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I have made a few tongue in cheek remarks above but I would like to state soberly that I think the idea that you should feel "safe" because some "good guy" is packing heat in a bar or on a school campus is perhaps the single most asinine line of thinking I have read on these boards. It gives absolutely no thought to the consequences of a potential gun fight.
You better hope the "good guy" is one helluva shot and can whip out his pistol faster than a gunslinger in the old west.
Let one shot from the "good guy" miss its target and hit me or some innocent bystander and Mr. good guy can spend the rest of his life in a 9x9.
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You better hope the "good guy" is one helluva shot and can whip out his pistol faster than a gunslinger in the old west.
Let one shot from the "good guy" miss its target and hit me or some innocent bystander and Mr. good guy can spend the rest of his life in a 9x9.
I would rather have the good guy miss his target once or twice than the bad guy kill everyone in the room.
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I have made a few tongue in cheek remarks above but I would like to state soberly that I think the idea that you should feel "safe" because some "good guy" is packing heat in a bar or on a school campus is perhaps the single most asinine line of thinking I have read on these boards. It gives absolutely no thought to the consequences of a potential gun fight.
You're responding to me and I sure didn't proclaim that others should feel safer because I'm carrying. I carry to protect myself and my loved ones, and that's the only reason I'm permitted to carry. That said, if a murderer is plucking people off in a school or church I would hope like hell that someone there can shoot back. It sounds like you're more concerned about stray bullets than the one the mass murderer is aiming at you.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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My bad, I should have posted J/C at the beginning.
And yes, I worry about stray bullets. I worry that someone who is a moron, carries legally, thinks he's "protecting" people and in the end is just as dangerous as the idiot he's protecting people from. I say moron because not every gun owner is stable people like you or I or someone on this board.
When DawgMichelle posted above that she would rather see missed shots, what if those missed shots results in a death? You don't think people will press charges?
Sure, kill the "bad" guy, but if you miss and kill and innocent . . . you become the new bad guy.
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Michelle's talking about a mass murderer being taken out at the cost of a few strays....meaning many lives will be saved. I don't get why people have such little trust in their fellow law abiding citizen that they would prefer the murderer have the advantage. It's as if they think fighting back with like force is a crime worse than the murder itself.
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Let's be clear. This is a law to allow guns in restaurants and bars. I cannot see why someone feels the need to bring a gun in the former while the latter I could understand the logic if you frequent some dive where the patrons are less than savory. Irregardless, there are plenty of instances where a shot aimed at a target misses and hits an innocent. As for the faith in my fellow law abiding citizen . . . it is not about faith that you won't do the right thing, it is in the reality that mistakes happen and you may not be that good a shot. There are also plenty of knuckleheads without criminal records. And Michelle . . . you scare the hell out of me!  . . . .eh . . . what's a few stray bullets?
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Gun laws hinder law abiding citizens by not permitting them the means to protect themselves, while giving violent criminals an arena where they know for certain that the law abiding victim pool will be unarmed.
I know of no law that would stop a law abiding citizen from owning a gun under normal circumstances. I have no clue what you think you are talking about.
As for the other comments, well, I say again that if you feel you need a handgun on you at all times you either need to reconsider your friends/hangouts or you're a bit paranoid, in my opinion.
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I cannot see why someone feels the need to bring a gun in the former while the latter I could understand the logic if you frequent some dive where the patrons are less than savory.
Back to that same argument. If I knew where I needed to carry, I wouldn't go there.
It is illegal to carry while drinking. If someone drinks while carrying, they are not a law abiding citizen and they are carrying illegally. No gun law will prevent someone from carrying illegally. It will, however, prevent a law abiding citizen from having the means to protect himself.
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And Michelle . . . you scare the hell out of me! . . . .eh . . . what's a few stray bullets?
Ha, I never said that exactly, but I get your point. I still would rather the good guy kill me by accident than the bad guy kill us all because nobody had a gun to try and stop him. I don't understand those of you that don't understand.
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As for the other comments, well, I say again that if you feel you need a handgun on you at all times you either need to reconsider your friends/hangouts or you're a bit paranoid, in my opinion.
Again, in 1994, I was mugged at knife point at 4pm in a Kmart parking lot on a Thursday afternoon. Had I been trained and armed I could have stopped the attacker before he even got close, most likely without having to pull the trigger, but as it was, I was cornered between 2 cars, a 6' retaining wall and my aggressor. I could not unlock my car and get in quick enough. Had I been armed at the time, I only need less then 1.5 seconds to draw, and had ample time for that. I also was present and a witness to a armed robbery at a medical supply store during my lunch hour.
I consider it wrong place, wrong time. But neither were or are considered "bad" areas. You don't get to pick when or where it happens, and you hope it never does, but I will not be caught off guard or unable to defend myself if it ever does happen.
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I don't understand those of you that don't understand
I detest violence. I think we are too violent a nation. Too impatient. Too angry. To quick to judge.
I don't have a problem with self defense, but if in the course of defending yourself you take another persons' life I don't see the satisfaction of justice served. Especially if the person doing it is just some schmoe with a gun permit.
If you operate under the assumption that the first shot fired came from the "bad" guy circumstances change. But if YOU fire first, either accidentally or on purpose, then it is a horse of a different color.
As odd as it seems, I don't favor banning guns, I don't think the problem is with the gun or type of gun, (though it would be pretty hard to do a drive-by knifing) I don't care if you own a 9mm or a bazooka or an anti aircraft cannon.
You won't see me with a gun. You WILL see me run my little white arse off . . . zig zagging in some Inspector Clouseau-like fashion.
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I don't have a problem with self defense, but if in the course of defending yourself you take another persons' life I don't see the satisfaction of justice served.
Nobody's looking for satisfaction, they want to be able to defend themselves. Those who've had to use deadly force in self defense go through hell themselves.....but at least they're alive to do it. I totally agree with your comment on running away from a violent confrontation.....if that option is available, it should always be the first choice. That's actually taught in the concealed carry courses.
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You won't see me with a gun. You WILL see me run my little white arse off . . . zig zagging in some Inspector Clouseau-like fashion.
If we have the option to flee safely, guarantee, I'm gone.
Some people seem to think because we care weapons that we will just jump in to anything. That is totally wrong. If you are being robbed, and I'm around. I'm taking note of the persons height, weight, shirt, pants, shoes, tattoos, scars, etc. I'm not injecting myself into it unless I have good reason to believe they intend to do great bodily harm to you or someone else. Even then I'm looking at the situation first, no sense in me drawing if I don't have a clear shot, and just aggravate things.
There's a lot more to it than acting like a vigilante. We aren't that. We just want a fair chance if put in a bad situation.
FYI - I don't carry to church. Though I could, I don't. It's a personal thing, not a legal one.
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There's a lot more to it than acting like a vigilante. We aren't that. We just want a fair chance if put in a bad situation.
FYI - I don't carry to church. Though I could, I don't. It's a personal thing, not a legal one.
Exactly - why do some people think that those that follow the law are suddenly "vigilantes" when they carry? Where is the sense in even thinking that way?
What people apparently are too ignorant to understand is: criminals don't follow the law - hence, the "criminal" term. If I'm out, or at home, and someone tries to harm me or my family, THEYare wrong, and I will do what I can to protect us. What is the harm in that?
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