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Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?

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The remains of Noah's Ark have been discovered 13,000 feet up a Turkish mountain -- according to a sensational claim by evangelical explorers.


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An explorer examines wooden beams inside what some are nearly certain is the remains of Noah's Ark.
A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say wooden remains they have discovered on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey are the remains of Noah's Ark.

The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old, meaning they date to around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Mt. Ararat has long been suspected as the final resting place of the craft by evangelicals and literalists hoping to validate biblical stories.

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team that made the discovery, said: "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it."

There have been several reported discoveries of the remains of Noah's Ark over the years, most notably a find by archaeologist Ron Wyatt in 1987. At the time, the Turkish government officially declared a national park around his find, a boat-shaped object stretched across the mountains of Ararat.

Nevertheless, the evangelical ministry remains convinced that the current find is in fact more likely to be the actual artifact, calling upon Dutch Ark researcher Gerrit Aalten to verify its legitimacy.


A team of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers believe that they have found the remains of the Biblical artifact, Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat.


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“The significance of this find is that for the first time in history the discovery of Noah’s Ark is well documented and revealed to the worldwide community,” Aalten said at a press conference announcing the find. Citing the many details that match historical accounts of the Ark, he believes it to be a legitimate archaeological discovery.

“There’s a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah,” said Aalten.

Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

During the press conference, team member Panda Lee described visiting the site. “In October 2008, I climbed the mountain with the Turkish team. At an elevation of more than 4,000 meters, I saw a structure built with plank-like timber. Each plank was about 8 inches wide. I could see tenons, proof of ancient construction predating the use of metal nails."

We walked about 100 meters to another site. I could see broken wood fragments embedded in a glacier, and some 20 meters long. I surveyed the landscape and found that the wooden structure was permanently covered by ice and volcanic rocks."

Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.

The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was. He then told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.

After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain. Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants ran aground.

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Then you missed an interesting article. I can't wait to see what the archaelogical dig will uncover.


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The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old ...




Wait, so radiometric dating isn't so flawed that it can be used for proof of a bible story? Anytime it's used to disprove the idea of a 10,000 year old earth it has too many supposed weakness.


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Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.


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I have to laugh more at this than anything. Everyone go ahead and think this random boat they found that's dated around the time of Noah has to be THE one when there haven't been throughout the course of history, oh, thousands like it or anything of the nature. It's so speculative on that front that it's hilarious. Can we rid ourselves of the superstitious reaches like this?

I don't know if you were insinuating for it to be at all, but this is not proof of a bible story.


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I have to laugh more at this than anything. Everyone go ahead and think this random boat they found that's dated around the time of Noah has to be THE one when there haven't been throughout the course of history, oh, thousands like it or anything of the nature. It's so speculative on that front that it's hilarious. Can we rid ourselves of the superstitious reaches like this?

I don't know if you were insinuating for it to be at all, but this is not proof of a bible story.




Yeah, you just have to laugh. There are 5000 yr old boats just like that one all over that mountain at 12000 ft. of elevation. The bazillion expeditions just haven't found them yet, and the Turkish authorities are morons for making it a protected area.

No one will be able to prove it's Noah's ark, but to make a ridiculous statement like yours just to dismiss the Bible is as bad or worse than being superstitious. If it pans out, it's a unique and valuable find, nothing more....nothing less.

(Unless Noah chiseled his name in it somewhere. Then you'd probably say there were thousands of people at that time named Noah who built boats with animal stalls on top of Mt. Ararat. )


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Same here.

Why?

I'll give an example. Say, I wanted to find the "Fountain of Youth". I go to Louisiana, I go to Florida. Then, there, I find the "Fountain of Youth" which is just a plain. I have no proof other than that fact that water once covered the area I found and at one time a natural spring was there. Does that mean I have found the legendary "Fountain of Youth".

Would anybody take me seriously? No, why? Because it is awfully ironic that I set out to find a "specific" lost item. Sure enough, I dig, and lo and behold there is what I claimed I would find.

It's like the Blind leading the Blind.

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how else would a boat get that hight up?

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Aliens who built the paramids put it up thier, ....Aliens were doing a fly over bye the Arc and the caption didnt appriciate it so he flipped them off and they got upset and picked his arc up and set it smack dab in the middle of a mountain....oh wait ....I've said to much....

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That was pretty funny.

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Clay, dood, readjust that tinfoil hat that came loose. The aliens don't like it when noise slips out your keyboard. Other claims of this over the year, finding the Ark of Noah, which is kewl, I like archaeology, but this is perhaps a reach (once again!); I can only conclude that Noah was an overachiever who left no less than a superfleet on the mentioned mount and was somehow also responsible for building the bottom half of the Sphinx. Because if you really, really, really want it to be true, then it will become scientifically so, at least to some degree, and at least for awhile. Still, kewl read.


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Then you missed an interesting article. I can't wait to see what the archaelogical dig will uncover.




See, I'm not ready to call anything Noah's arc. But any time you have an intact structure from 10,000 years ago, it's interesting stuff.

I love science the same way as I love history. I don't necessarily believe the bible's stories of creation, but I am definitely interested in what they will find.


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I don't know if you were insinuating for it to be at all, but this is not proof of a bible story.




No, of course it isn't. They need an impartial, archaeological team to head this up and make a determination whether this is even a boat or not and if the radiometric dating is correct.


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Whether it's the Ark or not I think finding something that old is very interesting. Now if it is an Ark the next question is "how the hell did it get up there?"

To me it's funny that so many believe in the bible and religion but are also very quick to write off something like this.

If I were to bet on it I would say no that it isn't an Ark but more likely somekind of shelter that was built there long ago. That said my faith would love for some real fact finding to discover that this is indeed an Ark.

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Same here.

Why?

I'll give an example. Say, I wanted to find the "Fountain of Youth". I go to Louisiana, I go to Florida. Then, there, I find the "Fountain of Youth" which is just a plain. I have no proof other than that fact that water once covered the area I found and at one time a natural spring was there. Does that mean I have found the legendary "Fountain of Youth".

Would anybody take me seriously? No, why? Because it is awfully ironic that I set out to find a "specific" lost item. Sure enough, I dig, and lo and behold there is what I claimed I would find.

It's like the Blind leading the Blind.




Well then you don't understand the back story. This Ark was actually found in and expedition in the early 1900's when there was an extreame warming period. But because of the technology of the time, the remote location and the protected land it was hard to find it again. There have been a few expeditions later that could not find it because the warming period ended and the snow fall again covered the mountains.

I watched a documentry on the History channel 5-6 years ago and another guy was trying to find it again. He had gotten permission to do some arial photos and there was a peticular area that was of intrest because again there was extreme thaw and there was some peculiar formations in the snow that looked like sections of a boat and a housing structure.

At the time the Turkish government refuse to let them go up there because it was Military land.

It has just taken this long for the Turkish governement to finally give people permission to go up there. So unless you have almost 80years of archeologist research and expeditions helping you point to where the fountain of youth is at and there is a very good reason for the difficulty of previous researchers getting to this location then yes people would laugh at you.


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Re-reading my post I didn't mean to come off that this is actually the real Ark, just that people believe this could be the ark and it wasn't like these people woke up one day and said they were going to go out and find it.


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In ANY case, this is an historically significant find, real Ark or not.

Or,....it's one of these bogus crop circles (doubtful).

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It very well could be the "real arc". I don't think you have to believe in the story the way the Bible portrays it. I cannot see anyway that a guy was able to build something large enough to house two of every creature (let alone round them up) and the supplies needed. I also don't think there is any proof that the entire world was completely flooded.

I do believe that it was possible that a man foresaw a coming flood and built a very large boat where he loaded up animals and his family. I can't explain how it is possible for it to end up as high as it did.Maybe one of our resident experts might have a hypothesis?


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I think the story of Noah is more about trusting and placing faith in God then whether or not he systematically and methodically found a male and female of every species.

He had his hands full building the ark . . . and presumably with no local building codes to circumvent, no permits needing purchased, no licenses, no citations for harboring wild animals aside . . . there have been shows on, I think Discovery or History, where they found evidence of a massive flood that would coincide with the time of Noah.

Either way it is an awesome story. Noah and the find on Ararat. Which I have heard of before, by the way. Supposedly there is satellite or aerial photographs of it years ago that led people to suppose . . .

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I do believe that it was possible that a man foresaw a coming flood and built a very large boat where he loaded up animals and his family. I can't explain how it is possible for it to end up as high as it did.Maybe one of our resident experts might have a hypothesis?




May be some nut job named Noah, who lived in the mountains, thought he heard god telling him to build a gigantic arc, but the animals never showed up and the flood never came. But the arc remained.

They certainly had nut jobs back then, the same way we have loonies now.


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As long as they don't open that thing up in front of a bunch of nazi solders ... everyone just keep your eyes closed!!

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Why does it not surprise me that this comes from Fox News?


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There's a valid thought. Actually taking it into context as opposed to hoping for this grandiose, metaphysical truth.


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I can assure you that there is absolutely no evidence that points to a single massive, world-wide, flood since animals set foot (or fin) on land (~ 400 million years) let alone in the past 10,000 years. If there was, it would be much more definitive evidence for biblical literalism than the finding of Noah's ark.

Also, along the whole "crazy/loony" thought, I wouldn't be surprised if something was built, then carried up either. Human's get some strange ideas sometimes that seem good at the time, but in hindsight make no sense.


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So...the people who found the "boat" made this whole story up and Fox News said...what? Fox News did not claim that this structure was - in fact - Noah's Ark. Oh my...the conservative slant in this story is burning my eyes out.

If Fox News told you today was Wednesday, you probably wouldn't believe that either.

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Others have it too :P

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Ok, let me explain this better.

This is not the Ark. To borrow from another "Biblical Story". If an evangelical preacher/psuedo-archaelogist wanted to find Jonah's Whale. He goes off and starts looking for some petrified whale bones. After a short time, he finds some whale bones that are say, 6,000 years old.

Does that mean that he has found Jonah's Whale? No, it means he found some whale bones. These archaelogists go up a mountain and find petrified wood. Big whoop-tee-doo. Petrified wood - so what? Go up into some of the barren mountains here in Colorado and you'll find the same thing - petrified wood high up in the mountains. Well, how did it get there? It must be a boat - right? No, it could just be petrified wood from a forest. It could be petrified wood from some primitive structure that once sat there.

This so called "find" is in Turkey. Ancient Anatolia. Civilizations have existed there for quite some time.Just because somebody found wood - there is no reason to proclaim it is something biblical.

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i could've sworn i've read plenty of articles and seen other documentaries of other people already claiming to have found the ark. it's like one of these stories comes out every couple of years.

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It's like a quest for the Holy Grail.


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That's where you go wrong my friend. In my opinion, multiple sections of the Bible are not meant to be looked at literally.

The beauty of the Bible, in my opinion, is that it's message is found in the way that each person interprets it.

I've told you before, you're a smart guy, you know how to do your homework. Find a passage of the Bible that you feel makes no literal sense. - Then try to interpret it differently. Post it here please.

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Does that mean that he has found Jonah's Whale? No, it means he found some whale bones. These archaelogists go up a mountain and find petrified wood. Big whoop-tee-doo. Petrified wood - so what? Go up into some of the barren mountains here in Colorado and you'll find the same thing - petrified wood high up in the mountains. Well, how did it get there? It must be a boat - right? No, it could just be petrified wood from a forest. It could be petrified wood from some primitive structure that once sat there.




Did you see the picture that went with the article? I can't get the url itself to link it, but go to the article. This isn't some splinter of wood that they dated to 6000 years ... it appears to be a fairly large structure, made of large wood beams, sitting on the side of a pretty large mountain. A mountain that happens to be noted as the final resting place of the ark. This isn't some arbitrary location, where a guy just happened to find a peice of old wood.

Now, it STILL isn't necessarily an ark, but it will be interesting if they do any more excavation to find out what it is. It's possible the photos are a hoax, and they just happened to bring back some 6000 year old wood from another area. It's possible some guy just built a partial large ark on the side of a mountain years and years ago and it just eventually rotted. It's possible that the wooden structure found just happens to be a large building, that was put up on the middle of a remote, secluded mountain ... in eel infested waters.

It's still interesting. There may be more to the story, but this is a lot bigger find then some guy finding scraps of metal and claiming he found the holy grail.

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The arc wouldn't look like some deep v bottomed ship. It was basically a big rectangular scow. Most likely looked like a long 2x4 by the biblical dimensions.

We've found whale bones in the desert on mountains, layers of soil laid down fairly quickly and canyons cut throughout the world. A worldwide flood is a possible explaination.

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Interesting - yes.

Prove a fable from a book written by mortals - not quite.



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Wow this is so totally wrong.

The location says it's CLEARLY Gilgamesh's boat.

Pfft. Archaeologists.

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Interesting - yes.

Prove a fable from a book written by mortals - not quite.






In working so hard to disprove what folks believe you become exactly what you hate...a zealot, just coming from the opposite direction.

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check out the pics on the bottom their site... woah!

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In working so hard to disprove what folks believe you become exactly what you hate...a zealot, just coming from the opposite direction.




Some people just feel a need to crack on something that others hold so near and dear. I don't know if it's out of ignorance or if it's a genuine hatred.


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This type of attitude amazes me. The science of archeology was started by evangelicals looking for biblical proof. Following the clues in a mythological story led Heinrich Schliemann to the discovery of Troy, which was believed to be nothing more than a parable.

I am not a religious person. I've had plenty of arguments with religious people on this board about their single mindedness about their religion. Just about every group of people across the world have stories about a great flood. If following biblical or other clues leads someone to the actual ark, that would be a fascinating find. If they somehow confirm this discovery will that really change me? No.

Does finding Noah's ark prove god's existance? No. A great many christians will find it does validate their beliefs. Personally, I'd be more inclinded than ever to believe the Jews are right.

Finding a structure like this (no one has proven it's a boat yet) that high up in the mountains could reveal a great many things about our planet. It's quite possible that it's a forgotten monistary or similar structrure built during a much warmer time on our planet. I would like to see them dig this structure out so I can learn something new.


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