lot of people, thinks this decisions immediately means we will be drafting a QB high this year. I happen to think it signals just the opposite
I'll merely state what I've been telling everyone..unless MH trades for another QB,which he might..I see him going mid-round to take a QB to groom.
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Yea, he's going to be very politically correct in saying that Delhomme signed a two year deal, of which he is likely to only ever see 1 years worth of money... it's a slim year and he's a 1 year bandaid to stop the bleeding so we can deal with other flesh wounds first.
This is what I suspect as well. Delhomme is near the end of his run and if he can cash in for even one more year then he'd be a fool not to do it. If you were Holmgren, would you be putting all your eggs in Seneca Wallace's basket? I still think Wallace is going to get the start.
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I still think Wallace is going to get the start.
I think that Wallace is going to be given every opportunity to start, but that it will be up to Wallace as to whether or not he does. If he doesn't pull a Hasselbeck, then Delhomme will get the nod.
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If he doesn't pull a Hasselbeck, then Delhomme will get the nod.
I guess that guarantees the job to Delhomme!
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I'm hoping for the opposite. I'd *LOVE* for Wallace to do a Hasselbeck and have everything click and take over the job of starter... it'd FINALLY be that piece of the puzzle solved (for a few years at least).
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Nothing in Seneca Wallace's 7 years in the NFL lends itself to me believing he is anything more than a bandaid starter or a back-up.
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I would love that as well. However, Wallace will be 30 in August. That switch flipped for Hasselbeck when he was 26. Unfortunately, the chances of SW elevating his game any higher are pretty remote at this point, IMO. I think he hit his ceiling in 2008.
We'll see....
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I would love that as well. However, Wallace will be 30 in August. That switch flipped for Hasselbeck when he was 26. Unfortunately, the chances of SW elevating his game any higher are pretty remote at this point, IMO. I think he hit his ceiling in 2008.
We'll see....
All I can say is that Hasselbeck's switch flipped at 26 - which is when he was given the opportunity.
Wallace is just now being given his opportunity.
I'm not saying it will happen, just saying that it very well could - and I don't think that Holmgren would have traded for him if he didn't think that there was at least a reasonable chance of it. Nothing superstar like... just stepping up into being an average NFL QB.
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I'll take his ceiling of 2008 (11 TD's, 3 INT's, 58.3% completion rate) over what we got the last two seasons.
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Hey Toad, I know you've watched Bradford a bit and are high on him - do you think he's worth trading up and sacrificing one or two defensive starters we could get in this draft on day one?
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I would take that too but could you say he would have done any better with the talent we have had lately....especially this year.
I dont know.....
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Nothing in Seneca Wallace's 7 years in the NFL lends itself to me believing he is anything more than a bandaid starter or a back-up.
Considering he was a backup behind A QB that was entrenched that might not be true. Then again he did resign as a backup so maybe there was no interest in him.
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Seattle has picked before us in the last two drafts and they play in the weak NFC West. I would say we have more talent than Seattle.
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I would take that too but could you say he would have done any better with the talent we have had lately....especially this year.
I dont know.....
If Bernie's words on the radio have much truth.... Yes, he would have.
According to Bernie, our lack-of-talent receivers were getting open a LOT --- but our QB's couldn't get them the ball. I would definitely think that Wallace would have gotten them the ball.
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I know you didn't ask me  but i feel if we had two round one picks....i think it would be fesible. Not having but one first and one secound....i think the cost would be way to much. Now like Peen has suggested....by Bradford maybe getting passed on by the Rams that he could slide possibly to the 5th spot. We could make that move i feel. Thats our best shot imo.
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If Bernie's words have much truth  j/k i like Bernie and i feel he has some merit to that thought. Not sold on Seneca. I like his stats and have seen his highlights but...... If we got him for a sixth....TO ME...that says volumes.  Still not sure....
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I think that is just says that Seattle had no use for them. They have a starter (Hasselbeck) and they are clearly looking for a QB to sit behind Hasselbeck. No point in having Seneca Wallace around.
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If Bernie's words have much truth j/k i like Bernie and i feel he has some merit to that thought.
Not sold on Seneca. I like his stats and have seen his highlights but...... If we got him for a sixth....TO ME...that says volumes.
Still not sure....
Getting someone for a sixth just means that the rest of the league doesn't value him highly. The rest of the league didn't value Tom Brady when he was picked in the sixth. The rest of the league didn't value Josh Cribbs when he was an UDFA. We could be getting a lousy player for a cheap price, or we could have hornswaggled Seattle. Time will tell.
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Not to mention that it is a new regime that will run a new style of offense. I don't expect Pete Carroll to look for the same things in a QB as Holmgren does.
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The difference is with Brady and Cribbs is all you had was there body of work in college. What did they do there to merit any more? Seneca? Not only his college resume but you have several years in the pros to evaluate him and all you want for him is a sixth? Not buying it.  Crap.....Brady Quinn was worth a pretty good player in exchange and a sixth...PLUS another one next year.  All they wanted for Seneca was a sixth???? 
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Me too,...Quinn was really THAT bad ? I don't pretend to know, but it is now my thinking that Holmgren and Co. just decided to go the easy way out and do the "dump-and-take-whatever-they-offer" route. Only time will tell if we got jobbed.
Like I said on the Wimbley thread, professionally, they are now the enemy, and I hope they flame out, especially considering they both ended up in the AFC.
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