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Hate the Snead pick, outside of that I think its solid. If Ducasse falls to us in the 3rd I would be estatic, though I think its unlikely he gets out of the first half of the second round.

I understand your point, I just think he's a bum. He reminds me of John Parker Wilson for some reason and I cant be rational with him.

I agree with Andra on Snead - I prefer Skelton or Crompton at that point. I also think Tate will be gone by our last 5th rounder - I'd expect him to go late 3rd to late 4th.

Was a little surprised to see 2 DEs - a DE and a NT I could understand - assuming we play Rogers at both DE and NT.

Overall, nice draft I would'nt complain about too much.

Can never have enough Dline talent, it tends to be an area of a high degree of injuries, plus we need an injection of youth on the line.

I think Damian Williams is one of the most underrated guys in the draft.

This draft is sneaky deep at WR. After Dez Bryant there are lots of good guys:

Arrelious Benn, Brandon LaFell, Eric Decker, Golden Tate, Mardy Gilyard, Mike Williams, Dezmon Briscoe, Antonio Brown, Dexter McCluster, Jacoby Ford, Kerry Meier. And many more.

Running backs are hard to predict. They are always falling.

There are at least 6 RB's better than Tate in the draft (Spiller, Best, Gerhart, Hardesty, Matthews, Dwyer). With a few guys who are equal to him (Blount, McKnight, Dixon).

I'd say any RB of Tate's caliber can go anywhere from the 3rd to the 5th round.

No dount - look at what happened to NYG last year - there were pundits saying that they had too many DL and how would they keep them all happy...and look what happened.

Eric Decker and his injuries really scare me. I haven't been reading positive things about his ankle, many think its going to be of the chronic kind.

Benn is my favorite of the WRs, even over Bryant, who is obv more talented, his attitude scares me. He reminds me too much of TO in that department. I like Golden Tate more than most, as I think he will be very solid in the pros, LaFell I think will be a very good #2, dont see #1 potential, though you dont always need that on a team.

Seriously? Watching the combine, he was excellent in all of the drills. And, as per being undersized and not fast, I'm baffled. 5'10" and 220 lb is undersized? Then what are Spiller, Best, and McCluster - all being under 200 lb? He ran a 4.43 at the combine if I recall, and that's with a lot of people complaining about how slow combine times were overall. He's repeatedly ran in the 4.4-4.5 range which puts him speedwise in the top 5 of this draft class.

I think the main reasons he's going to last to the 4th round or so are (a) underperforming his junior year - was his senior year an anomoly or the real Ben Tate (b) struggles to get around the corner, more of a north south runner (c) average in pass protection

Per the size, yeah, he may be, I know college and NFL programs all exagerate the sizes. According to NFL.com, he's 5'11" - I presume that is combine info?

Yes, you're 100% correct on the smaller guys. I can't imagine Dexter McCluster at 175 or whatever he is trying to block a Shaun Rogers or even a Kamerion Wimbley...

As per game speed, you're right there, that's the reference I made to not getting outside.

That all being said, I'd be completely baffled if he doesnt' get drafted, but then again, it happens every year...

You're saying Ben Tate is undersized? He's 5'11" 220. That's like perfect. I doubt he gets out of the 4th, and I've heard he could even sneak into the 3rd.

I think the point is that they dont agree with your statement about him being 5'9".

A: Maurice Jones-Drew and Ray Rice have proven height is irrelevant
B: He measured in at 5'11" at the combine. He is no shorter than that.

I forgot a 1. Sue me. I'm editing so it doesn't get confused.

Height wise yes. But he is lacking 10 to 20 pounds of bulk.

According to what you've said he's only 15 lbs from "perfect weight"

Only 15 pounds? 15 pounds is quite a bit sir.

There is no perfect weight. It varies on body type.

What are you even trying to debate? Jerome has the perfect weight for his size. Have you seen Jerome in person? The guy is ripped like Ray Rice maybe not like MJD (but he's a freak)

I'm really not even sure how Harrison was brought up in this. Yeah, I have seen Harrison in size. Probabably about 20 times. And he has no where near the muscle of either the guys I mentioned.

I'm not even going to get into his faults, because this debate is about as bad as a QB competition.

Now,using this website I constructed another one also based on Eo's visitation list ..

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/d...rospectrankings

1.7 – Joe Haden CB Florida

2.38 – Colt McCoy QB Texas

3.71 –Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale

3.85- Jacoby Ford WR Clemson

3.92 –Torrell Troup DT UCF

4.105 – T.J. Ward SS Oregon

5.134– Linval Joseph DT East Carolina

5.137 – Kurt Coleman SS Ohio State

5.146- Kavell Conner OLB Clemson

5.160 – Myron Lewis FS Vanderbilt

6.177 – Charles Scott RB LSU

6.186 – Marcus Easley WR Connecticut

I like this, and would be happy if it were to fall this way, though I must admit I am not familiar with the DTs you have us taking. I am a Jared Veldheer fan though. Not crazy about the Coleman pick but that late, its hard to agrue with taking a flyer.

My Dream mock so far LOL.. I seriously hope MH and company are seeking Buyers on Rogers and Jackson..I think they are the next to go and timing wise is perfect. So I will use them in my dream mock.

1.)Berry
1b)Mike Iupati (To Tenn.Rogers and 3rd rd pick received from D Jackson) Cle gets #16
2.)McCoy
3.)Brandon Lafell
3b)Brandon Spikes
3c)Ciron Black
4)Perrish Cox or Greg Hardy (from the 5th acquired with DQ and one of our other 5ths or a sixth) A good spot to take either guy as their stock is slipping due to Curfew Violations and a wrist injury and character concerns. Take one and hope the other drops..

Fun times picking for Miami in DT's intrasite.

Figured I had researched enough to make a mock. Here goes... I'm going by what I believe the Browns will do rather than who I like. Although I'll post my own pick at each spot.

Based off of cbssports.com's rankings

#7 Joe Haden, CB. If Berry is gone, I think it's between Haden and Clausen. Sounds like Holmgren is not on board, so Haden it is. The good news is, there is a good possibility that Berry falls.

Big board: Suh, Bradford, Berry, Haden. I personally would take Clausen here.

#38 Tyson Alualu. DL. Everything about this guy screams "Mangini player" and fits in a position of need, weather or not anyone admits it.

Big board: Jared Odrick, Jerry Hughes, Damaryious Thomas, Pat Robinson. If D. Thomas falls, I think it'll be tough for him to be passed here. Personally I would take Terrence Cody.

#71 Jared Veldheer, OL. Huge and talented. We better get somebody on OL by this time.

Big Board: Ricky Sapp, Vlad Ducasse, Chad Jones, Torrell Troup, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. Personally I'm going to really want Chad Jones here, but he's gone so we better get Reshad Jones.

#85 Jarrett Brown QB. Everybody thinks this guy is a later round pick, I think they are wrong. This dude is the perfect developmental QB in the draft, and the Browns have made themselves a situation which is quite receptive to a developmental QB.

Big board: Jared Veldheer, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Brandon Lafell, Dominique Franks. Personally, if we don't take Clausen, I take Brown here no question.

#92 Major Wright, S. In my opinon, the Browns cannot get enough help in the secondary.

No big board here, we have got to trust our team to do better than we do at this point IMO.

I wouldn't have made this post if it wasn't for DT's mock which made me research much more than I ever had. Thanks DT!

j/c

Pit's Rough draft initial Mock

My mock draft here is an initial mock and not anything final. I doubt it will be very accurate outside the first 15 or so picks. There is great depth in this draft in positions of need considering the depth in this draft. So I base things on a combination of need+value= pick.

I know it will be contraversial and I don't mind that at all. So here goes.....

1. Rams- Sam Bradford QB

The Rams seriously need that QB and I feel will address it here.

2. Lions- Ndamamaru Su DT

The lions need a lot of help in many places, but Su is an animal and as far as rankings go, he fills that need at a very high level.

3. Bucs- Gerald McCoy DT

Once again, Su and McCoy are top talents who address a great need for the Bucs.

4. Redskins- Russel Okung LT

The signing of McNabb makes protecting him priority #1. Here they can do it with what I percieve as the top rated LT in this draft who can start on day 1. With Walter's retirement and no real replacement there, this is so much of a need IMO, this is a must pick for the Hawks.

5.Chiefs- Byron Buloga LT

I've heard they are high on Trent Williams but everybody puts up smoke screens and from the talent and aggressiveness standpoint, I put Buloga ahead of Trent Williams.

6.Seahawks- Trent Williams LT

The Hawks have two very serious needs. Both at LT and S. I feel Pete Carroll feels more confident in getting a high quality S at #14 far more than he feels he could land his LT there. This draft is far deeper at quality LT's than I've seen since I can recall, so I expect they'll go early and often.

7. Browns- Eric Berry S

This is a no brainer. The top rated S with the potential to be a game changer and a top 3 rated talent in this draft.

8. Raiders- Bruce Campbell LT

Al Davis is running out of excuses for Russell and the only real excuse left is giving him protection on his blind side. To me Campbell doesn't rate as the highest LT on the borad with only 17 starts under his belt, but Davis likes the "super freaks" and from all measurables Campbell fits that Al Davis role in that regard.

9. Bills- Jimmy Classen QB

The Jags would love to move ahead of the Bills to get Classuen but lack the draft picks to pull of such a deal.

10.. Jaguars- Earl Thomas S

Thomas fills a need for the Jags and on my board he is well worth a top 10 pick especially with the need at the position here. If the Jags D could actually stop other teams more it would be a God send for them. No single player on the board at either WR or RB is worthy of a pick this high so they combine a need with the talent at this pick.

11. Broncos- Rolando McClain LB

They need a high quality LB'ers across the board and McClain is the best talent to address this and his skill fits the pick.

12. Dolphins- Dan Williams NT

Yes, they could use help elsewhere, but I believe the Tuna knows this is a hard position to find at a high level and will jump at the chance to select him with this pick.

13. 49'ers- Joe Hayden CB

Yes they too need a LT, but getting the #1 rated "true CB" at this pick is too tempting to pass up. Their need at CB is high and Joe Hayden's ranking at this pick is high too.

14. Seahawks- Taylor Mays S

To some this may seem like a reach but not to Pete Carroll. He coached Mays. Mays is a freak when you combine speed, size and his ceiling could go through the roof. Not only that, but he already knows Carrolls system and can be the starter at S day one because of it. The perfect fit for Carroll.

15. Giants- Derrick Morgan DE

Once again, yes the Giants could go with C.J. Spiller here to mix in that smaller back into their arsonel giving them yet another deminsion they lack at RB. But C.J. isn't an every down RB. So considering their needs, a high quality DE seems more logical than a "part time" RB this high in the draft.

16. Titans- John Paul-Pierre OLB

He fits perfectly in their system and is a very high quality pick in a dire position of need. Yes they could go in another direction, ie....Spiller, but I feel they would rather take a guy who can play most every down on D rather than a RB who will be splitting carries. But tou never know.....

17. 49'ers- Anthony Davis LT

They really are lucky Davis fell to them here and with Mike Singletary as their HC, if anybody knows the game is won or lost in the trenches, he does.

18. Stoolers- Mike Iupati G

They need help across the board pretty much on the OL, but I can see them looking to Iupati instead of going C with this pick. IMO the top rated G is a little more valuable than the top rated C at this juncture in the draft.

19.Falcons- Brandon Graham DE

Once again this is a position of dire need and luckily for the Falcons a guy with the right talent has fallen to them at this pick.

20.Texans- Kyle Wilson CB

Once again, this is a pick I could see Spiller going as they can use a complimentory RB. But finding a quality CB this late in the draft is an answer to their prayers.

21. Bengals- Jermaine Gresham

The Bengals have been searching for an answer at the TE position for a while now. Ben Utecht looked promising but then fell flat on his face and inuries didn't help. Gresham would be an answer to their prayers at this stage of the draft.

22. Patriots- Dez Bryant

Do they really need Dez Bryant? No, not really but Bilichick has three second round picks and the drop off in their positions of need are such that I don't feel Bill sees that much of a drop of from here to those second round picks. It would be hard not to pick Bryant here considering having all of those second round picks.

23. Packers- Sean Weatherspoon LB

I feel Weatherspoon fits well within their system and fills the need with the talent combined to make this a very logical pick for the Pack at 23.

24. Eagles- Devin McCourtey CB

God knows the Eagles need a lot in this draft! Despite what their FO says it's a re-build or at least a re-tooling in Philly and at positions of need, I feel McCourtey has the promise to answer their CB need for years to come.

25.Ravens- Jared Ordick DE

That Rats D is getting old and losing a lot of its punch. Ordick fits the mold that the Rats like and at #25 I just don't feel they can pass him up.

26. Cardinals- Charles Brown OT

Yes the biggest need for the Cards is at the LB position, but at this jucture of the draft, there is no value here to be found at the LB position. They need upgrades on their OL and I don't see Gandy being there considering his play. Some may feel this pick doesn't fit, but Brown has a lot of talent and finding a LT of this caliber at the #26 pick is nothing short of a miracle for them.

27. Cowboys- C.J. Spiller

The Boys are having an issue with their RB's not producing the way they'd like to see. They run in tandems so Spiller fits in nicely here. Spiller would add that speed and hands issue the Boys need to address at RB. It would add another deminsion to their O and this late in the first, Spiller may just be too hard to pass up.

28. Chargers- Ryan Mathews RB

This is a no brainer for the Bolts. After releasing LT they need that bigger, every down back and Mathews fits that mold perfectly.

29. Jets- Terrance Cody NT

Yes, the Jets need a RB as well but the Bolts just pulled the rug out from underneath them in the previous pick. Needing a NT in the 3-4, you'll never beat a guy like Cody at this pick. Once again a high caliber player in a position of need fell into their laps. With Ryan at the helm and considering the depletion at their other positions of need, Cody fits like a glove for the J-E-T-S. Ryan will be drooling......lol

30. Vikings- Nate Alan S

Some may see this as a bit of a reach but if you look at their seconday, both CB and S are needed in the worst way. At this stage of the draft I have Nate Alan ranked higher than any CB left on the board and he is as big of a need as CB. Their secondary is getting old and needs an infusion of talent at every position.

31. Colts- Roger Safford OT

Is it a slight reach? Yes it is but not much of one.If it were, I think the Colts would go in another direction. All three of their needs are pretty much depleted. That would be CB, S and DE. Manning is still very good, but at this stage of the game, protecting him is more critical than ever and Safford is far less of a reach with great upside at the LT position. The Colts could go with Jerry Hughes here, but Safford seems like a more logical pick with Manning ageing.

32. Saints- Jerry Hughes DE

In the 4-3, hughes makes since here. In the 3-4 he would have to be converted to LB which is the only real reason I see him falling to the Saints. They need a DT too, but I feel they would be reaching to get one and Hughes is rated much higher than any 4-3 DT I have on my board and fills just as great of a need.

I understand that in this initial moch I have people dropping who most have rated higher. Especially in the WR position and some would most likely consider to be in the RB position as well. I understand that I don't have the top rated C, Pouncey going in the first either.

But I feel as my mock evolves closer to the draft, changes will be made to include Pouncey and possibly one more WR and possibly another RB.

At this time however, I really don't see guys like Golden Tate being rated high enough with so much depth at OT, DE, and CB. This draft is deep in so many key positions that are so hard to find, at this point in time I see some of what many consider "skill positions" dropping like flies. lol

jmho

NOTE: I type slow and am NOT going to try to edit this thing!

So hopefully you can understand everything I am posting here even though you may not agree with it.

Not usually one to nitpick but lol man....are you tipsy or something?

I like your draft and see some similarities with some of my own "predictions" with the upcoming draft. I think for one, your are spot on with your assessment of the OT's being taken within the first ten picks of this years upcoming draft. The top 4 OT's rated in this draft can pretty much step in and start for the club which drafts them, and will be most likely given that chance. OT's are a priority in the NFL and if 3 of the 4 can play LT and be solid, it tells you that you can't pass on these guys when they are a need for that team because these guys are very important and hard to find, and in 2010 are deep in this position. This is the main reason that leads me to think Berry will fall to us at 7, LT's are just that important, and normally without drafting one it is hard to find one viaa free agency..

I like your thinking on Taylor Mays going to the Seahawks with the 14th pick, that seems to be a natural fit with the history him and Carroll coach, but it also addresses a need.

Good solid mock draft in my eyes, it makes a lot of sense to me.

Go Browns!

I'm not usually one for spelling smack but you managed to incorrectly spell 8 of the 32 (a full 1/4) first-round mock-draftees names. I don't know if "John Paul-Pierre" can even count as a misspelling so much as just being completely the wrong name, but even if it doesn't, you spelled the Notre Dame QB (and Cleveland's likely 1st-round pick) wrong two different ways. I just thought it was funny.

Here's a sports writers mock, they let the sports writers who cover each team pick their player. Mary Kay picked Clausen.

Link


By Sam Farmer Tribune newspapers

1:07 p.m. CDT, April 10, 2010


And now a word from my colleagues.

To piece together my mock draft version 2.0, I simulated a draft by calling, in order, newspaper writers who cover the first-round teams on a daily basis.

Some results were surprising. Center Maurkice Pouncey went earlier than I expected, USC's Taylor Mays and Everson Griffen fell out of the first round and Dez Bryant was the only receiver chosen.

Scribes, you are on the clock:

1. Rams: QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma. (pick by Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post-Dispatch) "They're doing everything but stitching his name on his jersey."

2. Lions: DT Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska. (Nick Cotsonika, Detroit Free Press) "Suh is the smart, multidimensional and productive player the Lions want."

3. Buccaneers: DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma. (Rick Stroud, St. Petersburg Times) "If McCoy or Suh is there, the Buccaneers will run to the commissioner with the card."

4. Redskins: OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma State. (Rick Maese, Washington Post) " Donovan McNabb will have someone to protect his blind side, a luxury Jason Campbell didn't often have."

5. Chiefs: S Eric Berry, Tennessee. (Adam Teicher, Kansas City Star) "It's been close to 10 years since the Chiefs have had a playmaking safety in the secondary."

6. Seahawks: OT Trent Williams, Oklahoma. (Danny O'Neil, Seattle Times) "His athleticism makes him a better fit than Iowa's Brian Bulaga for Alex Gibbs' zone-blocking scheme."

7. Browns: QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame. (Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland Plain Dealer) "The Browns could try to trade the pick, draft Clausen and trade him or draft him and keep him. They also like Colt McCoy."

8. Raiders: OT Bruce Campbell, Maryland. (Jerry McDonald, Oakland Tribune) "There's a 50-50 shot they take Campbell, but they'd probably take Trent Williams over him."

9. Bills: OT Brian Bulaga, Iowa. (Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News) "The left tackle position torpedoed the entire team last year. The Bills would be happy to get any of the top guys."

10. Jaguars: ILB Rolando McClain, Alabama. (Vito Stellino, Florida Times-Union) "The Jaguars are short on linebackers. Question is, is McClain better than the best defensive end on the board?"

11. Broncos: C Maurkice Pouncey, Florida. (Lindsay Jones, Denver Post) "This is a bit high for a center, but the Broncos don't have one. If they were to line up today, they'd have nobody to snap the ball."

12. Dolphins: WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State. (Omar Kelly, South Florida Sun Sentinel) "Dez Bryant is looking for a father figure, and Bill Parcells wouldn't mind being one. The Dolphins need a difference maker at receiver."

13. 49ers: CB Joe Haden, Florida. (Matt Maiocco, Santa Rosa Press Democrat) "The 49ers need help in the secondary, and their corners aren't great. Haden would be a good pick at a high-profile position of need."

14. Seahawks: RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson. (O'Neil) "Seattle is one of four teams not to have a 1,000-yard rusher in any of the past four seasons. Spiller would be an instant upgrade at the position."

15. Giants: DE Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida. (Ralph Vacchiano, New York Daily News) "He's a freakish athlete, and the Giants have some uncertainty at the position, especially with Osi Umenyiora unhappy."

16. Titans: DE Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech. (Jim Wyatt, The Tennessean) "The Titans are in desperate need of an impact player at the position after losing Kyle Vanden Bosch in free agency."

17. 49ers: OT Anthony Davis, Rutgers. ( Dan Brown, San Jose Mercury News) "The 49ers sorely need offensive line help, and Mike Singletary's presence will help allay concerns about Davis' character."

18. Steelers: G Mike Iupati, Idaho. (Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) "The Steelers need to start getting some studs on their offensive line, and Iupati certainly is that. He's a safe pick for them."

19. Falcons: OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri. (D. Orlando Ledbetter, Atlanta Journal-Constitution) "With Mike Peterson turning 34, the Falcons need a run-and-hit linebacker who's adept in coverage."

20. Texans: S Earl Thomas, Texas. (Jerome Solomon, Houston Chronicle) "The Texans really need some help in the secondary, and Thomas has the type of ballhawking skills they could use."

21. Bengals: TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma. (Joe Reedy, Cincinnati Enquirer) "Tight end is a real weakness for the Bengals. They need a guy who can both block and stretch the field."

22. Patriots: OLB Sergio Kindle, Texas. (Karen Guregian, Boston Herald) "Kindle fits the physical prototype the Patriots like for an OLB/DE. They also like Michigan's Brandon Graham."

23. Packers: CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State. (Bob McGinn, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) " Al Harris is 35 and coming off reconstructive knee surgery; Charles Woodson is 33. Robinson fills a real need."

24. Eagles: CB Kyle Wilson, Boise State. (Jeff McLane, Philadelphia Inquirer) "With Sheldon Brown gone to Cleveland, the Eagles need a cornerback who can step right into the starting lineup."

25. Ravens: DT Jared Odrick, Penn State. (Jamison Hensley, Baltimore Sun) "The Ravens need youth on the defensive line, and Odrick would fit right into their 3-4 scheme."

26. Cardinals: DT Dan Williams, Tennessee. (Kent Somers, Arizona Republic) "The Cardinals have been searching for a 3-4 nose tackle ever since Ken Whisenhunt arrived. They need somebody who can hold the middle."

27. Cowboys: OT Charles Brown, USC. (Clarence Hill, Fort Worth Star-Telegram) "With Flozell Adams gone, the Cowboys have a hole at the position. Brown not only fills an area of need, but he fits in that draft slot."

28. Chargers: RB Ryan Mathews, Fresno State. (Jay Paris, North County Times) "LaDainian Tomlinson is gone, and the Chargers have a void at running back. They'll hope to get Alabama DT Terrence Cody in the second."

29. Jets: DE Brandon Graham, Michigan. (Rich Cimini, New York Daily News) "One of the problems the Jets had on defense was they had to blitz a lot of guys to get pressure. They need a pass rusher."

30. Vikings: CB Devin McCourty, Rutgers. (Judd Zulgad, Minneapolis Star Tribune) "Depth at corner is a problem for the Vikings, who have had health problems at the position. They really like McCourty."

31. Colts: DT Brian Price, UCLA. (Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star) "The Colts failed in their attempt to get better on the defensive line last offseason. The bid continues this year."

32. Saints: OLB Jerry Hughes, TCU. (Mike Triplett, New Orleans Times-Picayune) "Hughes might be a 'tweener for a 4-3 defense, but defensive coordinator Gregg Williams will find a way to fit him in."