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After last season I lost confidence he could be our future leader but I can't say I'm enamored with what we got for him. His contract was cheap enough to hang onto the guy until someone was hurt this next season and trade him off to them, we could have done better for ourselves, I feel anyway. If no one got hurt and he sat on the bench for another year for 700K, not a bad price for a 2nd or 3rd qb.
As Damon mentioned, the guy is a class act regardless of how well that transfers to field and I just don't believe he would have become a cancer sitting on our bench.
I think Holmgren covered this in his presser. He felt that the only fair thing to do was trade him now.
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I don't like this move at all. Say what you want but this will come back to haunt us...
everyone here knows how I felt about Quinn....
however, if old man Jake was the best we could do, then we should have just given Quinn another year...
This is where I think the mistake is
If all we could come up with is Jake, we should have gave Quinn one more year, and drafted a QB in the draft
this way if Quinn had a lights out year like Da did in 07, we could trade him for a high draft pick and move forward with our drafted rookie...
this deal will come back to bite us because we gave him up for virtually nothing....
I don't believe Quinn was as bad as he showed last year, even though I didn't care for Quinn I will admit that...face it...12 games is not a fair shot at anything...again another mishandled QB....
I believe we would be no worse off going with Quinn another year then handing old man jake the money we did....
this move reeks of desperation by this front office.
Also, Wimbley was not as bad as many thought....sure he was not another Merriman, but he was a solid OLB....sure he didn't live up to his draft slot, but he wasn't bust and was a serviceable OLB for us....we should have kept him, now we have yet another hole to fill...
I just don't understand about why EVERY time we hire someone we have to get rid of everyone.,...its getting old
Corey Williams really came on last year as a NT....he was our 2nd best DL...and was almost on par with Rogers.,..the dude "tore it up" when moved inside to DT, his natural position, we played Williams out of position he was NOT a DE..he is a DT/NT...and he played well when given the chance to play his natural position
our D just got a heck of a lot worse...good DL are hard to come by, and we got rid of a very important one...Williams was a big reason our D played so well when Rogers got hurt....who we got now? That wasa dumb trade on the part of this FO
We will NOT compete for jack squat this year...another wasted season....
I am sick of excuses
Dan Reeves went into a god awful 1-15 giants team, and took pretty much the same core players and added a few pieces and got them into the playoffs....you gotta win with what you have, you gotta use the talent dealt to you the best you can.
im sick of the Browns FO making excuses after excuses why they can't win a game and dumping people to justify it.
In Denver with a good O minded coach Like McDaniels, Quinn will look like Jay cutler, because McDaniels will play to Quinns strengths...we had no OL, no receivers, and no real running game till the end of the year.....I can say Quinn didn't look good, but who would?
Heckert said with cocky brashness and arrogance "I know QB's" well if Quinn goes to Denver and puts up a Pro bowl year...i guess Heckert don't know as much as he thinks he does.
Im tired of tearing everything down all the time...im tired of it...it speaks of ineptitude....
Randy Lerner is not a good owner..I don't care if he hires Paul Brown...the guy is not a good owner...he is a big part of the reason this team stinks...
Lerner should have "put aside" his hurt feelings for the good of the team and allowed Savage and Crennell to work out the remainder of their contracts...
You don't fire your GM and Head coach after giving them a contract extension...its dumb...its dishonrable and ignorant...You look at the Rooney's. The Rooneys would NEVER fire their coach so soon after giving them and extension....its just not the right thing to do...its unfair to your employee you hired....
I got a hunchy feeling the Walrus will fail here....why?
Because he is making the same mistakes the previous regimes have....getting rid of the few players you have on the roster that are any good at all, and believing with your big ego that you can just fix everything....
Holmgren has been pretty average drafting, and he will have final say...look at his 99 draft in Seattle to see my point.....his later drafts were a bit better though...however as GM Holmgren batted just above .500...Ron Wolf built the Packers...Ron Wolf is the most under-rated GM....that guy is just a genuis....Holmgren the Head coach is a hall of famer, and I believe we would benefit the most from Holmgren being on the sidelines as HC
The ONLY way the Walrus fixes this team is if he takes over as President and HC
the question is...when this team stinks this year, will he dismiss Mangini and assume the head set on the sidelines? I sure hope so!
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I've never seen so many words spent on a player who is no longer on the team.
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Werent around for Couch v Holcomb? 
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I don't like this move at all. Say what you want but this will come back to haunt us...
old...here is the deal...Quinn got his chance to be the starting QB twice for the Browns.
In 2008, Quinn got a chance to start after playing backup to Anderson for a 1.5 yrs. Quinn's body of work added up to completing 45 of 90 passes ( 50.6%), 518 yds, 2 td and 2 int and a QB rating of 66.6, 1 win, 2 losses
Also, Quinn broke a finger on his throwing hand and was place on IR after starting 3 games.
In 2009, Quinn was handed the keys to the car from day one of the regular season started 3 games, played backup to Anderson for 3 games, then started 7 games in a row.
In those 10 starts, Quinn's body of work...136/256 (53.1%), 1339 yds, 8 tds and 7 ints, QB rating 67.2, 2 wins vs 8 losses.
In the Chiefs game, Quinn injured his foot and again finished the season on the IR.
Looking at the facts, it raises a lot of questions concerning Quinn's future in the NFL as a starting QB. It's hard to win in the NFL if your QBs don't play better than they did the last two seasons.
Ultimately, Holmgren is responsible for turning the Browns into a winning franchise. Given the fact that Holmgren knows good QB play when he sees it, Browns fans might want to trust his judgement....jmho...mac
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Weren't they still on the team when that went down?
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That debate went on LONG after both were gone from the team.
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So I should expect this Quinn thread to go deep into January right?
I'm fine with Quinn being gone, but it just seems like a lot of people are spending quite a few words on a guy that don't care for.
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nrtu I just feel I have to put my final 2 cents in on Brady Quinn. First of all he was just like many of us a Browns fan that has continuously had our hearts torn out. But now he is one up on any of us, he has been ditched by our beloved team. As fans we never get traded but this young man has been dealt to the team that has owned us in the AFC championships and he knows it. He may say all the right things but his heart more than likely has been torn out. This very well can be a good thing for Quinn and for that I am happy but the fact that he never really had a true opportunity to be the Browns undisputed QB makes my heart very heavy as I'm sure it does his. I understand the thinking of MH with all the controversy at the QB position but let me say it is not over by a long shot. If he or anyone else think Jake Delome is the answer this year or in the future I have to feel sorry for them! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I've watched Quinn play since High School here in Columbus. I think he is much better than he has "had the opportunity" to prove. There's no man crush, no homerism... just think he has had a raw deal in Cleveland..
I am in cols too, i think you are right- he's gonna be good somewhere-BUT he had NO chance to succeed with the browns-who knows why?
Since he wasnt a good match, better to trade him, i just just wish we had gotten more but we screwed the whole QB thing up Royally, so thats the way it is...
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Honestly ... what is it that makes people get upset and say things like 'this will come back to haunt us'?
Don't know.. must be related to that opposite feeling that causes people to make up disparaging nicknames for a guy and mock his struggles... even though all he ever tried to do was his best...
I think it's sort of a natural human characteristic (similar to the one we see in politics) that says, if I'm going to support him then I sort of have to make him out to be more than he really is... and if I'm opposed to somebody, then I have to make them out to be worse than they really are.. sort of allows us to justify our own likes and dislikes...
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We've seen things from very different views before, but I gotta say:
This time you posted one that really sang to me.
I'm still in GM mode for the most part, and still have no problem with BQ being traded, BUT...
...I like that you put BQ's (and your) 'personal interest' angle into the thread.
As fans, we're allowed to cheer for team AND individual players alike, if we so choose. There ain't no law against it. Even though I had no feelings about BQ at all before he came here, I can understand why some folks may have. I won't hold that against any of them. Even though I tried to watch BQ as a student, I also watched him as a fan... and wanted to see him excel when he got his shots. If others rooted for him for more reasons than just mine, I won't hold it against them, either. Not Ever.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be Brady Quinn, Charlie Frye or LeCharles Bentley- getting a chance to play for your childhood Dream Team- so I certainly can't imagine what it would be like to get traded away, without making much of an impact.
Thanks for bringing a different view to the mix... and for putting a human spin on the whole trade/draft/FA angle.
Great post! It really made me think.
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Daman, I usually consider you a very knowledgeable poster but you seem to leave out some important facts here. Quote:
Couldn't beat out Frye his first year..
The fact that he held out and Romeo was not even going to consider him to start the first game makes your statement false. And add to the fact that Anderson came out on fire right after that sealed Quinns fate in 07. Plus think about it this way at that time it was widely believed that a first year rookie QB should sit and learn his first season.
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Couldn't beat out Anderson
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well, I'm sorry to report that Quinn couldn't get up off the chair much less rise to the top of anything...
Lets see our Pro Bowl QB did allot worse this year than Quinn did but you want to lay all of the blame on a young man that has had very little talent around him or time to feel any continuity about the game. Guess what any athlete will tell you that it takes time for the game to slow down and once that happens the light comes on. From what I have seem the light will come on in Denver which is our loss! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Corpus:
We've seen things from very different views before, but I gotta say:
This time you posted one that really sang to me.
I'm still in GM mode for the most part, and still have no problem with BQ being traded, BUT...
...I like that you put BQ's (and your) 'personal interest' angle into the thread.
As fans, we're allowed to cheer for team AND individual players alike, if we so choose. There ain't no law against it. Even though I had no feelings about BQ at all before he came here, I can understand why some folks may have. I won't hold that against any of them. Even though I tried to watch BQ as a student, I also watched him as a fan... and wanted to see him excel when he got his shots. If others rooted for him for more reasons than just mine, I won't hold it against them, either. Not Ever.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be Brady Quinn, Charlie Frye or LeCharles Bentley- getting a chance to play for your childhood Dream Team- so I certainly can't imagine what it would be like to get traded away, without making much of an impact.
Thanks for bringing a different view to the mix... and for putting a human spin on the whole trade/draft/FA angle.
Great post! It really made me think.
Dam Clem,
You almost made me tear up. at least someone has some feelings around these boards! 
It's people like you that keep me coming back even if some of the board would really like me to leave! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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So, why doesn't every team switch QB's willy nilly when one is sucking?
If you are looking for a "one size fits all answer" I don't have one. Each situation is different.
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Part of the anger that came towards Quinn was the fact that there's a double standard between how him and DA were treated in Cleveland, when they were both horrendous.
DA and Quinn could make the same mistakes, but DA would be crucified, and Quinn would have every possible excuse made for him.
I will say I wish BQ the best of luck in the future and that he's a class act, where as Derek Anderson can bite me for the comments he made.
But still, it made me sick at how DA was crucified and Quinn was glorified. Now, I used to champion the cause for Quinn starting...until I saw him play. But others continued to champion his cause even though he was terrible...and that honestly bugs the crap out of me. Vers was literally 100% correct about a certain faction of Browns Fan acting like brats when it came to BQ...literally spoiled, pink jersey wearing brats.
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I understand the thinking of MH with all the controversy at the QB position but let me say it is not over by a long shot. If he or anyone else think Jake Delhomme is the answer this year or in the future I have to feel sorry for them!
Corp, we don't agree on much but this is one of those times I think you're right on target.
I understand the feeling that a clean slate is the best. And maybe it is. My problem is with the timing and who we got to replace the last "set" of QBs.
Maybe Jake will go back to being what he was 3-4 years ago. I sure hope so. But I'm not holding my breath. And I'll be honest, another year like last year and this team will suck the life out of me.
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The fact that he held out and Romeo was not even going to consider him to start the first game makes your statement false. And add to the fact that Anderson came out on fire right after that sealed Quinns fate in 07.
Did you notice that I gave him a pass on 07.. I didn't say why cause I didn't think he needed said, but to make myself clear, your statement above is why the pass was given... we agree.
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Since it seems to be 08 that you are talking about you are a smart enough poster to know that Anderson was named the starter when he got the big contract. If you can't understand that then you are not as sharp as I thought you were.
Not accurate Corpus.. There was a QB competition in the 08 camp.. I'm surprised you don't remember that.
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Lets see our Pro Bowl QB did allot worse this year than Quinn did but you want to lay all of the blame on a young man that has had very little talent around him or time to feel any continuity about the game.
Whoa there young fella.. Our "Once" Pro Bowl QB was a waste.. we all pretty much know that now.. (some knew long before I figured it out)..
But comparing one "Bad" QB with another "Bad' QB doesn't setttle anything.. It just means that those in power don't have the courage to make the distastful, but necessary moves to get better people.
Or, as the current regime is doing, getting different/transitional people. (they clearly aren't done yet so all I can give them grade wise is an incomplete)
I guess because I didn't stand up for Quinn, I must be a heartless SOB.. I'm not anything close to that..
As I stated and I mean it, I wanted him to succeed.. For good reason..he's a good kid,, a Class act.. and because his success was good for the Browns.
I said what I said,, and I'm sticking by it.
Anytime a player doesn't get it done, for any reason, you reach a point where it's time to move on.
All the current management did is decide that it was time to end the madness and move on., Let Quinn have a shot elsewhere..and we have a clean slate as well..
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Guess what any athlete will tell you that it takes time for the game to slow down and once that happens the light comes on. From what I have seem the light will come on in Denver which is our loss
I get that,, it takes time to transition from college to the Pros.. But just looking at Preseason games and camp, it never appeared that Quinn had the game slow down for him. At some point, you have to look at whats in front of you and make a decision.
I wish him all the luck in Denver. Maybe Josh Mcdaniels can help him be the best he can be. I hope so.. Like I said, he's a class kid and I want him to do well..
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Vers was literally 100% correct about a certain faction of Browns Fan acting like brats when it came to BQ...literally spoiled, pink jersey wearing brats.
 Coming from the guy that admittedly used to rip Charlie Frye because he stiffed you on an autograph, this is the chuckle of the day.......
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And the guy who was a big Quinn fan, then hated him.
And was a huge Mangini fan, then hated him for a while, too.
Gotta take Ammo with a grain of salt most of the time.
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And so the Brady Quinn era ends with a whimper in Cleveland, roughly the same way it did for Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Garcia, Kelly Holcomb and Tim Couch before him. There was much promise and fanfare upon arrival, but only an air of failure and disappointment as he made his exit. As trends go, I cannot fathom a bigger dead-end job in the NFL than playing quarterback for the Browns over the past 10 years or so. No quarterback ever leaves Cleveland with their reputation burnished and their future looking bright. They depart as damaged goods, and just hope -- over time -- to put a few of the pieces back together. Sunday's trade of Quinn to Denver sweeps the slate completely clean at quarterback in Cleveland. Gone are Quinn, a 2007 first-round pick, and Anderson, a 2007 Pro Bowl selection, and in their place come Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Clearly, new team president Mike Holmgren must have come to the same conclusion that was etched on the face of head coach Eric Mangini last season: Given two bad options to pick from at the game's most pivotal position, he decided he could live with neither one. If this were a game of cards, Holmgren just threw a pair to the discard pile and chose to go fish. It's hard to disagree with the notion that new blood was needed at quarterback for the Browns. Quinn and Anderson spent most of the past two years locked in a mortal battle of mediocrity -- and that was on their good days. Cleveland quarterbacking had become such a quagmire that its most productive plays seemed to invariably include all-purpose receiver/return man Josh Cribbs taking snaps in the Wildcat formation. Quinn and Anderson are gone, and that much was easy to see coming. But tougher to discern is where the Browns are now headed at the position that can either make or break an NFL team. Delhomme certainly makes for a curious savior at this point. He's 35, coming off the worst season of his seven-year stay in Carolina (18 interceptions, 59.4 passer rating) and his name has become almost synonymous with turnovers ever since that ghastly meltdown against Arizona in the 2008 NFC divisional playoffs. Is he really the guy who deserves the chance to build on the four-game season-ending winning streak that Cleveland mounted for Mangini after its horrid 1-11 start? If Delhomme couldn't take care of the football and win as a game manager-type quarterback in 2009 for the Panthers -- who had a decent defense and the first-ever NFL running game to feature a pair of 1,100-yard rushers -- what should give anyone the belief that he can succeed without those obvious advantages in Cleveland? Seriously, am I missing something? Which is why my money is actually on Wallace to wind up with the Browns' starting job at some point fairly early in the 2010 season -- if not from the get-go based on beating out Delhomme in the preseason. Wallace isn't going to wow anyone, but Holmgren did draft the seven-year veteran out of Iowa State in 2003 and genuinely believes in his talent. The Seahawks didn't win much the past two years with anyone at quarterback, but Wallace is no slouch, even if he does wear the career-backup label. In 2008, he threw for 11 touchdowns and just three interceptions, with an 87.0 passer rating in relief of the injured Matt Hasselbeck. And last year, he was a 65 percent passer (78 of 120), with three touchdowns, two interceptions and a decent 81.9 QB rating. Nothing spectacular, but that's still more than 20 points higher than Delhomme's QB rating. Can Wallace elevate his game enough to lift the Browns out of last place in the tougher-all-the-time AFC North? I'm not sure. But he wouldn't be the first Cleveland quarterback to prove he's not up to that challenge. The Browns have finished in last place eight times in the 11 years since they were reborn as a 1999 expansion team, and still own just one playoff berth and two winning records in that span. At least Holmgren is doing the smart thing in getting whatever he can for the players who have underachieved in Cleveland and amassing as many picks as possible in the 2010 draft, the deepest in years. Besides dealing Quinn to Denver in exchange for fullback Peyton Hillis, a sixth-round pick this year and a conditional pick next year, the Browns sent 2006 first-round pick Kamerion Wimbley to Oakland on Sunday, getting a third-round selection this year in exchange for the outside linebacker. Cleveland now owns 13 picks in April -- almost two per round -- and should be in position to remake at least a third of its roster. In the NFL, there are no quick fixes, but the Browns at least have the right idea. They've got to tear down a few walls and hope they can rebuild something stronger and more long-lasting. As for Quinn, the Dublin, Ohio, native who considered it his lifelong dream to quarterback the Browns, I'm sure he'll be more careful what he wishes for from here on out. In his three seasons in Cleveland, he started just 12 games, winning only three times. Though popular with Browns fans, his 10 touchdowns, nine interceptions and 66.8 passer rating never made anyone forget Bernie Kosar or Brian Sipe. And now the ex-Notre Damer is in Denver, where he'll serve as a fairly cheap insurance policy behind starter Kyle Orton, with the possibility of injecting himself into a competition for the No. 1 job if he thrives in Josh McDaniels' offense and Orton fails to deliver for a team that slumped to 8-8 last season after starting 6-0. Like Quinn, Orton played his college ball in Indiana, though for the less-heralded Purdue Boilermakers of the Big Ten. Quinn was one of the stories of the year in the 2007 draft -- when the Browns traded with Dallas to get back into the first round and take him at No. 22 -- and his arrival in Denver could ironically wind up impacting this year's first round, as well. With Quinn and Orton on hand, it's hard to see Denver spending its No. 11 overall pick on Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen. After all, one ex-Irish starter on the Broncos depth chart is probably enough. What does that mean for this year's first round? Perhaps that Seattle can afford to pass on Clausen with its valuable No. 6 pick, and be reasonably assured of still getting him with its second first-round choice, at No. 14. The only two teams between Denver and Seattle in that portion of the round -- No. 12 Miami and No. 13 San Francisco -- aren't thought to be in the market for a first-round quarterback. Whatever unfolds, Quinn's fresh start in Denver doesn't disguise the fact that another quarterback has crashed and burned in Cleveland. As most everyone starting with Tim Couch on down has learned the hard way, playing the game's glamour position for the Browns can be the NFL's ultimate career killer. link
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Coming from the guy that admittedly used to rip Charlie Frye because he stiffed you on an autograph, this is the chuckle of the day.......
I'm biting my tongue cuz I'd get banned.
I never, EVER ripped Charlie Frye for that. I ripped him cuz he's a bum.
You guys do realize that the guy who fabricated that falsehood about me is banned for being a liar about who he is, right? (I'm talking about that fraud CoachB)
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It's hard to disagree with the notion that new blood was needed at quarterback for the Browns. Quinn and Anderson spent most of the past two years locked in a mortal battle of mediocrity -- and that was on their good days. Cleveland quarterbacking had become such a quagmire that its most productive plays seemed to invariably include all-purpose receiver/return man Josh Cribbs taking snaps in the Wildcat formation.
Really to sum the article up..the main problem is the Browns continue to make bad choices in QB's..they think they know what they're doing but they really don't.
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Really to sum the article up..the main problem is the Browns continue to make bad choices in QB's..they think they know what they're doing but they really don't.
Hindsight is 20/20 vision, but it really comes down to that.. bad choices.. bad choices of who to draft or who to pick up.. and then bad decisions on how to handle them...
Management and Coaching of the Browns gets no free ride from me
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I'll tell you exactly what is it,....and I have PM'ed this theory amongst some of my closest confidants here,...
He went to Notre Dame.
That's like saying we didn't like edwards because he went to michigan..
Frankly, I could care less where a player went to college.. don't matter to me at all..
what he does while with the Browns is the ONLY thing that matters.. to me anyway.
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This is what Holmgren wanted to put an end to ...
Quinn says he wants to play Posted by Mike Florio on March 16, 2010 7:25 AM ET Though he has been added to a depth chart that features a starter due to make nearly four times the amount that Brady Quinn will earn in 2009, Quinn still wants to play. "I think every quarterback on our roster wants to play," Quinn said, per the Associated Press. "We're going to be team players first, but we all want to be out there playing." We suspect that most NFL quarterbacks feel that way, with the exception of guys like Charlie Batch, who had a so-so stint as a starter and who has made good money (and won a Super Bowl ring) while holding a clipboard. Quinn could have a shot at playing, if Orton decides to boycott offseason workouts while he squats on his one-year RFA tender. If the Broncos were truly committed to Orton, he would have been given a long-term contract by now. At a minimum, he would have been tendered at the first-round and third-round level. He wasn't, and this means that Quinn could swipe Orton's gig. Though the former Notre Dame star doesn't have much experience as a player in three NFL seasons, he's no stranger to a quarterback carousel. And his back-and-forth with Derek Anderson could serve him well in Colorado. web page Quinn has been a Bronco 2 days and the QB debate in Denver has started. Now the Bronco fans can argue over who should be their starter...Kyle Orton or Quinn.
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Of course I would expect a QB to want to play. Actually, anyone in the NFL.
But Quinn could not win and keep the starting job when his only competition was Derek Anderson. I would be surprised if he could do so against Orton.
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This is what Holmgren wanted to put an end to ...
Quinn says he wants to play
Posted by Mike Florio on March 16, 2010 7:25 AM ET
Though he has been added to a depth chart that features a starter due to make nearly four times the amount that Brady Quinn will earn in 2009, Quinn still wants to play.
"I think every quarterback on our roster wants to play," Quinn said, per the Associated Press. "We're going to be team players first, but we all want to be out there playing."
We suspect that most NFL quarterbacks feel that way, with the exception of guys like Charlie Batch, who had a so-so stint as a starter and who has made good money (and won a Super Bowl ring) while holding a clipboard.
Quinn could have a shot at playing, if Orton decides to boycott offseason workouts while he squats on his one-year RFA tender. If the Broncos were truly committed to Orton, he would have been given a long-term contract by now. At a minimum, he would have been tendered at the first-round and third-round level.
He wasn't, and this means that Quinn could swipe Orton's gig.
Though the former Notre Dame star doesn't have much experience as a player in three NFL seasons, he's no stranger to a quarterback carousel. And his back-and-forth with Derek Anderson could serve him well in Colorado.
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Quinn has been a Bronco 2 days and the QB debate in Denver has started. Now the Bronco fans can argue over who should be their starter...Kyle Orton or Quinn.
If the NFL would change how the player payment works this wouldn't be as big an issue. I would set a 'first year salary' (or first 2 years) benchmark by position and then have the spot you were drafted become a modifier. So if a first year QB makes 500,000 he could make 600k if drafted in first half of first round, 575k if second half of first round. This would make it possible for teams to 'teach' young players and develop them a bit before breaking the bank. After draft salary is completed you pay based on what they earn.
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I don't think 12 games is fair either. Heck, it's reported Holmgren said so, too.
I agree also,, and yeah, Holmgren said so also yesterday in the Presser..
And reading a bit between the lines, I got the impression that both Mangini and Holmgren were trying to be politically correct.
I think in a room, behind closed doors, with no press, if you asked Holmgren if Quinn had what it takes, he'd tell you no..,
Any other answer would mean that he admits to making a mistake in trading him.
Since he just traded him, I'd say that he doesn't feel it's a mistake.
No club president, especally one that admits the QB is the most important position on the team, is going to dump a QB that he feels has talent and the ability to lead his team.
Especially one that has a Fan Following that Quinn has,, and also, let's not forget something else,, Quinn appears to be a mature kid., a good young man.. with all that going for him, Holmgren would be a fool to trade him if he thought there was even a glimmer of hope he could succeed...
Further, Quinn had a very club friendly contract..
So while Holmgren might put on a smiling face and say something other than that. I believe he is saying,,,VERY clearly, that it's his opinion that Quinn isn't starter material..
This is just my opinion,, can't prove that I'm right,,But I'd bet on it.. (if I were a betting man that is)
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I havent weighed in...but as a guy that was a bgi DA supporter...I'm glad theyre both gone.
DA got a raw deal and I think what he said is exactly what he shouldve said. I was sad that it came to that, but i wouldve felt the same way. We gave him so much unneccessary flack when we shouldnt have. Yea he deserved it this year and I was watching games this year thinking...ok, he's really gotta go this is bad bad football.
And when Quinn got his shot...he wasnt a lot better. Yea we won games based on our running game but Quinn was never the reason we won a game, and i think its interesting that the 2 best games he had (Denver and Detroit) we still didnt win. I dont understand it, but that still stays true.
It was best for everything HERE to get rid of Quinn...No QB will ever have a safe job with him on the roster. And if his job is safe, his confidence might not be....he would be booed mercilessly for any mistakes (especially Delhomme who will be anyway).
Quinn HAD to go...this is more of a relief to me than anything. We now have a QB who has a winning record as a starter. Anderson doesnt, Quinn doesnt, Wallace doesnt, Ratliff doesnt. Delhomme knows how to win, and this is a fresh start for him to get back there.
And if he falters...thats fine because Seneca Wallace is there as insurance.
I applaud the Browns for all of their moves concerning QBs this year. Get rid of baggage and bring in 2 players of starter quality that will understand being 2nd string because of their past.
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I'll tell you exactly what is it,....and I have PM'ed this theory amongst some of my closest confidants here,...
He went to Notre Dame.
That's like saying we didn't like edwards because he went to michigan..
Frankly, I could care less where a player went to college.. don't matter to me at all..
what he does while with the Browns is the ONLY thing that matters.. to me anyway.
Agree 100%, it is like saying that. Only, I never said it, and most of us haven't,... The fact remains that there are folks who won't admit that that's exactly why they didn't want Quinn. Edwards didn't have the dropsies "because" he went to Michigan-- he just plain had them. Same as Quinn's faults.
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I havent weighed in...but as a guy that was a bgi DA supporter...I'm glad theyre both gone.
DA got a raw deal and I think what he said is exactly what he shouldve said. I was sad that it came to that, but i wouldve felt the same way. We gave him so much unneccessary flack when we shouldnt have. Yea he deserved it this year and I was watching games this year thinking...ok, he's really gotta go this is bad bad football.
And when Quinn got his shot...he wasnt a lot better. Yea we won games based on our running game but Quinn was never the reason we won a game, and i think its interesting that the 2 best games he had (Denver and Detroit) we still didnt win. I dont understand it, but that still stays true.
It was best for everything HERE to get rid of Quinn...No QB will ever have a safe job with him on the roster. And if his job is safe, his confidence might not be....he would be booed mercilessly for any mistakes (especially Delhomme who will be anyway).
Quinn HAD to go...this is more of a relief to me than anything. We now have a QB who has a winning record as a starter. Anderson doesnt, Quinn doesnt, Wallace doesnt, Ratliff doesnt. Delhomme knows how to win, and this is a fresh start for him to get back there.
And if he falters...thats fine because Seneca Wallace is there as insurance.
I applaud the Browns for all of their moves concerning QBs this year. Get rid of baggage and bring in 2 players of starter quality that will understand being 2nd string because of their past.
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Everything here is 100% accurate.
It may have been the biggest double standard in all of sports...certainly all of Cleveland...all because Quinn made women in sparkling pink #10 jerseys go gaga and his stare... EDIT: FINE I TOOK IT OUT.
Quinn makes a mistake, it's someone else's fault.
DA makes a mistake, let's crucify him.
I'm just afraid that so many people are gonna be scarred from losing their fallen hero that they'll boo the next QB mercilously just because he doesn't ride in shirtless on a white horse named Buttercup like Quinn did.
Makes me wanna puke.
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My perception of everything-Quinn has changed substantially over the last year or so.
Quinn got the same undeserved hype and love that Frye got because they were "hometown heroes." Because of that, the perceived abilities of each guy were over-inflated.
However, this past year, I expected more unwavering support for Quinn, but was pleasantly surprised to see how far more people started to see reality. In fact, I recall more illogical support for Couch than I see for Quinn right now. Part of that is because people can say that Quinn only got 12 starts. Even though a QB ABSOLUTELY can be evaluated in that amount of time, the sheer number should mean a QB is going to get better in the next 20 or so starts.
In the end, I don't see the unwavering support for Quinn that I'd expected. There will always be those that think he'll be great and that we blew it, but that's the case with every player.
I've actually been impressed with the number of fans that recognize Quinn for what he is.
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My perception of everything-Quinn has changed substantially over the last year or so.
Quinn got the same undeserved hype and love that Frye got because they were "hometown heroes." Because of that, the perceived abilities of each guy were over-inflated.
However, this past year, I expected more unwavering support for Quinn, but was pleasantly surprised to see how far more people started to see reality. In fact, I recall more illogical support for Couch than I see for Quinn right now. Part of that is because people can say that Quinn only got 12 starts. Even though a QB ABSOLUTELY can be evaluated in that amount of time, the sheer number should mean a QB is going to get better in the next 20 or so starts.
In the end, I don't see the unwavering support for Quinn that I'd expected. There will always be those that think he'll be great and that we blew it, but that's the case with every player.
I've actually been impressed with the number of fans that recognize Quinn for what he is.
You and I are reading two completely different things then. My Facebook has blown up with outrage over it, for example.
I'm afraid Quinn's Widows won't give Delhomme or Wallace a chance.
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I've actually been impressed with the number of fans that recognize Quinn for what he is.
I think that's because we still don't really know...imo.
He has had only twelve starts to prove himself...and/or
He has had three years and horrible competition to "win" the job and couldn't do it.
Which is it?
Probably both. Time will tell.
I am officially indifferent.
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I've actually been impressed with the number of fans that recognize Quinn for what he is.
I think that's because we still don't really know...imo.
He has had only twelve starts to prove himself...and/or
He has had three years and horrible competition to "win" the job and couldn't do it.
Which is it?
Probably both. Time will tell.
I am officially indifferent.
This is how I see it. I don't think he was ever going to be some great QB but I do think he can have a solid career depending on his situation.
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You and I are reading two completely different things then. My Facebook has blown up with outrage over it, for example.
I'm afraid Quinn's Widows won't give Delhomme or Wallace a chance.
You're younger than I am. Facebook and Myspace (passe, I know) aren't the realm of people my age (38) or older as much as it is for y'all. To that end, younger folks always tend to judge based on emotion instead of evaluation.
As for the girlies.............sure, I'd expect that.
I'm basing my opinion on what I read from this board, and what I see around here are more viewpoints based on reality than I expected.
Take Willie for example. He just said that he is "indifferent" while noting that Quinn only got 12 starts. That is an honest opinion, not undeserved adoration, and undeserved adoration is what we're talking about. I don't agree that we can't evaluate Quinn after only 12 starts, but I can see why people may feel he should get more time. Again, that's not undeserved support, and that's what I'm surprised at.
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Toad, Quinn has gone to a team with some pretty decent talent, a young coach that has a system which should favor Quinn, and a mediocre QB... he has his chance and his play on the field, if he gets on the field, is the only thing that will determine if we made a mistake or not.
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i sat here and read the first half of this thread and now this half of this thread. i will add my .02.
Quinn sucks and DA sucks and I am glad they are both gone.
end of conversation.
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