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Perhaps it is the plethora of "I hate Quinn, he rides a horse called Buttercup, Captain Checkdown" comments on your Facebook page that has elicited a spirited response?
I've been honest in that I really wanted Quinn to succeed.. one because it would be great for the Browns to have an established QB but it would also be great if they had a "face of the franchise".. etc.. . Over time I saw him struggle and eventually I realized that he probably wasn't going to work out.. I could accept that. However, even now that I've accepted it, your pathetic insults still give me an urge to respond in a somewhat defensive way.. so maybe you are bringing all of this love of Quinn out of people, who otherwise wouldn't show it... could be.
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While true, the judgment at the moment is that we made a mistake by drafting him. The fact he's coming to the Donks as insurance for Orton speaks volumes to the league-wide perception of what Quinn is.
Even though I don't believe in him, he still has a chance to turn it around.
The reality is that if he's got anything at all, Denver is probably the one place where he could attempt to succeed. If McDaniels can make Orton look like a decent QB, then Quinn has a chance.
The flip-side is that Andra Davis went there and was surrounded by a pretty-strong pass rush and an attacking defense. He's since been released. Davis was what Davis always was. Quinn is going to have to show more ability than he's shown here, and I don't mean in games, I mean in practices and scrimmages. Quote:
Perhaps it is the plethora of "I hate Quinn, he rides a horse called Buttercup, Captain Checkdown" comments on your Facebook page that has elicited a spirited response?
(that in reply to Ammo)
I don't bother with the social networking sights, but if that's the stuff Ammo wrote on there, of COURSE people would come after him. 
"Buttercup............"
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Even if Quinn thrives his way to a Super Bowl appearance with Denver, does that mean we will be viewed as having made a mistake ?
Not in my opinion. That "miscue" is not as important to me as the ones that do, or might possibly follow, as a result to OUR team. Those are the mistakes I want to "not see happen,...."
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I think this one is funny...I also liked the movie
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Not accurate Corpus.. There was a QB competition in the 08 camp.. I'm surprised you don't remember that.
This is what I remember:
Anderson a Likely Brown in 2008
QB Derek Anderson By Scout.com
Posted Jan 10, 2008
Savage said Anderson would go into training camp as the starter after throwing 29 touchdowns in 2007.
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Browns aim to sign, start quarterback Derek Anderson for 2008 season
By Joey Morona
January 10, 2008, 8:29AM
Joshua Gunter/The PDSavage on quarterbacks: "We're more apt to want to do something with Derek that would take him beyond the 2008 season. We want to go into next season with both of our quarterbacks, plus Ken Dorsey intact."
The Browns plan to sign quarterback Derek Anderson to a multiyear deal soon, keep him off the restricted free-agent market and let him start at least one more season, Browns General Manager Phil Savage said Wednesday.
So Daman that is what I remember. Hope I refreshed yours! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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You know what, you may be right.. I may be confusing one year for the other.. you know how it is, you get older and after beating my head against a wall, I guess I may have gotten a concussion.., dunno
SO, Anderson went into camp as the designated starter.. and Quinn didn't or couldn't show enough to make them change thier minds..
Either way you look at it, if he was as good as proclaimed, he didn't show it..
I know there is great reason to believe that because Savage gave Anderson the new contract, that it's simple to say, he's our starter.. But remember what we gave up to get Quinn..,
So, the club made sizeable investments in both guys..
I'll say it again, Quinn wasn't good enough to take the job from Anderson..
Anderson wasn't a good QB.. what's that make Quinn?
AND AGAIN, let me say this clearly, I wanted someone to step up.. neither of these guys did. They both deserve to be gone...
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being less of a quinn advocate, i wouldn't even point to 08. what is the most telling, as i've said all offseason last year, was that no one "won" the qb comp when it was truly open. no one was actually announced as the starter. mangini hid behind the "i want vikings to prepare for both" but in actuality, all he did was show he had no confidence in either that they earned the job. this is further supported by quinns yanking 2.5 games into the season.
if you remember, mangini said "once that guy shows himself in training camp, i will announce him as the starter" and instead, we find out quinn started when the vikings game started. if one were in denial, he could blame mangini for that but really, it's clear he didn't want to pick from either of them.
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I think there wasn't a clear winner last year... and you are right Dong...Quinn, if as good as folks think he is, should have been able to blow Anderson away..
And he didn't..
That tells the story....
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I'll say it again, Quinn wasn't good enough to take the job from Anderson..
At this point all the conversation about Quinn having an opportunity to win the starting job is a mute point.
After saying that I feel the need to clarify that in the 3 years Quinn was here he really only had one opportunity to earn the starting job at the beginning of the season and that was this past season and he did win that competition, whether it was impressive or not.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I don't think Mangini liked either guy. Quinn wouldn't go down the field. Anderson couldn't take care of the ball. Both were bad options.
They are both gone.
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just hoping Delhomme doesnt throw too many INT's himself... Our defense can't handle that..
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I'll say it again, Quinn wasn't good enough to take the job from Anderson..
At this point all the conversation about Quinn having an opportunity to win the starting job is a mute point.
Oh if wishing made it so.
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After saying that I feel the need to clarify that in the 3 years Quinn was here he really only had one opportunity to earn the starting job at the beginning of the season and that was this past season and he did win that competition, whether it was impressive or not.
And I say, if Quinn was all that and a bag of chips, if he really and truly was the most NFL ready QB (as charlie Wiess said) he'd have been so strong in camp and preseason they would have had to give him a chance earlier.. especially since his primary competition was DA..
He was not....
Isn't the word Moot, not Mute?  Just kiddin
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just hoping Delhomme doesnt throw too many INT's himself... Our defense can't handle that..
To look up Delhomme, Delhomme jokes appears on the list.
The jokes are about his tendency to throw int's.
It will be up to the coaches to put a stop to the turnovers.
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that makes me feel better.. ::thinking about why they didn't put a stop to it with DA::
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web page And so the Brady Quinn era ends with a whimper in Cleveland, roughly the same way it did for Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Garcia, Kelly Holcomb and Tim Couch before him. There was much promise and fanfare upon arrival, but only an air of failure and disappointment as he made his exit. As trends go, I cannot fathom a bigger dead-end job in the NFL than playing quarterback for the Browns over the past 10 years or so. No quarterback ever leaves Cleveland with their reputation burnished and their future looking bright. They depart as damaged goods, and just hope -- over time -- to put a few of the pieces back together. Sunday's trade of Quinn to Denver sweeps the slate completely clean at quarterback in Cleveland. Gone are Quinn, a 2007 first-round pick, and Anderson, a 2007 Pro Bowl selection, and in their place come Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Clearly, new team president Mike Holmgren must have come to the same conclusion that was etched on the face of head coach Eric Mangini last season: Given two bad options to pick from at the game's most pivotal position, he decided he could live with neither one. If this were a game of cards, Holmgren just threw a pair to the discard pile and chose to go fish. It's hard to disagree with the notion that new blood was needed at quarterback for the Browns. Quinn and Anderson spent most of the past two years locked in a mortal battle of mediocrity -- and that was on their good days. Cleveland quarterbacking had become such a quagmire that its most productive plays seemed to invariably include all-purpose receiver/return man Josh Cribbs taking snaps in the Wildcat formation. Quinn and Anderson are gone, and that much was easy to see coming. But tougher to discern is where the Browns are now headed at the position that can either make or break an NFL team. Delhomme certainly makes for a curious savior at this point. He's 35, coming off the worst season of his seven-year stay in Carolina (18 interceptions, 59.4 passer rating) and his name has become almost synonymous with turnovers ever since that ghastly meltdown against Arizona in the 2008 NFC divisional playoffs. Is he really the guy who deserves the chance to build on the four-game season-ending winning streak that Cleveland mounted for Mangini after its horrid 1-11 start? If Delhomme couldn't take care of the football and win as a game manager-type quarterback in 2009 for the Panthers -- who had a decent defense and the first-ever NFL running game to feature a pair of 1,100-yard rushers -- what should give anyone the belief that he can succeed without those obvious advantages in Cleveland? Seriously, am I missing something? Which is why my money is actually on Wallace to wind up with the Browns' starting job at some point fairly early in the 2010 season -- if not from the get-go based on beating out Delhomme in the preseason. Wallace isn't going to wow anyone, but Holmgren did draft the seven-year veteran out of Iowa State in 2003 and genuinely believes in his talent. The Seahawks didn't win much the past two years with anyone at quarterback, but Wallace is no slouch, even if he does wear the career-backup label. In 2008, he threw for 11 touchdowns and just three interceptions, with an 87.0 passer rating in relief of the injured Matt Hasselbeck. And last year, he was a 65 percent passer (78 of 120), with three touchdowns, two interceptions and a decent 81.9 QB rating. Nothing spectacular, but that's still more than 20 points higher than Delhomme's QB rating. Can Wallace elevate his game enough to lift the Browns out of last place in the tougher-all-the-time AFC North? I'm not sure. But he wouldn't be the first Cleveland quarterback to prove he's not up to that challenge. The Browns have finished in last place eight times in the 11 years since they were reborn as a 1999 expansion team, and still own just one playoff berth and two winning records in that span. At least Holmgren is doing the smart thing in getting whatever he can for the players who have underachieved in Cleveland and amassing as many picks as possible in the 2010 draft, the deepest in years. Besides dealing Quinn to Denver in exchange for fullback Peyton Hillis, a sixth-round pick this year and a conditional pick next year, the Browns sent 2006 first-round pick Kamerion Wimbley to Oakland on Sunday, getting a third-round selection this year in exchange for the outside linebacker. Cleveland now owns 13 picks in April -- almost two per round -- and should be in position to remake at least a third of its roster. In the NFL, there are no quick fixes, but the Browns at least have the right idea. They've got to tear down a few walls and hope they can rebuild something stronger and more long-lasting. As for Quinn, the Dublin, Ohio, native who considered it his lifelong dream to quarterback the Browns, I'm sure he'll be more careful what he wishes for from here on out. In his three seasons in Cleveland, he started just 12 games, winning only three times. Though popular with Browns fans, his 10 touchdowns, nine interceptions and 66.8 passer rating never made anyone forget Bernie Kosar or Brian Sipe. And now the ex-Notre Damer is in Denver, where he'll serve as a fairly cheap insurance policy behind starter Kyle Orton, with the possibility of injecting himself into a competition for the No. 1 job if he thrives in Josh McDaniels' offense and Orton fails to deliver for a team that slumped to 8-8 last season after starting 6-0. Like Quinn, Orton played his college ball in Indiana, though for the less-heralded Purdue Boilermakers of the Big Ten. Quinn was one of the stories of the year in the 2007 draft -- when the Browns traded with Dallas to get back into the first round and take him at No. 22 -- and his arrival in Denver could ironically wind up impacting this year's first round, as well. With Quinn and Orton on hand, it's hard to see Denver spending its No. 11 overall pick on Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen. After all, one ex-Irish starter on the Broncos depth chart is probably enough. What does that mean for this year's first round? Perhaps that Seattle can afford to pass on Clausen with its valuable No. 6 pick, and be reasonably assured of still getting him with its second first-round choice, at No. 14. The only two teams between Denver and Seattle in that portion of the round -- No. 12 Miami and No. 13 San Francisco -- aren't thought to be in the market for a first-round quarterback. Whatever unfolds, Quinn's fresh start in Denver doesn't disguise the fact that another quarterback has crashed and burned in Cleveland. As most everyone starting with Tim Couch on down has learned the hard way, playing the game's glamour position for the Browns can be the NFL's ultimate career killer.
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We have gone through so many QB's..
I'm sure there has been over 20 QB's that have seen the field during the Brown's regular season since 1999.
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We have gone through so many QB's..
I'm sure there has been over 20 QB's that have seen the field during the Brown's regular season since 1999.
Jeff Garcia was the only one worth a damn.
He's the only one people can honestly say got a raw deal. He was improving when Robiskie starting calling more WCO-style plays...then OL injuries hit and it was all downhill from there.
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And so the Brady Quinn era ends with a whimper in Cleveland, roughly the same way it did for Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Garcia, Kelly Holcomb and Tim Couch before him. There was much promise and fanfare upon arrival, but only an air of failure and disappointment as he made his exit.
As trends go, I cannot fathom a bigger dead-end job in the NFL than playing quarterback for the Browns over the past 10 years or so. No quarterback ever leaves Cleveland with their reputation burnished and their future looking bright. They depart as damaged goods, and just hope -- over time -- to put a few of the pieces back together.
Sorry but writer needs to point OUT that none of those QB's were stars waiting to happen..the thought was Quinn could be a solid QB , but he was overhyped..
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I'm defending no one here, but the whole cast of roster characters and their overall play, with few exceptions, has been pretty abysmal, except for the fluke in 2007 & making the playoffs in 2002. We have been nothing but a staggering and floundering franchise since The Return.
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Perhaps it is the plethora of "I hate Quinn, he rides a horse called Buttercup, Captain Checkdown" comments on your Facebook page that has elicited a spirited response?
I've been honest in that I really wanted Quinn to succeed.. one because it would be great for the Browns to have an established QB but it would also be great if they had a "face of the franchise".. etc.. . Over time I saw him struggle and eventually I realized that he probably wasn't going to work out.. I could accept that. However, even now that I've accepted it, your pathetic insults still give me an urge to respond in a somewhat defensive way.. so maybe you are bringing all of this love of Quinn out of people, who otherwise wouldn't show it... could be
I could not have said it better myself. I agree totally.
As an aside to Ammo.....the Charlie Frye autograph incident was initially posted by you. Your buddy coachb then took it and ran with it every chance he got. But you started the ball rolling with the initial post. I've lost count on the players you initially loved then turned on like a spurned lover but it's gotta be in the dozens by now. You really need to get a hobby......... 
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(Since we have Ref clarification on podcasts in the Ref forum ....) You can get Kosar's take on the (former) QB(s) situation ....... Kind of interesting once you get to the part about Kosar watching tape with Daboll ... and how many tinmes receivers were running wide open ...... "An inordinate number of open receivers that the QB could not hook up with ....." as Kosar puts it .... That's why neither guy is still in Cleveland. http://www.espncleveland.com/audiovault/
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liked the listen, thanks.
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Perhaps it is the plethora of "I hate Quinn, he rides a horse called Buttercup, Captain Checkdown" comments on your Facebook page that has elicited a spirited response?
I've been honest in that I really wanted Quinn to succeed.. one because it would be great for the Browns to have an established QB but it would also be great if they had a "face of the franchise".. etc.. . Over time I saw him struggle and eventually I realized that he probably wasn't going to work out.. I could accept that. However, even now that I've accepted it, your pathetic insults still give me an urge to respond in a somewhat defensive way.. so maybe you are bringing all of this love of Quinn out of people, who otherwise wouldn't show it... could be
I could not have said it better myself. I agree totally.
As an aside to Ammo.....the Charlie Frye autograph incident was initially posted by you. Your buddy coachb then took it and ran with it every chance he got. But you started the ball rolling with the initial post. I've lost count on the players you initially loved then turned on like a spurned lover but it's gotta be in the dozens by now. You really need to get a hobby.........
Maybe if they didn't suck, I wouldn't turn on them.
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i sat here and read the first half of this thread and now this half of this thread. i will add my .02.
Quinn sucks and DA sucks and I am glad they are both gone.
end of conversation.
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I'm defending no one here, but the whole cast of roster characters and their overall play, with few exceptions, has been pretty abysmal, except for the fluke in 2007 & making the playoffs in 2002. We have been nothing but a staggering and floundering franchise since The Return.
which is exactly why us fans should be happy that someone is taking decisive action....
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Someone has always taken decisive action,all of the other bums were either cut or traded.
The problems have always come after the decisive action,another bum was either drafted,traded for,or signed.
Looking at the current depth chart,I see no reason to believe this current reincarnation to be any better than any of the others.
I understand it's extremely popular to believe MH will be the savior,but let's take a wait and see approach until he does something that in the very least approaches genius.
Damn,I'm so tired of posting that.Eveery new messiah that comes in has you guys giddy as school girls.
How many SB winning teams has Holmgren or Heckert built? Zero would be the answer.
Show me you can do more than bring in two bums to play QB,seen that before.
Show me you can do more than trade away failed No.1 picks,seen that many times before.
Show me you can do more than put on a good interview,I've heard alot of BS from the others.
Show me you can draft decent players,now that's something that would make me giddy as a school girl.
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That right there convinced me that it isn't the team that's jinxed,, it's the fans mindsets..
And it's not totally unreasonable to feel that way.. not at all..
For what it's worth, I am not going to allow the sins of the past taint the current situation..
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I certainly don't have on the rose colored glasses about this new brains trust, I just chiming in on the above question. I could be wrong but didnt MH rebuild a very poor Greenbay Team and win a Superbowl with them? If memory serves, Greenbay was bad for sometime before MH was hired as coach. Now I know he wasnt the GM, but he did build a much better and more competative Seattle team in his double roll out west. So I think there is hope for the front office of our beloved franchise. Having said all that I will agree with you that many, myself included have slurped up the coolaid on Butch or Phil before things fell apart for them. 
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What BC Brownie is thinking I believe is that in GB, it was Ron Wolf that built the team that holmgren coached.. BC doesn't give holmgren any credit for anything., Apparently, at least according to BC.. he's not done a thing.
Then I assume he's talking about Holmgrens tenure as GM/HC at Seattle and how he needed to step down in the GM role.. BC gives him no credit for getting several of the pieces to the Seattle puzzle that Got them to the SB..
BC gives no value to the people like Heckert and Holmgren that built teams that MADE it to the SB only to lose.
To each his own I guess..
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But, Holmgren built the foundation for a winning Seattle team that made it to the Super Bowl. Heckert was part of building a Philly organization that is a perennial contender and took NE down to the wire in one Super Bowl. I think you are right on the wait and see approach, but I don't think we are as bad off as in the last 10 years. Butch was given all the power and had never done that before. Savage had never been a GM before here. Kokinis/Mangini had never been a GM before. At least MH and Heckert have done the job before with success.
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What BC Brownie is thinking I believe is that in GB, it was Ron Wolf that built the team that holmgren coached.. BC doesn't give holmgren any credit for anything., Apparently, at least according to BC.. he's not done a thing.
Then I assume he's talking about Holmgrens tenure as GM/HC at Seattle and how he needed to step down in the GM role.. BC gives him no credit for getting several of the pieces to the Seattle puzzle that Got them to the SB..
BC gives no value to the people like Heckert and Holmgren that built teams that MADE it to the SB only to lose.
To each his own I guess..
I would think Holmgren's success as a coach at GB yielded a lot of the experience necessary for him to interact with "higher" management, ala Wolf, and master the nuances of the NFL GM-Coach relationship. At a mere minimum, with no "GM" SuperBowl wins ? -- these two are probably going to end up being better than anything we've seen in 12 years now,....
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I would think Holmgren's success as a coach at GB yielded a lot of the experience necessary for him to interact with "higher" management, ala Wolf, and master the nuances of the NFL GM-Coach relationship. At a mere minimum, with no "GM" SuperBowl wins ? -- these two are probably going to end up being better than anything we've seen in 12 years now,....
I agree..
BC,, I'm sorry if it sounded as if I was picking on you,, at the end of the day,, who knows, your apparent proclamation of pending doom and gloom may come true...
But I also think it's ridiculous to think that simply because others have failed, this regime will also. It also seems to serve no purpose to diminish the accomplishments of those in charge in order to make your gloomy outlook appears accurate..
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I've watched Quinn play since High School here in Columbus. I think he is much better than he has "had the opportunity" to prove. There's no man crush, no homerism... just think he has had a raw deal in Cleveland.
Now had we given him a FULL year last year with no DA switches and he did not turn it around I would have been one of the first to say it's time for him to go. BUT considering the state of the team, the FO and coaching last year AND taking into consideration the downward spiral of the first 11 games I seriously don't know what we could have seen from a virtual rookie.
So, I'm not crying over spilled milk BUT I do fully anticipate Quinn to come out of his shell in Denver THIS YEAR and be a top flight QB for years to come. I feel we just gave them a franchise QB for nada, zip... zilch.
I agree totally with every single word in this post. We gave Quinn no chance and I will add that The king of Queens(Mangini) had a distast for Quinn that grew into a burning hatred i believe once the 1-10 record, the 20QB rating of the inept Anderson and Quinn getting the press to put a little fire under The Kings shorts by embarrassing him by putting his house up for sale. this created a storm that Quinn was being positioned out( an accurate idea that Quinn had). This stunt, forced our little fat boy Coach into having to Play Quinn who played with some exciting spurts in some game.
Wat was really mind numbing stupid that hurt BOTH DA and Quinn is ripping away the only decent recieving targets away in Winslow and Edwards from the Worst recieving corp in not only all of Pro Football but many top colleges as well. Then to sign a RT who should be named "turnstiles" as everyone could blow by him and yo have Qbs with no targets and little time to find them. throw in a punch drunk RB and Peyton manning would look bad with that cast of characters. So the great efforts in SD and Detroit by Quinn are al the more impressive.
The final cherry I will add again is Mangini wanted Quinn out, just did not like him. It was Kosar Belechik in that he could not break Quinns spirit and when Quinn started questioning some plays calls( ala Kosar) he was SOOOOOOOO Done. We gave this guy away for nothing. My guess is Quinn is a starting QB longer than fat boy is ever a head coach again. I expect him to be run out on rails by seasons end.
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I think it's also a little hypocritical of Holmgren to say that it would have been unfair to unseat Mangini after just one year of coaching... then he says the same thing about Quinn, with him having about 12 starts, but lets him go...
I understand why he did it.. but Quinn should of had a full season to show what he can do..
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I think it's also a little hypocritical of Holmgren to say that it would have been unfair to unseat Mangini after just one year of coaching... then he says the same thing about Quinn, with him having about 12 starts, but lets him go...
Wait,, think about that for a second.. maybe it wasn't hypocracy.. maybe he spoke to Mangini and decided he was a good coach, someone that could get the job done and someone that he could work with.
Then could it be as simple as he watched tape on Quinn and decided that he wouldn't fit the needs of the team going forward..
Two different things....
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I think it's also a little hypocritical of Holmgren to say that it would have been unfair to unseat Mangini after just one year of coaching... then he says the same thing about Quinn, with him having about 12 starts, but lets him go...
Wait,, think about that for a second.. maybe it wasn't hypocracy.. maybe he spoke to Mangini and decided he was a good coach, someone that could get the job done and someone that he could work with.
Then could it be as simple as he watched tape on Quinn and decided that he wouldn't fit the needs of the team going forward..
Two different things....
This. 100% this.
The bottom line Holmgren saw something in Mangini and saw nothing in Quinn.
Holmgren is being nice about it when he says 1 year isn't fair. Just read between the lines on Quinn and Anderson. Holmgren made it pretty clear that they both suck if you can dissect coachspeak.
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