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He could be a great pick, or he could be a bust we will all know by the end of the 2013 season.
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I have a very hard time believing that this new regime would not be VERY careful in evaluating these first picks. It does set the tone for their legacy here.
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You know you're right.
The Draft Forum should come with a disclaimer that states "Only opinions that support the Browns selections willbe allowed."
That way we can all walk in lockstep to the Superbowl.
This was not an overwhelming draft.Many of the choices can rightfully be criticized.And,as of right now,we Americans still have that right.
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The Draft Forum should come with a disclaimer that states "Only opinions that support the Browns selections willbe allowed."
That way we can all walk in lockstep to the Superbowl.
This was not an overwhelming draft.Many of the choices can rightfully be criticized.And,as of right now,we Americans still have that right.
Exactly. I thought we could have gone WR or DL help instead of Hardesty, considering RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL.
I love the Haden pick because we can never have too many corners and we need at least 3 anyway...I don't know much about TJ Ward but I love that he's a big hitter and we needed a safety anyway.
Colt McCoy speaks for itself. Great pickup considering where we took him. I would have been happy with him at 38, to get him at 85 is a steal.
The guard? OL depth is always good, that's all I really know about him.
This wasn't a "name draft" for us outside of Colt McCoy and Joe Haden, but I'm ok with it. These kinds of drafts are the drafts that make division winners.
Baltimore had an awesome draft though. 
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I personally think that since vickers and Harrison are not signed this was a reach pick and we paid the price.
I could be wrong but hey... I would love to be wrong.
I hope he shreds opposing D's for years to come. I really do however, I have concerns. That's all
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I watched the films on him I could find... I think he has skills however, i have my opinions/concerns of him running the rock...
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Well with those cuts his knees look pretty darn solid to me!!
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Well, of course you have that right. BUT it's the same thing as last year. "OMG we traded all the way back to take JUST a center, we took 2 receivers in the second, this draft is the worst draft ever"  Be critical all you want, but don't call players busts or the whole damn draft a bust even before it's wrapped up.
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You guys on these forums are so screwed!
I just realized why I've liked Hardesty: He's a younger, faster version of Reuben Droughns. 
He runs with power. He can block. He can catch. One of his instinctive quicks is a spin-move. He doesn't have an outside burst. He's a between-the-tackles runner. He's a power-back at 225.
He's a faster version of Droughns in his prime. If those knees hold up, he's going to be a great runner for the Browns. I believe he eventually pushes Harrison back to the role he does best, which is the #2 guy.
Oh............Did I say I like the pick? 
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I watched the films on him I could find... I think he has skills however, i have my opinions/concerns of him running the rock...
I personally think he was underrated. He played on a Tennessee team with no other impact players on offense and it didn't seem to bother his production at all.
Throw out the lesser opponents if you want. In SEC play he had 857 yards rushing on 187 carries (4.58 YPC) and 9 TD's in 8 games. In 6 of the 8 games he had at least 90 yards.
That is amazing production for a RB that slid to the bottom of the second round.
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Come on down off that high horse.
There are very,very few people calling anyone busts,and it certainly isn't me.
Perhaps if you spent less time rolling on the floor laughing,and more time paying attention to what posters are saying you'd realize that.
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My only concern is durability. I think Hardesty is going to be a solid player. He doesn't have great burst, but he has great vision, he's quick, he has some power, he is a good blocker, and he has very good hands.
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Well at least there will be a complete back in the backfield. I think this spells doom for Davis and Jennings. It will be interesting to see if Harrison keeps his starting job. My feelings are that if you think Harrison is your number 1 guy you don't trade for a HB/FB hybrid and a 2nd round RB prospect.
I don't expect Harrison to be starting at the end of pre-season.
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My only concern is durability. I think Hardesty is going to be a solid player. He doesn't have great burst, but he has great vision, he's quick, he has some power, he is a good blocker, and he has very good hands.
That's exactly what he's got...
Durability is the question...As is with Ward...And many many...
Obviously we checked em' out...And we're satisfied...
Ward's the one though...This kid stays on the field we gotsa major playa deep...
Everyone screams R-E-A-C-H...Who the hell knows what our Board looked like...
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There are a bunch of people calling these picks a bust and waste, perhaps not the majority but a small percentage nonetheless.
I'm too short to get on a high horse, but I neither get too excited or too pissed about players the Browns acquire. Let's see how they play and go from there. No need to get bent out of shape or whipped into a frenzy when these guys haven't even put on pads yet.
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There are a bunch of people calling these picks a bust and waste, perhaps not the majority but a small percentage nonetheless.
I'm too short to get on a high horse, but I neither get too excited or too pissed about players the Browns acquire. Let's see how they play and go from there. No need to get bent out of shape or whipped into a frenzy when these guys haven't even put on pads yet.
And that's the joy of a message board is with every pick you'll have the people on the far ends of the spectrum who will either hate it or love it.
I'm with you for the most part, got to trust the front office and hope these guys work out.
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With this front office I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt unlike last regime because this group in Heckert and Holmgren have a proven track record of draft day success. That is something that was severely lacking with Kolkinis and why I jumped all over him for the second round fiasco.
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You've taken what I've been trying to say and put it in a much more user friendly version,thanks.
I'll never be satisfied with any draft of the Browns.I would select nothing but oline,fullbacks,dline and linebackers.That's the game I watch.I realize that's unrealistic,and i'm thankful I don't do the drafting.
I was maybe a tad bit harsh on the guard selection last night,he wasn't the guy I wanted,but I've not said a single word about the other selections.
But I do need to hear the negatives,as well as the positives.These guys aren't all-world,and ther is a reason why,I'd like to know it.
This is a message board.People do come here for info,and this is an outstanding source for that.Being critical of the critics,turns this into nothing more than an exercise in cheerleading.
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I watched the films on him I could find... I think he has skills however, i have my opinions/concerns of him running the rock...
I personally think he was underrated. He played on a Tennessee team with no other impact players on offense and it didn't seem to bother his production at all.
Throw out the lesser opponents if you want. In SEC play he had 857 yards rushing on 187 carries (4.58 YPC) and 9 TD's in 8 games. In 6 of the 8 games he had at least 90 yards.
That is amazing production for a RB that slid to the bottom of the second round.
How about a running back his senior year that massed 1900 yards rushing which lead division 1. with an 6.2 average and 16 td's. His receptions were 24 with 206 yards and 1 td. no fumbles and no injuries 5'10 and 201 lbs and broke the PAC 10 record for most consecutive 100 yard games with 16 in a season. ran a 4.47 40. He also had three TD runs over 50 yards and had a school-record 17 total touchdowns. Runs with a low center of gravity and elusiveness.
I wonder where a guy like that would be drafted...
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5th round would be my guess. 
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If you're talking about Harrison, he didn't do it in the SEC and he's also not 6'1'', 225 LBS. I like Jerome a lot but Hardesty is a bigger guy who played in a bigger and better conference.
The two compliment each other really well and Hardesty is a guy who could grow in to an every down runner. He had great production this past year and his measureless at the combine were off the charts:
4.49 40, 41" vertical, 10'4'' broad jump, 4.12 short shuttle.
On field production coupled with great measurables is an easy selection. People not wanting a RB in the second round who has that type of athletic ability, coupled with on field production (in the country's toughest conference), is just complaining for the sake of complaining.
The difference between a 2nd and 5th rounder is clearly their body. Hardesty put up comparable speed numbers to Harrison and much better explosion numbers (vertical, broad jump, etc.). When a guy is 6'1'', 225 LBS and is performing like he's 5'10, 200 LBS, that's when you know you have something.
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Sounds like a Travis Prentice to me.
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When a guy is 6'1'', 225 LBS and is performing like he's 5'10, 200 LBS, that's when you know you have something.
I'm one of Harrison's biggest fans, but this guy should be our everydown back. Him and Harrison with Davis as the third back will be a great group. You add Hillis and Vickers, and that's a lot of talent in the backfield IMO.
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If you think character doesn't matter,, notice that LeGerrett Blount is still undrafted at pick 194 in the 6th round.. man did he cost himself a ton of cash
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That's unreal.....some had him rated as a first rounder.
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If you think character doesn't matter,, notice that LeGerrett Blount is still undrafted at pick 194 in the 6th round.. man did he cost himself a ton of cash
He's possibly the starting RB for some UFL team this upcoming year. 
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I'm not ecstatic with the pick, but it seems good for me. At the very least it will push Harrison to actually give 100% and actually compete in the backfield.
Hardesty looks like a great back and we now have some serious depth in this area.
As a general summary of the whole Offseason Id like to say that H/H/M did a great job of creating some seriously deep positions on this team. I am overall quite happy how this offseason has turned out.
Hopefully we now can see it translate to the field.
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Wasn't ecstatic with the pick at first, but after doing some diggin and watching what clips I could find.......I am warming up to it. One thing that really jumped out to me watching his clips was his vision. He really knows how to follow his blockers and even when he is in space, he can make that one extra cut to get 5 more yards. I beleive that he and Vickers will make quite a pair. I also believe that with our QB situation, the drafting of a OG who's strength is run blocking, acquiring Pasho's (who's strength is also run blocking), acquiring Hillis,..............that we are going to run the stuffing out of the ball this yr. I believe that I like this pick.
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J/C My 2 cents: Good pick IF he stays healthy. Good nose for the first down marker and for the end zone. Hits the hole quickly, follows blockers well, has good hands, makes quick, decisive cuts. Gives us a legitimate 1-2 punch at RB. Not a home run hitter, but moves the chains and scores when in range. With decent blocking, this guy can be very, very good for us, IF he stays healthy. IMHO
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After reading up on him I am starting to feel better about it, too. Although I still wish we'd not traded up to get him but perhaps Holm/Heck/Gini wanted to be certain they'd have their man.
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The most underrated part of Hardesty's game is his hands. He is very good at lining up at WR and catching the ball and catching the ball out of the backfield.
He and Hillis will be nice to have on the goalline/3rd downs.
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Gotta admit this guy wasn't even close to being on my radar. But after watching the video of him I seesome really good qualitys in him and am excited to have him.
He seems to be a really good runner with alot of wiggle for as big as he is.
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Now that we can take the draft as a whole, moving up to get him wasn't a bad move, considering what we may have gotten in the 5th, had we kept those picks. So we virtually gave up two developmental/practice squad/bust potential players for a back that give us a legitimate 2 back running threat to go with our modified WCO. This kid fits our scheme, and I think his hands, pass protection ability and willingness to follow blockers played big in this decision. JMHO
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First rounder? Even before the sucker punch, the earliest I saw him going was the 3rd.
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I also believe that with our QB situation, the drafting of a OG who's strength is run blocking, acquiring Pasho's (who's strength is also run blocking), acquiring Hillis,..............that we are going to run the stuffing out of the ball this yr.
that's exactly how we won those last games in 09,,,, Ole School smash mouth football...
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Harrison is not really what I call a smash mouth running back , in regards to how we won those games... but Hillis and Hardesty are physical runners, and definitely have that ability to pop defenders in the mouth.
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Yeah, you are probably right about Harrison,, in fact you are right about him.
But I was speaking more of the future potential with Hardesty and Hillis...
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The Draft Forum should come with a disclaimer that states "Only opinions that support the Browns selections willbe allowed."
That way we can all walk in lockstep to the Superbowl.
This was not an overwhelming draft.Many of the choices can rightfully be criticized.And,as of right now,we Americans still have that right.
Yep we still have the right to talk out of our ass when we don't have a clue. I can agree with you on that much.
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There are a bunch of people calling these picks a bust and waste, perhaps not the majority but a small percentage nonetheless.
I'm too short to get on a high horse, but I neither get too excited or too pissed about players the Browns acquire. Let's see how they play and go from there. No need to get bent out of shape or whipped into a frenzy when these guys haven't even put on pads yet.
Bingo we have a winner.
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