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Excellent post Loki, I really enjoyed the read.

Favorite Move: Quinn/DA gone. I cringed when we drafted Quinn. I called my dad and was yelling at him (like he had anything to do with it ). I knew this kid was never going to amount to anything here or anywhere else. Good luck and good riddance Brenda!

Least Favorite Move: Hank Fraley. That one is no good. The guy has lots of class too. He taught Mack the ropes and he ended taking his starting job. Dude didn't complain, yell at coach but he was the first one to greet Mack coming off the field. I thought he provided a good veteran presence for the O line (10+ years) and I will miss ol number 66. I hope to see him start again!

Biggest Question Mark: Jake Delhomme. Agreed there. You know MH can't be on the field to train Wallace but JD can. See where I'm headed. Not only does he provide the veteran experience but he is MH's eyes and ears out there. MH can tell him to work with Wallace on his grip, his drop, his follow through, etc. Just speculation of course.

Biggest Needs: CB/S, OG/OT Pashos was a nice upgrade and I hope he is healthy. I thought we should have picked him up last season and I am glad he is here.

Most Improved: Linebackers (Gocong and Fujita) 100% agreed there too. We need a nasty, mean, dirty linebacker like Lewis. I don't think either fit that bill but Fujita is an animal.

Favorite Move: Cutting bait on our QBs
I held out hope for BQ longer than most but by mipoint last year, I was hoping we just ditched both.

Least Favorite Move: FA signing of Jake Delhomme
Honestly, I felt better with the idea of Seneca Wallace starting for us for a year while we trained up a rook. I think Wallace would have been a decent game manager for us. The Delhomme signing, in my mind, is unnessecary in an on the field sense. Where it does help is the leadership quality...hopefully JD is effective and provides a nice veteran presence.

Biggest Question Mark: Jake Delhomme
He self destructed last year. He's never really been a top flight QB but has been an effective one. I'm hoping he just plays clean football and doesn't kill us with INTs.

Biggest Needs: Safety
What's our starting two-some right now? Elam and Adams? eeesh.

Most Improved: Overall upgrades
We quite simply have more talent than we did at the end of last year. I'll take Delhomme and Wallace over DA and Quinn. Fujita over Barton. Sheldon Brown over McDonald. We've flat out gotten better on paper.


Browns First round pick is: Eric Berry
My gut tells me that we won't get him but its starting to lay out more like we will. My worry is that Seattle takes him so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they want Clausen. This year's draft continues to be an enigma to me.

Favorite Move: Kicking DA to the curb, my only regret is that I couldn't drive him to the city line myself.

Least Favorite Move: FA signing of Jake Delhomme
Dude is done, and the contract we signed him to concerns me. I feel better with Wallace starting.

Biggest Question Mark: How many turnovers will Delbum have through the first 3 games? I am setting the over/under at 7.

Biggest Needs: Quaterback
I dont know ho wit could possibly be any other position. We dont have one and its the most important position.

Most Improved: Ask me after the draft, as of right now I would say the LBing crew.


Browns First round pick is: Eric Berry
I hope we get Berry which will be a defensive piece to build around.

Having Wallace is one of the reasons I am thinking Holmgren and company will not touch a QB in the first two rounds.

Hasn't Holmgren already said we won't be taking a QB in the 2nd round unless we trade back into it?

i didnt hear that.

Quote:

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"But, here's the dilemma," he said. "There are areas of the football team that we really have to help -- the secondary, offensive line -- to get the team better. This year it would be pretty hard to use the second [round] pick to get a quarterback. It would be pretty hard for me.

"Next year might be easier. We've got [three picks in the third round and four in the fifth round] going for us. But I'd have to have

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Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer

cool.

The thing now is...we have helped our secondary and OL with Brown and Pashos. I am not sure of when the article was written (as before or after Brown and Pashos) but we have addressed these positions so that might factor in (and i am sure it does) on what direction we take in the draft.

My hopes.

1 Berry
2 McCoy
3 Price

I know we have 2 more 3rd rounders but those are my TOP 3.

i've been very happy with our offseason. i like watson at TE, not flashy, could definitely be better in the passing game, but he's solid and is an upgrade over royal and the sadly-always-hurt heiden.

i think the delhomme sign is a win/win situation. no risk at all. short 2 year deal, money is no big deal to randolph, and holmgren looks like a genius if delhomme bounces back (which i think he can) and if it doesn't work, it's just viewed as a stop gap for us drafting a quarterback at some point in the next 2 years. i love the guy's attitude, his passion, and the fact that he will take command of that huddle.

LOVE the shelden brown trade. he's got versality, experience, and can maybe rub off a little bit on some of these guys in the secondary that just don't get it.

wish i knew more about gocong, but i don't.

we kept waiting and waiting on hall and he just could not get out on the field, i wish the guy best of luck in philly.

the seneca wallace move did not surprise me, it's a depth move and a guy who already understands what holmgren and what the holmgren philosophy is all about.

it was sad to see brady go, but i think it was probably best for both he and the browns, even though i hate denver, i wish him the best of luck. and i think browns fans are gonna like the guy that they got in return.

glad DA is gone, tired of him, and his attitude. never mind the retract, we all know how you really feel derek. you were a horrible quarterback that had a little bit of success, but you blew the 2007 season and you arguably did the same in 2008. i can't wait until we pummel you in 2 years.

i'm sad to see wimbley go, class guy, never lived up to expectation. and it will be difficult but i hope he does well out there.

not quite sure what to think about the fujita move. i always thought he was kind of average on the saints, but he brings experience, and passion, and he's an eric mangini kinda guy. hard worker. so we'll see.

obviously the biggest and most important move was taking care of cribbs. i'm happy for him and his family, and i'm just glad the issue is now closed.

sad to see hank fraley go, class guy, really helped us out when we were in a bind with everything that happened at the center position... best of luck to him and his family.

best of luck also to ryan tucker in retirement. was one of my favorite browns in the new era.

glad the jamal lewis era was over, he gave us some good times and some not so good, but was always tough, didn't like that he seemed to complain, but glad we moved on.

i really have nothing to say on dante stallworth, i don't hate the guy, but he gave us nothing. and then went out and did what he did. what a complete waste.

i think considering the draft has not even gone down yet, that we have made a few pretty good strides. holmgren gave up a little bit in terms of draft but we still have plenty of picks and you can argue prior to some trades maybe we had too many.

j/c,...I give it all about a C+

I would add that now that stallworthless is with the ravens he admitted not being in good shape or always trying very hard. We(Savage) paid this goldbrick millions for 17 catches. Ozzie pays him near the minimum and suddenly he is going to "rededicate" himself. I am SOOOOOOO happy he is gone.
We have done fairly well this offseason except for four moves. adding the worthless former Cinci center and dumping a more versatile Fraley I found strange, Dumping Wimbley( in what was a $$$$$ move) for a low #3 pick where you are lucky to get a starter does not seem to improve( but getting Gokong made it more positive).

Paying Jake 7 Mill for a washed up QB and then dumping Quinn after 12 starts I found both as disturbing. If Jake can turn it around, great, but we are whistling past the graveyard with a guy who has tossed 24 ints in his last 12 starts and only the same # of Tds as Quinn in three more starts with a far more talented cast around him. I also find getting Peyton Hillis for Quinn about as efficacious as Viekune for Winslow, both sterling trades. I expect more out of Holmgren.

The biggest move by far is that mangini and kokinis will NOT be running the draft. mangini may have a phone but it will not be connected. That is by far the biggest off season move.

Wait, Mangini will have a phone, but it won't be connected?

You should mention that another 20 times so everyone who missed that oh-so clever, side-splitting joke can enjoy it over and over.

hahahaha

Don't thank me, I didn't come up with the joke and beat it into the ground with every one of my posts.

That distinction goes to someone with a much more developed sense of humor than I.

I still thank you Oober that joke has worn out it's welcome with your sensibilities as i tend to laugh at my own jokes when i amuse myself. the thought of magini/kokinis and how they thoughtlessly put thier heads together for a season of stupid deals makes the thoughts of Holmgren go much easier. I might add as well in a post I suggest reading at the official website board Holmgren admits moving Quinn was due to the fact that he knew Quinn did not get a fair shake and as much admitted so and added how a coach and a QB have to get along. I knew this trade( give away) had the greasy stains of Mangini on it and MH finally put my impressions in written validity.

he also added that moving Wimbley would also "make sense" as if there were more to that trade as well. I now see his quick signings of Seneca Wallace and Jake as rash but also due to his hand being forced to move Quinn at any cost. So the trade that made no sense now does. My Bad mocking Hillis and I now see the same stupidity that gave away the number 5 pick last year for chumps and a center, the same acumen that dumped Winslow and brought in Viekune, the same wizardry that drafted Robiskie so high and dumped Edwards for a #3 inseason and leaving our QBs with no veteran talent at wr, the same acumen that grabbed robert royal as the new Winslow, who shoved out Schaffer to sign St.Clair, it now is understandable this same sagelike wisdom would DEMAND the head of Quinn in a trade for nothing.

Thank God Mangini is no longer making personnel moves and may this demand be his last as it very well could be should Jake and seneca play as well as i think they may, and Quinn play for denver as i think he will. I also see Philly will scapegoat Andy Ried for front office stupidity and we may get our real coach next year. The joke about the phone is less a joke than a sigh of relief Mangini will NOT be the one picking.

LOL

"Forced MH to move Quinn"?

When will you understand that MH is the boss and has the final call? Ever?

All MH is saying is that he believed BQ had the skill set that he would have been willing to keep him.

But he pointed out one very important factor. The QB and the HC must get along. Since they don't, the only logical thing to do is move the QB.

Gini hasn't and won't "force MH" do do jack squat!

MH looked at the situation and knew the most logical thing to do to remedy the situation was to move Quinn.

Man, some of you guys hate Gini so much you'll twist anything that is written to support your arguement. To frickin' funny!

I agree that that noone Forced MH to cut Quinn as those are YOUR words not mine. I want to clarify when MH stated a QB and his coach need to agree and see eye to eye, Holmgren was given a choice remove Quinn and keep his Coach happy. Since he went with the Coach I can agree that Holmgren made the best out of an unfortunate situation. Quinn was traded about 90 days after MH was hired, and how many after he had already decided to keep Mangini. So Mangini was set and so while Mike Holmgren had said he properly needed 32 games to really evaluate a QB and then later admitted when a player and a coach don't see eye to eye..I think it is fair to surmise there were other conversations between Coach and Gm that there was going to be no middle ground. mark me for thinkink MH told Mangini I am getting you X and Y QBs, this team better improve.

Something in the time between MH deciding to keep his Coach, publicly stating Quinn had not enough starts to be properly evaluated and the "QB and coach need to see eye to eye" happened. What the nature of that conversation did force MH to make fast moves for Wallace and Jake. I would say RASH moves. But Mike Holmgren KNOWS that he had a coach that would not Budge so this is a put up or get out year for Eric Mangini. Did EM force MH to trade Quinn, depends and how you define force, maybe he insisted they could no longer play well together as a team and CONVINCED Mike to backtrack on his public statements.

Quinn blows and he wasn't alone because Anderson was right there with him, blowing just as hard.

Seriously, don't you have anything more to bring to the table than this constant bashing of Mangini along with your Brady-Bootlicking??