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VENICE, La. — Professor Peter Lutz is listed in BP's 2009 response plan for a Gulf of Mexico oil spill as a national wildlife expert. He died in 2005.
Under the heading "sensitive biological resources," the plan lists marine mammals including walruses, sea otters, sea lions and seals. None lives anywhere near the Gulf.
The names and phone numbers of several Texas A&M University marine life specialists are wrong. So are the numbers for marine mammal stranding network offices in Louisiana and Florida, which are no longer in service.
BP PLC's 582-page regional spill plan for the Gulf, and its 52-page, site-specific plan for the Deepwater Horizon rig are riddled with omissions and glaring errors, according to an Associated Press analysis that details how BP officials have pretty much been making it up as they go along. The lengthy plans approved by the federal government last year before BP drilled its ill-fated well vastly understate the dangers posed by an uncontrolled leak and vastly overstate the company's preparedness to deal with one.
"BP Exploration and Production Inc. has the capability to respond, to the maximum extent practicable, to a worst case discharge, or a substantial threat of such a discharge, resulting from the activities proposed in our Exploration Plan," the oil giant stated in its Deepwater Horizon plan.
In the spill scenarios detailed in the documents, fish, marine mammals and birds escape serious harm; beaches remain pristine; water quality is only a temporary problem. And those are the projections for a leak about 10 times worse than what has been calculated for the ongoing disaster.
Billy Nungesser, president of Plaquemines Parish, La., says there are "3,000 acres (of wetlands) where life as we know it is dead, and we continue to lose precious marshland every day."
There are other wildly false assumptions. BP's proposed method to calculate spill volume based on the darkness of the oil sheen is way off. The internationally accepted formula would produce estimates 100 times higher.
The Gulf's loop current, which is projected to help eventually send oil hundreds of miles around Florida's southern tip and up the Atlantic coast, isn't mentioned in either plan.
The website listed for Marine Spill Response Corp. — one of two firms that BP relies on for equipment to clean a spill — links to a defunct Japanese-language page.
In early May, at least 80 Louisiana state prisoners were trained to clean birds by listening to a presentation and watching a video. It was a work force never envisioned in the plans, which contain no detailed references to how birds will be cleansed of oil.
And while BP officials and the federal government have insisted that they have attacked the problem as if it were a much larger spill, that isn't apparent from the constantly evolving nature of the response.
This week, after BP reported the seemingly good news that a containment cap installed on the wellhead was funneling some of the gushing crude to a tanker on the surface, BP introduced a whole new new set of plans mostly aimed at capturing more oil.
The latest incarnation calls for building a larger cap, using a special incinerator to burn off some of the recaptured oil and bringing in a floating platform to process the oil being sucked away from the gushing well.
In other words, the on-the-fly planning continues.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20100609/US.Gulf.Oil.Spill.Sketchy.Plans/
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I wondered how long it would take ...... I have started getting spam mail for "help" filing lawsuits for damages caused by the oil spill.  I guess that living within 500 miles of the gulf coact isn't necessary ...... 
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Why the cap doesn't actually mean anything: http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/04/news/companies/bp_legal.fortune/index.htmQuote:
Is BP really protected by a $75 million cap on damages?
Probably not. In the wake of the Exxon Valdez oil spill of 1989, Congress passed the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, known as OPA (pronounced like 'Oprah' without the 'r'). For leaks from offshore oil rigs like this one, OPA limits the liability of the responsible party -- BP in this instance -- to $75 million in economic damages, but there are several mammoth exceptions. To begin with, the limitation does not apply to any of BP's liability for state and federal cleanup costs, for which BP (BP) is 100% responsible. As of early June, these costs had already come to about $990 million, according to BP, and the company seems to be just getting started. (BP has also committed to spending another $360 million to fund the building of barrier islands off the coast of Louisiana.)
But the key, ginormous loophole in the $75 million OPA limit is that BP isn't allowed to take advantage of it if the company -- or any of its contractors, Kende stresses -- acted with gross negligence or violated any federal safety law or regulation. In other words, if either BP or rig-owner Transocean Ltd. (RIG), or cement contractor Halliburton Energy Services (HAL, Fortune 500), or the blowout preventer manufacturer Cameron International (CAM, Fortune 500) violated some safety rule -- the limit vanishes. (If a subcontractor is the one responsible, BP might then be able to go after that company for contribution or indemnification.)
"I think there are enough regulations in this area," says Kende, "that something was probably done wrong" by someone, though he acknowledges that that's speculation on his part.
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And it won't matter one bit. To paraphrase the lawyer that represented Alaskans in the Valdez spill: "BP is going to defend this like Exxon... large oil companies have a different time-line than regular people.... the people along that coastline are (screwed)". http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100609/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2499
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I don't need tax cuts. What I need is to quit having my taxes raised, both the obvious and the hidden taxes. And I'd like to see any administration, regardless of party, cut spending.
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I really don't know where the hell you get off just thinking that it's OK to take peoples' money anyway. Whether they make $200 or $200,000, it's their money. Just deciding that you want it, so you're going to take it is stealing ... no matter whether or not it's supposedly "right".
REPUBLICANS ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT CUTTING THIS NATIONS DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is so obvious when we hear you RWers scream and cry over the fact that the Bush tax cut will be ending on Dec. 31, 2010.
GW and your GOP agreed to a beginning date of the tax cuts, right?
GW and your GOP did not make "our tax cut" PERMANENT...did they?
NO ONE IS GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES...
The TEMPORARY Bush tax cut is EXPIRING on Dec 31, 2010.
The date of expiration, that GW and your GOP agreed to, when they wrote the tax cut bill is Dec 31, 2010.
YOU RWERS AGREED TO THE BUSH TAX CUT'S EXPIRATION DATE, TOO!
If you voted for any Republican candidate who agreed to, or voted "YES" on the expiration date of the Bush tax cuts...YOU AGREED TO THAT DATE, too!
If you want to blame anyone for the Bush tax cuts expiring on Dec. 31, 2010...blame yourself for voting for the Republicans who purposely made the Bush tax cuts TEMPORARY.
Don't blame the Dems...don't blame me...blame your GOP.
Back to my first comment...it so obvious that RWers are not serious about the nations debt when you cry and stomp your feet like little kids because your tax cut is set to expire.
All of you RWers loved it when, knowing this nation was headed to war and already in war
It was "immoral", "stupid", "irresponsible", for Bush and the GOP to cuts taxes DURING A TIME OF WAR...but RWers didn't care.
Taxes have never been cut DURING A TIME OF WAR...but RWers didn't care.
Matter of fact...in American History, DURING A TIME OF WAR...Americans have "shared in the sacrifices" of war by paying higher taxes, with one exception (1846-48).
But Bush and the GOP not only bucked American History, by not asking for any sacrifices from the American people, during a time of war, they doubled down, doing something that had never been done in American History...BUSH CUT TAXES DURING A TIME OF WAR!...and RWers loved it!
Our troops have sacrificed in the Iraq and Afghan Wars ...but not the American people.
Bush and the GOP went further though...they borrowed the money to pay for their Wars from China...and RWers loved it.
Then one last insult to the American people...Bush's feel good budgets that did not include the cost of the wars....and RWers didn't care.
But now that RWers have their TEMPORARY BUSH TAX CUT, they not only don't want to share in the sacrifices of War, they are going to cry like babies, OBAMA IS RAISING MY TAXES.
Bush did not ask the American people to share in the sacrifices of war, as had been done in every war our country has fought...but that sacrifice must be made by the American people at some point in time.
While some of you RWers may think, you should never have to sacrifice for the Wars this country starts, then you are simply passing that sacrifice on to your kids and grand kids.
If you are making $200K and can't live without your TEMPORARY BUSH TAX CUT...then you deserve to go under.
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I agree, which is why many of us here are mad at DC in general regardless of party affiliation.
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There you are.
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WTF are you talking about?
No one is saying anything about expiring tax cuts, and blah blah blah.
And you put in caps "NO IS GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES", well that's great. But I was referring to the constant penny here penny there attitude of the government, at local, state and federal levels. They nickel and dime us to death. And while my income tax rate may not change, they constantly find ways to tax people to pay for their programs.
What I would like is for an administration, and I don't care if it's Dems or Reps or purple monkeys to cut spending, cut waste, cut pork, learn to budget (not just write a budget that looks good on paper but is never adhered to), and for once be fiscally responsible and get this country out of this huge hole of debt we are in.
To quit handing money out to every Tom, Dick or Harry that cries they need help, and to do what they are supposed to do which is to protect the interests of this country, not to spread their brand of democracy around the world at the cost of the US taxpayer.
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mac ...... Let me say this ..... your argument is CRAP. (like usual) Quote:
REPUBLICANS ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT CUTTING THIS NATIONS DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolute crap. Cut spending and we'll cut the debt. Sharp, deep, and Draconian cuts that chop this bloated mess of a federal budget in half. Make people who are able bodied have to stand on their own 2 feet ..... and those who cannot find jobs can work for their local government doing work in the community on an every day basis until they can find a job. Earning welfare and unempliyment benefits would be much more productive for the nation as a whole than merely extending them indefinitely forever and getting nothing in return.
Just because I don'ty believe that anyone should have half of their income confisgated by the
government doesn't mean that we don't want to see the debt cut. Make cuts in the biggest parts of the federal budget first. That's the only way we'll get the beast under control.
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"My" GOP does not exist. I am an independent, and far, far to the right of today's GOP. Today's GOP is damn near indistinguishable from today's Democrats. They are twisted mirror images of one another.
Now ..... if tax cuts expire, what is the net result? Taxes go up. Now, the President promised that no one making under $200,000 would see a tax increase. (a massive lie already) So ..... if I am not going to see a tax increase when the Bush tax cuts end, then what the hell shall we call it?
I know! We'll call it Bob instead. There are no tax increases ... that's just Bob. He's going to take more of your money .... but he's not a tax ... he's just Bob. Maybe they can make him into a cartoon character .. like Homer Simpson or something.
Now mac ... youy want everyone else to sacrifice .... so let's talk about your sacrifices .....
Have you received any of the tax credits irresponsibly given out that reduce tax payment to zero for almost half of our taxpayers? Just how much did you earn last year mac .... and how much did you pay in Federal Income taxes? It's really easy to take other peoples' money when you are paying nothing yourself ..... so what did you pay mac? Did you pay into the support of the countru, state, and city you live in ..... or did you merely take, take, take from those who did?
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If you are making $200K and can't live without your TEMPORARY BUSH TAX CUT...then you deserve to go under.
This last line shows your complete ignorance. I make nowhere near that amount. Wanna bet that my taxes still go up?
Do you know and understand hos the Bush tax cuts worked? Did you know that every taxpayer got a tax reduction? Every one. The lowest tier of taxpayer got a 33% tax cut! The next tier for a 25% tax cut. The system then worked its way upward.
Those at the top got "more" in pure dollar form because they paid more in! If I paid $100,000 in federal taxes, and got a 2% reduction ..... then I "got" $2000 (of my own money) .... but I still only got 2% of what I paid in comparison to someone else who got 1/3 of what they paid back.
WE seem to have reached a point where we think that it is perfectly reasonable for a country that it teetering on the verge of fiscal collapse to not only support about half of our citizen on the backs of the other half ...... but in fact to reward the half that does not pay into the support of our shared country by giving them "refunds" of taxes they never paid in the first place! This is absolute lunacy! Yeah .... I know .... "My" GOP expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit program ..... so I suppose that I have no right to oppose that one either. (even though I vehemently oppose this program)
In the end mac .... you are a joke. You do not argue a point .... you cut and paste ... or fall back on a very few tried and true tactics that YOUR LIBERAL DEMOCRARTS have perfected. "Bush did this or that!" Well .... news flash for ya mac .... the Democraps took back the Congress in 2006. Your big man in the White House won back in 2008. They can only blame Bush for so long. Sooner or later they have to stand on their own merit. I can't really blame them for not wanting to do so .... because if I had to stand on their record, I'd hide from it too.
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I agree Ytown...great post.
There is no debating with mac, he is set in his "Soft Socialist" ideology.
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oh before I go, a few more questions Mac....i know its pointless but. 1.Do you agree with the Following Obama Statements? Quote:
In a Sept. 6, 2001, interview with Chicago Public Radio station WBEZ-FM,
Mr. Obama noted that the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren: "never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society
Empathy, not justice, ought to be the mission of the federal courts, and the redistribution of wealth should be their mantra.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122515067227674187.html
2. Is Obama Not talking about taking money from people who earned it and giving it away to others (who most likely have not)?
3. Do you agree with Obama's Statements quoted above?
please Answer these questions....don't dodge it, for once man up and answer the questions...this will give people a look into what your platform really is
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First, Ytown - great post!!!!!!!
Secondly, Knight - it's useless with him.
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Mac - do you have any clue what rising tax rates will do to this economy? Any clue at all??????
No, you don't. I'll answer for you, since you never answer a question.
Get ready for some damn nasty times though. Unemployment will without a doubt, go up.
Sorry man - 48% of the people in the u.s. pay no income tax. that means that yes, they have money taken out every pay period, but at the end of the year, they get it all back. And many - if not MOST of them, get back much more than they paid.
Simple math tells you that means 52% of the u.s. is carrying the country. (and "carrying" is a misnomer simply because of the spending we do - we could tax everyone at 80% and not pay the bills entirely)
You want to raise taxes? That's stupid.
Oh, you seem to think Bush and the republicans and "right wingers" agreed to the end date. Wake up bud - it's the only way they could get tax cuts passed - because of?????????
So, when the alternative to tax cuts with an expiration date was no tax cuts at all - they took the better option of the 2.
You wanna see trouble? Get ready. You wanna see hard times? Get ready. And, be prepared to see the super rich remain that way, while the middle class disappears.
On another note - it constantly amazes me how the u.s. - while able to look at the experiences of other countries - continues down the same path, adding new, unpayable programs - thinking "oh, it won't happen to us."
Look at canada's health care program - broke.
Look at Europe as a whole - broke and dieing.
Heck, simply look at Massachusetts health care program - broke!
Yet here we are, adding spending - strolling along like nothings wrong.
Here's what's wrong - this country is done - they way we used to know it - what's happening now is just delay tactics. Imagine a guy, standing in front of a firing squad -
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And, I want to add this, regarding gov't. spending: This is just an example of the waste.
I was in W. Virginia over Mem. day weekend. 4 wheeling - with a group of locals down there - Webster county.
The first day, we trailered our 4 wheelers about 10 miles, unloaded them and rode. We were along a river - and the first 5 to 6 miles was on a "road". Now, this "road" isn't wide enough in most places for 2 cars to pass - it's stone, and it goes to now where but along the river. The only thing you see out there are campers or busses turned into campers - parked along the river. Weekend retreats for the locals - go out for the weekend to camp and fish.
There WAS a bridge over the river at one point. Nothing wrong with it. But, senator Robert Byrd - being a guy that the whole state of W. Virginia seems to be named after due to his pork projects - somehow, some way, decided this bridge wasn't good enough. It was 2 lane, which is more than the logging trail that takes you to it is - but it wasn't good enough.
So what happens? He comes up with money to build a new bridge there. The locals call it "Byrd's million dollar bridge to no where" - because that is literally where it takes you - no where. The road turns into a trail - not a trail even a jeep can take - a trail that you need 4 wheelers to ride on.
The actual cost was much more than a million bucks by the way.
The locals laugh about it, make fun of it. It IS one of the nicest damn bridges you could imagine - for being in the middle of no where, though.
That, my friend, is gov't. waste. That, my friend, is what I gripe about.
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And I'll bet you big money that that bridge will one day be connected to a road that goes to a business or property own further up by Mr. Byrd or one of his close associates... anyone look into what is up that way?
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And I'll bet you big money that that bridge will one day be connected to a road that goes to a business or property own further up by Mr. Byrd or one of his close associates... anyone look into what is up that way?
Good thought. As of now, it's nothing but $100 trailers by the river, or $50 buses. Dude, I've seen trailers and buses in places that I had trouble getting a 4 wheeler to........
I don't know who owns the land - and the locals don't either - but they damn well know who has the lease - who can be there, etc...where you can ride, where you can't.
But, to your point - I'm sure someone of "importance" has property somewhere up there. But as of now - getting there is next to impossible for "power" people.
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just clicking.... It seems like the rage against is starting.... http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-bp-rage-ms,0,5893229.story
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To share a link from a friend: web page BP buys 'oil spill,' related Internet search terms to manage message Whether it’s a $50 million TV commercial blitz or BP CEO Tony Hayward snapping to a reporter that he wanted “his life back,” the company behind the nation’s worst oil disaster in history can’t seem to get its message right. Now, the latest media misstep, according to media watchdogs and industry experts: the company has been buying up the top Internet search terms such as “oil spill” or “BP” – a move that places its corporate website at the top of search results pages. “At minimum, this is in extremely poor taste in the midst of such a disaster,” says Lisa Graves, executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy. But more important, she says, “it’s highly likely” that the average Internet user doing a search on any of the key terms associated with this spill would mistake the paid link for a genuine source of real information. “Most people assume when you do a search that the things that appear front and center are in some sense the most important,” says Fordham University media maven Paul Levinson. “The average person searching online isn’t aware of the fact that there are ways to manipulate the way things come up in searches,” he adds. The author of “New New Media” says he has never been comfortable with the idea that information placement was for sale on the Internet, adding, “Google ought to rethink its policy.” Currently, anyone from a political candidate to a non-profit or business of any size can pay to “get its message in front of the public,” says Google spokesperson Sandra Heikkinen. The search engine giant “abides by the laws,” in any area in which it does business, she says, adding that the company exercises discretion within those bounds. Pricing ranges from pennies per click – meaning a user who actually goes to an advertised website – to many dollars, depending on the value at the moment. The marketplace sets that amount, points out Patrick Kerley, Senior Digital Strategist at Levick Strategic Communications. He explains that in any given search, placement is determined by “auctions,” conducted at light speed, and the top spot goes to the highest bidder. While Houston-based BP spokesman Max McGahan says the company does not release figures on the cost of such buys, industry experts estimate the oil giant is spending anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000 per day, in what BP's Mr. McGahan calls the company's effort to get information quickly and efficiently to the public. While this amount is tiny in the context of the largest oil spill cleanup ever, the mere fact that the British firm is seen as trying to influence the information flow rather than being completely transparent and actively engaged in a dialogue with the affected individuals, reveals a profound tin ear for the situation, say PR professionals. “This company keeps trying to shift into the mode of, 'let’s move on,’ ” says Michael Priem, CEO of USDM, an online advertising firm. “But we are so far from being anywhere close to that.” He says BP needs to stop the kinds of moves that suggest manipulation and self-seeking at a time of so much suffering. “They need to understand that this is not even an era of simple communication any more – it is a conversation.” So far, BP has failed on both fronts, says Richard Laermer, author of “Punk Marketing,” a book about the changing relationships of companies and consumers. “BP’s links are some of the worst – they don’t explain or help the situation at all,” he says, adding that the practice of paying to direct information on the Internet is only growing and getting harder to detect. “Five years ago,” he says, the paid links were easy to spot, but now “I trust very little in these searches.” Now, some 70 percent of search results are compromised in some way, he says. “These days, he adds, “I almost always ask, ‘who paid for that?' ” [Editor's note: The original version has been changed to clarify a quote from a Google representative.]
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Boehner: Government--i.e. Taxpayers--Should Help Pay For Oil Spill
Congressional Democrats and the White House are toying with different ways to force BP to cover the costs of damages from the Gulf oil spill. But they face stiff opposition from industry...and it seems leading Republicans. In response to a question from TPMDC, House Minority Leader John Boehner said he believes taxpayers should help pick up the tab for the clean up.
"I think the people responsible in the oil spill--BP and the federal government--should take full responsibility for what's happening there," Boehner said at his weekly press conference this morning.
Boehner's statement followed comments last Friday by US Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue who said he opposes efforts to stick BP, a member of the Chamber, with the bill. "It is generally not the practice of this country to change the laws after the game," he said. "Everybody is going to contribute to this clean up. We are all going to have to do it. We are going to have to get the money from the government and from the companies and we will figure out a way to do that."
So today I asked Boehner, "Do you agree with Tom Donohue of the Chamber that the government and taxpayers should pitch in to clean up the oil spill?" The shorter answer is yes.
The Chamber is extremely influential in Republican politics, so on that level it's not particularly surprising that Boehner has Donohue's back on this one. But the politics of asking the federal government (i.e. taxpayers) to help cover the multi-billion dollar cleanup and rescue efforts are deadly. Look for Democrats to jump all over this one.
Late update: Boehner spokesman Michael Steel emails to say "Boehner made a general statement about who is responsible for the spill, and the federal government oversight was clearly lacking, but he has said repeatedly that BP is responsible for the cost of the cleanup."
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Republicans love to use the American taxpayer dollars when it comes to handing out corporate welfare.
Just a hunch, but my guess would be that BP is promising some big campaign donations to the GOP in the upcoming elections.
...now the GOP is going to sell out the American taxpayers to clean up BP's mess.
Tell me again, THE GOP IS SERIOUS ABOUT CUTTING GOV. SPENDING????... 
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Ah yes .. more lies from the "most open and honest administration in history ..." Link Experts Say White House 'Misrepresented' Views to Justify Drilling Moratorium Published June 10, 2010 | FOXNews.com The seven experts who advised President Obama on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium -- something they actually oppose. The experts, recommended by the National Academy of Engineering, say Interior Secretary Ken Salazar modified their report last month, after they signed it, to include two paragraphs calling for the moratorium on existing drilling and new permits. Salazar's report to Obama said a panel of seven experts "peer reviewed" his recommendations, which included a six-month moratorium on permits for new wells being drilled using floating rigs and an immediate halt to drilling operations. "None of us actually reviewed the memorandum as it is in the report," oil expert Ken Arnold told Fox News. "What was in the report at the time it was reviewed was quite a bit different in its impact to what there is now. So we wanted to distance ourselves from that recommendation." Salazar apologized to those experts Thursday. "The experts who are involved in crafting the report gave us their recommendation and their input and I very much appreciate those recommendations," he said. "It was not their decision on the moratorium. It was my decision and the president's decision to move forward." In a letter the experts sent to Salazar, they said his primary recommendation "misrepresents" their position and that halting the drilling is actually a bad idea. The oil rig explosion occurred while the well was being shut down – a move that is much more dangerous than continuing ongoing drilling, they said. They also said that because the floating rigs are scarce and in high demand worldwide, they will not simply sit in the Gulf idle for six months. The rigs will go to the North Sea and West Africa, possibly preventing the U.S. from being able to resume drilling for years. They also said the best and most advanced rigs will be the first to go, leaving the U.S. with the older and potentially less safe rights operating in the nation's coastal waters. Fox News' William LaJeunesse contributed to this report.
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Look at Europe as a whole - broke and dieing.
Wait what? What's the exchange between the euro and dollar? I think this statement needs some meat added to it.
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Look at Europe as a whole - broke and dieing.
Wait what? What's the exchange between the euro and dollar? I think this statement needs some meat added to it.
The exchange rate between the euro and the dollar doesn't mean much in the terms I'm speaking of.
Look at greece, england, france, germany, spain, etc.
Notice, I said, in my first post - "europe as a whole".
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Ignore what the current exchange rate is and look at the trend of that exchange rate over the last several months... they're tanking hard. The EU is grasping at straws to bail out Greece and what was it... Iceland? ... already went bankrupt or something like that.
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Actually, there are stipulations that will allow BP to be stuck with the full and complete bill.... there is no need to worry.
And ANY politician suggesting that the taxpayers and the government should foot ANY part of the bill for this - should be summarily shot on the spot.
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This was sent to me by an old friend that lives down in that area. In his own words "I will tell you now, I don't trust everything LaRouche advocates, but I think this was his most lucid moment and it is a fair accounting of what transpired at the congressional hearings last month." web page
BP Criminal Negligence Documented
May 28, 2010 (LPAC) - In testimony provided both in Congress and in separate hearings conducted in Louisianna by the Minerals Management Service (MMS) and U.S. Coast Guard, the criminal negligence of British Petroleum has been fully documented.
In entering into the Gulf project, BP approved spending $96.2 million and about 78 days on the well. The target time was much less about 51 days. By April 20, the well was in its 80th day, owing to delays such as one that had begun on March 8. That day workers discovered that gas was seeping into the well. Workers lowered a measuring device to determine what was happening, but when they tried to pull it back up, it wouldnt budge. Each extra one day cost BP about $1 million in rig lease and contractor fees.
Thus by April 20, the project was over budget and behind schedule. In the course of the project BP made decisions which contributed directly to the eventual blowout.
For instance, BP cut short a procedure involving drilling fluid that is designed to detect gas in the well and remove it before it becomes a problem.
BP also skipped a quality test of the cement around the pipe, another buffer against gas, despite what BP now says were signs of problems with the cement job and despite a warning from cement contractor Halliburton.
Once the gas was rising, the design and procedures BP had selected for the well also contributed to the explosion. There was little keeping the gas from rushing up to the surface after workers, pushing to finish the job, removed a critical safeguard, the heavy drilling fluid known as 'mud.'
Finally, a BP manager overseeing the final well tests apparently had scant experience in deep-water drilling. Some of the decisions were approved by the US Interior Department's Minerals Management Service. But in at least one case, the decision made apparently diverged from a plan MMS approved.
In an April 18 report to BP, Halliburton warned that if BP didn't use more centering devices, the well would likely have a SEVERE gas flow problem. Despite this warning BP decided to install fewer of the devices than Halliburton recommended—six instead of 21.
The design BP chose was unusual. BP ran a single long pipe made up of sections screwed together. Companies often use two pipes, one inside another, sealed together with the smaller one sticking into the oil reservoir. This provides an extra level of protection, but also requires another long, expensive piece of pipe.
Despite the well design and the importance of the cement, daily drilling reports show that BP didn't run a critical, but time-consuming procedure that might have allowed the company to detect and remove gas building up in the well. This procedure is called "bottoms up" and involves circulating the drilling mud through the well, bringing the mud at the bottom all the way up to the drilling rig. This would take six to 12 hours. But mud circulation on this well was done for just 30 minutes on April 19, not nearly long enough to bring mud to the surface.
BP also didn't run tests to check on the last of the cement after it was pumped into the well, despite the importance of cement to this well design and despite Halliburton's warning that the cement might not seal properly. BP told congressional investigators there were signs before the disaster that the cement might have been contaminated and that some cementing equipment didn't work properly.
On April 20 a disagreement broke out on the rig. Workers for the half-dozen contractors held a meeting. They disagreed with a decision by BP's top manager, Donald Vidrine, about how to remove drilling mud and replace it with lighter seawater. They were overruled by the BP manager. A test was done which strayed from the procedure spelled out in BP's permit, approved by the MMS. When the first test results indicated something might be leaking, workers repeated the test, this time following the permitted procedure.
Only the heavy drilling mud and the blowout preventer stood between the rig and an explosive mixture of gas and oil. But the blowout preventer had various problems, among them some leaking hydraulics.
Nonetheless, following BP's instructions, workers turned to replacing the mud with seawater.
BP's plans for the well, approved by the MMS on April 16, called for workers to remove the mud before performing two procedures designed to make sure gas couldn't get into the well. The first called for installing a giant spring to lock the seal at the top of the well in place after removal of the mud. There is no evidence in rig-activity logs the spring was ever installed. Second, BP opted to remove the mud before placing a final cement plug inside the well.
Two BP representatives scheduled to testify in Lousiana on Thursday, today, dropped out. Mr. Vidrine cited an undisclosed medical issue. Another top BP official, the well-site leader, who was scheduled to testify, Robert Kaluza, declined to do so, asserting his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Transocean's assistant marine engineer on the Deepwater Horizon also called in sick.
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Man I hope our prosecuting attorney's are ready. I want some BP executives in jail. A Class action lawsuit has to be in works for the gulf coast region especially when all that negligence is involved. I don't know how you're going to get a jury to not side with fishermen, shrimpers..etc vs one of the largest oil disasters ever. With them paying for cleanup, criminal charges, and a class action lawsuit could BP go Bankrupt? I think so.
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After watching Anderson Cooper tonight, here is some of the stuff he reported that BP is doing
* Not paying fisherman that are helping out in the gulf who they contracted.
* Not allowing cameras to take pictures of wildlife officials taking oil soaked birds out of the gulf. They actually have federal wildlife officers standing guard in one area and national guard officers standing guard at another area. That is bs having our federal officials standing guard for a foreign company.
* Not allowing scientists to take measurements at or near the site to officially try to get a measurement of the oil flow, which was raised again today.
* Even after putting out a memo stating that any and all workers could share their experiences with the media, CNN tried to interview about 30 workers and could not get a interview with one. When they went to a "supervisor" CNN was told that he would not allow any interviews and that was BP's policy. A couple said off camera that they would be fired if they talked.
* CNN talked to widows of a couple of men that were killed on the rig and the women said that BP have never called, sent a card, nothing. They have not tried to contact the widows at all.
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I know since the oil spill BP's stock has dropped over 50%. I honestly think BP is going to declare bankruptcy. Executives are going to jail, sure am happy I never owned BP stock. The only unfortunate thing is good honest people are going to lose their jobs in a tough economy. I'm soooooo happy their British so we won't have to hear about how they're tooo big to fail.
Haha what's funny is on my mustang gas cap it says Ford recommends BP fuel...I wonder if they still do haha
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Thanks for the post, prpl.
Guys, I'm generally a non-political person. I don't give a hang about Dems/Repubs/Lefts/Rights... I only care about what's right for our county's people. In this case, politics be damned... there's a right way to go about this.
BP should be on the financial hook for ALL costs regarding containment, control, remediation and remedy. Done deal. Slam-dunk, lead pipe cinch, and locked (tf) down.
Week after week, we've been treated to an endless trickle of stories that outline a litany of lies, distortions, obfuscations, graft, corner-cutting, and an indefensible position of "the bottom line trumps all."
Any single human being who displayed such a behavioral profile would be listed as a sociopath.... one who knows the egregious nature of his actions, but simply doesn't care. This differentiates him from the 'psychopath,' who lacks the capability to distinguish the difference between right and wrong. Both are bad for society, but in my book, a sociopath is much worse. This time, the sociopath is the International conglomerate known as BP.
The higher-ups at BP knew what corners were being cut... and OK'd them anyway. They examined the risks, determined that they could skate, and pulled the trigger on risky operations that they KNEW could backfire.
Then... the unthinkable happened. All their calculated "manageable risks" came home to roost, like chickens returning to the coop at sunset. Karma's a bitch, BP.... you reap what you sow. And you sowed a bitter crop for yourself this year.
As a political centrist, I'm always infatuated with the behaviors of either side, when they pump out their respective dogmas. Arch-leftists seem to believe that ALL big bidniss is bad, and should be stopped from global domination at all costs. Arch-rightists seem to believe that if we just leave these mega-entities alone, they'll police themselves, and their "free-market sensibilites" will fix potential problems before they become 'issues.'
As has always been, The Truth lies somewhere in the middle.
In this instance, we've seen a "Perfect Storm" of greed, graft, obfuscation, corner-cutting, spin, and hollow weakass 'media damage control' (after the fact) all come home to roost at the feet of a mulitnational bidniss conglomerate.
They were so smug for months/years... as they circumvented American Laws, cut corners, and did what they pleased in the interest of The Bottom Line... and now that the sh*tass Karma they spent years building up is coming home to land squarely upon their doorstep, their Media Face wants to appeal to us on a "human level," saying: "I want to get my life back?"
To him I say:
This IS your life, dude. Deal with it. YOU took the job and the big money that came with your choice. The company which pays your salary screwed you by taking shortcuts, paying off inspectors, and breaking the rules with every chance they could find. Consider all those years you reaped a paycheck from these fools as "hazard pay"... because now, you're paying for it on the backside. You're the new "face of farce and folly" -on an international scale. The whole world's watching YOU. Hope the money was worth it.
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Bottom line: BP took the risks, played the game, and is now dealing with the aftermath of a series of bad choices. I have no sympathy for them. They double-downed on a bad bet... and now it's time to pay. Do what's right, you assholes. Pay EVERYONE who has a legitimate claim, sell out to anyone who's willing to buy your sorry asses, and chalk up your sorry "end of existence story" to the history books for others to learn from.
Every organic entity has a lifespan... from cradle to grave. BP as a corporation, is an extention of the Human Beings who charted its course... and has probably lived as long as it can.
Pay up, own up, and sell out.
From someone who actually worked at an oil refinery for 5 years of his adult life (and had his company's lifeblood "acquired" by BP ), I say:
"Fix what you've f*cked- and die a fitting death."
I didn't like you when you took over SOHIO, and I don't care about you now.
Just go away. Please.
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Geesh,, I'm all for corporate profits..
But this is just stupidity and greed..
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May 28, 2010 (LPAC) - In testimony provided both in Congress and in separate hearings conducted in Louisianna by the Minerals Management Service (MMS) and U.S. Coast Guard, the criminal negligence of British Petroleum has been fully documented.
prp...I have little doubt that our Congress is fully aware of this story and probably much more detailed info...yet the GOP leader in the House "yesterday" said he wants the US taxpayers to pay for the mess BP has made.
On top of Ohio Rep. Boehner's comment, the Chamber of Commerce, a longtime GOP supporter, believes the American taxpayers should foot the bill for the clean up.
One point I will make, if this country's deficit is such an issue, why are Republican's so willing to hand out US taxpayer dollars to their Big Business buddies and why are Repubs so willing scream like little kids about their tax cut for the rich "expiring" at the end of the this year?
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If that's what he said then I absolutely disagree with him.
BP should pay for cleaning up their mess.
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So today I asked Boehner, "Do you agree with Tom Donohue of the Chamber that the government and taxpayers should pitch in to clean up the oil spill?" The shorter answer is yes.
The short answer is yes? Why not print what he actually said?
Like he may have said "Yes, we should use tax payer money to get this cleaned up now, and send the bill to BP." but we don't know because they decided that quoting him wouldn't fit their agenda.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Did Cheney offer Pawlenty a job to NOT run for political office?
Yes or No
willie...have you read the laws?
...I have posted them for everyone to read, so everyone can understand...but you do have to read them...
...I can assure you, I'm not hiding from you and your question..
...sometimes, I "purposely" ignore some questions, hoping that the individuals will do some homework on their own and answer their own quesitons.
...also, being outnumbered by 100 to 1, being nearly the only Dem on this message board willing to speak out on political issues, I don't have the time to answer everyone's question and do my research for the various subjects I post on. So some of the more trivial posts, I'm forced to ignore due to time limits.
...Back to your question...read 18 US Code - Section 600 web page
................................and read 18 US Code - Section 595 web page
I have made it as easy as I can for you to answer your own question, even providing the links...now lets see if you can answer it.. 
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the mere fact that the British firm is seen as trying to influence the information flow rather than being completely transparent and actively engaged in a dialogue with the affected individuals, reveals a profound tin ear for the situation, say PR professionals.
Wow, the Obama administration should really take up this charge and investigate it because they have been leading the way in being transparent, engaging in dialogue with affected individuals, and not trying to influence the flow of information..
Looks like BP is taking pages right out of Big O's playbook.
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So today I asked Boehner, "Do you agree with Tom Donohue of the Chamber that the government and taxpayers should pitch in to clean up the oil spill?" The shorter answer is yes.
The short answer is yes? Why not print what he actually said?
Like he may have said "Yes, we should use tax payer money to get this cleaned up now, and send the bill to BP." but we don't know because they decided that quoting him wouldn't fit their agenda.
Maybe he also understands that the government was grossly negligent in it's oversight and in its enforcement of its own codes and regulations and shares some blame in this trajedy....
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Ah yes .. more lies from the "most open and honest administration in history ..."
YT...you made me smile, with your above comment, then posting a story from "Fix News"...
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Of course mac has no compunctions whatsoever from posting article from the author of "How to overthrow the government" ........
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...I have posted them for everyone to read, so everyone can understand...but you do have to read them...
...I can assure you, I'm not hiding from you and your question..
...sometimes, I "purposely" ignore some questions, hoping that the individuals will do some homework on their own and answer their own quesitons.
...also, being outnumbered by 100 to 1, being nearly the only Dem on this message board willing to speak out on political issues, I don't have the time to answer everyone's question and do my research for the various subjects I post on. So some of the more trivial posts, I'm forced to ignore due to time limits.
...Back to your question...read 18 US Code - Section 600 web page
................................and read 18 US Code - Section 595 web page
I have made it as easy as I can for you to answer your own question, even providing the links...now lets see if you can answer it..
mac, this is why few people like or respect you in political threads and it has nothing to do with you being liberal or democrat.. we've all read the stupid links, I've read darn near every one you have posted. I still don't see where urging somebody to run or not run is a crime but I believe that promising somebody a position for running or not running IS a crime.. you obviously think differently.. we have a difference of opinion on the interpretation of a code. This is the point where we would all like you to STOP POSTING THE FREAKIN' LINKS and give us YOUR OPINION of why you think this is a crime...
That is why people mock you, that is why people get frustrated with you, that is why people call you out... give an opinion mac.. give an opinion on why you feel a certain way.. take all of your "research" and put it in your own words and tell us why you think what Cheney did was a crime because I don't see it, even having read the links...
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