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I figured this could generate some good discussion.

All rankings are done using a combination of current value and potential value. The two are balanced. The round next to the player is what round I would take them in, excluding any off the field or character problems. The round will not necessarily go down in order. All comments and rankings are my opinion and not be interpreted as fact, or necessarily the prevailing opinion; they are purely what I think. Also note that many NFL Draft sites don't put their actual rankings, but a combination of what they think, and what others think. This is purely my rankings. For the skill positions, I added some notes next to each player. Sorry for the lack of complete sentences.

Quarterback

1. Sam Bradford Oklahoma Top 5. – Spread offense QB with excellent accuracy. Great intangibles and potential. Durability, system and surrounding talents are concerns.

2. Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame 1st rd. – Good pedigree. Not overly accurate or that great of playmaker. Lacks potential. More of a game manager.

3. Colt McCoy Texas 3rd rd. – Very accurate with great pedigree. Lacks are strength and girth. Very mobile. Ideal for west coast offense. Potential?

4. Tim Tebow Florida 3rd rd. – The perennial winner. World class intangibles/leadership. Can be used in Wildcat short term. Great runner. Played in a spread offense. Long release; not a great passer. Not a ton of potential as a passer.

5. Jarrett Brown West Virginia 4th rd. – Very fast and great runner. Good arm strength. Questionable accuracy and smarts. Good potential.

6. John Skelton Fordham 5th rd. – Great arm strength. Excellent potential. Not very mobile. Poor touch and accuracy. Great potential.

7. Tony Pike Cincinnati 5th rd. – Decent at everything. Average accuracy and arm strength. Not great at anything. System QB? Needs to gain weight. Not very mobile.

8. Jevan Snead Ole Miss 5th rd. – Live arm. Great potential. Questionable leadership. Poor accuracy and decision making. Great potential.

9. Dan LeFevour Central Michigan 5th rd. – Accurate and mobile. Poor arm strength. Not much potential.

10. Zac Robinson Oklahoma State 6th rd. – Accurate. Mobile. Not much potential or arm strength.

Running Back

1. C.J. Spiller Clemson Top 10 – Very fast and quick. Great receiver and returner. Playmaker who can break a long one at any time. Questionable as an inside runner/every down back.

2. Ryan Mathews Fresno State 1st rd. – Good at everything. Great blocker and receiver. Tough inside runner who gets tough yardage. Not a huge playmaker who breaks long runs. Durability?

3. Jahvid Best California 2nd rd. – Very quick. Great receiver. Can break long runs. Not a good inside runner. Not very durable.

4. Montario Hardesty Tennessee 2nd rd. – Good at everything. Good receiver/blocker. Physical runner with good athleticism. Probably not a feature back.

5. Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech 2nd rd. – Strong, powerful runner. Good athleticism. Questionable work ethic. Played in triple option offense, so vision is difficult to evaluate.

6. Toby Gerhart Stanford 3rd rd. – Smart with good vision. Hard worker. Not a good outside runner. Isn’t very quick. Tweener?

7. Dexter McCluster Ole Miss 2nd rd. – Very versatile. Can receive out of backfield and at WR. Very quick. Small with durability concerns. No true position and not an every down player.

8. Ben Tate Auburn 3rd rd. – Good size. Powerful runner. Not very quick or a gamebreaker. Doesn’t have good vision.

9. Anthony Dixon Mississippi State 4th rd. – Powerful and can carry a heavy load. Not quick or a big yardage threat. May be more of a “smash” in the “smash and dash”.

10. Joe McKinight USC 5th rd. – Quick and explosive. Can be a very good playmaker. Probably more of a change of pace back. Not powerful. Underachiever.

Wide Receiver

1. Dez Bryant Oklahoma State Top 5 – Great hands. Very physical and can go up for the ball. Not an experienced route runner. Attitude questions.

2. Demaryius Thomas Georgia Tech 1st rd. – Great size. Very physical and good at using his body. Some drops. Played in spread offense and didn’t have to run many routes. Great potential.

3. Arrelious Benn Illinois 2nd rd. – Good size and physicality. Fast and athletic. Doesn’t have very good hands. Isn’t a good route runner. Good potential.

4. Golden Tate Notre Dame 2nd rd. – Quick and athletic. Good leaping ability and vision running with the ball. Not very big or incredibly fast. Lacks elite explosiveness.

5. Damian Williams USC 2nd rd. – Good at everything. Excellent route runner with consistent hands. Not very quick or fast. Limited potential. More of a #2 wide receiver.
6. Andre Roberts The Citadel 3rd rd. – Good route runner. Has excellent hands and catches everything. Not very tall of fast. Isn’t a deep threat.

7. Brandon LaFell LSU 3rd rd. – Good route runner with great size. Decent speed and is a vertical threat. Drops some passes and has concentration issues.

8. Mardy Gilyard Cincinnati 3rd rd. – Very quick. Has good hands and explosiveness. Not a good route runner. Not strong and lacks bulk.

9. Eric Decker Minnesota 3rd rd. – Has very good hands. Is a polished route runner. Good size. Not very fast or elusive. Not a vertical receiver.

10. Riley Cooper Florida 4th rd. – Good size. Has good hands. Isn’t a polished route runner. Lacks good speed. Not a deep threat.

Tight End

1. Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma 1st rd. – Very physical player. Good athleticism and hands. Decent blocker. Doesn’t have elite speed. Durability concerns.

2. Rob Gronkowski Arizona 2nd rd. – Great athleticism and size. Good, natural hands. Great blocker. Good route runner. Not overly fast or quick, and isn’t a vertical threat. Durability concerns.

3. Jimmy Graham Miami 2nd rd. – Top notch athleticism. Great size and leaping ability. Natural hands. Very raw and inconsistent. Needs to develop as a route runner and blocker.

4. Ed Dickson Oregon 3rd rd. – Good height and athleticism. Can make athletic grabs and makes the easy catches. Not very physical and could stand to add bulk.

5. Aaron Hernandez Florida 3rd rd. – Good athleticism and hands. Quick with good route running skills. Not tall and doesn’t project as an every down tight end. Not a good blocker.

6. Dennis Pitta BYU 3rd rd. – Good height. Great hands that can make the tough and routine catches. Decent blocker. Isn’t very explosive or powerful.

7. Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh 3rd rd. – Very fast and quick. Good hands and excellent ability to run after the catch. May project to the slot. Not an every down tight end. Poor blocker.

8. Anthony McCoy USC 3rd rd. – Good height. Good route runner with consistent hands. Very good blocker. Not very fast. Lacks quickness and power.

9. Michael Hoomanawanui Illinois 4th rd. – Great size. Reliable hands. Excellent blocker. Not quick or fast. Not a polished route runner. Projects as #2 TE.

10. Tony Moeaki Iowa 4th rd. – Good route runner. Consistent hands. Possesses good athleticism and can do a lot after the catch. Durability?

Offensive Tackle

1. Trent Williams Oklahoma Top 10
2. Russell Okung Oklahoma State Top 10
3. Anthony Davis Rutgers Top 10
4. Bryan Bulaga Iowa 1st rd.
5. Charles Brown USC 2nd rd.
6. Rodger Saffold Indiana 2nd rd.
7. Bruce Campbell Maryland 2nd rd.
8. Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts 2nd rd.
9. Jared Veldheer Hillsdale 3rd rd.
10. Jason Fox Miami 3rd rd.

Offensive Guard

1. Mike Iupati Idaho 1st rd.
2. Maurkice Pouncey (C) Florida 1st rd.
3. Rodger Saffold (OT) Indiana 2nd rd.
4. Vladimir Ducasse (OT) Massachusetts 2nd rd.
5. John Jerry Ole Miss 3rd rd.
6. Jon Asamoah Illinois 3rd rd.
7. Mike Johnson Alabama 3rd rd.
8. Shawn Lauvao Arizona State 4th rd.
9. Mitch Petrus Arkansas 4th rd.
10. Brandon Carter Texas Tech 4th rd.

Center

1. Maurkice Pouncey Florida 1st rd.
2. J.D. Walton Baylor 3rd rd.
3. Matt Tennant Boston College 3rd rd.
4. Eric Olsen Notre Dame 4th rd.
5. Ted Larsen NC State 5th rd.

Defensive End

1. Jason Pierre-Paul South Florida 1st rd.
2. Brandon Graham Michigan 1st rd.
3. Derrick Morgan Georgia Tech 1st rd.
4. Carlos Dunlap Florida 1st rd.
5. Everson Griffen USC 2nd rd.
6. Jerry Hughes TCU 2nd rd.
7. Alex Carrington Arkansas State 3rd rd.
8. Corey Wootton Northwestern 3rd rd.
9. Jermaine Cunningham Florida 4th rd.
10. Koa Misi Utah 4th rd.

3-4 Outside Linebacker

1. Jason Pierre-Paul South Florida 1st rd.
2. Brandon Graham Michigan 1st rd.
3. Jerry Hughes TCU 1st rd.
4. Sergio Kindle Texas 1st rd.
5. Everson Griffen USC 2nd rd.
6. Thaddeus Gibson Ohio State 2nd rd.
7. Eric Norwood South Carolina 2nd rd.
8. Derrick Morgan Georgia Tech 2nd rd.
9. Carlos Dunlap Florida 3rd rd.
10. Koa Misi Utah 3rd rd.

Defensive Tackle

1. Ndamukong Suh Nebraska Top 5
2. Gerald McCoy Oklahoma Top 5
3. Dan Williams Tennessee 1st rd.
4. Jared Odrick Penn State 2nd rd.
5. Brian Price UCLA 2nd rd.
6. Terrence Cody Alabama 2nd rd.
7. Tyson Alualu California 3rd rd.
8. Cam Thomas North Carolina 3rd rd.
9. Lamarr Houston Texas 3rd rd.
10. Arthur Jones Syracuse 4th rd.

3-4 Nose Tackle

1. Dan Williams Tennessee 1st rd.
2. Terrence Cody Alabama 1st rd.
3. Cam Thomas North Carolina 2nd rd.
4. Torrell Troup Central Florida 3rd rd.
5. Al Woods LSU 5th rd.
3-4 Defensive End

1. Ndamukong Suh Nebraska Top 5
2. Gerald McCoy Oklahoma 1st rd.
3. Jared Odrick Penn State 1st rd.
4. Tyson Alualu California 2nd rd.
5. Alex Carrington Arkansas State 3rd rd.
6. Linval Joseph East Carolina 3rd rd.
7. Arthur Jones Syracuse 3rd rd.
8. Brian Price UCLA 3rd rd.
9. Lamarr Houston Texas 3rd rd.
10. D’Anthony Smith Louisiana Tech 4th rd.

Outside Linebacker

1. Sean Weatherspoon Missouri 1st rd.
2. Sergio Kindle Texas 1st rd.
3. Daryl Washington TCU 2nd rd.
4. Navorro Bowman Penn State 2nd rd.
5. Eric Norwood South Carolina 2nd rd.
6. Thaddeus Gibson Ohio State 3rd rd.
7. Rennie Curran Georgia 4th rd.
8. A.J. Edds Iowa 4th rd.
9. Roddrick Muckelroy Texas 4th rd.
10. Dekoda Watson Florida State 4th rd.

Inside Linebacker

1. Rolando McClain Alabama 1st rd.
2. Donald Butler Washington 3rd rd.
3. Sean Lee Penn State 3rd rd.
4. Jamar Chaney Mississippi State 4th rd.
5. Brandon Spikes Florida 4th rd.
6. Darryl Sharpton Miami 4th rd.
7. Pat Angerer Iowa 4th rd.
8. Mike McLaughlin Boston College 5th rd.
9. Phillip Dillard Nebraska 5th rd.
10. Micah Johnson Kentucky 6th rd.

Cornerback

1. Joe Haden Florida Top 10
2. Kareem Jackson Alabama 1st rd.
3. Devin McCourty Rutgers 1st rd.
4. Kyle Wilson Boise State 1st rd.
5. Patrick Robinson Florida State 2nd rd.
6. Brandon Ghee Wake Forest 3rd rd.
7. Perrish Cox Oklahoma State 3rd rd.
8. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah IUP 4th rd.
9. Jerome Murphy South Florida 4th rd.
10. Dominique Franks Oklahoma 4th rd.

Safety

1. Eric Berry Tennessee Top 5
2. Earl Thomas Texas 1st rd.
3. Chad Jones LSU 2nd rd.
4. Taylor Mays USC 2nd rd.
5. Nate Allen South Florida 2nd rd.
6. Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech 2nd rd.
7. Reshad Jones Georgia 3rd rd.
8. Larry Asante Nebraska 3rd rd.
9. Major Wright Florida 4th rd.
10. Darrell Stuckey Kansas 4th rd.

Overall Top 32

1. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
2. Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
3. Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
4. Eric Berry S Tennessee
5. Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State
6. Joe Haden CB Florida
7. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
8. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State
9. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers
10. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
11. Sean Weatherspoon LB Missouri
12. Dan Williams DT Tennessee
13. Ryan Mathews RB Fresno State
14. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
15. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida
16. Mike Iupati G Idaho
17. Brandon Graham DE Michigan
18. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
19. Rolando McClain LB Alabama
20. Earl Thomas S Texas
21. Maurkice Pouncey C Florida
22. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
23. Jared Odrick DT Penn State
24. Sergio Kindle LB Texas
25. Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
26. Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech
27. Jerry Hughes DE TCU
28. Jahvid Best RB California
29. Terrence Cody DT Alabama
30. Carlos Dunlap DE Florida
31. Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
32. Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech

Browns Big Board

1. Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2. Ndamukong Suh DE Nebraska
3. Eric Berry S Tennessee
4. Joe Haden CB Florida
5. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
6. Gerald McCoy DE Oklahoma
7. Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State
8. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
9. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers
10. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State
11. Jason Pierre-Paul OLB South Florida
12. Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
13. Brandon Graham LB Michigan
14. Ryan Mathews RB Fresno State
15. Mike Iupati G Idaho
16. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
17. Jared Odrick DE Penn State
18. Earl Thomas S Texas
19. Sean Weatherspoon LB Missouri
20. Rolando McClain LB Alabama
21. Dan Williams DT Tennessee
22. Maurkice Pouncey C Florida
23. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
24. Jerry Hughes LB TCU
25. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
26. Sergio Kindle LB Texas
27. Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
28. Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech
29. Jahvid Best RB California
30. Everson Griffen LB USC
31. Kyle Wilson CB Boise State
32. Terrence Cody DT Alabama

Mock Draft

1. St. Louis Rams: Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2. Detroit Lions: Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
4. Washington Redskins: Russell Okung OT Oklahoma St.
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
6. Seattle Seahawks: Eric Berry S Tennessee
7. Cleveland Browns: Joe Haden CB Florida
8. Oakland Raiders: Anthony Davis OT Rutgers
9. Buffalo Bills: Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jason Pierre-Paul DE USF
11. Denver Broncos (from Chicago): Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma St.
12. Miami Dolphins: Dan Williams DT Tennessee
13. San Francisco 49ers: Earl Thomas S Texas
14. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver): C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
15. New York Giants: Rolando McClain LB Alabama
16. Tennessee Titans: Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech
17. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina): Mike Iupati OL Idaho
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Maurkice Pouncey C Florida
19. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Graham DE Michigan
20. Houston Texans: Kyle Wilson CB Boise St.
21. Cincinnati Bengals: Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
22. New England Patriots: Jared Odrick DE Penn St.
23. Green Bay Packers: Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
24. Philadelphia Eagles: Sean Weatherspoon LB Missouri
25. Baltimore Ravens: Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
26. Arizona Cardinals: Bruce Campbell OT Maryland
27. Dallas Cowboys: Taylor Mays S USC
28. San Diego Chargers: Ryan Mathews RB Fresno St.
29. New York Jets: Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech
30. Minnesota Vikings: Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
31. Indianapolis Colts: Charles Brown OT USC
32. New Orleans Saints: Carlos Dunlap DE Florida
33. St. Louis Rams: Arrelious Benn WR Illinois
34. Detroit Lions: Rodger Saffold OL Indiana
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Golden Tate WR Notre Dame
36. Kansas City Chiefs: Jerry Hughes DE/OLB TCU
37. Philadelphia Eagles (from Washington): Everson Griffen DE USC
38. Cleveland Browns: Colt McCoy QB Texas
39. Oakland Raiders: Patrick Robinson CB Florida St.
40. San Diego Chargers (from Seattle): Terrence Cody DT Alabama
41. Buffalo Bills: Tim Tebow QB Florida
42. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Chicago): Nate Allen S USF
43. Miami Dolphins: Damian Williams WR USC
44. New England Patriots (from Jacksonville): Jahvid Best RB California
45. Denver Broncos: Daryl Washington LB TCU
46. New York Giants: Lamarr Houston DT Texas
47. New England Patriots (from Tennessee): Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona
48. Carolina Panthers: Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati
49. San Francisco 49ers: Ricky Sapp DE/OLB Clemson
50. Kansas City Chiefs: Cam Thomas DT North Carolina
51. Houston Texans: Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
52. Pittsburgh Steelers: Thaddeus Gibson DE/OLB Ohio St.
53. New England Patriots: Brandon LaFell WR LSU
54. Cincinnati Bengals: Chad Jones S LSU
55. Philadelphia Eagles: Tyson Alualu DT California
56. Green Bay Packers: Koa Misi DE/OLB Utah
57. Baltimore Ravens: Vladimir Ducasse OL Massachusetts
58. Arizona Cardinals: Jimmy Graham TE Miami
59. Dallas Cowboys: Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale
60. Seattle Seahawks (from San Diego): Corey Wotton DE Northwestern
61. New York Jets: Alex Carrington DE Arkansas St.
62. Minnesota Vikings: Dexter McCluster RB Ole Miss
63. Indianapolis Colts: Jon Asamoah G Illinois
64. New Orleans Saints: Navorro Bowman LB Penn St.

when is ur draft magazine coming out this year?

The NFL Draft Bible is already available.

Well thought out. Great job!

After reading all the analysis....the way you wrote it....kinda makes you have issues with everyone. It makes you like....aaah PASS.....PASS on him too....all the way down till you go...WAIT...thats all of em.

I get the idea though...again...GOOD JOB.

Well, each player has negatives. I tried to highlight the good and bad. It was difficult to find good or bad in some though.

Very true. I have been reading alot of analysis on alot of players lately and all of them point out enough negatives that it makes you wonder how they could even have them sloted as early round picks.

I was just picking at you because it was so well written that it reminded me of the draft sites i have been frequenting.

I hated you didn't have the wide out Taylor Price (Ohio) listed. I really like him in the third. He is a borderline top 10 WR on most sites.

I like him higher though....

Thanks Deep.

Really well put together, coherent, and detailed.

If you don't mind a bit more detail:

I was wondering what your take is on the top 4-5 OTs?
I know you prefer Williams over Okung/Baluga but I don't know why.
Would Williams be capable of being a RT (if taken at 7)?
Why do you take Haden over Williams with the addition of S. Brown?

side note: Have the Browns put out any feelers towards OTs for 7?

Thanks for the compliments, sir.

Price was very borderline. He barely missed out on my top 10, and depending on when you ask me, he may be ahead of a few of those guys.

Not a problem. I love questions. It gives me an excuse to ramble.

Williams - I view as a high ceiling, high floor guy. At worst, he is a top 10 right tackle. At best, he is a very good left tackle.

Okung - Doesn't have the potential that Williams has. He has a pretty high floor, but not too high, and his ceiling is the same. There's just nothing I love about him.

Davis - Very high ceiling. He can definitely be elite. But his floor is so low. With his work ethic, and lack of technique, he could be out of the league in 3 years.

Bulaga - He has a high floor, but lower ceiling. People like him because he is smart, hard working, and mean. But I just don't see a ton of potential there.

I don't like any of them that much to be honest. Davis is the high risk/high reward guy. Bulaga is the safe pick, and then Williams and Okung are in between.

I love Williams as a RT. I think he could easily be the best right tackle in the NFL. IMO, he would be awesome there.

I would prefer Williams over Haden at 7, but as in any mock draft, I went with what I think will happen. Teams virtually never take right tackles in the top 10, especially when they have as much money invested in the OL as the Browns do.

No idea what feelers the Browns have put out towards the linemen. I have been paying more attention to the league as a whole, versus one team.

Nice work Deep...I disagree with some rankings (how anyone can have C.Jones over N.Allen at S is beyond me to be honest) but overall it's decent work

I'd like to go in depth, if you want of course, but would prefer to do so "elsewhere"

Chad Jones over Nate Allen was based off of potential. I debated that one quite a bit.

By taking Haden at 7.....which is a possibility and even though we have Brown.....i can see Brown (especially at his age) moving over to our needed safety spot. He can cover and is a ball hawking hitter which would open the door for that player IMO

Just a thought to on why Haden is still a possibility at 7.

Whats your take Deep?

I could see it for the future, but in the short term, I think it would be more likely that Haden would play the nickel. It typically takes a year for a rookie corner to adjust anyway.

Lately I've been fixated on the idea of drafting a RT at #7, or in the 2nd round if someone talented falls, or trading down and drafting Pouncey / Iupati (although its less tempting).

Can you imagine the Browns having the best OL in the league? That would make games so great to watch, no more QBs getting clobbered and injured. Tons of time to pass, huge running lanes. And how nice it would be if we have McCoy or another QB getting their first starts with a highly skilled OL protecting him.

I've seen the major difference with JT in the game. Whereas the impact of Wimbley, Green, Couch, Brown, Edwards is highly debatable. I imagine the #1 RT in the league would have significant benefits over a shutdown corner.

I don't see it happening. But I can dream

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how anyone can have C.Jones over N.Allen at S is beyond me to be honest

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Might have something to do with one being listed a FS and the other a SS....not sure.

One site has Jones stock falling. He is still listed at 1 though.

LSU is known for the tough defenses and Jones fits the bill.

Here's the thing with Jones. He isn't completely boom or bust. He has a reasonably high floor. Not as high as Allen's, but he has much more potential.

So just a question Deep

Let's say the draft goes like this:

Rams - Bradford
Lions - Suh
Buc - McCoy
Redskins - Berry
Chiefs - Okung
Seahawks - Haden


Who do the Browns choose?

I would say Trent Williams, but it could easily be Jason Pierre-Paul or Derrick Morgan.

I really can't picture Haden not being there, though.

Super duper Job kid ... Heck of a lot of time/work/and thought !

Yeah I agree with the Haden part. My biggest fear is the both he and Berry will be gone by 7 (even though that is unlikely). I just feel that the secondary MUST be addressed in the first round (unless we can trade back and get Earl Thomas).

I don't know why, but I'm not so sold on the OT prospects in this year's draft. I'm hoping we don't "have" to take one.

The one thing that stood out to me was C.J. Spiller being a top 10 pick.

Not saying he won't be, but I think in your description, (other than the embelishment part), is that he's not an every down back. He's a RB that would half to split carries with a second RB.

So what you get is a RB who can carry part of the time and be a PR guy. Not saying he isn't good, but I can't see him, from my point of view, being a top 10 pick considering those factors.

jmho

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All comments and rankings are my opinion and not be interpreted as fact, or necessarily the prevailing opinion; they are purely what I think. Also note that many NFL Draft sites don't put their actual rankings, but a combination of what they think, and what others think.

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Deep...Please...You r doing this based off how ever many websites u read...Cause here's a FACT...There is no way in hell u have seen every single one of these guys...I c what you're doing...Have fun with it cause it's nothing more than u reading a bunch of WEBSITES...

Let's start with this...

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2. Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame 1st rd. – Good pedigree. Not overly accurate or that great of playmaker. Lacks potential. More of a game manager.

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Where's this "Good Pedigree" come from???...I know the "Pedigree"...And it's FAR from good...That's just a blow-off dumb comment...

I can tell u did not watch Clausen...If u did u wouldn't make comments like "Not overly accurate"..."Not a great playmaker"..."Lacks PO"..."Game Manger"...

Define POTENTIAL for me...I wanna see this one...

I don't give a damn what Diam says...This kid took Dame on his shoulders MANY a time...That "Tude" u guys keep harpin' on is exactly what DRIVES this kid to wanna be the best he can be...THAT'S POTENTIAL...

I gots news for ya' chief...There ain't a QB in this entire draft that I want the football in his hands late in a game when needing a game winning/tieing drive than one CLAUSEN...

These things r YOUR opinion???...Well here's MINE...

Clausen will FAR AND AWAY be the single BEST QB in this class in 3 years...

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5. Jarrett Brown West Virginia 4th rd. – Very fast and great runner. Good arm strength. Questionable accuracy and smarts. Good potential.

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How can u have questionable accuracy and smarts...Yet have good potential???...Either you're accurate or u ain't...And define "Smarts"...Does this have to do with PRE-SNAP reads???...Reads dropping back???...Reads in the pocket???...Of which if you're waiting that damn long to make any read you're screwed from the get go...Is this Wonderlic score related???...Is this the ability to digest a playbook???

Questionable "Smarts"...Yet Good Potential...I don't get it...

I'll stop there for now...You'd be better off taking the Top 2 of any position rather than the Top 10 of ALL positions...That's way to many players to even take a sniff at...NOONE has enuff on that many players unless you're an NFL team with VISITS and COACHES TAPE...Which is something NONE of us are privy to...That's why it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to breakdown any DB or WR...U C WHERE THE BALL IS AND NOT THE ENTIRE FIELD...

99% of all fans WATCH THE BALL INSTEAD OF THE PLAY...

Are you related to Claussen? His agent or something?

Spiller as a top 10 pick was a typo.

I take offense at you questioning me here. I have been working MONTHS on this, and have watched every single one of these guys some. I'm not just regurgitating other sites. Don't speak facts about me when you have no idea.

I watched more than half of Clausen's games last year. I'm willing to bet that's more than you and any non Notre Dame fan on here. I saw what I saw. If you want to debate me, fine, but don't tell me I haven't watched him. That is BS.

Clausen simply isn't incredibly accurate. He usually puts it where the receiver can catch it, but not where they get a lot of yards after the catch. His receivers also bailed him out a lot last year.

He didn't make that many plays himself. He got the ball to his playmakers and they made the plays. That is the definition of a game manager. He doesn't have incredible physical tools, and isn't a Peyton Manning either. That is how he has limited potential.

The reason Brown's accuracy and smarts are questionable are the system he played in. He played in the spread. He didn't have to make decisions like you have to in a pro system. He didn't have to make incredibly difficult throws most of the time. His physical ability is off the charts. That is the reason for his potential.

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I watched more than half of Clausen's games last year. I'm willing to bet that's more than you and any non Notre Dame fan on here.

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LOST...How bout ALL OF EM' chief...It's called Sportsbars...I happen to like Dame...And I also happen to DISAGREE with u and anyone else who don't think Clausen's gonna b a solid ass QB in the NFL...And admit or not there's TWO things generating a massive amount of it...Yep...QUINN AND DAME...Much like the DUKE of the NCAA BBall...

U think I'm dumb enuff to pimp a QB like Clausen from ND without having some sort of idea about WTF I'm talking about???

The kid is ACCURATE...Period...It ain't gonna come to the NFL...Noone's accuracy does...Different ballgame...Different speed. But it'll be close to 65%....WATCH...

Well, there you go. You're a Notre Dame fan.

I seem to recall you being a big Quinn fan. I remember that turning out.

And I like Clausen a lot more than Quinn.

The good pedigree comes from both of Clausen's brothers being starting QB's at Tennessee. And being taught by QB guru Steve Clarkson since the 8th grade.

I'm really curious about D. Thomas potentially there for the Browns in the 2nd. He's supposed to be a helluva blocker, we all know he's huge and an athlete, but every other WR skill seems to be a question mark.

Can this guy play in our offense? I see him as a huge weapon for a wildcat set, but that's not worth a #2 pick.

There seems to be a great deal of difference of opinion on Damaryious on the various sites I've looked at. Why do you like him as the 2nd best WR?

Thanks in advance DT.

He has the potential to be a very good receiver for a long time. It's the bust factor that has people worried.

Are you, or anyone else, going to have a thread grading everyones 3 round mock?

I picked 13 and 17 for San Fran and you have my 13th pick being the best OT in the draft and my 17th pick being a top 5 pick. I thought I was going in a complete different direction but when I saw the players available I had to take them. I went with BPA more then need. Although I did reach a little in the 2nd round for the CB- Dominique Franks, I selected because outside of Tackle, secondary was a huge need. I had him ranked high because not only did SF have a huge need at CB ,as everywhere else in the secondary,they were ranked 31 in the return game. So I made a little reach in the 2nd but Franks might even get picked before 49 anyways. I doubt it but you never know. I was torn between Franks and the CB from IUP. Im not paid to be a scout so I didnt get to see them both up close in person doing drills. Or game film. What every day fan gets gamefilm from IUP? So I went with the safer big school guy. Then since I figured I still needed help in the secondary, my eyes lit up when I saw Morgan Burnett was still available. I doubt he makes it to the 3rd round. I think 3 out of 4 of my picks wont even be there when the 49ers get their pick.

I took the 49ers because thats the team I took the first, and only other year, I ever did this. Then I noticed they had the 13th pick so that was cool.

Deep, great stuff there. I'm not on board with everything in those rankings but think it's very good. I'm starting to think Hayden will slide. His lack of timed top end speed should be a concern. I'm also starting to think some of the other CBs could be better and had later.
I'm thinking we'll take williams, Berry, The French Hyphen guy, One of the two elite DT (If they slide somehow) or move back.
I hope we don't touch spiller or Bryant.

When I read the lists initially I thought to myself that I HAVE to remember to come back after and during the draft to see how you did. I'm willing to bet you end up better than Kiper

Don't worry about getting razzed there earlier. Guy didn't even own up to the fact he said you didn't watch ND when you did. Until he does that and stops acting rude I could care less what he thinks. (And I don't think Clausen will be all that great either (backup NFL QB imo) sooooo....I must be an idiot too.

Prediction- I see alot of mocks having the Browns take mcCoy in the 2nd round. So as I look up and see who might take McCoy before the Browns- if they even go that route, I see the Eagles taking McCoy one pick ahead of the Browns. Andy Reid seems to have QBs with mobility and hes not afraid to take one high even if it isnt a position of need. I dont see Vick in their long term plans. Both of their QBs contracts run out at the end of the year and if Kolb ends of being a bust, McCoy is a nice backup plan. If they dont get McCoy in the 2nd I see them getting Lefevour in the 4th or 5th.

good work on this. i'll throw my disagreements on a few out there tomorrow when i have more time (what fun would it be without the debate), but you definitely put a ton of work into this.

I can't believe you didn't list Jeremiah Pharms anywhere in there. Isn't he just about ready for his big NFL debut?

pardon the bump

Had a thought after reading this: "How cool would it be if the board allowed a limited number of posts per day. So people would put a lot of effort into posts instead of sniping and bickering about ham sandwiches."

Can you imagine a board full of posts this detailed and well thought out?

I'm aware this post is neither detailed or especially well thought out.