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Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini doesn't rule out Colt McCoy playing in 2010
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
May 01, 2010, 2:57PM
Browns coach Eric Mangini doesn't rule out Colt McCoy playing in 2010.CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns coach Eric Mangini didn't slam the door shut on rookie quarterback Colt McCoy playing in 2010.
He said he learned from his mentor and former Ravens head coach Ted Marchibroda to "never say never and never say always. I don't know, I mean we'll see. I think what Mike (Holmgren) says is what we're anticipating happening, but you don't know. You don't know.''
Holmgren told WTAM after McCoy was drafted that "he will not play this year. I repeat, he will not play this year.'' Later, in a press conference, he said, "things could change, but I don't expect him to play this year. We did not draft him necessarily to come in and play this year. Now, the final call will be Eric's and practice will determine certain things, but we have three quarterbacks already here that we feel very good about.
"I think as we mentioned last night, the best thing that might be able to happen to him is that he just sits, watches, learns and makes the transition into the pro game.''
But Mangini has always preached that he'll play the best man at every position regardless of how he came into the league or how long he's been there. So it would be against his philosophy to rule someone out before training camp even begins. He's seen too many unlikely success stories in his day to say "never'' to McCoy, who's passion for the game is palpable even at rookie camp.
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I wouldn't take much of what is said by the bosses this early in the year too literally. These guys don't want to be "absolute" about too many things. Football coaches like flexibility.
Heck, I would NEVER want to see my ex-wife again. But if she showed up with a certified check for all the money she stole from me when we were married, I'd buy her a beer. Never say never.
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Answer: The same thing Holmgren said A QB needs to have! 
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this will bring out the chants.. lol.
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But Mangini has always preached that he'll play the best man at every position regardless of how he came into the league or how long he's been there.
And this is the way it should be. If Colt gives us the best chance to win, over Jake and over Seneca, then he should play. That goes for any position. Doing otherwise risks losing the players' trust, and ultimately, the team... especially if we're losing.
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Mary Kay....creating controversy where there is none. Why doesn't she just do the honorable thing and sleep with a player then sell the tape? 
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I don't see how quoting what someone says as "creating contraversy". It seems that most all of the time, people only call it contraversy when it's something they don't want to hear. A whole lot of things would have to fall right into place for that to ever happen. And in some cases the wrong things would have to happen,ie...injuries or VERY poor QB play, possibly a combination of those things, for Colt to play unless it's strictly in mop up duty. Hopefully those things don't happen............ Which is why you "never say never". jmho
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The controversy lies in the fact that Holmgren said he doesn't plan on playing him this year, and almost everyone watching the draft heard him say that. Even a blind man can see that titling an article in this manner after what was actually said does indeed create controversy....given the fact that all the planets have to be aligned for McCoy to even sniff the field.
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"never say never and never say always. I don't know, I mean we'll see. I think what Mike (Holmgren) says is what we're anticipating happening, but you don't know. You don't know.''
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McCoy Not ruled out of playing this year
To me, the title is very appropriate. It's not out of line with the quote. In order to do what you are speaking of, I believe she would of had to of blown it out of proportion, which IMO she did not.
Let me give you a few examples.....................
"McCoy Could Start This Year"
"Will McCoy Be Starting For The Browns?"
"Move Up The Clock For McCoy?"
The title of her article is IMO fairly concise as it pertains to the comment Gini made. Believe me, I've seen titles of articles be very deceptive. In this case, I see it as quite accurate.
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Can't blame her for making news out of nothing. McCoy won't be given any reps with the first team and won't be playing this year but if every QB on their roster goes down he might play. This logic goes back to Dumb and Dumber "so I have a chance!"
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I remember the Browns having multiple seasons where their third string Qbs have played in and started games. Who would have thought Spergon Wynn, Ken Dorsey, Bruce Gradkowski or Luke McCown were going to get starts. If McCoy gets a start by Delhomme and Wallace being injured that would be unfortunate. I personally wouldn't mind seeing Wallace or McCoy get some snaps just to see how they look under center; but thats what preseason is for 
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Not again.. please please please.. not again
why didn't someone put a muzzle on Mary Kay when they had a chance...
Bring on all the guys who say.. "I really would like to see him play... " and lt it all begin to flow downhill...
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Mary Kay....creating controversy where there is none. Why doesn't she just do the honorable thing and sleep with a player then sell the tape?
it would definitly be with a QB
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Does she write any articles about guards or tackles?
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Mary Kay....creating controversy where there is none. Why doesn't she just do the honorable thing and sleep with a player then sell the tape?
it would definitly be with a QB
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Does she write any articles about guards or tackles?
She openly admitted one time she writes QB articles because they generate the most website hits.
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Dumb!! Dumb!! Dumb thing to say Mangini! Come on! I bet MH told him, dude what are you doing?? The 2nd rookie practice and you say this? Why even bring this up? Doesn't he know that most of the modern day Browns fans 2 favorite things are: The Draft (thats their super bowl) & 2nd String QB's! As soon as our first string QB breaks wind wrongly, you are going to hear the chants. All the talk radio shows are going to get about 90% of their calls about our 3rd string possible future QB.  Dumb move, if he played fine.. have him come in on mop up time. When it happened, say hey Im giving the kid a little time in game situations. Boom done. But, Nope, welcome to the 2010 Browns Season, like clock work! Same crap we have seen for 10 years.. building for nothing, throw guys in there & or having stop gaps being heckled for "Great QB Hopes" of the future who arent ready yet.. and then they are shell shocked.
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The 2nd rookie practice and you say this? Why even bring this up? Doesn't he know that most of the modern day Browns fans 2 favorite things are: The Draft (thats their super bowl) & 2nd String QB's!
As soon as our first string QB breaks wind wrongly, you are going to hear the chants. All the talk radio shows are going to get about 90% of their calls about our 3rd string possible future QB.
Wouldn't this have happened no matter WHAT Mangini said? Do you think people aren't going to call for McCoy just because Holmgren said "he's not playing"?
And why the outcry against Mangini for saying "never say never"? I mean, isn't that true? If Delhomme and Wallace both got hurt in the same game, and McCoy is, at that time, our 3rd stringer, should Mangini just put Cribbs or someone else back there just because Holmgren said "he won't play"?
If McCoy comes in and just plain lights it up, and our OL is playing stellar, and McCoy gives us the best chance of winning (however small that chance is), should Mangini not play him just because Holmgren said "he won't play"? I'd be pretty PO'd at both Mangini AND Holmgren at that point.
Why can't this be Holmgren's "fault" for saying something like that? He could have easily said "we're really going to try to give Colt a year to learn. He probably won't play at all."
I think this is much ado about nothing, personally. Holmgren said something that I'm not sure he should have said, and Mangini maybe said something that is against what his boss said. But, in the end, it's so freaking minimal in the grand scheme of things.
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Gini' is the coach... He can say what he wants. He says who plays on Sunday, not Holmgren.
The QB position should be no different.. the best at the position plays.
Gini' knows it will take time for McCoy to come around... Delhomme is the best right now.. and he will start.
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In 2000, Kevin Johnson played QB for the Browns, so yeah, McCoy might see the field this year. President Obama might call for across-the-board tax cuts, George W Bush might win the Nobel Peace Price, and Larry The Cable Guy might win an Oscar. Monkeys might fly outta my butt.
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Dumb!! Dumb!! Dumb thing to say Mangini! Come on! I bet MH told him, dude what are you doing??
The 2nd rookie practice and you say this? Why even bring this up? Doesn't he know that most of the modern day Browns fans 2 favorite things are: The Draft (thats their super bowl) & 2nd String QB's!
As soon as our first string QB breaks wind wrongly, you are going to hear the chants. All the talk radio shows are going to get about 90% of their calls about our 3rd string possible future QB.
Dumb move, if he played fine.. have him come in on mop up time. When it happened, say hey Im giving the kid a little time in game situations. Boom done.
But, Nope, welcome to the 2010 Browns Season, like clock work! Same crap we have seen for 10 years.. building for nothing, throw guys in there & or having stop gaps being heckled for "Great QB Hopes" of the future who arent ready yet.. and then they are shell shocked.
GET A GRIP...
This crap happens because FOOLS LET IT...
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We finally don't have a QB controversy in Cleveland but we obviously can't handle the withdrawal, so lets make up a QB controversy... 
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Dumb!! Dumb!! Dumb thing to say Mangini! Come on! I bet MH told him, dude what are you doing??
See, this is where the problem is.. you look at what Mary Kay writes without taking a moment to do a little research... Try this
This is from Manginis May 1st presser and where Mary Kay got her info.
as you can see,, all he's really saying is "NEVER SAY NEVER"... Can you tell me what's so DUMB DUMB DUMB about that?
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(On seeing a situation where McCoy might have to play this year)- “Ted Marchibroda’s big phrase was ‘never say never and never say always,’ so I don’t know. We’ll see. I think what Mike (Holmgren) says is what we are anticipating happening but you don’t know.”
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...3a-a5c072619a0e
You are rather new here, but I'm getting the jest of your posts.. you don't appear to like Mangini much and that's cool.. he's not everyones cup of tea...
He's kinda bland,, and as with any coach,, he's not going to please everyone.. But in this case, Mary Kay Cabot did the Sensationalism thing and you didn't do some homework..
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I really can't stand Mary Kay as a writer. I wish they would make her cover the Captains or Nascar. She has an infatuation with QB's and was Brady's biggest fan outside of Akron Joe and Diam. Needless to say, she is getting an early start to her yearly BS. What she failed to include in the article is the question Mangini was referring to. She manipulates and loves to make something out of nothing. I actually cancelled the plain Dealer and when they asked why, I told them their Sports Writers are horrible and use to much opinion. I used to like Pluto when he was at the ABJ, but last year he started taking on the form of the rest of the staff.
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You know? This exact "posting style" seems very familiar to me. Almost exactly the type of post word for word I've heard before, but not for a while.
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You already know I hreally don't like the media.... not a big fan of those that do just what Mary Kay did with this story.. Take a glimmer of truth, twist it into something that means something entirely different.....
Speaking of those that loved Quinn.. whatever happened Akron joe., he's not been around since Tebow was Drafted by Denver....
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I'd just as soon see McCoy start from Day One. Just as I would not have been unhappy to see the same with Quinn.
Realize you can't do that,...but in this situation, where you don't have a starter, I don't care -- go for it.
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I'm right with you on that Daman. Last I heard from Akron Joe, he was talking about ham sandwiches and Hillis not making the team and a proclamation that Quinn will start in Denver with their arsenal and be successful. Then Tebow was taken by Denver..lol Essentially putting Quinn on the same plane as Ratliff and a notch below Sorgi. In terms of Deli Comparisons I'm not sure where that puts him..Maybe Liverworst on rye?
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If the kid shows the maturity, skills, leadership and the ability win why not?
It's certainly not my wish to throw another QB to the dogs (pardon the pun) but hey, if everything says go maybe 8 games in or so he takes over.
I personally fall on the let him sit and learn side myself but I'm not a coach.
We just can't afford to miss and ruin another one!!!!
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Yeah, that's my thinking also,,
But what if (and I'm certainly not predicting this) he comes into camp, blows Delhomme and Wallace away.. I mean just blows them completely away..
How do you NOT start him..
Again, I don't foresee that happening....
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It would be OK with me if it did.
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I would really like for someone to give me a logical answer here......................
What is the difference in "never say never" and "not ruling it out"? When you say "never say never" aren't you by the very definition of saying that, not ruling it out?
I just don't see the contraversy here.......................
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I would agree, those two phrases represent the same thing.
Doesn't mean I don't think it WILL happen. We didn't do it with Quinn (-- of course, he held out --), but if it does happen, I would be your happier camper,...
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What is the difference in "never say never" and "not ruling it out"? When you say "never say never" aren't you by the very definition of saying that, not ruling it out?
Generally, there really isn't any difference.. it's the context that makes it odd......Also, emphasis is key here..
If you read the entire interview, that subject was just a little part of it.. towards the end of the article to boot. There were much more important topics discussed but Mary Kay pretty much ignored them and made the headline what it is....
So, it's not so much the words,,, they are similar.. or even the same. It's how the entire interview was portrayed...
Knowing that, that's why I wasn't all up in arms and going crazy.... I didn't call it Dumb Dumb Dumb and look at as if Mangini was throwing Holmgren under a bus or anything....
I just posted the story for discusson...
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I'd say to some extent everyone in the media accentuates the part of an article that will make readeers interested in reading the article. But as with you, I don't feel she went overboard in doing so.
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I think the PD writers take too much heat here for doing their j-o-b's. It should go without saying that if disaster strikes, and 2 or 3 QB's go down, then of course McCoy will play. Coaches and GM's should be regarded the same as politicians - don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.
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this will bring out the chants.. lol.
I sure hope not... I get so mad at fans when they start chanting idiotic things like that... thankfully, it's not just the Browns fans... Texans fans were chanting for Sage two years ago... of course after he single-handedly lost the Colts game they stopped chanting as much.
In terms of the article... I can understand Eric's stance, but in the back of his mind he's thinking "this kid isn't getting on the field this year". Or at least that's what he SHOULD be thinking. Unless Jake hasn't gotten out of his slump and then Seneca gets hurt AND Colt is just way farther than I think he is, I don't see him getting on the field this year expect maybe in some wildcat packages (that Seneca should be running).
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Yeah, no question, thier job requries them to grab the reader in the first couple of lines..
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Dumb!! Dumb!! Dumb thing to say Mangini! Come on! I bet MH told him, dude what are you doing??
Since when is it wrong to be honest?
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The 2nd rookie practice and you say this?
So waiting longer would make you feel better? I doubt it.
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Why even bring this up? Doesn't he know that most of the modern day Browns fans 2 favorite things are: The Draft (thats their super bowl) & 2nd String QB's!
Isn't that what they're here to try and fix?
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As soon as our first string QB breaks wind wrongly, you are going to hear the chants. All the talk radio shows are going to get about 90% of their calls about our 3rd string possible future QB.
Wouldn't that have happened with or without his statement? So since the "modern day fan" as you call it will do that, you want to blame that on a "never say never" statement by Mangini? It's always happened since our return whether anyone in charge says anything or not.
You're reaching pretty hard here. You gotta bone to pick with Gini or something?
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Dumb move, if he played fine.. have him come in on mop up time. When it happened, say hey Im giving the kid a little time in game situations. Boom done.
Or you could say "never say never" and boom done. The fans react by what they see. Simple as that. If JD plays worth a damn, nobody will say anything. If he stinks it up and Wallace comes in and plays okay, nobody will say anything.
This crazy idea you present holds zero merrit.
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I hope everyone reading this are wearing hip waders, cause the crap is getting deep!
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I would really like for someone to give me a logical answer here......................
What is the difference in "never say never" and "not ruling it out"? When you say "never say never" aren't you by the very definition of saying that, not ruling it out?
I just don't see the contraversy here.......................
jmho
There is no controversy...NONE...And these bone's can slam Cabot all they want...She's created NOTHING...Nor has Mangini...
There is no controversy...Some of these guys just literally blow me away...
BTW...Couch got another parking ticket last week and hasn't paid for it yet... 
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